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(09-12-2015 11:39 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Turkey is a controlled puppet country.

The west has always had them under their thumb.

Yes. This was the result of WW1.

But if Turkey falls to ISIS as the West goes broke, bets are off the table.

Fact is, the Western Elites aren't as all-knowing as some people think they are. It's obvious they are losing control of the situation are just trying to delay any pain.

(09-12-2015 02:59 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 10:18 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  You know what, It's going to get only worse if Turkey gets destabilized. You may hate him, but Erdogan has similar traits to Gadhafi, he's doing his best to keep the country together. Yet the usual western media is calling him a dictator, sultan even though he got elected fair and square. Imagine Turkey becoming the next Syria, you're gonna have millions of thirsty guys crossing over the Ipsala border into Greece, and from there to rest of Europe. Considering that Turkey has a population of around 80 million, Europe might very well become the next hub of islam if this country is destabilized.

Don't believe the things the western media is throwing at you about Turkey, right now we're fighting a war against terror, everyday Turkish soldiers are losing their lives battling the Marxist-Leninist pro Kurdish terrorist organization, the PKK. Yet the PKK has a lot of support from Europe, these guys are playing with fire! I just hope that Trump gets elected, all of this mess happened because of USA's passive middle eastern policy.

Can't believe there isn't a topic on Turkey here, but this country is close to destabilization, bombs are blowing up everyday. If the government loses its authority at least 10 million people from Turkey will flee to Europe, this migrant crisis is nothing compared to what might happen in the near distant future.

is all one has to say about your claims.

You know fully well that Erdogan triggered this conflict that Turkey is in (bombs blowing up every day and soldiers dying) only because he couldn't win the last election because of the Kurdish party gaining 80 parliamentary seats and he needed to discredit the Kurdish party by starting a campaign against Kurds. (And no, I'm not Kurdish)

He prevented the opposition parties from forming a coalition government, he made his puppet prime minister decide to hold early elections on November, therefore he has time until November to throw mud on the Kurdish party, raise nationalism among the voters, decrease the Kurdish party votes from %13 to below %10, prevent them from entering the parliament in November elections (election threshold is 10% in Turkey) and thus re-form his party's single-party government via his puppet prime minister. Erdogan started all this conflict and he wants this to go on and get messier every day until the elections which he will win and end this conflict and then take the credit for bringing peace to Turkey. In fact, a few days ago he announced that Turkey wouldn't have been in this conflict had his party gained 400 parliamentary seats and this conflict is bound to end if and when his party gains 400 seats.

I don't want to derail this thread, so if you want to learn more about the Turkey situation you can open a thread and I will tell you all about these devious plans. For now, all you should know is that you shouldn't take this ''Turkish Republican''s word for it and that Erdogan is a psychopathic power-drunk warmonger who is driving Turkey to a dark abyss.

The Kurdish party you're referring to is HDP, it is a puppet party of PKK. PKK is a terrorist organization, imagine a party linked to Al Qaeda being set up here in the states. They do not deserve a place in the parliament, the only place they deserve is a prison like the one in Midnight Express.

They started the conflict to discredit Erdogan in the international arena, you do not have valid points, all of your claims are based on conspiracy theories. The only fact you got right is Davutoglu being a puppet of Erdogan, I can't disagree on that.

Yesterday in Frankfurt, Germany - and this is only a fight between Kurds and Turks.
No media coverage about this in EU media.

I appreciate your commentary on the Libyan situation. That has allowed me to know that our government is completely hijacked. Not to be inflammatory, but that also makes me unsure if anything short of an armed rebellion will straighten the united states out.

I've been speaking to a lot of from Europe and the Mideast about current situations going on and have monitored some conflicts for years. I know Turkey isn't a bad place at all. They wanted to join the EU at one point. At first I believed the EU turned them down for money reasons looking for "human rights violations" or other excuses. Now I know it's because they couldn't whip the EU into the same defeatist agenda if east European countries and Turkey had gotten in.


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Now this part is very important to me.

