There's times when a little ignorant bliss to turn off the red pill would be nice... then I realize the amount of dodged bullets, and I retract that thought.

The hypergamy of the last 3 girls I've fucked sort of unraveled itself all at once today. I guess I need to quit having a problem with bitches blatantly lying straight to my face..., then holding them to their word when the lie is revealed accidentally by them, or other mutual connections.

IDGAF if a girl is fucking others while fucking me, but when they tell me otherwise, without me ever inquiring, it's really a dead giveaway and they have to know that. Each new girl I bang convinces me we're getting closer to Peak Slut.

I live by a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy re. bangable women, usually they do too.

But to tell when not asked.. well. I figure before locking down their fall mini-relationship sucker, these hoes are scramblin fuckin/suckin every last cock they can before the market tames down for winter, and they have to put on the "fake" for the family around the holidays. Nothing's worse than being tied down by one of these Western cunts for the holidays, adding drama to an already stressful holiday season.

Went out with my main chick last night and noticed a lot of dudes were standing around glued to their phones. The kicker was that most of them were on some type of social media app. I guess I'm getting old because I always believed that shit was for girls and queers.

Thought I was good texting last chick I mentioned and joked about astrology she negged me hard lol. Anytime I get a little optimistic and a little to friendly and loose with girls I get punished immediately.

I am a little amazed which I have mentioned before. As you get better at game you don't get looser with your game. It only feels looser and shooting from the hip because you are actually subconciously following the rules of Game even more meticulously than ever.

hung out with an old friend last night and got to see how polarizing a swol 6'6 linebacker size presence can be in open space

His game is direct, and not giving any fucks about being rejected. He just goes to the next lucky lady. He said it took him awhile to develop such thick skin where rejection doesn't hurt.

Crazy to see both women and men reach out and touch a guy's arms because they can't believe their eyes.

Funny thing is, he's a very happy go lucky dude but his outside appearance makes some smaller guys uncomfortable which inadvertently acts as cockblock repellent

Always enlightening to see what works for other guys

We actually alternated between opening sets and winging all night, with one unlucky guy having us surrounding his girl and looking like he wanted to intervene but thought better of it

(08-30-2015 07:21 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  I'm 27, and the youngest I've been out with is 21. My guess is the whole age thing is a social concern. Girls are catty like that. "Omg, how was your date? How old is that guy anyway?" I think with pinays its not that big of an issue. My ex (filipina) married a 42 year old. She was 22. The more mature the girl is the lest of an issue it may seem to them.

It really depends on the girl. My main is 10 years younger than me (19 v 29) and she likes me because I've got my shit together and in her words is "not a work in progress".
Other girls want a fixer-uper or someone they can mold/change or are just scared of the peer reaction of dating an older dude.

It's common for marriages though. I've got a couple of friends whose parents had almost a 20 year age gap, as well as a few 10 years and even my own grandparents have an 8 year gap.

My bangs from online game have dropped the second half of the year unfortunately. First half of the year, my formula was booking a classy hotel ( was doing some traveling) , set the date at a local wine bar or restaurant within a walk to my hotel, after a drink suggest a walk, then, walk to my hotel and sit in the lobby a few minutes having another drink. Then, I'd suggest - hey, let's go watch a little TV and I'll show you that view from my room ( always played up the view).

We'd get to my hotel room where the only place to sit was the bed , watch tv, I'd mix drinks. Sit there for 15 minutes or so when I'd lean over and 'test' her drink, then go for the kiss. Most times I did this, she attacked me. I racked up like 8 bangs with this method first half of the year and most girls I got to my room, banged.

I don't know if my game's off now or it's my slightly different logistics. Now, I have a cool apartment downtown. I meet them at a local bar/coffee bar across the street from my apartment. We have a drink, I suggest usually "let's grab a drink at my place and go up to the pool on the 8th floor and chill out, look over the city." Then, after we've been at the pool area, I ask if they want to go listen to music at my place.

Some do, some say they have to get going. The ones that do, I have been getting make outs on the couch but only one bang so far. After this first date, a lot are flaking but some are down for second dates.

Point is, my first date bang ratio is way way off. I'd go back to the hotel method I used in the first half of the year but that's WAY too expensive.

