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Eskhander · 2015-09-30 01:57:00 · #2776
Regarding Israel's fertility. It is high but it may be too high. They won't have room.

And it's being driven by the ultra religious who are unpleasant and violent.
durangotang · 2015-09-30 02:54:00 · #2777
(09-30-2015 01:46 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I don't deny this. But I don't believe that the real power elite cares much about the Jewish people either. That is why so many Orthodox Jews are opposing this - they consider Israel itself a Satanic or at least occult entity.

But of course many Jewish people are participants thinking that it is just revenge for WWII and that it's self-defense to destroy the Christians before they start a new Holocoust again.

However - their culture in Israel gets equally destroyed by feminism, anti-patriarchal laws, water fluoridation until recently, LGBT agenda - you name it - they've got it all. The only thing that they do very well is k-selected breeding, strong positive tribal unity and a high degree of material intellectual resolve. But the Chinese have those mentalities too - in the past the Christian protestants did so as well.

So yes - I see the control groups and the lower and higher useful tools. In the end there won't be a Judaism of the old sort left - it will be destroyed together with the rest of the religions and all the current high- and mid-level Jewish participants will find out that they were conned themselves.

Besides - if it were as simple as that than I would advise for every man here to find himself a tolerable Jewish girl, marry her and be on the "ruling side of the future". I don't think it will be as easy as that - the real elite certainly does not consider itself Jewish anymore.

I never said the Jewish elite, who are Satanic, are genuinely interested in the well being of Jews.

The essence of Judaism is the same, all of it. Even if some Orthodox Jews oppose Israel because they believe that they are not supposed to be granted a nation again from whence to rule the nations of the Earth, until the messiah returns (and they deny Christ) then it doesn't mean they don't refer to gentiles as goyim and believe in the Deuteronomy passage I previously cited.

Orthodox Jews don't even repudiate the Talmud.

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I recommend that you read The Controversy of Zion, I think you will find it illuminating.

Following is an excerpt:

Chapter 6
The People Wept
-Page 40-


After thirteen years, in 445 BC, the elders in Babylon struck again. Nehemiah was another figure, as
typical of our century as of that time in Babylon. He was of Judahite descent and stood high in the Persian
king's favour (as Zionist "advisers" today habitually stand at the right hand of British Prime Ministers and
American Presidents; the parallel could not be much closer)
. He was cupbearer to Artaxerxes himself. He
arrived from Babylon in Jerusalem with dictatorial power and enough men and money to re-wall the city (at
Persian expense; the parallel with today continues),
and it thus became the first true ghetto. It was an empty
one, and when the walls were ready Nehemiah ordered that one in ten of the Judahites be chosen by lot to
reside in it.

Race thus became the supreme, though still unwritten tenet of the Law. Jehovah-worshippers who
could not satisfy Persian officials and the Levite elders of their descent from Judah, Benjamin or Levi were
rejected "with horror" (Dr. Kastein). Every man had to establish "the undisputed purity of his stock" from
the registers of births (Hitler's Twentieth Century edict about the Aryan grandmothers was less extreme).

Then, in 444 BC, Nehemiah had Ezra embody the ban on mixed marriages in the Torah, so that at last
what had been done became part of the much-amended "Law" (and David and Solomon presumably were
posthumously cast out of the fold). The heads of clans and families were assembled and required to sign a
pledge that they and their peoples would keep all the statutes and judgments of the Torah, with special
emphasis on this new one.

In Leviticus the necessary insertion was made: "I have severed you from other people that ye should be
mine"
. Thenceforth no Judahite might marry outside the clan, under penalty of death; every man who
married a foreign woman committed a sin against God (Nehemiah, 13.27; this is the law in the Zionist state
today).
"Strangers" were forbidden to enter the city, so that the Judahites "might be purified from everything
foreign".

Nehemiah and Ezra were both eye-witnesses. Nehemiah is the ideal, unchallengeable narrator: he was
there, he was the dictator, his was the deed. He says that when Ezra for the first time read this new Law to
the Jerusalemites:

"All the people wept when they heard the words of the Law".

These twelve words of contemporary journalism bring the scene as clearly before today's reader as if it
had occurred twenty-four hours, not twenty-four centuries ago. He sees the weeping, ghettoized throng of
444 BC through the eyes of the man who, with Persian warriors at his side, forced them into their first true
captivity, the spiritual one which thereafter was to enclose any man who called himself "Jew".


