Here the video of that Australian shooting by a Muslim teenager - he walked into a police station, led a police force employee (he was an Asian man who worked in the police finance department - thus he wasn't a combat ready guy) outside and shot him in the head as it seems.

Quote:THE gunman who shot dead a police staffer was a 15-year-old who had visited Parramatta Mosque on his way to commit murder.
The teenager, a naturalised Australian of Iraqi-Kurdish background who arrived with his family from Iran, had walked to the police headquarters in Charles Street from his home in north Parramatta before opening fire on a civilian police employee.
The victim was identified as Curtis Cheng, a 17-year veteran of the police finance department, Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said today.
Mr Cheng — a father-of-two, of a son and a daughter — was shot in point blank range by the teen as he left work yesterday just after 4.30pm.
Speaking at a press conference today, Mr Scipione said the attack was “politically motivated and therefore linked to terrorism”.
Police are today trying to trackdown the teenage killer’s family who may have left the area.
Witnesses have told The Saturday Telegraph that after shooting dead the civilian employee, the teenager ran up and down in front of police headquarters waving his handgun in the air and shouting: “Allah. Allah.”
It was then that two special constables on security duty ran from the police building and shot the gunman dead.

The funny part is that the prime minister instantly warned about not blaming Islam itself - also interesting are the comments of the TV crew - wondering how his radicalization "happened".

What do you mean by happened? Sharia and violent Jihad is a central part of the Quran and the faith. There is no radicalization - it's a simple adherence to the initial dogma of the religion. The ones who deviated from it were saints like Rumi or Kahlil Gibran, but those guys clearly ignored most guidelines that the warlord Mohammed set out for them to do. (Also I might add that Shams-I-Tabriz the teacher of Rumi was killed by "radicals" who condemned his perception of the faith - so this dichotomy within Islam is nothing new.)

Now every Western country can be enriched like that.

I gotta say, there's a distinct /pol/ presence here. I'm pleased with this. However, if this place actually becomes /pol/, I think we would all lose.

This discussion must be had. Users should be informed about what /pol/ is and what it does. Samseu, for example can explain /pol/ better than me. Then they (and ultimately, Roosh) should decide whether or not this /pol/ leak should be limited.

(10-09-2015 12:53 PM)Yagibozan Wrote:  I gotta say, there's a distinct /pol/ presence here. I'm pleased with this. However, if this place actually becomes /pol/, I think we would all lose.

This discussion must be had. Users should be informed about what /pol/ is and what it does. Samseu, for example can explain /pol/ better than me. Then they (and ultimately, Roosh) should decide whether or not this /pol/ leak should be limited.

(10-09-2015 12:53 PM)Yagibozan Wrote:  I gotta say, there's a distinct /pol/ presence here. I'm pleased with this. However, if this place actually becomes /pol/, I think we would all lose.

This discussion must be had. Users should be informed about what /pol/ is and what it does. Samseu, for example can explain /pol/ better than me. Then they (and ultimately, Roosh) should decide whether or not this /pol/ leak should be limited.

Buddy - there is only one real /pol guy here from Poland that I know of who posts sometimes and he lives in the Ukraine now. All other guys who post from /pol are Westerners like me or Roosh who happen to live here.

Currently there are Canadians, Austrians, Americans, Israeli, British men of various races I might add who post under the Polish flag. The only more frequent Polish poster has a Ukrainian flag on it, though he may visit Poland more frequently.

Also what do you mean /pol/ is and does? That's some might sneaky allegations coming guns blazing from post Nr. 1!

(10-09-2015 12:00 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  At the same time, Denmark is getting a fraction of the asylum seekers Sweden gets. They cut the benefits in half and are requiring the asylum seekers and refugees to do something for their money. Finland is now going to adopt the same system: the amount of money they will get will be very, very low and they are required to actively seek integration and assimilation by working (like picking berries or cutting trees in the forest), learning the language and that kind of stuff. So, Finland won't be a paradise where you get lavish amounts of money for nothing.

Also, Finland is in the process of tightening the criteria of asylum for people from Iraq and Somalia. Iraqis are the biggest group of asylum seekers, about 90%. There was a poll and almost 90% want them to tighten the criteria significantly. It's starting to look better right now, the only problem I see are the asylum seekers going crazy when they get rejected and the authorities try to deport them.