Maybe I need to skip the step of taking them to the pool and just suggest drinks in my apartment. I need to get my TV hooked up as it's still not connected so the only thing to do in my apartment is mix drinks, listen to music, or watch youtube or something which doesn't seem like great bait. I'm thinking instead of suggesting the pool "Hey, let's go make a Tom Collins and check out some tv....there's supposed to be a funny movie tonight"

The other thing is, I have a couch in my living room to watch TV, so we're not getting right onto a bed like in the hotel. It's less sexual. I don't think most girls would go for just going to the bedroom right off when entering my apartment and "sitting on the bed"

I'm going to tinker with my first date strategy and see what happens. I have at least 2 dates lined up this week.

^ You may be on to something with not sitting on the bed right away. I know for me the point where I move them from the couch to the bed gets me a lot of resistance so now I'll actually go for the bang right there on the couch (I always have a condom in my pocket) and if they're down they will ask to move to the bed after we start banging or they will ask to move to the bed before. I remember Tuth mentioned in his first date bang formula that his couch and bed are one in the same (futon perhaps?)

Another thing that jumped out at me is when you're running hotel game the vibe automatically lends itself to more of a casual fling then any kind of relationship and we all know women can behave radically different in both scenarios. Is it possible that since these women are now coming over to your actual home that they're getting more of a provider vibe? Or more specifically, are you coming off as so high value and a real "catch" that they're putting you into the boyfriend box from the jump?

@robreke

The hotel situation you had going was pretty tight, and it seems that you were at the point that you could set the date on autopilot once it was set up. Now you have a different setup, so some tinkering is required to get the recipe dialed in.

The first issue is that *maybe* you need to be more aggressive once you're in your apartment. If she's been on a date with you, back to your place, on your rooftop, back in the house, chances are she wants to fuck. You do not need an excuse (like netflix and chill), just keep talking and then make out with her.

Second to that is your routine/gameplan.

I like the rooftop idea especially for first date. Here's an old PUA date recipe, I can't remember where I found it, but it's always stuck with me.

1. Have her drive to your house
2. Meet her outside
3. "Oh I forgot to turn the oven off" or other convenient excuse to bring her inside
4. Don't show her around, just have her look around and take it in. This is supposed to make her more comfortable being in your apartment.
5. Drive/walk to date location
6. Come back to your house, bait her upstairs, bang

So, a few things you can use to make your plan more like this PUA routine.

-Have her leave something in your apartment so she wants to go down after drinks on the rooftop. Purse? Making a "no cell phones allowed on the roof" rule could be pretty tight game if played correctly.

-Escalate more on the roof. If you start making out hard, it'll be real easy to say "let's go somewhere else," bring her downstairs, throw her on the bed and profit.

-After finishing the drink on the roof, make an excuse to go back down, and then escalate. "Oh I'd like one more drink" or "I need a water."


Other than that calibrate according to her body language. Give her the classic "apartment tour" and see how she responds to being close to your bed.

@OreganTSC: I think you're on to something with going from a player/fun 'guy to bang' vibe to provider. I've been toying with this idea and now that you mention it, I'm going to do it: I'm going to tell them I live in another state and only come to this state a few times a month on business. I will tell them I'm staying in one of our "corporate apartments" that my company keeps available for it's executives. Also, I'll add, I'm only in town a few days on business and will probably be another few weeks before I'm back, just like my backstory when I was getting hotel room bangs.

That makes me more a limited commodity and the girl better get her bang in before I skip town.

I also agree with banging on the couch as I keep condoms under the couch cushion. After your dick's wet, it's a lot easier to lead her to the bed.

@redbeard: I agree with being more aggressive and actually just tried that policy last night on a first date. I got a cute 26 yo brunette up to the roof top. I was letting her talk all about herself and went from brushing her leg to holding her hand. She responded well touching me with her other hand while talking.

Then a bit later, I went for the rooftop kiss and at first she reciprocated, but she switched to a 'tight mouthed' kiss after a few seconds so I backed off. She was a little reserved for a few minutes after like she thought I was moving too fast but loosened up again later with hand holding and smiling. I couldn't bounce her to my apartment though as she had to 'get up at 6:00' A factor may have been (actually I'm sure it was ) that she wasn't drinking last night due to partying her ass off with friends the previous night. We texted some this morning. Point is, that's not enough data ( one sober girl) to prove the escalating early on the roof top doesn't work.

I will also use the 'apartment tour' bit. Sounds innocent enough to get the girl in there. I think this combined with the 'out of town rogue' element may change my results. Tinkering-challenge accepted : I'll run this game for my next few dates.

(08-31-2015 10:17 AM)robreke Wrote:  My bangs from online game have dropped the second half of the year unfortunately. First half of the year, my formula was booking a classy hotel ( was doing some traveling) , set the date at a local wine bar or restaurant within a walk to my hotel, after a drink suggest a walk, then, walk to my hotel and sit in the lobby a few minutes having another drink. Then, I'd suggest - hey, let's go watch a little TV and I'll show you that view from my room ( always played up the view).