Nehemiah remained twelve years in Jerusalem and then returned to the Babylonian court. At once the
artificial structure he had set up in Jerusalem began to disintegrate, so that some years later he descended
again on the city, where once more mixed marriages had occurred. He "forcibly dissolved" these,
[47] also setting "the severest penalties" on further transgressions of the kind. Next, "with a view to applying
rigorously the selective principle, he again carefully studied the register of births" and ejected all, including
even Aaronite families, in whose descent the slightest flaw could be detected. Last, he "ruthlessly purged" the
community of all who had failed in "unquestioning and unhesitating allegiance to the established order and
the law" and made the entire people renew their pledge.

This is known as "the New Covenant" (as Deuteronomy was the Second Law; these qualifying words are
the milestones of the supplanting heresy). It had to be signed, at Levite order and under Persian duress, by
every man in Jerusalem singly, as if it were a business contract.
Then Nehemiah finally departed for Babylon,
his home, having "completed the task of isolation" and "left behind him a community which, agreed as it now
was on all fundamental questions, was able to fend for itself. He had organized their everyday life for them
and built up their spiritual foundations"
. These words are Dr. Kastein's; the reader has seen, also in his words,
by what means these Jerusalemites were brought to "agree on all fundamental questions".

By this time about four hundred years had passed since the repudiation of Judah by Israel, and three
hundred since the Assyrian conquest of Israel. This period of time the Levites had used to complete the
perversion of the older tradition, to put their racio-religious Law in writing, and at last to clamp it, like
shackles, on the Judahites in the little Persian province of Judea. They had succeeded in setting up their
fantastic, tribal creed and in establishing their little theocracy. They had started the catalytic agent on its
journey through the centuries.
iop890 · 2015-09-30 03:36:00 · #2778
Oy vey, this thread is like another shoah!
durangotang · 2015-09-30 04:40:00 · #2779
Interestingly a Russian Major General, Konstantin P. Petrov, who was deputy director of the Soviet Space Program, attempted to start his own political party in Russia during the early 2000's after years of Harvard Shock Doctrine and Jewish oligarchs pillaging the country.

His party was called Conceptual Party Unity, which existed from 2000 to 2007. In the legislative elections of 2003, he won 1.2% of the popular vote and no seats. The party was disbanded on May 15, 2007 by the Supreme court citing failure to provide required registration numbers and is now known as "Course of Truth and Unity."

Anyway, this Russian Major General had very interesting things to say regarding our Jewish friends - whom he saw as the captive people of an ancient Egyptian priesthood who wages war by deception. This priesthood, whom we might call the Jewish elite, he refers to as the Western Mafia.

He believed that Russia needed to look back to it's Pagan roots for the future. The primary goal of the party was governing Russian Federation and, ultimately, the world, in accordance with religio-political Conception of Social Security "Dead Water" (Концепция общественной безопасности Мёртвая вода), named after the magical water from Russian folklore that heals the wounds of the dead, and Sufficiently Universal Theory of Ruling (Достаточно общая теория управления). I have tried and failed to get a hold of his book, Dead Water.

He is deceased now. Here is the old party website.

I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but his videos are interesting none the less:









Below are two other fascinating videos made by Russians which are topically related. I particularly was fascinated with the algorithm of interest as part of the Bible project, in relation to the Law of time, in the first video. The second video contemplates Islam as anti-thesis to Jewish usury, and the relation between a contrived war using Islam by the global elite - a stretch and very rambling but thought provoking.







Hades · 2015-09-30 04:43:00 · #2780
(09-30-2015 01:57 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  Regarding Israel's fertility. It is high but it may be too high. They won't have room.

And it's being driven by the ultra religious who are unpleasant and violent.

In the long run, attempting to outbreed the opposition is a good strategy.
72 and sunny · 2015-09-30 05:15:00 · #2781
(09-30-2015 01:57 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  Regarding Israel's fertility. It is high but it may be too high. They won't have room.

And it's being driven by the ultra religious who are unpleasant and violent.

Unpleasant, violent, extremists who order their women to dress modestly/cover themselves, be invisible, and sit in the back of the bus.

Buy when Taliban does that very same thing they are called backward cave-dwelling fundamentalists. When Orthodox Jews do it they are called religious, and supported by our tax witholdings.
Dan Woolf · 2015-09-30 05:19:00 · #2782
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iop890 · 2015-09-30 06:44:00 · #2783
Leaked Austrian "secret document" places cost of asylum for migrants at 12.3 BILLION euro

Austria's tax revenue is 70 billion/year.

