Down at my barbershop on the Lower East Side today. Good conversation and hooked him into doing an interview for a project in a couple of months. He's an interesting guy.

And you can tell he's worth it because he consistently has hot girls working behind his counter. I mentioned this a long time ago I think.

He has a new girl today. Her hair is short which is a turn off but as usual, she has a great body. After I was done getting my cut I go up to her and try to chat her up a bit. It needs to be handled delicately because of the atmosphere and she's often on the phone taking calls from customers. She's from Belgium it turns out, but she does not look or sound like it at all. I spat a few lines but nothing decisive came out of it, and I guess my goal at that point was to position myself to chat her up again the next time, if she's there, which I think I accomplished.

Any of you guys done something like this before? Long-form/slow burn game on girls working in places you frequent?

^ Yes bartenders and cock tail waitresses. In my experience they need to see and have at least 3 or 4 good little conversations to really put you out of the just another customer/potential stalker and into the guy I may want to bang category.

Much like a day game pick up in the fact you need to get to a point in conversation where she is willingly to start asking personal questions except it's chopped up when hitting on a working girl.

(09-08-2015 06:50 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Down at my barbershop on the Lower East Side today. Good conversation and hooked him into doing an interview for a project in a couple of months. He's an interesting guy.

And you can tell he's worth it because he consistently has hot girls working behind his counter. I mentioned this a long time ago I think.

He has a new girl today. Her hair is short which is a turn off but as usual, she has a great body. After I was done getting my cut I go up to her and try to chat her up a bit. It needs to be handled delicately because of the atmosphere and she's often on the phone taking calls from customers. She's from Belgium it turns out, but she does not look or sound like it at all. I spat a few lines but nothing decisive came out of it, and I guess my goal at that point was to position myself to chat her up again the next time, if she's there, which I think I accomplished.

Any of you guys done something like this before? Long-form/slow burn game on girls working in places you frequent?

Yes I've done this before as well... I like to do it at the mall or places I shop for clothes etc. I generally go when it's not busy so I can get more conversation and personal help from them.

My favorite is when trying on clothes. Just try it on and always ask how it looks and see how receptive they are. Also, I'll put on cologne samples on my neck. If they come very close to you and smell your neck then game on.

Saw some fame game in action last night.

One of my good mates works for a trivia company on the side and hosts trivia at a couple of pubs two nights a week. He and his wife are moving overseas next week and last night was his last gig so a few of us went along. He's been hosting trivia at this particular pub each week for 8 months or so and gets 100+ each time. You have to reserve a table if you want to attend.

I'd heard a few stories from him about getting asked out or text pics by girls who attend but I hadn't seen up close how much some of the girls are into him. Last night a couple of girls from one of the regular groups baked him a cake. One of them had also done a needle point (crocheted?) of their team name (which is a pun on his name) for him.
Then at the end of the night another girl stood up and gave a little speech saying how much shes going to miss him hosting trivia and got the crowd to give him a round of applause.

Now my mate is no looker, in fact he's fat, average height, dresses terribly and has no game and none of these girls were stunners (but then this pub is in hipsterville), some were downright fugly, however most were bangable and he was clearly making their loins tingle.

It just goes to show that even low level fame game will get you bangs.

Fame, like money, like looks, is all relative. Dating hottest girl in a smalltown is 100% awesome even though no one might notice them walking down the street in San Diego.

Went on my first OKC date last night. 19 y/o 5'2" latina, cute face, banging body. She dressed up in heels, skirt, and a small white cardigan. I was afraid I was gonna get SIF'd but she lived up to her online pics. Met at starbucks, she got something I didn't, we left and were directionlessly walking around an outdoor mall until I guided her to a local park. Found a bench, sat down and stayed there for way too long, probably around 3 hours. She was asking personal question after personal question and kept recalling things on my profile. She asked if I was into politics/philosophy, which I said not really and quickly changed the subject. Then she asked if I ever had a "bad trip" and I went into a storyline about smoking weed for the first time in 8th grade, then she said she accidently smoke a joint laced with heroin a few months back (red flag). I teased her for being a junkie and she got all defensive saying she'd never do hard drugs again But overall the conversation was seamless, time flew by and there weren't many awkward pauses. I could've been more mysterious as I answered most things straight up, but she seemed to be digging it. Surprisingly, had a lot in common as this chick liked to travel, said she was bad with technology, romanticized older generations, and we both had the same major in school. I pull her in under the guise of looking at the non-existent SoCal stars, a group of black homeless dudes walk by and comment on how "cute we are". Shortly after, I ramp up the touching and ended up with an intense public make out while I was discretely fingering her while she was hiding it from view with her sweater. I was lightly choking her/kissing her neck at random points and I brought up how so many people have adventureless sex and she opened up to being into spanking, hairpulling, 50 shades of grey stuff. Things got heated up enough that I was looking for a public bathroom to pull to but the park was barren. I gave up on going for the bang that night and started walking her back to her car. On the walk, she grabs my arm and compliments me on being in shape. Every few blocks I'll let go and wonder off to check out a store, then when I get close to her again she immediately latches back on to me. At some point, I point out a Greek restaurant and say that's one of my favorite spots. She immediately lights up and says we should go there on Friday. Get to her parking structure, plant a seed for hanging out on Friday, she seems super enthusiastic. Give her a good night kiss and head home.