We'd get to my hotel room where the only place to sit was the bed , watch tv, I'd mix drinks. Sit there for 15 minutes or so when I'd lean over and 'test' her drink, then go for the kiss. Most times I did this, she attacked me. I racked up like 8 bangs with this method first half of the year and most girls I got to my room, banged.

I don't know if my game's off now or it's my slightly different logistics. Now, I have a cool apartment downtown. I meet them at a local bar/coffee bar across the street from my apartment. We have a drink, I suggest usually "let's grab a drink at my place and go up to the pool on the 8th floor and chill out, look over the city." Then, after we've been at the pool area, I ask if they want to go listen to music at my place.

Some do, some say they have to get going. The ones that do, I have been getting make outs on the couch but only one bang so far. After this first date, a lot are flaking but some are down for second dates.

Point is, my first date bang ratio is way way off. I'd go back to the hotel method I used in the first half of the year but that's WAY too expensive.

Maybe I need to skip the step of taking them to the pool and just suggest drinks in my apartment. I need to get my TV hooked up as it's still not connected so the only thing to do in my apartment is mix drinks, listen to music, or watch youtube or something which doesn't seem like great bait. I'm thinking instead of suggesting the pool "Hey, let's go make a Tom Collins and check out some tv....there's supposed to be a funny movie tonight"

The other thing is, I have a couch in my living room to watch TV, so we're not getting right onto a bed like in the hotel. It's less sexual. I don't think most girls would go for just going to the bedroom right off when entering my apartment and "sitting on the bed"

I'm going to tinker with my first date strategy and see what happens. I have at least 2 dates lined up this week.

Maybe try a few more venue changes before getting back to your place.

Ive found that hitting up a couple more venues (which can be a walk by the beach/ in the park/ through city) in between drinks can create more of a sense of knowing you "longer" in her mind. It's just a bit of psychological self-trickery their brain can pull on them

My MO is to "funnel" chicks back to my place. Sometimes the funnel has to be a bit longer than others but always try to make the last stop the closest (1 block from the house). Once I hear (or sense) "Wow I feel like I've known you a long time"...its time to bring it home and close

(08-27-2015 01:04 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  There was a post on this forum from a senior member that I read a few weeks ago, and I can't find it again.

It went something like this. You're at your place, but get the feeling you aren't going to get the bang. Rather than let her tell you inevitably that she's leaving, you preempt it by saying, "Well it was good to see you but I have some shit to do" and you show her to the door.

The author continued by noting that it will leave her wondering, "Why did he kick me out all of a sudden? Does he not like me?"

I'm not a senior member but I think you might be referring to my post

(08-10-2015 02:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Well my game is pretty "niche" for lack of a better word...so I'm not sure how much of this will be helpful to you. I'm 44 so I've been "gaming" chicks since long before I even knew that I was gaming (or it was called that) . I'm only into younger women but I'm 6ft 3 keep in shape and look younger but my logistics are by far my best asset. I live in beach community is SoCal /OC (one that forum member G Manifesto is very familiar with) and my house is literally within 2 blocks of 11 different bars, restaurants, cafe, etc... My front patio faces a street where people often park when going to those venues. (I often sit outside and work on my laptop. I have one buddy that refers to my patio as "spider game" with me just waiting for "victims" to walk by. Patio/spider game is a whole other post)

Long story short on first dates I usually try to hit two or three of those venues (where bartenders and staff know me...big plus) then bounce to my house. If we're drinking and I can get them to my house it's usually a done deal. Once they are there I have tons of DHV material: pics of where I've traveled, with other hot chicks, I keep a surfboard and snowboard in the corner of my home office that's plainly visible when I give "the tour". There's even a pic of me with a well known celebrity (another story) clearly visible when someone comes out of the bathroom. You might say I'm playing "Most Interesting Man In The World Game" at my house. Girls eat that shit up.

But if I get them home and make a move but see I'm not going to close I usually wrap it up[i][b] quickly with something along the lines "Hey, I've had a great time but I've got an early day tomorrow. We should hang out again...buh bye". I won't let it linger and let it get awkward. The trick is to make them know they fucked it up...even if they dont know how exactl[/i][/b]y

I'll then open it back for a 2nd date a couple days later with a text something along the lines of the "I had a dream about you" I suggested above or "You still want to learn to surf?" ...calibrated to the girl and whatever is 1st date specific. IE tailored to whatever happened (kiss, petting, finger bang) etc. Second date is just a funnel for getting her back to my house. I've gone as far as 4 dates to close but those have been rare and actually been a long time.

