Looks like there's been a war lol.

(09-23-2015 11:07 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  I find this laughable. We mind as well say a surfer isn't a white guy archetype too.

Whats even more laughable is that you think a black guy can't be a surfer.

Anyways i'll bite. I'm not picking sides but I don't think he ever said that a black guy can't be a surfer. He just said or implied that surfing is a white guy thing.




Regarding the "mysterious guy", I agree that it's a "white" archetype. Not saying a non-white guy can't be any of these but culturally these are "white" archetypes and the majority of guys who are these archetypes (surf/mysterious/intriguing/frat/intellectual/etc) are white.

@ DiscoBoi

Of course i am not surprised you managed to find some "criticism" to level against that video.

Here is another one, i am sure you will find some "criticism" to throw at it too.

This one showcase a dark skinned and somewhat "ugly-face" blackman going around kissing hot white chicks. His hair is very nappy, greasy, combed back afro too.





In the next video below, the same black dude went head to head with a clearly good looking white guy in a game of "kiss me or slap me".

Most of their targets are white girls. 98% of them.

Interesting comparison, to see who gets the most kisses from the white girls in the video. The good looking white guy or the dark skinned, "ugly-face" black guy with nappy, greasy afro? Take a look.

(09-23-2015 07:19 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 05:24 PM)MaxJames Wrote:  @ iso and discoboi.

You two are working overtime to prove the "sky is falling" for black guys. Nitpicking here and there, looking for all sorts of reasons to justify your view.

Good riddance to you both.

This is way off topic. This is about the origin of the phrase.

Among white races (particularly within historical Hollywood), it referred to a leading man who had dark hair and very tanned or olive skin (Italian, Spaniard, Greek). That's where it originate the phrase and it always historically referred to them.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with the videos. The first few videos you shouldn't take at face value. You have to take into consideration the backlash they would get if they said "no" in front of a camera. The last few videos, I don't really know what you're trying to prove. There are black guys with white girl, it's not impossible but it's only a small percent. There are just as many white guys/white girls couple but that's the norm, that's why most don't talk about it or how there aren't videos/pages about these pairings.

The videos don't mean anything, a lot of stuff on YouTube is staged.

I speak from real world experience, a guy that has been close to 30 countries.
I have been to America quite a few times, not for any long duration. The racial divide does seem strong down there, I feel for you guys who seem to suffer from an inferiority complex.

I never in my 40+ years associated the word mysterious with any race, a person who doesn't talk a lot or moves a certain way is mysterious to me. To be honest most white guys I meet, once they realize you are cool. They will open up and tell you their life story.

We can argue semantics, but is this the place for it. So what if white guys are mysterious, surfers etc. Who cares? What value does it bring to this discussion.

Tell us a story, anything. Do you realize how weak some of you guys sound?

Moma, I would bet the farm that those dudes haven't left America.

Real talk I think some of these detractors aren't even Black.

(09-23-2015 09:18 PM)the high Wrote:  Real talk I think some of these detractors aren't even Black.

When black men date out or seek better options, it's politics. Always remember that.

I was at work today and during my break, I decided to do a few approaches. About 90 percent of the women were white. And fairly attractive. And they all were very receptive and open to giving out their numbers. Let's see if I can get them out.

I will admit that my game was very sharp and I was in a great mood, but while I was doing my thing, I thought about this thread. I thought about random trolls popping up claiming black men do this or that. It's too funny. It's to dissuade you from giving it your all when you're out in the field. They're trying to make you "settle" for what it "acceptable" or what you think you can get.

Even if these guys are black and simply struggling with women/game, they never talk about their approaches, merely some hypothetical bullshit. It's comical. White archetype? Black archetype? There is some truth to it, but does not have nearly as much impact as some of you are making it out to be.

Also, when you guys cover style in the podcast, can you please talk a bit about dressing casually. Or hitting up the venues without seeming too dressy. It seems that a lot of stuff I wear is too rigid. I want to be able to wear a lot of the same casual elements everywhere.

(09-23-2015 08:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  . To be honest most white guys I meet, once they realize you are cool. They will open up and tell you their life story.

That is the one benefit I feel that I have as a black man. Others see me as cool so they are very friendly to me. Maybe its because I don't look intimidating, but most people I interact with seem to open up with me if I ask questions. You can get some really good insights if you ask people the right questions.

I met a lot of cool friendly people overseas that made me change my perspective as a black man. In America, you are self conscious about race whenever anything goes wrong. Did she reject me because Im black? Did they look away because I'm black? Did I get rejected at the job interview because I'm black? But in Europe I never felt that I was being judged as a black man. People talked to me like a normal person. I thought I would get stares when I walked the streets of Budapest. In reality, no one looked at me. No one grabbed a purse when I walked by. No one quickly moved out of my way. I felt like a normal person.