This is positive news. This gives me hope that at least some European countries can be saved from being overwhelmed by invaders.
Let's hope that other countries in Europe follow suit.
In Ireland, we are saved somewhat by our position on the edge of Europe and the buffer of the UK, which is more attractive to spongers with it's benefits, free healthcare and significant amount of Middle Eastern and African populations already living there.
So far, there are 4,000 coming(officially anyway, real number is probably higher).
With family re-unification, that number will probably rise to 30,000, but I would not be surprised to see actual numbers hit 50,000 or beyond.
These might be low IQ people (relative to Europeans) but they know how to play the system, many "family members" will emerge from the woodwork, with their newly acquired fake passports.
Europe's compassion is it's downfall, we have way too many r-selected types now, after decades of (relative) peace, and sadly our countries and our native populations are setting course for the cleansing of their own ethnicities in coming decades.

I think we should let all the refugees into Europe.

I have seen this video - and maybe I am being dumb - but it seems clear that Europe can easily absorb the numbers involved.

[quote='Gamma' pid='1127647' dateline='1444414364']
I think we should let all the refugees into Europe.

I have seen this video - and maybe I am being dumb - but it seems clear that Europe can easily absorb the numbers involved.


I hope this is a joke

Not a joke.

Just curious what your main criticisms of the video are?

I know it seems a bit soft and SWPL. But I am just curious as to what concrete points you disagree with?

(10-09-2015 01:12 PM)Gamma Wrote:  I think we should let all the refugees into Europe.

I have seen this video - and maybe I am being dumb - but it seems clear that Europe can easily absorb the numbers involved.

Gamma, unless this is some sarcasm I'm failing to pick up, your brain is broken. "Can" is irrelevant. I "can" cut off one of my legs and survive too, doesn't mean that's to my advantage.

These are not immigrants.

These are refugees.

There is a humanitarian disaster going on. And if Europe cannot unite to help prevent such a thing, then it will be to our eternal shame.

Relevant and ironic pic dump pic
Top Picture is about a new movie. The headline below says "Migrant crisis becomes boss business"

(10-09-2015 01:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 12:53 PM)Yagibozan Wrote:  I gotta say, there's a distinct /pol/ presence here. I'm pleased with this. However, if this place actually becomes /pol/, I think we would all lose.

This discussion must be had. Users should be informed about what /pol/ is and what it does. Samseu, for example can explain /pol/ better than me. Then they (and ultimately, Roosh) should decide whether or not this /pol/ leak should be limited.

Buddy - there is only one real /pol guy here from Poland that I know of who posts sometimes and he lives in the Ukraine now. All other guys who post from /pol are Westerners like me or Roosh who happen to live here.

Currently there are Canadians, Austrians, Americans, Israeli, British men of various races I might add who post under the Polish flag. The only more frequent Polish poster has a Ukrainian flag on it, though he may visit Poland more frequently.

Also what do you mean /pol/ is and does? That's some might sneaky allegations coming guns blazing from post Nr. 1!

He's not talking about Poland. He's talking about the politically incorrect board from 4chan.

(10-09-2015 01:33 PM)Gamma Wrote:  These are not immigrants.

These are refugees.

There is a humanitarian disaster going on. And if Europe cannot unite to help prevent such a thing, then it will be to our eternal shame.

Whatever, leftist. Preach your sabotage and whack off to the sight of social degeneration elsewhere.

(10-09-2015 01:22 PM)Gamma Wrote:  Not a joke.

Just curious what your main criticisms of the video are?

I know it seems a bit soft and SWPL. But I am just curious as to what concrete points you disagree with?

Go read the thread from the beginning. The propaganda video was addressed somewhere already.