Like I said it's pretty niche to me but I hope some of that helps. I guess the short answer to getting 2nd date is to remain enough of an interesting mystery that the hamster wants more

I'm interested to hear about spider game.

I just broke up with a girl and would like some community confirmation:

If you randomly go through your girlfriend's phone, and find that she has been texting her old fuck buddy things like, "I just want you to know I miss you and think about you", and he is going to be in town to see his family and she is suggesting times and dates to meet up and "hang out" with him, BUT his visit came and went and she never followed through with actually meeting up/fucking him...

That is grounds for immediate dismissal, am I right?

(09-01-2015 06:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I just broke up with a girl and would like some community confirmation:

If you randomly go through your girlfriend's phone, and find that she has been texting her old fuck buddy things like, "I just want you to know I miss you and think about you", and he is going to be in town to see his family and she is suggesting times and dates to meet up and "hang out" with him, BUT his visit came and went and she never followed through with actually meeting up/fucking him...

That is grounds for immediate dismissal, am I right?

100%. She considered it.

Some guys will cut a girl some slack in these situations, I don't.

Keep her around for booty calls for a few months if possible while you bring in a new pipeline of girls.

(09-01-2015 06:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I just broke up with a girl and would like some community confirmation:

If you randomly go through your girlfriend's phone, and find that she has been texting her old fuck buddy things like, "I just want you to know I miss you and think about you", and he is going to be in town to see his family and she is suggesting times and dates to meet up and "hang out" with him, BUT his visit came and went and she never followed through with actually meeting up/fucking him...

That is grounds for immediate dismissal, am I right?

She isn't literally cheating, but she sure as hell is thinking about it, and is emotionally cheating:

I can't believe how much of a pussy whipped bitch a relative of mine is.

I was busting his balls on some political issues and lo and behold is now fiance law lady comes in nuking the thread - which ensues a shit storm of comments.

My relative messages me with this shit:

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Like fucking hell I'm going to begin with, fuck that noise.

I'm already calling it, they'll get divorced before they even had kids.

This dude never has had game, he could sure as hell lift though.

Then he locks down this post wall career whore. I even hit him up and asked if this is what he really wants and he gave some bitch ass answer about how it's about time to settle down.

^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

EDIT: If you guys knew/saw all of the texts that your LTR's sent while you were with them, how many of them would include inappropriate shit like what my ex-gf did? I had ZERO warning signs of anything going on and I just thought I'd check on a complete whim. Who knows what else was on her phone. All I saw was the one text convo and immediately confronted her.

(09-01-2015 06:22 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  ^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

EDIT: If you guys knew/saw all of the texts that your LTR's sent while you were with them, how many of them would include inappropriate shit like what my ex-gf did? I had ZERO warning signs of anything going on and I just thought I'd check on a complete whim. Who knows what else was on her phone. All I saw was the one text convo and immediately confronted her.

My ex has read through my old forum posts (long story) and otherwise stalks me from time to time, I only assume she has read everything here. Doesn't really matter anymore.

I discovered some hurtful texts midway through the relationship that I confronted her on and being the red light that it was (not cheating related) I probably should have ejected then. More recently right around the time we broke up I found her messaging back and forth with an ex of hers from out of town. Do you think that elevated her status in my book? Hell no.

(09-01-2015 06:28 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 06:22 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  ^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

EDIT: If you guys knew/saw all of the texts that your LTR's sent while you were with them, how many of them would include inappropriate shit like what my ex-gf did? I had ZERO warning signs of anything going on and I just thought I'd check on a complete whim. Who knows what else was on her phone. All I saw was the one text convo and immediately confronted her.

My ex has read through my old forum posts (long story) and otherwise stalks me from time to time, I only assume she has read everything here. Doesn't really matter anymore.

I discovered some hurtful texts midway through the relationship that I confronted her on and being the red light that it was (not cheating related) I probably should have ejected then. More recently right around the time we broke up I found her messaging back and forth with an ex of hers from out of town. Do you think that elevated her status in my book? Hell no.

I understand.

I'm fairly new to actually having LTRs. Trying to figure out what are fire-able offenses, what crosses the line, and what is forgivable.

What was the nature of the non-cheating stuff you found?

I'm afraid that I'll get into another LTR with a girl that seems to have it all together, only to randomly check her phone and find her flirting or more with other guys.