(09-23-2015 05:12 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  What exactly is "game" to you?

The definition of game is simple: psychological superiority.

Or the fancy way of putting it: psycho-social dominance (heartiste).

Game means using framing techniques, rewards and punishments, social proof, confidence, scarcity, agree and amplify and a host of other tools and advanced concepts I won't go into but hopefully you get the picture.

My point is, you and your "black guy pity party" rat pack (iso, rickywax, ballons, etc) don't really fully understand game so your application and results are limited. So now your falling back on excuses and game denialism. Fact is, you need game to deal successfully with American girls, point blank. The better you understand it, the better overall. Black guys even more, but doesn't matter if your black, green, brown or blue, you need it.

So like sourcecode said, just STFU, sit your ass down somewhere and learn something. That's what this forum is for.

(09-24-2015 01:38 AM)Iso Wrote:  That is the one benefit I feel that I have as a black man. Others see me as cool so they are very friendly to me. Maybe its because I don't look intimidating, but most people I interact with seem to open up with me if I ask questions. You can get some really good insights if you ask people the right questions.

I met a lot of cool friendly people overseas that made me change my perspective as a black man. In America, you are self conscious about race whenever anything goes wrong. Did she reject me because Im black? Did they look away because I'm black? Did I get rejected at the job interview because I'm black? But in Europe I never felt that I was being judged as a black man. People talked to me like a normal person. I thought I would get stares when I walked the streets of Budapest. In reality, no one looked at me. No one grabbed a purse when I walked by. No one quickly moved out of my way. I felt like a normal person.

I think a lot like this also. Never about women rejecting me but with other life decisions. Is this an American thing? Or are any of you other guys like that also? I'm especially that way when it comes to job interviews, it doesn't make me act differently but sometimes I do wonder.

Overall here in the states we have to stop putting these white women on pedestal. I love night game, and I'm always going to some type of club on the weekend. Sometimes I'll meet up with a girl I've met off Tinder or elsewhere and if she's white, as soon as I step off to the bathroom 4 or 5 dudes will try to holla. I rarely ever see guys going after the sisters like that. I'm starting to wonder why it's that way now but I've been thinking....if you're an African-American male and you come from a middle-class family, most likely throughout your life you're probably one of 5 black kids in class of 25 or so....most the girls in your class are probably white. In your younger years, I'm sure you're most likely going to have a white female teachers and with the shortage of teachers we have now, the chances are high that she'll be young just out of college and who knows maybe even attractive (I've definitely had my share of them). And it'll probably be like that until you finish college.

Instead of coming to the forum to whine and complain, I came here to learn. TravelerKai dished out some knowledge about this maneuver called "second pass." - I use it all the time. The very first podcast from Moma and Rudebwoy mentions improving yourself, and I believe Rudebwoy said that he realized he can only control what he does and not worry about other people. Him saying that finally encouraged me to start working out. I'm not out here lifting weights and trying to get big like most dudes, but I exercise 4 days a week, doing cardio, weighted pull-ups and other calisthenics and my notch count has increased. I remember Jariel saying that he never gives out compliments, I've implemented that into my game, and it has worked wonders, especially with a LTR I've been stringing along. I actually went out the other day and a black girl stepped in front of me and asked me if I could move back a little to give her some space, I just looked at her and said "The fuck? You can move out of my way." Every other time I saw her that night she grabbed at me and gave me a dance. If that was me a few years earlier, I probably would've politely moved out of the way.

^Jayesco - +1 from me amigo.

You are starting to adapt the right attitude and the results will continue to come.

Working on the inner game can be the toughest part.

(09-23-2015 08:22 PM)MaxJames Wrote:  @ DiscoBoi

Of course i am not surprised you managed to find some "criticism" to level against that video.

Here is another one, i am sure you will find some "criticism" to throw at it too.

This one showcase a dark skinned and somewhat "ugly-face" blackman going around kissing hot white chicks. His hair is very nappy, greasy, combed back afro too.





In the next video below, the same black dude went head to head with a clearly good looking white guy in a game of "kiss me or slap me".

Most of their targets are white girls. 98% of them.

Interesting comparison, to see who gets the most kisses from the white girls in the video. The good looking white guy or the dark skinned, "ugly-face" black guy with nappy, greasy afro? Take a look.






You two are working overtime to prove the "sky is falling" for black guys.

