Post: #401

(07-14-2015 10:02 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:28 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:17 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 07:09 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Trumps beloved daughter Ivanka married an Orthodox Jew and has converted - the NYC Jews see him as a blood ally and he is good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu who he shares a similar world view with.

Obama and Kerry and Hillary Marxist SJW Utopians can all be bamboozled looking at the world through their spiritual leader Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals play book which glorifies the USA's enemies while it vilifies patriotic Americans.

Trump looks at the world and our enemies and adversaries the way they really are and takes action accordingly.

Can you imagine a el chapo shorty Guzman deadly deviant drugs billionaire running amok in Mexico under a Reagan administration the way he does with the Obamunists?

Trump is cut from the Reagan mold - peace through military strength and a USA military our enemies and adversaries both deeply respect and fear.

A lot of the problems we're seeing now started with Reagan. The last fucking thing we need is another one "cut from the Reagan mold". I can't believe we even have to debate this.

"Peace through military strength" sounds like the slogan of the Project for a New American Century, which consists of war-obsessed neocons who won't shut the fuck up about Iran and Russia. We need isolationism.

It is isolationist when we have criminals invading American cities?

Can you elaborate on this point? I'm not sure how neo-conservative military adventurism is related to immigration and securing the USA's borders.

I'm claiming any candidate who refuses to secure the borders isn't isolationist.

So to claim that Trump is bad because he wants to kick ass in the Middle East makes it sound like Hillary or Jeb is going to be better, in spite of the fact both would leave the borders wide open and probably do almost as much military adventurism as Trump. At least Trump claims he'll use the military to take oil in the Middle East, which gets America more money.

At this point going isolationist isn't going to accomplish much, considering how many enemies are gunning for us. We may as well go all in at this point given how badly the Iraqi war destabilized the region.

Post: #402

(07-14-2015 08:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'd like to put Trump and Chapo in a boxing ring and watch Trump get his ass beat. I'm laughing that Trump had to run the FBI like a little bitch after getting called out. He ain't talking so tough now.

That would be the fight of the century.


Both presumed billionaires in the single digits with details of difficulty to verify (Trump lies about his net worth all the time, and its hard to calculate how much Chapo has because a lot of it is illegally laundered).

Both love the attention and love being glorified.

When Donald gets into trouble he declares for bankruptcy. When El Chapo gets into trouble, he beheads, dismembers and burns his enemies alive.

Trump is white, blonde, and conservative. Chapo is short, Mexican, and embodies violence, drugs, corruption which is all things Trump despises.

Chapo has a 3rd grade education while Trump graduated from Fordham University.

Both created an empire and became very wealthy in their countries (Chapo with drugs and Trump with business and real estate).

Both aren't afraid to wreck havoc or the consequences that come with it.

Both are alpha males with an "I don't give a fuck" attitude and that look in their eyes that they aren't anyone's bitch.












^^^^ Some guys just have that aura and that look that they aren't anyone's bitch and both these guys have it.



I'd pay to see this fight haha. My money is on El Chapo though.

Post: #403

I don't expect either to fight fair or do anything themselves.
So it's a matter of who can organize their own agents most effectively.

Post: #404

(07-14-2015 08:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'd like to put Trump and Chapo in a boxing ring and watch Trump get his ass beat. I'm laughing that Trump had to run the FBI like a little bitch after getting called out. He ain't talking so tough now.

This is easily the dumbest thing written in this thread.

Post: #405

(07-15-2015 01:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'd like to put Trump and Chapo in a boxing ring and watch Trump get his ass beat. I'm laughing that Trump had to run the FBI like a little bitch after getting called out. He ain't talking so tough now.

This is easily the dumbest thing written in this thread.

Agreed, what does this even mean? We should be cheering on a murderous drug lord over a guy that wants to protect the middle class men in the USA, which is almost everyone on this forum, because Trump dares to speak the harsh truth.

And we cheer him on in a boxing ring. What the hell does that prove? He can out box a 69 year old?