I want to believe your commentary on Turkey's destabilization, but I also have Kurdish friends left in Iraq. I watched much of the small spectrum news coming out of the area about the battles the peshmerga fighting in Iraq and the spill over in Syria. Them not having a state concerns me about a genocide against them just as the Yazidi's are being erased by ISIS. I know Turkey has historic ties with fighting Kurds, so your validity does concern me. It's nothing against just, like I said, I have friends left over there.

So can you answer several questions so we can be informed?

-Please clarify and verify the situation going on at the southern Turkish border.
-What the hell does PKK stand for?
-How many Kurdish factions are fighting and what do they represent? -How did this become a flashpoint?
-What is Edrogans plan, and the common Turkish goal for what they plan to do with the Kurd minorities?
-What is the true situation of what's going on in Turkey?
-What does the western media have right and wrong?
-What is mostly not known to the outside?

and someone page TurkishCandy on this. I need two opinions.

(09-12-2015 10:18 AM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  You know what, It's going to get only worse if Turkey gets destabilized. You may hate him, but Erdogan has similar traits to Gadhafi, he's doing his best to keep the country together. Yet the usual western media is calling him a dictator, sultan even though he got elected fair and square. Imagine Turkey becoming the next Syria, you're gonna have millions of thirsty guys crossing over the Ipsala border into Greece, and from there to rest of Europe. Considering that Turkey has a population of around 80 million, Europe might very well become the next hub of islam if this country is destabilized.

Don't believe the things the western media is throwing at you about Turkey, right now we're fighting a war against terror, everyday Turkish soldiers are losing their lives battling the Marxist-Leninist pro Kurdish terrorist organization, the PKK. Yet the PKK has a lot of support from Europe, these guys are playing with fire! I just hope that Trump gets elected, all of this mess happened because of USA's passive middle eastern policy.

Can't believe there isn't a topic on Turkey here, but this country is close to destabilization, bombs are blowing up everyday. If the government loses its authority at least 10 million people from Turkey will flee to Europe, this migrant crisis is nothing compared to what might happen in the near distant future.

Nigel Farage thinks the United Kingdom's EU referendum will be held in March. And he's never been wrong when it comes to EU stuff.

Quote:JUNCKER IS DOING TO EUROPE WHAT BLAIR DID TO BRITAIN, IMPORTING VOTERS

This week in Strasbourg there was Commission President Jean Claude-Juncker’s first State of the Union speech. He did as he said and made an intensely political speech. Most of the focus was on the current migration crisis or as Mr Juncker and his friends in Brussels call it, ‘the refugee crisis’.

I had warned back in April that I believed the implementation of the EU Common Asylum Policy had set the bounds so wide that virtually anyone who sets foot on European Union (EU) soil can stay. In order for this policy to work, the concept of burden-sharing between member states is vital. Juncker’s first pitch at this was in May this year with 40,000 migrants to be shared out.

This week the figure had increased to 160,000, still only a fraction of those who have come. I still believe that many member states will be deeply reluctant to join this scheme and that Juncker has a real crisis in holding these nation states together.

But the real surprise was a short paragraph on a Common EU Immigration policy. All the old arguments were used: Europe’s population was in decline and ageing and therefore immigration into Europe was vital. Indeed his predecessor, Manuel Barroso, once suggested that the EU may need as many 50 million migrants.

But the real shock of the announcement is that Juncker said detailed proposals would be presented in the spring. He also talked about the British renegotiation, joking that Cameron was a British European to which I did added: “you bet he is!”

Juncker made it clear that some form of deregulation package would be prepared. But equally he said that the free movement of workers would not be touched.

All of this is a nightmare for Cameron. A Common EU Immigration policy that gives people a green card is not designed to be a work permit scheme. It is designed for people to settle and very soon to become naturalised EU citizens.

This is important for Mr Juncker and his friends because as the European Union loses popularity with its electorates, what better way to prop up EU support than vast numbers of first generation pro-EU migrants.

It is all reminiscent of what Blair did in Britain and exposed why Labour are so strong in London.