They're spending 18% of their tax revenue on supporting migrants, and they already have record high unemployment.

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Akula · 2015-09-30 07:17:00 · #2784
Getting away from the whole conspiracy stuff (right or wrong), given we don't have a truly objective and "free" press anymore in the west that's just "giving us the facts, mamm" (but rather a bunch of progressive, globalist social-engineering idealists who also selectively serve their corporatists & EU/US government masters) I'm wondering what sort of things we can do to combat them, other than setting up more blogs, getting the word out individually, etc.

Even media outlets like The Wall Street Journal, CNBC and Bloomberg are full-on progressive for the most part and 100% behind mass illegal immigration & migration and the destruction of the nation-state, borders, etc. Which is obviously a death-knell for the average Western citizen's future & safety but great for the elites in power and their allies along with the corporations who get cheap labour, more people dependent on government and more likely to be "sheeple", a way to counter "nativist" backlashes, etc.

Just seems to me that even with all the lies and false narratives it's still very hard for the average citizen to understand what's going on and/or not believe a lot of the media spin. In particular in most of Europe where all of the bigger mainstream media outlets are owned by government and far-leftist/SJW/progressives. And in the US the media, Hollywood and academia + activist judges who control the social fabric of the country and just make laws us as they go (in the case of the judges). So you can't even just "vote the bastards out" but rather we're battling deeply vested and powerful entities who are both creating the false narratives and policing it as well many times (literally and figuratively). So what can we do?

Me personally I'm just trying to "get the word" out but it's mostly face to face and posting here to the largely already converted. Just wish there were more powerful alternative sources of information people could start up/support/found etc. (RooshV Forum notwithstanding Laugh)

Thoughts guys?
amity · 2015-09-30 07:27:00 · #2785
(09-30-2015 07:17 AM)Akula Wrote:  Given we don't have a truly objective and "free" press anymore that's just "giving us the facts, mamm" (but rather a bunch of progressive, globalist social-engineering idealists who also selectively serve their corporatists & EU/US government masters) I'm wondering what sort of things we can do to combat them, other than setting up more blogs, getting the word out, etc.

Even media outlets like The Wall Street Journal, CNBC and Bloomberg are full-on 100% behind mass illegal immigration & migration and the destruction of the nation-state, borders, etc. Which is obviously a death-knell for the average Western citizen's future but great for the elites in power and their allies along with the corporations.

Just seems to me that even with all the lies and false narratives it's still very hard for the average citizen to understand what's going on and/or not believe a lot of the media spin. In particular in most of Europe where all of the bigger mainstream media outlets are owned by government and far-leftist/SJW/progressive.

Me personally I'm just trying to "get the word" out but it's mostly face to face and posting here to the largely already converted. Just wish there were more powerful alternative sources of information people could (RooshV Forum notwithstanding! Laugh)

Thoughts guys?

This is exactly what I'm experiencing too.
I posted a few things re this on Facebook and Twitter in recent times, those who responded ranged from being dismayed (at my views) to expressing outrage that I was going against the popular narrative.
Granted, much of my social media acquaintances are continental Europeans, a good proportion of whom would be quite liberal in their views with a few outright SJWs in the mix too.
I've since toned down my rhetoric, even one of my family members had a quiet word with me about it, also in relation to my job, I've had to be careful about what I post.
It seems like there's no talking to most people of urban professional stock, on this issue (which is probably 80% of my peers).
It probably will take for them or someone they know to be directly negatively affected by these events for their eyes to be opened to reality.
Akula · 2015-09-30 07:35:00 · #2786
^^^ yeah that's like me in a lot of ways and that should tell you (me) something.

It's like we're living in an ersatz version of the former Soviet Union, where our Pravda-like newspapers and news outlets put out endless garbage, half-truths & lies and you have to sift through all the bullshit every single day to truly understand what's right & wrong and how the State is lying to us. All the while making sure you don't say the wrong thing at work, online or even at home lest someone "out" you for even having a slightly different take on things and it ruins your ability to support yourself.

In this migrant "news story" it's really galling because apparently the media and average person can't put two and two together, figure out that massive EU unemployment + decaying infrastructure + slow GDP growth + huge welfare systems/pensions + non-existent job growth + huge cultural integration issues + a 75% male to female-to-male migrant ratio = BIG PROBLEMS. It's not like the EU is some bastion of free markets and they'll find a way to incorporate all these millions of new low-skilled people into the economy either. Indeed, Europe's sclerotic bureaucracy is notorious for hindering new enterprise and job growth and putting up endless regulatory barriers. So anyone coming there is very likely to end up on the public dole, working off the books illegally etc.