Post: #406

(07-14-2015 10:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:02 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:28 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It is isolationist when we have criminals invading American cities?

Can you elaborate on this point? I'm not sure how neo-conservative military adventurism is related to immigration and securing the USA's borders.

I'm claiming any candidate who refuses to secure the borders isn't isolationist.

So to claim that Trump is bad because he wants to kick ass in the Middle East makes it sound like Hillary or Jeb is going to be better, in spite of the fact both would leave the borders wide open and probably do almost as much military adventurism as Trump. At least Trump claims he'll use the military to take oil in the Middle East, which gets America more money.

At this point going isolationist isn't going to accomplish much, considering how many enemies are gunning for us. We may as well go all in at this point given how badly the Iraqi war destabilized the region.

Neither Deepdiver or Tigermandingo was making any argument with regards to borders; they were talking about America's approach to dealing with her enemies, real or perceived, however Deepdiver did throw in El Chapo when talking about America's geopolitical adversaries as if they were a single monolithic block, whereas they're actually different types of threats, for example, El Chapo is an organized crime figure, while Iran and Russia are rival governments, and Al-Qaeda and ISIS are non-state islamist militant organizations. Each of them require a different approach.

Regarding isolationism and the borders, I'm still not seeing it. Securing the borders and reducing illegal immigration is a more immediate social, economic and national security issue. Attacking Iraq on a flase premise esp. when it didn't pose a threat to the US is more like the type of Israel-first motivated military neoconservative adverturism. I'm not sure how going "all-in" on the Middle East would bring any results, considering the US hit Iraq with all they had from 2003 to 2011 and once they withdrew a vacuum was left that terrorist organizations readily filled.

You can protect your borders and still refuse to intervene in foreign wars . Mexico and the mexican immigrants are not a military threat to the United States, and the cartels would still find a way to smuggle drugs to the US even if the borders were shut and illegal immigrants could no longer get in.

Post: #407

(07-15-2015 08:16 AM)Killer Joe Wrote:  You can protect your borders and still refuse to intervene in foreign wars .

Of course we could, but no candidate is going to do that except for Rand Paul. He cannot win because the Republican establishment is corrupt, so having Trump take over the party first to pave the way for guys like Paul is our best bet.

Quote: Mexico and the mexican immigrants are not a military threat to the United States, and the cartels would still find a way to smuggle drugs to the US even if the borders were shut and illegal immigrants could no longer get in.

Wrong, illegal immigrants ARE a threat to the USA. Thousands of Americans are murdered, robbed, or raped each year by illegals, not to mention people like ISIS could also just waltz over the border to perform domestic terrorism as well.

As for drugs finding their way in here; it will get much more difficult and the risks will be a lot higher if there's a giant electric fence along the border. Criminals who are deported will not be able to get back into the USA without a drug cartel doing a crazy stunt to get them back here. This will cost the cartels tons of cash if they need to fly planes or boats around a wall that will easily be detected by the air force or coast guard. Prices of cocaine and heroin will go WAY up.

So, really, you're mistaken about the effects of what a powerful wall could do. It would certainly reduce the amount of drugs and crime coming into America.

Post: #408

https://instagram.com/p/4PRAtVmhVq/



Donald is trolling everyone so hard it's hilarious. I have not been this entertained in politics for a long time. Meanwhile the leftist fanatics are revealing the kinds of people they really are by parroting "El Chapo."

Cheer for a brutal drug lord over Trump because the latter went against your narrative and hurt your precious feeeeewings.

Post: #409

I wonder if people are stupid enough to think that cheering on a drug lord is going to make Trump less popular?

Post: #410

It's worth noting that Trump was opposed to the Iraq War and still is. Watch the rally video Samseau posted. One guy in the crowd boos but when he clearly lays out why it was a bad idea and points out how fucked up we made the situation over there even the few neocon rubes in attendance begin to understand.

Trump comes at it from a position of strength and not whiny apologia like the anti-war left usually does.