Mr. Cameron’s problem is that whilst he will no doubt say we are opting out of the common immigration policy, once migrants become naturalised they will have the automatic right to come to Britain. And this proposal once presented next spring is likely to dominate the EU debate next year.

For a Prime Minister who wants to convince the electorate that removing a few social benefits from migrants is enough to convince the British to remain members of the borderless EU, this could not have come at a worse time.

Indeed I now think, though I’m by no means certain, that there is now a much greater likelihood of this referendum being announced in Cameron’s conference speech with the referendum being held in March.

Whether this hunch is right or not, I’m pleased that my own Say No to EU tour launched this week in Margate. With nearly 1,500 people attending it was a heartening start to the campaign and I’m going to make sure that even more dates than previously planned will be going in my diary. We haven’t a moment to lose.

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Aside from governing our own country and controlling our borders, our private polling shows that the third most important issue for British voters is the sheer cost of the thing. We pay £55 million per day to be a member of a club whose accounts have not had a clean bill of help from the auditors for 19 years.

But a few further hammer blows this week. First, that the cost of dispersing Mr. Juncker’s 160,000 migrants will fall on the UK even though we are opted out of the EU’s Common Asylum policy. Some estimates put this cost at a huge £90 million.

In addition, as reported by Breitbart London, after all the grand gestures of Mr Cameron saying he wouldn’t hand the EU another £1.7 billion, it looks like he’s capitulated yet again and handed over even more British taxpayers’ cash to Brussels.

Much of what has emanated from the EU this week could only be described as a gift.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/...ng-voters/

Although, Juncker has said that UK will probably leave and EU will survive without them, I don't agree. If and when UK leaves, it's over.

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Tony,

PKK stands for Kurdistan Workers Party. It was established in 1982 with the aim of forming a Marxist-Leninist independent Kurdish State. They fought a guerilla warfare against the Turkish government in the hopes of building their dream state. I'd say about 20-25% of the Kurds in Turkey support the idea of an independent Kurdish state. Erdogan gave these Kurds freedoms they could only dream of, before Erdogans rule stating that you're a kurd was a punishable offense. The state did not even acknowledge their existence. The government even set up a channel only broadcasting in Kurdish. But the more he gave, the more they wanted, just like the migrants in the EU.

To be honest, no one knows what the PKK wants right now, last time I checked they made a statement that they no longer wanted an independent Kurdish state.

The PKK separatists are represented in the parliament right now by your typical SJW political party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples%27...y_(Turkey)

This is their party, it is the puppet party of the PKK. They are basically pro kurdish, pro feminism, pro other types of BS. Selahattin Demirtas is the leader of this party, his brother is a member of the PKK and member of their paramilitary squad fighting against the government in an armed conflict. This party has huge support from the SJW community of Turkey, basically all the losers in the society support it including the separatist kurds.

I will stop debating with Turkish Candy, he has very valid points, but as he said, it will only derail this wonderful thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znrNJbgePdE

Thousands protest migrant invasion in Warsaw, Poland today. People here are not welcoming the "refugees."

Euronews of course reported that only "300" people attended the rally. The level of propaganda in the western media today would make the Soviet's Pravda blush.

Side note: In my opinion protesters are not doing themselves any favors holding right-wing looking crosses. Just falling right into the hands of the media's "nazi" narrative.

On another note, posted about the crisis on Facebook and have over 110 comments and counting. Everyone who commented (note the thread was in Polish) agreed accepting these migrants is a terrible mistake. One girl disagreed at first, but I bombed her with articles on Rotherham and Islamic rape statistics in Sweden, and her opinion quickly changed.

Meanwhile Germany banned a protest against the idiocy.

This is seriously reaching critical mass in a stunning period of time. The American colonists started a full-fledged revolution over much less than what's happening in Europe right now.

In a similar vein, I saw a Confederate flag in that crowd.

(09-12-2015 05:05 PM)AFS Wrote:  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znrNJbgePdE

0:48

(09-12-2015 08:00 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Swedish guy saying lot of sense:

Damn...watched a few of Thor's videos and they are fucking on point!