And on top of it all, the US and EU's constant intervention in the Middle East is clearly the cause of all these migrants coming to Europe in the first place (along with their lack of control of their own borders, which is a whole other issue).
Belgrano · 2015-09-30 08:14:00 · #2787
Article on the coming election in Vienna from the NYT. It´s heavily biased, but will help the English speaking forum members to get an idea of what´s going on. Better than nothing:

Quote:Rise of Austrian Right Lengthens Shadow of Nazi Era

VIENNA — As befits the city of Sigmund Freud, Vienna has two faces — one sweet, one sinister.

Behind the schnitzel and strudel, Mozart and the opera, lurks the legacy of the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes. In 1988, to much controversy, Vienna placed Alfred Hrdlicka’s “Memorial Against War and Fascism,” featuring a sculpture of a Jewish man cleaning the street, right behind the State Opera, lest Austria again forget.

Now, to the astonishment of many and the alarm of some, the burning question in Vienna’s elegant cafes is, Which face will prevail in the city’s bellwether elections on Oct. 11?

Roughly one in four of Austria’s 8.7 million residents lives in Vienna. For almost the last century — aside from the Nazi years, 1938-45 — the left has ruled “Red Vienna,” long prized for its pioneering public housing and welfare, and its cultural ferment.

But against the backdrop of Europe’s refugee drama, the far-right Freedom Party is threatening the Social Democrats’ hold in what may portend a more general rise in populist, anti-immigrant sentiment across the Continent.

Riding a wave of anxiety over the tens of thousands of migrants entering Austria this month, the Freedom Party finished second, with just over 30 percent of the vote, in regional elections in northern Austria on Sunday.

The Freedom Party’s strident anti-Islam message seems to have struck a chord in a city whose palaces speak of the bygone glory of a multiethnic European empire, and whose public spaces now attest to increasing diversity and a Muslim population of some 12 percent.

“We don’t want an Islamization of Europe,” the party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, told Austria’s public broadcaster as he began his campaign to be Vienna’s mayor. “We don’t want our Christian-Western culture to perish.”

In Germany, such sentiments exist on the fringe of politics. In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy. It is a message that the party’s charismatic leader, Jörg Haider, rode briefly into national government, and it has thrived beyond his death in a car crash in 2008.

In the last Vienna elections, in 2010, the Freedom Party vaulted to more than 25 percent of the vote, a gain of over 10 percentage points. By this summer, opinion polls suggested, the far-right party had pulled almost level with the Social Democrats, who got 44 percent in 2010. Both now hover just above 30 percent.

The causes are manifold, including unemployment that has risen to more than 10 percent and dissatisfaction with the longtime mayor, Michael Häupl. His working-class base is eroding; others fault him for failing to end cozy patronage systems that favor the powerful over the poor.

What everyone is wondering now is what effect the migrants will have.

Thousands of Viennese have greeted tens of thousands of refugees arriving from Hungary this month. The national government, which had long flailed on the issue, found a firm voice and strongly criticized Budapest for putting refugees on trains that led them not west to Austria, but to a camp in Hungary. This, said Chancellor Werner Faymann, a Social Democrat, “brings up memories of our Continent’s darkest period.”

Like Germany, Austria loudly advocates asylum for refugees. Its projected total of applicants, many from the Middle East, is 80,000 this year, meaning that, like Germany’s, its population may grow by 1 percent.

But its image as a caretaker for waves of refugees over decades — Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, East Germans and former Yugoslavs escaping Communism or war — suffered this summer. Its main refugee center at Traiskirchen was found to be squalid, with inadequate medical care and more than 1,000 people sleeping in the open. When the authorities refused to admit a group from Doctors Without Borders, leftists seethed.

When a reporter visited the camp in late August, conditions had improved, although tents still provided shelter for 1,200 of the 3,000 people there. Austrians shocked by the conditions had brought so many clothes, toys and other goods that containers overflowed with rejects.

Opponents of the far right hope events — the greeting of the migrants and the discovery of 71 corpses in a truck abandoned by smugglers — have turned the tables on Mr. Strache.

“These are experiences which will not be forgotten so quickly,” said Georg Hoffmann-Ostenhof, a columnist for the center-left weekly Profil. Indeed, Austria’s tabloids switched from headlines about the chaos brought by refugees to images of warm welcomes, although the arrival of tens of thousands may strain slender resources.