LMAO. I know the British Black guy personality and was his wingman gaming on a grip of women in Hollywood Blvd one night. The key to him is not taking rejections personally, and playing the numbers game. There's a decent percentage of White women who are open to Black guys, and kept approaching until he found that one.

Some of these dudes like Discoboi and Balloon(Which I'm guessing is the same guy) have this defeatist mentality about gaming White Girls. Because White women have been the easiest to game by far for me. Latinas and Asians tend to be more tribal, while most of the Black women I'm attracted to don't really dig my nerdy type of vibe.

I can't post the White women I've fucked and dated because of the new rules. But some of the pity partiers on here would be in awe of some of females I've banged.
And I'm really a Justin Wayne nerdliy type of Black guy.

It's just a percentage game. But if you keep approaching. You will find one out there.

Whats the second pass technique?

(09-24-2015 02:16 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  My point is, you and your "black guy pity party" rat pack (iso, rickywax, ballons, etc) don't really fully understand game so your application and results are limited. So now your falling back on excuses and game denialism. Fact is, you need game to deal successfully with American girls, point blank. The better you understand it, the better overall. Black guys even more, but doesn't matter if your black, green, brown or blue, you need it.

So like sourcecode said, just STFU, sit your ass down somewhere and learn something. That's what this forum is for.

Please show me where I have been making "excuses". As I already know, game is a must to deal with american girls especially if you're black because most aren't into black guys unless we're focused on specifically the small percent. As I said before, I have a friend that looks like B Cooper who has no game whatsoever and he pulls more hot girls then any guy i've seen and known who had good game. The reason for this is because while game is important, things out of our control like type of girls/venues we go to factor into our results. Places I go to are white and the girls there are looking for white guys, so while I can possibly pull, I would have to put more work/game while having less options.

From what I've read, is that balloons brought up how there is a different dynamic in game for black guys, rickywax was actually advocating game but it seems people were ignoring that fact and iso is just asking questions.

(09-24-2015 05:32 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  Some of these dudes like Discoboi and Balloon(Which I'm guessing is the same guy) have this defeatist mentality about gaming White Girls. Because White women have been the easiest to game by far for me. Latinas and Asians tend to be more tribal, while most of the Black women I'm attracted to don't really dig my nerdy type of vibe.

Now where do I have this "defeatist" mentality? If you guys haven't read my posts, i've mentioned a few times that I have pull white girls. Actually most of my lays are white but I actively approach white girls and approach a lot of them to get the results I have. If I were to give a percent then it's very low, also keep in mind i'm talking about white girls whom aren't into black guys as that's the type I mainly game. If I gamed only the white girls that were more "hood" or just into black culture more then her own then my percent would be higher.

For me, the easiest is white women but that's because there's a certain subsets of white women. At the same time they're also the hardest just like asians and latinas because certain types are into a specific guy. That's the great thing about them compared to black girls. There are many different types of white girls so they all have a different type of ideal guy dependent on what type they are. There's no other types among black girls so they only tend to like one type of guy. It doesn't matter if she's a hood rat or "successful", they still stick with the same type of guy.

(09-24-2015 05:32 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  It's just a percentage game. But if you keep approaching. You will find one out there.

Exactly. But all i'm saying is the percent is going to be relatively lower then other guys dependent on what type of girl you approach.

(09-24-2015 05:32 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  I can't post the White women I've fucked and dated because of the new rules. But some of the pity partiers on here would be in awe of some of females I've banged.
And I'm really a Justin Wayne nerdliy type of Black guy.

Unless you've met me, please don't assume that you're pulling better then me. Now I have very high standards so I most likely wont be in "awe" if you showed me.

It sounds like, white women are your problem.
When there is a problem. Get rid of it.

(09-24-2015 07:32 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  For me, the easiest is white women but that's because there's a certain subsets of white women. At the same time they're also the hardest just like asians and latinas because certain types are into a specific guy. That's the great thing about them compared to black girls. There are many different types of white girls so they all have a different type of ideal guy dependent on what type they are. There's no other types among black girls so they only tend to like one type of guy. It doesn't matter if she's a hood rat or "successful", they still stick with the same type of guy.

^This. I have been all over the country and Black women are just cookie cutter. They have the same problems with single motherhood, obesity, loser chasing, ratchedness for the most part wherever you go, even among the middle class and sometimes wealthy. With white women you get variety. And I'm not trying to turn this into a black woman bashing fest (I have dated black girls in the past) but its just frustrating having to deal with their nonsense and their mess which society has to clean up. They claim they are "strong" and "independent", all until grandma and grandpa have to foot the bill for the kids. We are called self hating for marrying white women. To me, there is no greater self hatred than procreating and making the "leaders" of your family the worst of your race, which black women do. People blame black men for placing white women on a pedestal, when in reality that's because they represent the only decent chance at a relationship. Like someone said earlier, Asian and Latina women are tribal, and when they do break out of their "tribe", they almost always go to white men. Their families are even more intolerant of black guys than white familes are. And many black women in this country have gone to the crapper.