Reasons why this immigration by predominantly hostile Muslim people won't work and is of no added benefit to the bottom 98%:

+ real unemployment over 10% in the EU
+ even the few highly educated workers are not needed - super-geniuses can always come in and those don't cross in a dingy
+ average IQ of coming refugees is around 80 (if you include Central Africans)
+ 80% of Muslims living in the EU are living on welfare
+ youth even in generation 2 or 3 as in the examples of Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Germany are NOT integrating and live in the bottom levels of society
+ depending on the strain of Muslim faith it's either a little bit more violent (Germany) or a lot more violent (Norway, Sweden with 55 no-go zones)
+ according to official estimates most of those 1 million + arriving in Germany will be unemployed for 10 years
+ EU citizens are going to pay for it by social services cuts which will be given to immigrants - even senior citizens - pensions cuts for Swedish people who worked their entire lives in Sweden and higher pensions for newcomers who hate the Swedish people
+ 80% of the coming hordes are men - the ones from Central Africa not even mentioned currently - they are young able-bodied, uneducated, hostile, entitled men with no job prospects
+ rape and real misogyny by those men has caused Sweden to become the rape capitol of Europe - even if you discount for all the fake rape accusations - the media is lying about the real numbers - the same is going on in all other countries
+ this is why 5 million more are problematic to Europeans and this is why Ukrainians or educated Indians may be an economic nuisance as well, but they would not cause nearly as many problems in the long and short run

Images of a a drowning baby who has been dragged by his father for a free dental surgery is just propaganda.

What should Europe do? Simple:

+ Close all borders - enforce it with arms like any normal country
+ force the rich oil states to offer the real refugees (less than 30% of the current masses) some camps
+ stop financing ISIS
+ help Russia and Assad to wipe out the moderate beheaders

If you don't like that, then you should go back to safe trigger-free spaces where everyone will tell you beautiful lies of poor children coming in and that everything will be alright.

Then talk with people or read reports of people who live in the areas with a large migrant population and how they like it.

(10-09-2015 01:33 PM)Gamma Wrote:  These are not immigrants.

These are refugees.

There is a humanitarian disaster going on. And if Europe cannot unite to help prevent such a thing, then it will be to our eternal shame.

Honestly man, I'm glad I veered away from Islam as a teenager but it wasn't because of radicalization or extreme views.

It was the George Carlin view of Allah (God or whatever) that came to mind when I left:





"But.....he loves you"

I did the whole praying all the time as a kid, half assed reading the Quran and arabic, I just stopped going all together and noone could stop me.

Eventually religion became a non issue and I had bigger shit to worry about. Like a career, pussy, having fun.

Honestly, yeah, I do feel a bit of a pang when people hate on it (BUT THEY DO FOR GOOD REASON).

I suppose it's because it's typically perceived that I'm muslim when I'm not.

Just the other day I had my friends gramma ask if I'm going to marry my LTR and if she's going to convert. (The gramma a good christian women with a bit of a temper)

I burst out in laughter and said no, I'm not really muslim, she said "what are you" "i'm just doing my own thing and have bigger things to worry about"

I know at first I defended Ahmed the Clockboy - obviously I admitted I was very wrong about him and the whole story. I took my blinders off and opened my eyes.

I think there are good (assimilated) American ones - the middle eastern ones are just a fucking wreck, the UK and "naturalized" Euro ones are the very scary ones.

Maybe I'm venting of somewhat of an insecurity on my part, even though I'm not apart of any religion.

Maybe it'll give people insight.

Does anyone have a link to the post that takes apart the video I posted?

I am neither left or right wing. I am just trying to understand the situation and see what the best solution is.

If people have a better idea then they should try promoting their views better since the video I linked to is pretty persuasive.

It would be good to see a snappy 5 minute video that laid out an alternative point of view.

In the battle for 'hearts and minds' - the lefties (if you want to call them that) seem to be winning.

I am still not sure if that is a good thing or not. I am open minded on this topic.

(10-09-2015 01:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Honestly man, I'm glad I veered away from Islam as a teenager but it wasn't because of radicalization or extreme views.

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I think there are good (assimilated) American ones - the middle eastern ones are just a fucking wreck, the UK and "naturalized" Euro ones are the very scary ones.

Maybe I'm venting of somewhat of an insecurity on my part, even though I'm not apart of any religion.

Maybe it'll give people insight.

It's an interesting point kaotic.

What would you do when born into the Muslim faith?