I texted her this earlier today..

"hey come over on friday. you can help me cook dinner and taste test some new whiskey I got"

No response after a few hours (she's a super fast responder) and I have a gut feel this one is gone as I've been ghosted on by similar girls in the past. I know girls can flake at any time for any reason but I'm getting pretty frustrated because I've been on several dates recently that I thought I knocked out of the park only to get no response. My thoughts are I should've gone for the ZeroDateBang as sometimes making a move on a first date without getting the bang triggers their Anti-Slut Defense and even if they like you sometimes they're embarassed and go no contact. Otherwise, I know I probably came off with strong potential boyfriend vibes (been told that before; some even said it was intimidating ) which might've made things too serious if all she wanted was a quick bang?

Any advice/pointers are welcome. By the way, I'm early 20's living in LA.

Why didn't you take her back to your place?

Since I first saw this video I wanted to watch it for the game aspects involved. Obviously it is staged but it resembles many a decent night I have had over the years since actively going out on my own.





This is the type of game I relish, not because of alcohol fuel horniness but the very real sexual energy and animal attitude generated. Many men describe a loss of this feeling over the years but I still have it and enjoy it so much I have a big shit eating grin everytime I think of the experience.

Straight in, walking around fishing for looks and voila, one presents itself. No need for clown game, no need for a 'look at me' vibe or fancy dancing technique. Just a guy (attractiveness counts) on the hunt.

The girl wants a guy to fuck her well on that night and she gets it, no harm done.

Perfect video showing a declining aspect of night game.

(09-10-2015 02:01 AM)Balkan Wrote:  Shortly after, I ramp up the touching and ended up with an intense public make out while I was discretely fingering her while she was hiding it from view with her sweater. I was lightly choking her/kissing her neck at random points and I brought up how so many people have adventureless sex and she opened up to being into spanking, hairpulling, 50 shades of grey stuff. Things got heated up enough that I was looking for a public bathroom to pull to but the park was barren. I gave up on going for the bang that night and started walking her back to her car. On the walk, she grabs my arm and compliments me on being in shape. Every few blocks I'll let go and wonder off to check out a store, then when I get close to her again she immediately latches back on to me. At some point, I point out a Greek restaurant and say that's one of my favorite spots. She immediately lights up and says we should go there on Friday. Get to her parking structure, plant a seed for hanging out on Friday, she seems super enthusiastic. Give her a good night kiss and head home.

I don't know about you but I see plenty of places of fucking her.

YOU brought up the adventure less sex - yet you offered none or attempted. Now I'm a dirty mother fucker but I see lots of places:

-Bang her out in some trees/bushes
-Take her into one of the store bathrooms.
-Take her to check out that greek restaurant, grab a drink, try to bang there.
-Bang in her CAR
-Bang her the parking structure.

She loves being dominated - you need to be that dominant guy and take the risks. YOU need to guide her.

You just finger blaster her and she drops how she loves being choked and 50 shades of Grey.

She was literally handing you her pussy to deal with - you failed.

That's why she isn't responding back - you gave her a rush and stopped.

You can go radio silent on her for awhile and restart but she might good as gone.

Live and learn.

I've banged girls all over the place, I banged 2 girls at the same diner bathroom on separate occasions. I've banged a girl in a porter potty at a music festival just as examples.

Trust me I've blown it with this hot 9 latin milf, didn't escalate enough, then I had an 8 latin milf I had in my bad and didn't escalate or didn't read the signs.

I've fucked up bad man, it's a learning experience, learn from it and carry on.

As of now lay low on her, game other prospects.

So my go-to first date is always grabbing drinks somewhere. I'll occasionally encounter girls who don't drink, before I used to suggest coffee but now I'm wondering if I should suggest we still go to a bar and she just get something non-alcoholic. What do you guys do if a girl says she doesn't drink?