And I agree with the above posters that Game can break a lot of barriers, but dealing with public perception is a bitch. My dates and notch counts have increased ever since I took the Red Pill and found game, but I have lost black girls who "liked" me but couldn't see themselves with me long term because I didn't fit their stereotype, and white girls who also "liked" me and even had sex with me but didn't want to deal with me long term due to our racial society.

(09-23-2015 08:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I speak from real world experience, a guy that has been close to 30 countries.
I have been to America quite a few times, not for any long duration. The racial divide does seem strong down there, I feel for you guys who seem to suffer from an inferiority complex.

It does, and I hope some of our foreign posters on this thread can take it easy on the American guys and see where they are coming from. The racial divide is real here. I'm not trying to complain or make excuses; I see interracial couples almost daily even here in D.C. But that offsets the amount of work we have to put in plus dealing with American society in general being an interracial couple. I have been cockblocked and sneered at several times while out with non-black women from both sides. I've given thoughts to going hunting in Canada or even Europe for something long term and there are sites out there such as internationalcupid.com where you can do this online and the girls' profiles indicate whether they want to leave their country or not for a relationship. Just be prepared for the barrage of Filipinas flooding your inbox (if that's your thing).

(09-24-2015 07:42 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  It sounds like, white women are your problem.
When there is a problem. Get rid of it.

Anytime anybody complains again about their "western white women problem", either they are hispanic, black, asian, or white men on this forum. I will simply send them this post:

"It sounds like, white women are your problem.

When there is a problem. Get rid of it."

Absolutely priceless.

MdWanderer - I appreciate your honesty and that was the main reason why we started the podcast. I am not here to bash or make fun of anyone, I know the racial divide is real. The main question is what are you prepared to do about it?

People will still stare when you are with a hot bitch overseas, why would I expect less! I am with one of "their" hot chicks, who should be dating one of their local guys.
Even you answered your own questions. You stated once you swallowed the Red Pill then you got better results. So what exactly changed about you? Your mindset changed and you minimized your negative thoughts.

DiscoBoi - I know others are choosing to ignore you, but all your posts come across as weak. You have twice mentioned your white friend who has no "game", it sounds to me that he has game. He has DGAF game and uses the strongest weapon in his arsenal, that is simply to ignore bitches.

There are two subsets of women - those who are DTF you and those that are not.

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

(09-25-2015 09:08 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  MdWanderer - I appreciate your honesty and that was the main reason why we started the podcast. I am not here to bash or make fun of anyone, I know the racial divide is real. The main question is what are you prepared to do about it?

People will still stare when you are with a hot bitch overseas, why would I expect less! I am with one of "their" hot chicks, who should be dating one of their local guys.
Even you answered your own questions. You stated once you swallowed the Red Pill then you got better results. So what exactly changed about you? Your mindset changed and you minimized your negative thoughts.

It's all good, I understand you weren't making fun of anybody. I was just letting people know that if some of the American guys come off as "complaining", that's why. But I do see this country changing in some parts. I saw atleast a dozen of black guys with fine women of all races when I was out in D.C yesterday with a few forum members. And not a single one of them fit the "stereotype", they looked well dressed and professional. D.C gets a lot of crap but I saw differently yesterday.

But that's what this forum is for, self improvement. I think guys come on here blue pilled and bring that philosophy with them and aren't aware of the benefits of improving themselves.

(09-26-2015 08:18 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

I'm saying that white guys AND black guys suffer pretty equally in LA since the lizards are choosing based on how famous a guy is not how black or white he is.

(09-26-2015 01:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 08:18 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

I'm saying that white guys AND black guys suffer pretty equally in LA since the lizards are choosing based on how famous a guy is not how black or white he is.

How is the scene in Orange County, CA? A lot of the girls I met from there were sweet.

(09-26-2015 01:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 08:18 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

I'm saying that white guys AND black guys suffer pretty equally in LA since the lizards are choosing based on how famous a guy is not how black or white he is.

Haha after rereading it I understood it now. I guess I shouldn't have had a few drinks. Thanks for the reply anyways.

Anyways I live in LA and I think this is a bit extreme since majority of women aren't around celebrities so they're not choosing base off of their fame.