Personally I would go 2 different routes similar to what I did in the Christian faith. I was born and raised a Catholic and was even taking it seriously at one time visiting the church every week - sometimes 2 times per week. I read the bible (only New Testament) and compared it with philosophy and other religions since I was 14. Then at age 19 I left the church because I felt that there was a better path for me out there which fit me better. Also my first church tax that I had to pay did not help and accelerated my decision. It still probably took some 1-2 years to clean my mental patterns of the faith completely since I still caught myself thinking like a Catholic. Now I don't have any hard feelings whatsoever - there are good and bad parts, but none fit me.

So in terms of the Muslim faith you could go the way of leaving the religion for something different.

Or you could pick and choose the most spiritual part of it. If I had decided to stay in the church, I would go completely Franciscan and would focuse on their perception of Christianity of course with a secular view as well - take the good and forget the bad.

For the Muslim faith it's more problematic, because the path is by far more violent and designed as a guideline by Mohammed to conquer the world. But even there I would probably pick Sufism, study Rumi, Shams-I-Tabriz, Kahlil Gibran, have some rules and forget the rest. Essentially if I would choose to remain Muslim I would be a secular Sufi who has more in common with a Franciscan monk than an average Muslim in the Middle East.

Or as I said I would go completely secular and go the Lebanon route. You can be spiritual without a religion as well.

But frankly with our current climate I don't think that I would like any of my kids to grow up Muslim at all. Even if I saw life as a peaceful secular Sufi, what guarantee do I have that my son doesn't take the Quran more seriously, gets enraged by some youtube videos or meets a charismatic Imam in the local mosque? I left Catholicism for much lesser transgressions, so leaving the Muslim faith would be no problem to me. But hey - that's me - I can understand if others would take it upon themselves to ride the bronco - but the conflicts in the West with the Muslim faith are just beginning so it will likely become tougher even for moderate Muslims in the future.

If I read right Sweden is letting in the equivalent of about 2/3 of 1% of its population ( 60,000 vs 9.5 million) EVERY MONTH?

That sounds unbelievable to me, I can't grasp why anyone would be so stupid.

In only 6-7 months you can have large, cohesive islands of belligerent outlier immigrants that can challenge with violence their right to no-go zones if that's not already happening.

(10-09-2015 01:53 PM)Gamma Wrote:  Does anyone have a link to the post that takes apart the video I posted?

I am neither left or right wing. I am just trying to understand the situation and see what the best solution is.

If people have a better idea then they should try promoting their views better since the video I linked to is pretty persuasive.

It would be good to see a snappy 5 minute video that laid out an alternative point of view.

In the battle for 'hearts and minds' - the lefties (if you want to call them that) seem to be winning.

I am still not sure if that is a good thing or not. I am open minded on this topic.

The video assumes all the migrants are Syrian...they are not as has been proven countless times. No one is checking IDs on the first million+ that have swarmed in, what country in the world just lets in people without IDs? Why in this age of global fear of terrorism have the rules been thrown out now to accommodate people with the highest probability of being terrorists? Many are Africans, and various other middle easterners who are just hopping on the bandwagon and riding the free money train into Europe. This is an economic invasion by more than half of the invaders, simply taking advantage of the situation for their own personal gain. Most likely more than 50% aren't even Syrian, and they are mainly young middle aged men, while less that 10% of the refugees are poor helpless women and children. I can't blame them for wanting a better life, but not at the expense of others hard work. It's Europe's job to protect what's theirs and protect their house.

The glorious Arab spring they talk about was caused by American & Israeli interests, and they have waged war in all the countries mentioned to destabilize them through various proxy armies and terror cells. ISIS is an American creation put into action to destabilize Iraq that has spread through Iran & Syria. This is a war being waged with American weapons, who do you think is profiting? The Egyptian, Lebanese, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, etc etc didn't start these wars because they were bored, they were thrust upon them in a joint effort of US/Israel proxy armies for numerous reasons...access to resources, building oil pipelines, building military bases and creating a strategic foothold in the region. AKA....profit!

Somehow the video assumes Europe spent all their money in the last decade on border patrols and not refugee centers, which is laughable as their borders are more porous than Swiss cheese. More money for refugees and welfare will just encourage more of this behavior en masse.

