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(09-25-2015 12:26 PM)N°6 Wrote:(09-25-2015 06:13 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: Unlike Croatia, at least Germany hasn't sent any weapons to Syria: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...05830.html
You'd think that if Merkel was so concerned about the poor 'refugees', she'd start by severing all ties with the USA who is funding these wars.
(09-25-2015 09:06 AM)BoiBoi Wrote: I have a question that I didn't find an answer to:
Why is it happening now? People in the middle-east/ Africa have been poor/ fucked for quite some time, so why now? What was the trigger?
Quote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/se...ome-so-bad
A fourth point is that people have finally saved up enough money. It is expensive to pay for your family to cross to Greece and then work your way up through Europe. Depending on how many smugglers you use, every individual might spend about $3,000 (£1,970) to get to Germany. It takes time to get that kind of cash – and maybe we are now seeing the result of several years of penny-pinching.
Fifth, there is now a known route. People have long trekked through the Balkans to the EU, but Syrians were not previously among them. That changed late last summer, when the first few Syrians found the Balkan route to Europe. Those trailblazers told their friends, who told their friends, who set up Facebook groups about it. Suddenly a phenomenon was born – and one that grew still faster when people realised that the window might not stay open for much longer.
(09-25-2015 12:35 PM)N°6 Wrote: Gates of Constantinople: Israeli volunteers are aiding Syrian refugees in Europe
“You are meeting fellow human beings,” she said. “You see agony and pain, you see a need, then what does it matter where the person is from.
[N°6: But is matters where they are going. To Europe rather than to Israel.]
Dr. Tali Shaltiel explaining to a group of Afghans how to get to the refugee registration center some 40 miles away. (Gavin Rabinowitz)
http://www.jta.org/2015/09/22/news-opini...n-refugees
Quote:Zablon Simintov (born 1959 in Turkmenistan) is an Afghan carpet trader and restaurateur who is believed to be the last remaining Jew in Afghanistan.
(09-24-2015 07:14 PM)Eskhander Wrote:(09-24-2015 06:28 PM)Libertas Wrote: Meanwhile I'd heard that 70% of Germans don't want to take in more "refugees."
It has indeed risen. Merkel's approval falls as well.
[/img](09-25-2015 05:37 PM)Karaya Wrote: UN: 8.000 arrive each day
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Presenting to you the latest numbers... people arriving each day: 8.000. Reuters quoting United Nations (German article)
At least 4000 are coming from the Eastern side.
In case you were thinking governments had spread some creative truth about the figures, you were (expectedly) right. BTW: The UN says these numbers could just be the "tip of the iceberg".
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(09-25-2015 11:09 AM)Libertas Wrote: Some of the comments on that article:
Quote:Brexit • 9 minutes ago
This man occasionally strolls around in public.
Next time someone should be holding something more explosive than merely a microphone in their hand. He needs it explaining to him that trying to justify genocide will not be tolerated
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CommonSense033 Brexit • 7 minutes ago
Explosives cause collateral damage. Can't anyone pick up an antique Mauser or Enfield and do a 200 meter scoped shot anymore? Just assess backstop and have at it.
In all my years I've never seen open comments like these. Really indicative that people are getting very pissed off. Something is going to happen.
Quote:>>EuroPox • 11 hours ago
“And that’s precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine.”
There will have to be a war to settle that one.
I am getting more bloody-minded by the day ... and I don't think I am the only one
>>Mr_Twister > RumDrinker • 6 hours ago
5,000,000 ex forces in the uk, even those unsteady on their feet have knowledge anď experiénce to share...what have the statists got?
The hardware yes.. but not the software!
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>>RumDrinker > Mr_Twister • 4 hours ago
It only takes a few sergeants to change an unarmed ex soldier into an armed revolutionary, and lets face it, we are being pushed like never before.
My country isn't what they have made it into, it's what it used to be, and I love my country.
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>>Conductor 71 • 10 hours ago
Presumably then, Turkey will be doing it's utmost to hold on to it's 2,000,000+ newcomers to maintain its place as Europe's powerhouse?
Either that or Sutherland is the type of man who in an earlier age would be dancing a jig at the end of a rope.
>>Mr_Twister > rationality • 6 hours ago
I bounce between despair at where we're heading....
And weird excitement (relief?) at knowing I'll probably go down fighting my oppressors!!
Takes the "I wonder how I'll die?" Question out of life!
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>>tenbelly • 10 hours ago
This man is a dangerous nutcase.
He needs treatment.
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>>c777 > tenbelly • 10 hours ago
9mm treatment.
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>>MedJumper > c777 • 10 hours ago
Too quick.
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>>fitsy > MedJumper • 10 hours ago
Hanged upside-down by his toes, over a snake pit. Force fed stale bread and the most disgusting offal; all washed down with lashings of sour milk.