(09-10-2015 04:49 PM)QuietDog Wrote:  So my go-to first date is always grabbing drinks somewhere. I'll occasionally encounter girls who don't drink, before I used to suggest coffee but now I'm wondering if I should suggest we still go to a bar and she just get something non-alcoholic. What do you guys do if a girl says she doesn't drink?

Logistics comes first and is the most important thing so if your go-to first date bar is close to your place and you're comfortable there then stick with it even if the girl doesn't drink.
If there is a coffee shop or frozen yogurt place or something like that even closer to your place then you can switch to that for a girl who doesn't drink.
Just because a girl doesn't drink doesn't mean you can't meet at a bar and just because she doesn't drink coffee doesn't mean you can't meet at a coffee shop.

^This. Your number 1 priority should be logistics. I have all the alcohol I could ever drink at home. My sole purpose of going to a bar is to facilitate a bang. If the girl doesn't drink she just saved me a bunch of money in buying drinks. I'll take the $3 coffee or froyo any day and game her from there.

Fuck just on a date with a 26 year old 7.5. I unfortunately met her through campus day game.

Man I am a little buzzed but shit. Girls over 25 are just spoiled no doubts. She was a total careerist ADD for the next line in my game.

Everything was about her. I could be talking about traveling through crazy shit in India. I shut up quick to keep the attention on her.

She had other plans to before the date to leave early to hang with friends. Whether it's true I don't know either way, kissed her in the car good bye she seemed surprised by.

Any way you slice it girls over 23 in the U.S. are just tough to deal with.

She ended up how she should in my mind, she did try to sell better though. Responsive to texts, shows up to date perfectly on time. Talkative, smiley.... but still.... into herself.

Young girls are just so much better. I need to get out of SoCal. I will never find a teammate here.

Or I need to shun good looking 7+ white girls. Every single one I meet has Alpha Widow syndrome from past boyfriends or even their own family I.E. their dad is super successful in some way therefore you need to be super successful to live up to that. Yeah you can bang them. For the long term though that want that super success because they are in high enough demand, but so many end up as divorced alcoholic cat ladies.

She is hell-bent on going to NYC in the film industry in the next year... I just want to fuck her. That is what she is good for. I tire of this though. I think my soul is being worn down by a rough sand paper slowly but ever more surely.

I am repulsed by the idea for putting in more effort for a lower stock. It is absurd. White knights are the plague.

Second date with a 19 year old tonight. Online meet. 5'5 110 lbs, blonde/blue. mmmm the body.

Bang.

Finally, my cold streak ends.

^

Good stuff. How did you meet how did the logistics and bang go (i.e. the important stuff).

Where was the point you knew it was in the bag?

Some girls need to learn how to walk I've seen really attractive bitches who walk worse than clowns

Do you think its bad idea to mention previous dates when you're currently on one? Had a tinder date yesterday and she asked the typical have you been on many tinder dates question and I mentioned that I had been on one earlier in the week. Then went on to tell her how it had gone poorly because the girl had been so uninteresting and asked like three questions the whole time, all of which was true. After that point though it seemed like she was working a little harder to impress me, I don't know if this would work regularly or just on chicks who already seem pretty into you

Restarting the game after a four month break to due to life issues. I'm an older dude, so I have issues the younger men don't. Have experience and always willing to help the young guys. Ran game on six different women yesterday, all but one passed the boner test. Had the numbers on two already, added another two to my collection. Spread sheets can be your friend. I run day and shop game because the nightlife tends to the pathetic side where I live.

(09-11-2015 09:36 AM)QuietDog Wrote:  Do you think its bad idea to mention previous dates when you're currently on one? Had a tinder date yesterday and she asked the typical have you been on many tinder dates question and I mentioned that I had been on one earlier in the week. Then went on to tell her how it had gone poorly because the girl had been so uninteresting and asked like three questions the whole time, all of which was true. After that point though it seemed like she was working a little harder to impress me, I don't know if this would work regularly or just on chicks who already seem pretty into you

If it makes for a good story and makes the girl qualify herself, yes absolutely.

It looks like you made the girl qualify herself, good job.

It's actually apart of my routine:

-conversation-
Jokingly say, "well you've last 15 minutes, so that's good"
"what do you mean ?"
-insert funny story or bad story about a real/fake date you went on that only lasted 15 minutes and you closed the tab-
-she'll probably drop some "wow, that's horrible, blah blah blah"
-we'll see how far you get- -smirk-
-hamster spins-
-change the subject-

It works on all kinds of chicks, ALL women want to validated and qualify themselves with men, just be that man.