There has been large opposition to this in Europe that has been covered up repeatedly and ignored by the rulers and politicians, thereby betraying their constituents and countries in the process. Why should Europe be made to suffer because of Israeli & American politics?

What a crock of shit video full of BS. Please do some more homework, read this thread and come back later and share.

(10-09-2015 02:29 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  If I read right Sweden is letting in the equivalent of about 2/3 of 1% of its population ( 60,000 vs 9.5 million) EVERY MONTH?

That sounds unbelievable to me, I can't grasp why anyone would be so stupid.

In only 6-7 months you can have large, cohesive islands of belligerent outlier immigrants that can challenge with violence their right to no-go zones if that's not already happening.

It's already happening.

As I've said before, the EU and it's feckless politicians are guilty of crimes against their own people and a certain form of "ethnic cleansing" of their native citizens and need to be held accountable in the future.

We're looking at you Angela Merkel (and your Stasi stooge who wants to essentially jail people for posting anything that questions the government's crazy migrant policy):

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/...-comments/

Honestly, you couldn't make this shit up but it's happening in real time now and it's going to get bad in the coming years.

I appreciate the response.

I will dive in and check out the rest of (very large) thread.

Also - for what it is worth - I think Islamic terrorism in Europe is largely overplayed.

I live in the UK - and in the past decade - just a single person has being killed by Islamist terrorists. And even in that case - the terrorist involved was clearly mentally deranged. He was literally frothing at the mouth and talking to himself when he was caught.

Terrorism is a legitimate concern. But these days I think the risks are exaggerated by politicians (who can grandstand on these issues) and the security forces who want one blank cheque after another in order to keep us "safe". The security forces are largely useless against any genuine terrorist but they still love to sell this James Bond worldview where the only thing keeping us safe in our beds are the hundreds of billions of dollars that they siphon off.

Personally - I would rather they spent less on useless hyped up security. And just hand the cash over as compensation after the next terrorist attack.

If my aunt gets killed in a terrorist attack - I am sure 20 million dollars would help me get over it.

(10-09-2015 02:29 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  If I read right Sweden is letting in the equivalent of about 2/3 of 1% of its population ( 60,000 vs 9.5 million) EVERY MONTH?

That sounds unbelievable to me, I can't grasp why anyone would be so stupid.

In only 6-7 months you can have large, cohesive islands of belligerent outlier immigrants that can challenge with violence their right to no-go zones if that's not already happening.

Yup - that is the equivalent of 2 million migrants per month for a country like the US. It would boil down to 24 million per year. Sweden is crazy and frankly I don't know how long this will last.

Pick-up in Sweden and Germany might become more difficult very soon.

Gamma - (the name is not overly positive in Red Pill terms by the way) - we are not concerned about terrorism frankly. The 55 Swedish No-Go-Zones where police does not dare entering don't suffer from terrorism and suicide bombers. Jihad goes in several stages. Of course they won't demand an Islamic state with a 5% population living in the EU. However if you wait until it's 15-30%, then you will see more demands and at 40% you will definitely observe more violent protests which want sharia rule implemented. At that time or even way before you will start seeing real terrorism - also as a fight against any perceived injustice done by the secular or Christian government. There was an article on the 3-4 stages of Jihad on Return of Kings - you should go read it for clarification.

(10-09-2015 03:03 PM)Gamma Wrote:  …………..

Also - for what it is worth - I think Islamic terrorism in Europe is largely overplayed.

I live in the UK - and in the past decade - just a single person has being killed by Islamist terrorists. And even in that case - the terrorist involved was clearly mentally deranged. He was literally frothing at the mouth and talking to himself when he was caught.

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yeah, you are right. such things like islamic terrorism don't exist. I am not an advocate of all the safety precaution our governments take for the sake of our wellbeing while in reality they install a surveillance state but to say the problem doesn't exist isn't true neither. Anyway, the solution to decrease the risk of terrorist attacks in Europe is obviously not importing them beforehand.

The past decade.

That falls just outside the time period I gave.

I just think there should be a proportionate response to Islamic terrorism. The truth is that most Muslims just want to get along with people and chill out.