Whipped daily with a cat o' nine tails...
I could go on. Let your imagination run free.
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>>Zandac > P. Dent • 9 hours ago
I would very much like to see where this EU shill lives. I would guess in a mansion surrounded by acres of land, in some safe area miles from the hoi-polloi whose futures he has wrecked. He needs his life to end like the Romanian dictator Ceaucescu.
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Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.
On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.
Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.
But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.
(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)iop890 Wrote: German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees
Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.
On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.
Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.
But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.
(09-25-2015 07:07 PM)Troll King Wrote: With number like this, in the millions over the next few years, this has to dramatically change many places in Europe. Especially considering how many of these migrants will settle in the major cities.
What I really wonder about is how this will effect tourism. I would think that countries like France, England, Italy, and Germany especially would have a large portion of their GDP made up due to tourism and tourism related businesses.
Will they still have middle class families and college students wanting to vacation or travel abroad when these major cities look more like Somalia or Afghanistan? I kind of doubt it.
Quote:In the summer and autumn of 376, tens of thousands[citation needed] of displaced Goths and other tribes arrived on the Danube River, on the border of the Roman Empire, requesting asylum from the Huns. Fritigern, a leader of the Thervingi, appealed to the Roman emperor Valens to be allowed to settle with his people on the south bank of the Danube, where they hoped to find refuge from the Huns, who lacked the ability to cross the wide river in force. Valens permitted this, and even helped the Goths cross the river,probably at the fortress of Durostorum (modern Silistra), Bulgaria.
Valens promised the Goths farming land, grain rations, and protection under the Roman armies as foederati. His major reasons for quickly accepting the Goths into Roman territory were to increase the size of his army, and to gain a new tax base to increase his treasury.[citation needed] The selection of Goths that were allowed to cross the Danube was unforgiving: the weak, old, and sickly were left on the far bank to fend for themselves against the Huns.[citation needed] The ones that crossed were supposed to have their weapons confiscated;however, the Romans in charge accepted bribes to allow the Goths to retain their weapons.
With so many people in such a small area, famine struck the Goths, and Rome was unable to supply them with either the food they were promised or the land; they herded the Goths into a temporary holding area surrounded by an armed Roman garrison. There was only enough grain left for the Roman garrison, and so they simply let the Goths starve. The Romans provided a grim alternative: the trade of slaves (often children and young women) for dog meat. When Fritigern appealed to Valens for help, he was told that his people would find food and trade in the markets of the distant city of Marcianople. Having no alternative, some of the Goths trekked south in a death march, losing the sickly and old along the path.
When they finally reached Marcianople's gates, they were barred by the city's military garrison and denied entry; to add insult to injury, the Romans unsuccessfully tried to assassinate the Goth leaders during a banquet. Open revolt began. The main body of Goths spent the rest of 376 and early 377 near the Danube plundering food from the immediate region. Roman garrisons were able to defend isolated forts but most of the country was vulnerable to Gothic plunder.
The War
In late winter 377 war began in earnest and would last for six years before peace would be restored in 382. The remaining Goths moved south from the Danube to Marcianople, and next appeared near Adrianople. The Roman response was to send a force under Valens to meet and defeat the Goths. In 378 Valens moved north from Constantinople and was defeated (and himself killed) at the Battle of Adrianople (378) (modern Edirne). The victory gave the Goths freedom to roam at will, plundering throughout Thrace for the rest of 378. In 379 the Goths met only light Roman resistance and advanced north-west into Dacia, plundering that region.
In 380 the Goths divided into Terving and Greuthung armies, in part because of the difficulty of keeping such a large number supplied. The Greuthungi moved north into Pannonia where they were defeated by western emperor Gratian. The Tervingi under Fritigern moved south and east to Macedonia, where they took "protection money" from towns and cities rather than sacking them outright. In 381, forces of the western Empire drove the Goths back to Thrace, where finally in 382, peace was made on October 3.
(09-25-2015 06:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)iop890 Wrote: German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees
Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.
On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.
Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.
But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.
What is amazing is how regular Germans are just rolling over for this. The reason this is happening in Europe and not America is strictly because Americans are armed, by the way. America can only be killed over a long period of time with regular illegal immigration, Europe can just get the ramrod approach and Europeans are completely unable to stop their government.
(09-25-2015 06:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)iop890 Wrote: German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees
Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.
On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.
Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.
But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.
What is amazing is how regular Germans are just rolling over for this. The reason this is happening in Europe and not America is strictly because Americans are armed, by the way. America can only be killed over a long period of time with regular illegal immigration, Europe can just get the ramrod approach and Europeans are completely unable to stop their government.
(09-25-2015 08:09 PM)Grodin Wrote: I've been reading about the migrant issue on a gaming forum that has a large number of European posters. Most of them, including the Germans, seem to be very upset with the German leaders. For what that's worth