Post: #411

I don't even care about the general election at this point, watching the Donald cut down establishment Republican Party apparatchiks is the best thing I've seen in years



Beautiful. I'm gonna need more popcorn.

Post: #412

(07-15-2015 09:13 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I wonder if people are stupid enough to think that cheering on a drug lord is going to make Trump less popular?

The whole El Chapo thing is actually making Trump more popular. People like it when they see their leader stand up to a murderous, dangerous wanted criminal. Think Bush after 9/11 when it was perceived that he was standing up to Osama Bin Laden which was one of the main reasons why he got re-elected. Same thing here.


Are people on the left really cheering on El Chapo though?

Post: #413

(07-15-2015 01:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'd like to put Trump and Chapo in a boxing ring and watch Trump get his ass beat. I'm laughing that Trump had to run the FBI like a little bitch after getting called out. He ain't talking so tough now.

This is easily the dumbest thing written in this thread.

To be fair, I think this comment was supposed to go in the "El Chapo threatens Trump" thread. I think that thread got taken down so a lot of the comments from that thread are being lumped into this thread.

Post: #414

Quote:Mexico and the mexican immigrants are not a military threat to the United States, and the cartels would still find a way to smuggle drugs to the US even if the borders were shut and illegal immigrants could no longer get in.

Our borders are easier then you think to cross.

I was in Sierra Vista, AZ for schooling which is about 15 miles away from the Mexican border. The drone operators at nearby Ft. Huachuca would frequently spot illegals attempting to cross on their training flights. The highest fence was about 3 feet meant to keep cattle in.

Many officers had thirsty illegals knocking on their doors asking for food in broad daylight.

This alone signals the need for amped up patrols and security if illegals aren't dissuaded by military presence.

Post: #415

Putin's favorite phrase is simply "The Weak get Beat"

Putin is not weak...

Trump is not weak...

Obama is considered to be weak.

1. No Space Shuttle 2.0 (can be used for Military Recon and if need be Space Weapons Platform).

2. Laying off 40,000 experience US Army Troops in the middle of the following wars against America (as enumerated in my previous essay upthread)

a. Illegal Immigration from around the Globe with massive illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America, Canada uses a points system based upon merit, we have open borders.

b. The Narco Terrorists flooding our country with Cocaine, Meth and now a flood of Opiods/heroin with an epidemic of lethal overdoses across the USA urban, suburban and rural - no where is immune. El Chapo's Sinaloa Narco Terrorist Gang credited with 40% of the total illegal deadly drugs volume into the USA due to ruthless murderous Sinaloa tactics.

c. Chinese Red Army APT1 etc advanced persistent threats cyber war - now it is reported that the Chinese APT government sponsored cyber war teams in fact hacked US government core employees database stealing over 20 Million individuals records including full security clearance levels and status that give the Chinese cyber warriors a road map of who exactly to target with various spear fishing and psyops attacks.

d. Russian cyber criminals credited with stealing the fullz medical records of more than 100 Million Blue Cross Blue Shield insured members including several millions of federal government employees... These records enable full idenity theft, IRS tax returns theft and myriad medicare fake drugs prescrioptions and billing fraud schemes and other schemes like real estate quick claim deed and refinance fraud.

e. Radical Islam ISIS/ISIL, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boka Haram etc etc are on the march seizing wide swaths of the Middle East, North and Sub Saharan Africa and fomenting home grown domestic terrorists recruits across the G20.

f. A giant Fed/Treasury debt bomb and an EU Troika Debt Bomb and now Chinese Debt bomb and Japanese debt bombs just ticking away.

I never recall mentioning anything about Neocons in regard to Trump and I did mention donating to Rand and Ron Paul 4 times already - NOT neocons. The above are the inconvenient facts after 6.5 years of the Obamunists Marxist Feminist pro LGBTQs SJW agenda.

My ideal ticket would be Trump CiC and Rand VP.