Not everyone is optimistic. “The people are ready to help,” said Hans Rauscher, a columnist for the Vienna newspaper Der Standard. “But don’t kid yourself. You only have to listen to the gossip in the bars” to know that anti-Muslim feeling runs high.

Far-right supporters are often reticent around foreigners, and Freedom Party leaders generally shun what they view as critical news outlets. But a Vienna activist took a reporter to a “Speakers’ Corner” in a district where the Freedom Party vote has grown steadily.

To judge by this gathering of about 30 of the party faithful, the left has little to fear. The microphone and speakers’ platform never showed up; the event was a washout.

It did, however, provide a rare opportunity to talk to just over a half-dozen people in their 20s about why they support the far right. They railed against corruption, poor city transportation and the fears of older adults who, they said, could not venture out at night. They kept a disciplined focus on local affairs. “That’s national level,” said Stephan Promont, 20, when asked about the refugees.

The only national figure present, Harald Stefan, a Freedom Party deputy in Parliament, made clear his sympathy for Hungary’s tough stance. “The Germans were to blame,” he said of the refugee surge that followed a message on Twitter from a German official widely read as saying all Syrians could enter. “You can’t blame Hungary for that.”

The Freedom Party’s campaign, titled “October Revolution,” preserves the jingoism the party has made its own. “Vienna should not become Chicago” was a favorite slogan back in the 1990s. This year, one motto is “Respect for our culture instead of false tolerance” for anything un-Austrian.

Some immigrants are acceptable: For Mr. Strache, “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks,” Mr. Rauscher said.

To counter Mr. Strache, the Social Democrats compiled a “Blue Book” of his deeds and speeches. In the introduction, Mayor Häupl writes: “History books tell us enough about where things can lead if demagogues get power. We want to make sure that no new chapters have to be written. That is why the coming elections in Vienna are decisive, and not just for our city.”
porscheguy · 2015-09-30 08:44:00 · #2788
(09-29-2015 06:38 PM)durangotang Wrote:  A great war was fought to preserve Europe. Hitler and the valiant Germans succeeded in stopping the Jewish Bolsheviks westward expansion as far as Berlin. They lost everything - 56 cities were were firebombed. Now, under occupation, and after 70 years of cultural Marxist indoctrination, an attempt is made at their ultimate genocide.





In order to understand WWII, we must understand that we have undergone an inversion of truth. The victors write history.

For example, my whole life people in the west have taught that it was Hitler's greatest mistake to wage a two front war. You can here the egoism in their voice as they say how stupid he was or that he should he should have listened to his generals. What we are not taught was the truth, and that is that the Jewish Communists had a vast army to invade all of Europe, and upon discovering this, the Germans had no choice but launch a preemptive military strike against Russia - the largest military campaign in world history - Operation Barbarosa (operation Red Beard - a reference to Thor):
I'm going to be honest here. I got to the final 35 minutes of this video, and then turned it off. I've done a fair bit of research into WW2 over the years and I've got to call bullshit on the notion that Allied forces were every bit as bad as the Red Army. I have no doubt that the allies weren't perfect once they entered Germany, but it's ludicrous for the narrators to imply that Eisenhower (that name is so German, it's Pennsylvania dutch) had feelings of hatred for Germans. My uncle (grandfather's brother) was killed over Germany. My Grandfather served in Japan. Keep in mind my grandfather's family was as German as they get. But my neither my grandfather nor my great grandmother ever expressed hatred for Germany. They were angry at them waging a war against a country who should have been their natural ally. I've read one too many narratives from soldiers who said being in Germany was the closest thing to being at home. And you'll also note that they stopped showing a lot of pictures of beaten and broken women once they started talking about the western tyrants.

But regardless, had Germany surrendered to the US on the western front around September '44, they could have drastically altered the outcome of the war, saved themselves, saved Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and maybe a few others.

But rather than get sidetracked into our own theories, speculations, etc, let's at least agree that Germany has more than paid the price for their transgressions, and that it's time for people to stop living in the past. (isn't that what the SJWs are always telling us?)
Zelcorpion · 2015-09-30 08:48:00 · #2789
(09-30-2015 08:14 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  Article on the coming election in Vienna from the NYT. It´s heavily biased, but will help the English speaking forum members to get an idea of what´s going on. Better than nothing:

Quote:“We don’t want an Islamization of Europe,” the party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, told Austria’s public broadcaster as he began his campaign to be Vienna’s mayor. “We don’t want our Christian-Western culture to perish.”