(09-26-2015 01:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 08:18 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

I'm saying that white guys AND black guys suffer pretty equally in LA since the lizards are choosing based on how famous a guy is not how black or white he is.

This is a little far fetch. How many guys are famous period? It's an extremely small percent.

Race is still a factor here overall. It's like saying you know a 5'2 guy with a woman and say that height doesn't matter. As I said, black and white guys suffer but I never said they were suffering equally here tho. White guys still relatively do better as a whole.

^ The culture is superficial and shallow in LA. Being a good looking guy with a nice body and tan in LA is more important then say DC. It wears you down when you see white or latin guys with little game or none at all with better girls.

(09-26-2015 10:42 PM)TreeBark Wrote:  ^ The culture is superficial and shallow in LA. Being a good looking guy with a nice body and tan in LA is more important then say DC. It wears you down when you see white or latin guys with little game or none at all with better girls.

I've already talked about something similar in previous posts, so no need to tell me something I already know. Most girls aren't into black guys in the first place, so that's why we have to bring more to the table then those white guys you see. We got to have our A game, style, whatever. Or you can just game those small niche fetish types.

This reminds me of what Chris Rock said,

Quote:In my neighborhood, there are four Black people. Hundreds of houses, four Black people. Who are these Black people? Well, there’s me, Mary J. Blige, Jay-Z and Eddie Murphy. Only Black people in the whole neighborhood. So let’s break it down, let’s break it down: me, I’m a decent comedian. I’m a’ight. Mary J. Blige, one of the greatest R&B singers to ever walk the Earth. Jay-Z, one of the greatest rappers to ever live. Eddie Murphy, one of the funniest actors to ever, ever do it. Do you know what the White man who lives next door to me does for a living? He’s a f**king dentist! He ain’t the best dentist in the world…he ain’t going to the Dental Hall of Fame…he don’t get plaques for getting rid of plaque. He’s just a yank-your-tooth-out dentist. I had to host the Oscars to get that house — a black dentist in my neighborhood would have to invent teeth. See, the Black man gotta fly to get to somethin’ the White man can walk to!

(09-26-2015 10:20 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 01:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 08:18 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Can you elaborate on this. I'm a little confused with what you're trying to say?

Thanks.

I'm saying that white guys AND black guys suffer pretty equally in LA since the lizards are choosing based on how famous a guy is not how black or white he is.

This is a little far fetch. How many guys are famous period? It's an extremely small percent.

Race is still a factor here overall. It's like saying you know a 5'2 guy with a woman and say that height doesn't matter. As I said, black and white guys suffer but I never said they were suffering equally here tho. White guys still relatively do better as a whole.

So my question being at this point are you going to be one of those guys whom are successful or one of those guys saying let me complain about how bad this is and do nothing? If you have the time to say how much it sucks to be black and not do as well as white guys then you might as well sign yourself off to a life of celibacy.

We've acknowledged that it's harder yes? We are also saying who cares if it's harder go out and do it anyways. Life isn't something that's on easy mode. You have to actually work to get result irrespective of race. Deal with it.

(09-26-2015 11:22 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:42 PM)TreeBark Wrote:  ^ The culture is superficial and shallow in LA. Being a good looking guy with a nice body and tan in LA is more important then say DC. It wears you down when you see white or latin guys with little game or none at all with better girls.

I've already talked about something similar in previous posts, so no need to tell me something I already know. Most girls aren't into black guys in the first place, so that's why we have to bring more to the table then those white guys you see. We got to have our A game, style, whatever. Or you can just game those small niche fetish types.

This reminds me of what Chris Rock said,

Quote:In my neighborhood, there are four Black people. Hundreds of houses, four Black people. Who are these Black people? Well, there’s me, Mary J. Blige, Jay-Z and Eddie Murphy. Only Black people in the whole neighborhood. So let’s break it down, let’s break it down: me, I’m a decent comedian. I’m a’ight. Mary J. Blige, one of the greatest R&B singers to ever walk the Earth. Jay-Z, one of the greatest rappers to ever live. Eddie Murphy, one of the funniest actors to ever, ever do it. Do you know what the White man who lives next door to me does for a living? He’s a f**king dentist! He ain’t the best dentist in the world…he ain’t going to the Dental Hall of Fame…he don’t get plaques for getting rid of plaque. He’s just a yank-your-tooth-out dentist. I had to host the Oscars to get that house — a black dentist in my neighborhood would have to invent teeth. See, the Black man gotta fly to get to somethin’ the White man can walk to!

So are you saying you're such an ugly guy that you would appeal to only a niche of women that are white? I truly do feel bad for you.