OBTW hot off the presses Trumps FEC financial disclosure $10B+ and he now leads the GOP polling at 17% - ironic the more the Democants and RINOs and their media muppets viciously attack him the more popular he becomes - the Silent (White Male Conservatives) Majority lives.

The Weak Get Beat...

Post: #416

The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Post: #417

(07-15-2015 06:27 PM)Libertas Wrote:  The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Vae Victis!



G

Post: #418

(07-15-2015 09:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Wrong, illegal immigrants ARE a threat to the USA. Thousands of Americans are murdered, robbed, or raped each year by illegals, not to mention people like ISIS could also just waltz over the border to perform domestic terrorism as well.

As for drugs finding their way in here; it will get much more difficult and the risks will be a lot higher if there's a giant electric fence along the border. Criminals who are deported will not be able to get back into the USA without a drug cartel doing a crazy stunt to get them back here. This will cost the cartels tons of cash if they need to fly planes or boats around a wall that will easily be detected by the air force or coast guard. Prices of cocaine and heroin will go WAY up.

So, really, you're mistaken about the effects of what a powerful wall could do. It would certainly reduce the amount of drugs and crime coming into America.

That's true. A border wall and stronger monitoring can greatly reduce the flow of potentially harmful illegal immigrants to the USA. For example, terrorism within Israel is practically non-existent ever since they put up the West Bank border wall. Now the only terrorism they face is from extremely weak rockets coming from Gaza that the Iron Dome system easily intercepts.

Also, a reform to the USA's byzantine legal immigration laws will greatly help hard-working, non-criminal immigrants get in and dissuade them from jumping the border.

(07-15-2015 06:12 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Putin's favorite phrase is simply "The Weak get Beat"

Putin is not weak...

Trump is not weak...

Obama is considered to be weak.

1. No Space Shuttle 2.0 (can be used for Military Recon and if need be Space Weapons Platform).

2. Laying off 40,000 experience US Army Troops in the middle of the following wars against America (as enumerated in my previous essay upthread)

a. Illegal Immigration from around the Globe with massive illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America, Canada uses a points system based upon merit, we have open borders.

b. The Narco Terrorists flooding our country with Cocaine, Meth and now a flood of Opiods/heroin with an epidemic of lethal overdoses across the USA urban, suburban and rural - no where is immune. El Chapo's Sinaloa Narco Terrorist Gang credited with 40% of the total illegal deadly drugs volume into the USA due to ruthless murderous Sinaloa tactics.

c. Chinese Red Army APT1 etc advanced persistent threats cyber war - now it is reported that the Chinese APT government sponsored cyber war teams in fact hacked US government core employees database stealing over 20 Million individuals records including full security clearance levels and status that give the Chinese cyber warriors a road map of who exactly to target with various spear fishing and psyops attacks.

d. Russian cyber criminals credited with stealing the fullz medical records of more than 100 Million Blue Cross Blue Shield insured members including several millions of federal government employees... These records enable full idenity theft, IRS tax returns theft and myriad medicare fake drugs prescrioptions and billing fraud schemes and other schemes like real estate quick claim deed and refinance fraud.

e. Radical Islam ISIS/ISIL, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boka Haram etc etc are on the march seizing wide swaths of the Middle East, North and Sub Saharan Africa and fomenting home grown domestic terrorists recruits across the G20.

f. A giant Fed/Treasury debt bomb and an EU Troika Debt Bomb and now Chinese Debt bomb and Japanese debt bombs just ticking away.

I never recall mentioning anything about Neocons in regard to Trump and I did mention donating to Rand and Ron Paul 4 times already - NOT neocons. The above are the inconvenient facts after 6.5 years of the Obamunists Marxist Feminist pro LGBTQs SJW agenda.

My ideal ticket would be Trump CiC and Rand VP.

OBTW hot off the presses Trumps FEC financial disclosure $10B+ and he now leads the GOP polling at 17% - ironic the more the Democants and RINOs and their media muppets viciously attack him the more popular he becomes - the Silent (White Male Conservatives) Majority lives.