In Germany, such sentiments exist on the fringe of politics. In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy. It is a message that the party’s charismatic leader, Jörg Haider, rode briefly into national government, and it has thrived beyond his death in a car crash in 2008.
...
What everyone is wondering now is what effect the migrants will have.

Thousands of Viennese have greeted tens of thousands of refugees arriving from Hungary this month. The national government, which had long flailed on the issue, found a firm voice and strongly criticized Budapest for putting refugees on trains that led them not west to Austria, but to a camp in Hungary. This, said Chancellor Werner Faymann, a Social Democrat, “brings up memories of our Continent’s darkest period.”

Like Germany, Austria loudly advocates asylum for refugees. Its projected total of applicants, many from the Middle East, is 80,000 this year, meaning that, like Germany’s, its population may grow by 1 percent.
....

Not everyone is optimistic. “The people are ready to help,” said Hans Rauscher, a columnist for the Vienna newspaper Der Standard. “But don’t kid yourself. You only have to listen to the gossip in the bars” to know that anti-Muslim feeling runs high.

Far-right supporters are often reticent around foreigners, and Freedom Party leaders generally shun what they view as critical news outlets. But a Vienna activist took a reporter to a “Speakers’ Corner” in a district where the Freedom Party vote has grown steadily.
...

Some immigrants are acceptable: For Mr. Strache, “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks,” Mr. Rauscher said.


This is so much bullshit. The FPO was a liberal and later even libertarian party. Haider put it on a anti-immigration course in the 1990s. To the fucking lying media every Austrian is an ex-Nazi - never mind mentioning the fact that if you refused in the 1940s to join at least the Wehrmacht, then you were shot or if you deserted then your family would have been killed.

In any case - they twist every work and lie through their teeth - and now some politicians like Juncker even admits it:

Quote:Jean-Claude Juncker profile: 'When it becomes serious, you have to lie'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...o-lie.html

That is how politicians do business in the EU (as well as in the US):

Quote:"We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back,"

If you don't complain terribly, then the program continues. Sometimes they don't even care if you complain. "What you gonna do about it - eh? Vote for "Neonazis"?"

Quote:Mr Juncker was also closely linked to the EU constitution, before the French referendum on it in 2005 he predicted, correctly, that Europe would ignore any popular rejections.
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,” he said.

So there - Juncker told clearly why the Greek petition did not matter. You vote yes and we go on, you vote no and we still continue. It's not as if the peasants are going to march with arms to our houses. The proles don't count.

   

So of course they lie:

"Those immigrants will pay for your pensions!"
"They are future husbands and soulmates."
"They will integrate peacefully into Europe."
"They are just refugees fleeing for their lives."
"We politicians love you."
TheWastelander · 2015-09-30 10:00:00 · #2790
(09-30-2015 08:14 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  Article on the coming election in Vienna from the NYT. It´s heavily biased, but will help the English speaking forum members to get an idea of what´s going on. Better than nothing:

Good lord. The woman who wrote that article, Alison Smale, is obsessed with the Holocaust and Nazis more than any online skinhead I've ever come across.
PhDre · 2015-09-30 12:24:00 · #2791
She’s maybe obsessed with them, but I think the constant Nazi references have a clear goal in this article: to steer undecided voters away from the FPÖ.

For the past 70 years, Western politicians and media have been labeling every political party and movement that wants to:
- preserve and reinforce the national identity and strengthen the country
- promote and reinforce the nuclear family as cornerstone of society
as Nazi.

You only accept immigrants with a job offer and sufficient savings? Nazi
You exclude immigrants from welfare and free healthcare until they’ve worked and paid taxes for multiple years? Nazi
You send criminal immigrants back to their country of origin? Nazi
You expect immigrants to adapt to our culture? Nazi
You demand that immigrants learn our language? Nazi
You refuse to fund the construction of massive mosques with taxpayer money? Nazi
Government restaurants don’t serve halal food? Nazi
You call out immigrants on their astonishing crime rates and welfare leeching? Nazi
You refuse to give muslims the right to violate our laws because they are in conflict with their religion? Nazi
You don’t enforce positive discrimination of women and minorities? Nazi

You impose strict divorce laws to avoid frivorce? Nazi
You impose strict abortion laws? Nazi
You prohibit gay marriage and gay child adoption? Nazi
You prohibit gender reassignment surgery? Nazi
You declare trans-sexuality a mental illness? Nazi
You prohibit gay propaganda parades? Nazi

This indoctrination has been running for the past 7 decades (and definitely went into overdrive the last 10 to 20 years) and the message is very clear: if you subscribe to any of these ideas or vote for a party that wants to enforce them, then you are a monster that approves of the holocaust and wants to repeat it.