Handle your frame, game well, and they'll qualify themselves.

The conversation above literally happens with every date and reminds the women.

-I'm going on dates, I have options.
-They aren't a special little snowflakes
-I don't put up with BS or basic bitches.
-I don't waste my time and pull the plug.

I might get a slap on the shoulder and get called an asshole playfully or they might say that's kind of rude.

Perfect parlay into hamstering them asking, "Well just don't be that girl" -smirk-

or say "Well I don't want my time wasted, do you ?"

I haven't gotten a negative response with these kinds of stories, only laughs, playful slaps, and validation.

(09-10-2015 11:15 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^

Good stuff. How did you meet how did the logistics and bang go (i.e. the important stuff).

Where was the point you knew it was in the bag?

I met her online via SA a few months ago. I haven't been using this site much lately as it seems more and more they're asking for money. I think they went through some course or something...so, I've kind of strayed away from it. Her and I had texted a while back but never could get her on a date.

About a week ago, she texts me out of the blue : Hey, do you want to meet up?

We had a coffee date at 4 Monday this week. We chatted with good chemistry. She thinks I'm younger than my real age due to my untrue profile on the site. After a cup of coffee, I suggested a walk and we just walked around the store ( we were at whole foods ) We just browsed whole foods, went to the wine section, coffee section ,etc and bullshitted. I suggested "let's bounce to my place for a little while" which she agreed on.

We started watching some TV and drinking water ( She said she would come back for wine later in the week but didn't want any then ). I tried to escalate on the couch a few times and got a brief make out but nothing more. She was a bit stiff.

I found out she was a model and I told her I have some close colleagues that work with a modeling agency ( which is true ) and if she liked, I could pass her info along to them. She was quite interested. After 30 minutes of watching a movie, she said she needed to go. She called an uber and left.

The next morning, I get a text from her saying she had fun and would like to see me again and that we could 'work something out' which is code for a lot of girls from SA that they want money. I played the "modeling benefit" angle as I don't like paying girls to be with them. We set the date for Wednesday night but she very apologetically flaked as she was filling out apartment applications and waiting for her employer verification which was taking much longer than she thought. I actually believed her because she had mentioned needing to do this on our first date. She mentioned on her flake text that she would 'make it up to me!' if I wanted to do something Thursday. I'd say it was at this point, assuming she didn't flake again, that I knew it was in the bag.

A side note - I had status in this girl's eyes because of the value that I was conveying. From the texts I could tell she was interested in the modeling bit so, this contributed to her compliance.

The second date was her coming straight to my apartment. We sipped some wine and watched some tv and talked. I kissed but she wasn't giving much back, kind of still and close mouthed. I suggested I wanted to take her measurements to pass along to my modeling buddies. So, I had her stand in front of me as I sat on a chair and took her body measurements which was kind of sexual. Then, I took some photos of her against the wall.

We went up to the top of my apartment building near the pool area. It's a chill place at night to look over the city and have a drink. We talked up there a bit. I was kidding her and kino'ing a bit. I got her comfortable, laughing and stroking her hair.

After 20 minutes up there, I said, "well, it's too wet to really sit anywhere up here ( it had been raining), let's go down and check out the end of that movie" She said 'ok'

We sat back on the couch, and I was escalating kino. Stroking her arms, holding hands and rubbing her neck and back of her head. She was gabbing along comfortably at this point. I went for the kiss and she was receptive ( I figured out she's just not a good kisser ). I moved to her neck and chest and she was good with that. I had her kneel facing me on the couch while I did the same and we slowly stripped each other while kissing.

When my pants came off she went down quite quickly, on her belly on my couch. I let that go on for about 2 minutes before moving it to the bedroom. This girl is quite experienced for her age. (can anyone say condom usage! ) ?

From there it was the bed, the floor, a table. She was kind of a petite girl and very tight and had to take a break a few times due the tight fit. We'd take a break and start up again. She even apologized for having to take breaks!

She left about 10:30 pm. I walked her down where she waited on her uber and I gave her more than enough to cover her uber expenses which she thanked me for.

Jesus I just made the worst approach I have made in a long time.

I was in a cafe close to my work. I saw a girl I thought I recognized from a new social activity group I joined that is large. Said hello, it was not her I had mistaken her. So I said ok nevermind. I was with coworkers and was trying to just be friendly, not trying to pick up at that moment.