(09-12-2015 05:05 PM)AFS Wrote:  Euronews of course reported that only "300" people attended the rally.

Here is a broader view of the protest. "300 people" my ass. Poland makes me proud to be European. Can't say that about my own country. I posted some informative comments on facebook and they get deleted and I booted out the groups within 3 minutes. Had to use a fake profile of course because using my real profile could get me arrested. "Free speech" for sure. This is Stasi 2.0.

Edit.: I agree that the far-right symbols harm our cause. Same thing happens every time. Reasonable nationalists want to protest against the leftists but then the Nazis join and ruin everyone's image in the media, thus the rest of the population doesn't even think about the nationalists having a just cause.

At least a lot of pro-refugee videos get downvoted by the international community, which is encouraging.
If you have dark humor and don't like getting bullshitted, enjoy these comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfJqOBHNK3E


I always had very dark humor anyways but this whole situation made me lose all empathy. Never had it for this dude. He was well off in turkey but risked his family's life for a dentist-visit or social benefits or god knows what. Yes, his son is innocent but he's dead now and he disrespects his son because he uses his death for media-manipulation of emotional Europeans. So... fuck him.

(09-12-2015 08:00 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Swedish guy saying lot of sense:

Man, that's Lex Luger's Swedish son.
   

As a native Russian, I'm somewhat giddy about what's happening to Germany. Those fuckers caused an unconscionable amount of death and destruction to Russia in the 20th century. Not to mention that Merkel and co. have been cucking against Putin for years while sucking NATO dick.

Instead of building cool cars, looks like Germany's future will lie in building new mosques.

(09-12-2015 05:05 PM)AFS Wrote:  Euronews of course reported that only "300" people attended the rally. The level of propaganda in the western media today would make the Soviet's Pravda blush.

Absolutely. The propaganda is crazy. For anyone speaking German check out this video. They basically they if you dare to disagree with us loving refugees you are a nazi! That's some crazy talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHMzCOn2Sk

(09-12-2015 05:14 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Meanwhile Germany banned a protest against the idiocy.

This is seriously reaching critical mass in a stunning period of time. The American colonists started a full-fledged revolution over much less than what's happening in Europe right now.

In a similar vein, I saw a Confederate flag in that crowd.

Was this recent? Or was it PEGIDA?

This just in, female politician is power-hungry cunt, news at 11!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ation.html

(09-12-2015 05:46 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  As a native Russian, I'm somewhat giddy about what's happening to Germany. Those fuckers caused an unconscionable amount of death and destruction to Russia in the 20th century. Not to mention that Merkel and co. have been cucking against Putin for years while sucking NATO dick.

Instead of building cool cars, looks like Germany's future will lie in building new mosques.

I think you might want to research your history.

Germany and Russia suffered the most casualties in WW2, no other country came even close.

Dresden was a senseless bloodbath after the War had been won, good ole Churchill ordered that.

http://proliberty.com/observer/20030402.htm

(09-12-2015 03:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 11:39 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Turkey is a controlled puppet country.

The west has always had them under their thumb.

Yes. This was the result of WW1.

But if Turkey falls to ISIS as the West goes broke, bets are off the table.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantrepor...sion-home/

Turkey isn't going to fall under ISIS, the boogeyman is going after Iran once they are done with Syria.

Once that starts, WW3 will be coming to a theatre near you.

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(09-12-2015 07:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 03:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-12-2015 11:39 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Turkey is a controlled puppet country.

The west has always had them under their thumb.

Yes. This was the result of WW1.

But if Turkey falls to ISIS as the West goes broke, bets are off the table.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantrepor...sion-home/

Turkey isn't going to fall under ISIS, the boogeyman is going after Iran once they are done with Syria.

Once that starts, WW3 will be coming to a theatre near you.

Although it's possible ISIS is created and funded by the USA, such a behavior would bankrupt America very quickly so we'd find out if this true sooner rather than later. Wars are not cheap.