Did it work?
For me, there can only be two reasons why the FPÖ achieved only 30% in the latest regional election:
1) The large majority of Austrians are mentally handicapped. They are unable to make observations, connect cause and effect, generalize their findings and vote for the people that want to deal with the problems they indentify.
2) The indoctrination has worked.
In a sane country, with mentally healthy people, the only normal result under the given circumstances would be an 80%+ score for the far-right party.

And Austria is not alone.
There is Front National in France, Vlaams Belang and Front National in Belgium, PVV in the Netherlands, NPD in Germany, Sverigedemokraterna in Sweden,…
All of these parties have a hardcore group of voters of around 5-10% which rises to (and caps at) 20-30% in crisis situations as we face now.

If you go to any of these countries and you question the inhabitants, you will find that a lot of them agree on nearly all of the points that I mentioned above (or at least on the ones concerning migration). However, once they learn from their politicians, academics and quality media that these viewpoints are racist, facist and Nazi, they will feel guilty about their real opinion, they will hide it and they will certainly not vote for a party that wants to enforce it – lest they be the enablers of a new holocaust.

I think that we will not see an electoral majority for a far-right party in Europe until we reach Syria-like levels of poverty and violence. And by then, the far-right parties will already be outlawed and banned, as happened to the Vlaams Blok in Belgium in 2004 after they became the most popular party in Flanders and one of the most successful far-right parties in Europe.
RaccoonFace · 2015-09-30 13:05:00 · #2792
We call it the 'Cordon sanitaire' here in Belgium. Luckily the leader of the NVA, Bart De Wever, pays attention to that public in our country because a lot of ex-voters of Vlaams Belang vote for his party now.

All the other government parties are cucked and EU shills. We're very lucky that the socialists aren't in power at the moment, they have a history of importing poor people for votes here...
PhDre · 2015-09-30 13:29:00 · #2793
^^I am very well aware of the political situation in Belgium.

Don't expect too much from NVA. I know one of their party members. According to him, the KVHV (conservative) side has lost the internal power struggle and NVA is moving more and more towards the progressive camp. The only things that will remain are the push to transfer more responsibilities from the federal to the regional level and the capitalist agenda.

Also, it is not because the socialists are not in the government that they are not in power. Over the past decades, SPA and PS have managed to infiltrate and occupy the top of all public services and media. And then you have the unions ABVV/FGTB who are above all law and function as private militia for the socialist cause. And ACV/CSC, although they belong to a different pillar, serve the same purpose.
Zelcorpion · 2015-09-30 14:51:00 · #2794
Recently I read once again some strange Eurostat numbers of claims that 60% of the invaders are men and a whopping 26% are children.

Yeah right - first of all - they are obviously not counting and second is the problem of everyone in his 20s claiming to be younger than 18 to secure automatic refugee status.

Only later do they find out that those men are sometimes 28 as in those Swedish cases:

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Here the case of a 21yo Ali who wanted to join some Swedish High School - was supposedly from Iran. He beat up the headmaster and threatened to rape the social workers since they did not let him go to high school, so he could sample 14 year old girls.

Quote:It was in March this year that the unaccompanied refugee child Ali, who according to the population register is 21 years old, went to Hagagymnasiet in Borlänge and told me he wanted to go to school there. However, the school's assistant principal Tommy Berg told Ali that he was too old for high school and therefore must turn to adult education if he wants to take back her high school education.

Of course he won't be deported in Swedikistan.

http://www.friatider.se/flyktingbarn-var...-som-hamnd

http://swedishsurveyor.com/2015/09/30/mo...cy-status/

And here another point - aside from claiming to be a minor there is the basic trick of fake-conversion to Christianity. Since Christians are persecuted in some countries, then they are not deported even if they rape a 14 year old like in this case above.

A few facts by Swedish-surveyor:

Quote:Middle Easterners and Africans are overrepresented as rapists in the Nordic Countries

Sweden – Rapists from the Middle East and Africa were overrepresented up to 23x compared to natives.

Finland – Rapists from the Middle East were overrepresented 13x whilst Africans were overrepresented 12x compared to natives.