Anyways I see her pefect ass in yoga tights sit down. My coworkers leave before me while I wait for my order. I think hmm well she is surrounded in her seating by other people don't have time to really sit and chat anyways. I get a napkin borrow a guys shitty mechanical pencil wrote: "thought you were cute text me xxx-xxx-xxxx Travesty". Was going to drop it on her table as I walk by.

Well I think I am cool as fuck (why the hell did I think this?) strolling by her table... wrong chick! She looks up and is mildly cute I think about leaving the number anyways. Before she can look at the napkin I see where my original chick is now sitting, I swipe the napkin up.

Now my rhythm is like some bad Loony Tunes episode. I walk over to her she catches me coming I stand awkwardly and know it is too weird to just throw a napkin at her. I start spitting that I think she was cute and sit down at the table next to her our seats are about 2 feet apart.

She isn't as cute up close face to face and has slut face. Everything is off. Just everything. Still wrap it up quick ask anyways to pull that coin lever on the slot machine. Nah not even close. I bump a chair on my way out with my food in hand.

What the hell got into me?

My bookstore/cafe game has always been atrocious, this one though is reigning King Shitlord right now, just whack all of it.

Trav your last 2 posts are showing some frustration.

Is anything else going on man ? You mention being worn down and also looking for a partner.

Do you think you need to recharge and take a break ?

I ask this as a forum brother not as trying to analyze your game.

^ Yeah I am very burned out from Game and work in general.

Funny thing is I have 2 other good 7+ leads right now as well. It's like I am doing well on autopilot but still sick of all the little trip ups.

I have had some of my best day game approaches over this summer as well.

I think what I really need is a mLTR I enjoy with a girl that likes to have sex all the time so I don't even need to deal with plates for a good 6 months to recharge.

For instance over the past few days I had a random girl at night with her friends start complimenting by body posture and looks as they walked by. Another girl on campus with her friend on bikes and one said my friend thinks you're hot.

So things are up in some regards, I am getting frustrated overall. It's hard to cut back though chicks are just everywhere.

(09-11-2015 11:16 AM)kaotic Wrote:  If it makes for a good story and makes the girl qualify herself, yes absolutely.

It looks like you made the girl qualify herself, good job.

It's actually apart of my routine:

-conversation-
Jokingly say, "well you've last 15 minutes, so that's good"
"what do you mean ?"
-insert funny story or bad story about a real/fake date you went on that only lasted 15 minutes and you closed the tab-
-she'll probably drop some "wow, that's horrible, blah blah blah"
-we'll see how far you get- -smirk-
-hamster spins-
-change the subject-

It works on all kinds of chicks, ALL women want to validated and qualify themselves with men, just be that man.

Handle your frame, game well, and they'll qualify themselves.

The conversation above literally happens with every date and reminds the women.

-I'm going on dates, I have options.
-They aren't a special little snowflakes
-I don't put up with BS or basic bitches.
-I don't waste my time and pull the plug.

I might get a slap on the shoulder and get called an asshole playfully or they might say that's kind of rude.

Perfect parlay into hamstering them asking, "Well just don't be that girl" -smirk-

or say "Well I don't want my time wasted, do you ?"

I haven't gotten a negative response with these kinds of stories, only laughs, playful slaps, and validation.

Alright cool, seems like a good tactic to have in my toolkit. I'm gonna start trying this a lot more. Thanks for the info

(09-11-2015 01:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ Yeah I am very burned out from Game and work in general.

Funny thing is I have 2 other good 7+ leads right now as well. It's like I am doing well on autopilot but still sick of all the little trip ups.

I have had some of my best day game approaches over this summer as well.

I think what I really need is a mLTR I enjoy with a girl that likes to have sex all the time so I don't even need to deal with plates for a good 6 months to recharge.

For instance over the past few days I had a random girl at night with her friends start complimenting by body posture and looks as they walked by. Another girl on campus with her friend on bikes and one said my friend thinks you're hot.

So things are up in some regards, I am getting frustrated overall. It's hard to cut back though chicks are just everywhere.

Well you live in one of the most bangable girls places out here. I don't blame you.

Maybe an mLTR would do you good, a bit late for a summer fling though, especially with girls trying to lock down that holiday boyfriend.

Sounds like you got some good SMV if you have girls hollering at you.

Take some time to just relax man, if something falls on your plate take it.

(09-11-2015 01:04 PM)QuietDog Wrote:  Alright cool, seems like a good tactic to have in my toolkit. I'm gonna start trying this a lot more. Thanks for the info

Absolutely its great, just make sure to frame it right, I can give you more details via PM if you'd like.