Feeling a little emotional lately, which I guess is normal. No one is hearing these outbursts of mine except you guys and my real-life male friends. And my mom. As far as the ex knows, I'm not even hurt/mad and just logically walked away. I never yelled or anything when I found out. I calmly told her to gather all of her things and that "we're done."

(09-01-2015 06:22 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  ^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

Don't expect an LTR then, why even look down that street right now.

Some girls will ALWAYS have gina tingles for some dude in the past...I've been on the receiving end like you have and I've been the guy a girl hits up months later.

I would never trust any girl 100%, as long as you're aware of the signs, you'll be fine.

You'll also be better at screening girls with these kinds of traits.

(09-01-2015 06:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 06:22 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  ^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

Don't expect an LTR then, why even look down that street right now.

Some girls will ALWAYS have gina tingles for some dude in the past...I've been on the receiving end like you have and I've been the guy a girl hits up months later.

I would never trust any girl 100%, as long as you're aware of the signs, you'll be fine.

You'll also be better at screening girls with these kinds of traits.

Solid point.

Ironically, the day I broke up with the bitch I texted an old plate who currently has a boyfriend. She was over hours later and I was fucking her doggy style making her cum. Literally, I became the dude I found my girl texting.

What are some of the signs? The only one my ex did, was she always put her phone face down and the ringer was always off.

I think we're all just fucked.

(09-01-2015 06:44 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 06:41 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 06:22 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  ^ Thanks guys, just needed RVF support on the decision.

I've mentally downgraded her to fuck buddy status. When she asked if we could ever get back together again, I told her "anything is possible". I have no intention of ever trusting her again.

Now here is my follow-up question:

In 2015, I'm sitting here wondering if the next LTR I get into will also text/talk to old boyfriends or fuck buddies behind my back. I know I sure have with other chicks. Especially girls that have been alpha-widow'd, it seems like when that elusive bad boy that she couldn't lock down comes around, they always make themselves available.

I did almost everything textbook RVF/Black Phillip with this girl. She was obsessed with me and insanely attached. I was surprised she would even consider fucking this other guy.

It just makes me wonder if any LTR will ever be trustworthy. No matter how alpha you are, if a girl has a history with bad boys it seems doomed to failure.

Don't expect an LTR then, why even look down that street right now.

Some girls will ALWAYS have gina tingles for some dude in the past...I've been on the receiving end like you have and I've been the guy a girl hits up months later.

I would never trust any girl 100%, as long as you're aware of the signs, you'll be fine.

You'll also be better at screening girls with these kinds of traits.

Solid point.

Ironically, the day I broke up with the bitch I texted an old plate who currently has a boyfriend. She was over hours later and I was fucking her doggy style making her cum. Literally, I became the dude I found my girl texting.

What are some of the signs? The only one my ex did, was she always put her phone face down and the ringer was always off.

I think we're all just fucked.

Well that for one is a red flag that immediately raises suspicions.

From personal experience I'd say, she doesn't have any texts in her inbox, she's never on FB around you, she always leans her phone away from you. She has one of those security screens on top of her iphone screen.

She freaks out if you grab her phone, the phone face down and sound off is the biggest sign ever.

(09-01-2015 06:47 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Well that for one is a red flag that immediately raises suspicions.

From personal experience I'd say, she doesn't have any texts in her inbox, she's never on FB around you, she always leans her phone away from you. She has one of those security screens on top of her iphone screen.

She freaks out if you grab her phone, the phone face down and sound off is the biggest sign ever.

Yep. We men here often do the same. I stick my phone on airplane mode now though and leave it up.

(09-01-2015 06:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I just broke up with a girl and would like some community confirmation:

If you randomly go through your girlfriend's phone, and find that she has been texting her old fuck buddy things like, "I just want you to know I miss you and think about you", and he is going to be in town to see his family and she is suggesting times and dates to meet up and "hang out" with him, BUT his visit came and went and she never followed through with actually meeting up/fucking him...

That is grounds for immediate dismissal, am I right?

Sucks, yeah she's toast forget her.

There was some thread or book about a guy keylogging his girlfriends a long time back, boy the shit you see... you are in NYC right? Good luck keeping a girl in check amigo. It is you vs. the center of the universe on Whore Island.

Totaled my recently new whip, bummed.

Between the lacerations and blood dripping, ambulance, ER, I was worried about insurance going up and the fact I won't be able to get motorcycle now.

All my limbs, nothing broken, just bruised.

Good news is the forum is back up - still smell inter cooler fluid for some reason or maybe it's the air bag dust.