Norway – In Oslo, 2007-2010, 100% of perpetrators convicted of assault rape had non-Western Background and were often asylum seekers.


Denmark – 51.5% of convicted rapists had immigrant background, with Iraqis, Iranians, Turks, and Somalis, being dramatically overrepresented.

And what about the elite?

Well - according to globalist Soros should the EU take in at least 1 million refugees yearly. Of course it will be more since currently it looks to be 4-6 million per year.

http://www.teaparty.org/soros-demands-eu...s-annually

Quote:Arch globalist and color revolution mastermind George Soros demands Europe “accept responsibility” for the mass influx of Muslims now flooding the continent.

He writes for Project Syndicate, an Open Society propaganda forum, that the EU is obliged to take in a million Muslim migrants per year and spend $16.8k annually on each, a grand total of $17 billion.

The money would come from frontline European countries and the United States in the form of long-term bonds.

“The EU needs a comprehensive plan to respond to the crisis, one that reasserts effective governance over the flows of asylum-seekers so that they take place in a safe, orderly way, and at a pace that reflects Europe’s capacity to absorb them. To be comprehensive, the plan has to extend beyond the borders of Europe,” Soros writes.

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/soros-demands-eu...Rvpjl.dpuf

Meanwhile in Poland thousands of youth went to the streets in multiple cities on the 26.9.:

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http://www.euractiv.com/sections/justice...ign=buffer

The media barely reported it at all.

And what happens in the US?

Obama doesn't want the US to slip behind the EU and wishes to let in some soulmates and future husbands, so that those can enrich the US society:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/...cy-asylum/

Quote:As if the President Obama’s sweeping amnesty measures haven’t compromised national security enough, the administration let 1,519 “inadmissible” foreigners embroiled in terrorism into the U.S. last year because the crimes were committed “while under duress.”

Indeed - beheading someone in Syria is of course a crime committed under great duress. Why should the 1519 known terrorists not come into the good old USA, if they can go by foot to the EU as well? I am sure they will integrate well into society.

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Dan Woolf · 2015-09-30 15:11:00 · #2795
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RaccoonFace · 2015-09-30 15:21:00 · #2796
(09-30-2015 01:29 PM)PhDre Wrote:  ^^I am very well aware of the political situation in Belgium.

Don't expect too much from NVA. I know one of their party members. According to him, the KVHV (conservative) side has lost the internal power struggle and NVA is moving more and more towards the progressive camp. The only things that will remain are the push to transfer more responsibilities from the federal to the regional level and the capitalist agenda.

Also, it is not because the socialists are not in the government that they are not in power. Over the past decades, SPA and PS have managed to infiltrate and occupy the top of all public services and media. And then you have the unions ABVV/FGTB who are above all law and function as private militia for the socialist cause. And ACV/CSC, although they belong to a different pillar, serve the same purpose.
So you think NVA isn't going to do shit, although Bartje speaks loud these days? :/ Frankly, Theo Francken has dissapointed me so I'm inclined to believe you... I thought he would be an even harder version of Maggie.

Is this party member a minister or does he have any significance in the party or isn't he well known?
MikeS · 2015-09-30 15:25:00 · #2797
I'm all in favor of the hunger strikes. Shame they are probably going to chicken out before they kill themselves.
Handsome Creepy Eel · 2015-09-30 15:32:00 · #2798
Serious question: do these people ever do anything other than tapping away at their phones?
void · 2015-09-30 15:36:00 · #2799
Great news everyone, the number of 290 000 - lets make it 300 000 - unregistered illegal immigrants roaming Germany at the moment has been stated by a federal bureau. (This does not include registered immigrants). Nobody knows if or when they will register.
Zelcorpion · 2015-09-30 15:42:00 · #2800
And this is the first good news that someone is doing something in terms of stemming the legitimate refugee numbers:

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a72cee0a-674e-...z3nFwcY0fG

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With Russian help there is actually hope that Assad will stay in power and be able to push back the joint ISIS/Al-Quaeda/NATO/Israel proxy powers of "moderate" beheaders. Maybe the Chinese will even join forces.

Too bad that Gaddafi did not have his aid.

   

And the lying media asks the impertinent question whom he is bombing? Fuck you you lying bastards - yes - he is bombing hospitals and schools filled with innocent civilians freed by the Free Syrian Army. I'll spare you the links - those morons post their beheadings online anyway for everyone to see. Most of them of course are not even Syrians, but Islamists from all around the world.
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