The Weak Get Beat...

I agree with everything you said, except the part in bold. It's not like they're forcing anybody to consume those drugs. Keep in mind the USA's the world's biggest market for drugs, so they're only supplying the demand. And they get lots of assistance from corrupt US government agencies such as the DEA and the ATF. Remember the Operation Fast and Furious gunwalking scandal? Also, the drug trade is very convenient for the prison-industrial business; increased arrests and heavy sentencing drives up their profits.

Post: #419

^^^KJ, I hear what you are saying however consider the flip side to the argument - recent opiod reports on Metro Boston TV5 - WCVB - a week long series indicated that many opiod addicts actually get hooked on their parents pain meds - oxys, percosets etc... yet Obamascare is particularly lacking in opiods treatment programs and therefore the black tar heroin and white potent heroin drugs gangs are more than happy to fill the void..

Reports are the "Latin Drugs Cartels" used to get $100 an oz for pot however the quality of legal pot in Colorado and Washington State is superior and the price around $25 an ounce so Sinaloa is reported to have stopped growing pot and converted their fields to opium poppies.

The cartels buy cocaine from suppliers in Columbia, Peru and Bolivia for about $12K per kilo and get $25K per kilo in the USA.

They are able to grow opium poppies and produce black tar heroin for about $1,500 per kilo in Mexico and sell it for $50K per kilo in the USA - yet a foil of black tar heroin hits or blasts as the kids refer to it sells for as little as $20 whereas oxycontin or oxycodone pills can sell for $100 a pop... MDs are terrified of being accused of over prescribing pain meds less they lose their DEA licenses so an unintended consequence of Obamacare over regulating MDs is they drive opiod addicts into the arms of street dealers who step on and cut it with god knows what and instead of FDA controlled pain meds they have deadly only street drugs to turn to and a nationwide epidemic of overdoses.

This opiods stuff is extremely addictive.

La Raza and the Univision muppets of the Mexican Government have long said "if you Gringos would get your demand side of the drugs equation under control there would be no profit in it for our cartels which dramatically reduce the Mexican Balance of payments cash flowing into Mexican banks to be laundered.

The Flip side to this argument is if your citizens who have become murderous drugs thugs were not supplying enormous amounts of the most addictive and deadly drugs known to mankind there would not be such a huge market and demand among foolish young Americans who get hooked on opiods.

Only long term solutions to opiods addiction is government controlled quality heroin used by UK addiction treatment centers or methadone as a poor substitute used in USA treatment centers... Denying access to controlled pain meds driving addicts to street dealers has El Chapo and his Sinaloa crime syndicate laughing all the way to Mexican banks which under fear of death are more than willing to launder their multiple billions of cash estimated to be 40% of the estimated total $15B to $45B in annual total drugs cartel narco terrorist revenues. As can be imagined hard to pin down the actual amounts as bribes paid to numerous Goverment and law Enforcement officials across Mexico is rarely reported income.

It is the classic chicken and egg scenario what came first opiods Supply or Demand?

Post: #420

People who say the immigration system of the US is byzantine forget that the 1924 Immigration Act made immigration easy. Yes if you were white but it was to prioritize people whose outcomes matched the average citizen's.

So instead of a colorblind version of that law the new immigration act makes it hard for everyone who doesn't sneak over.

Post: #421

About 5 pages back everyone was conceding this to Hillary?

The bitch has no talent. Politics is about connecting with people. She was gifted the Presidency in 2008 but lost in the primary to a community organizer turned politician who had almost no decent resume.

Seriously Dems are wringing their hands about now talking about drafting Joe Biden they are so worried that Hillary will screw this up...

Reagan DID NOT START the NeoCon revolution. That was a Bush thing. And if you connect dots the Neocons basically have one agenda. Defend Israel, and fight wars on behalf of Israel. I was Anti-Bush and a big Pat Buchanan supporter but the GOP dirty tricks guys found a way to make Pat "Anti-Semite" whatever the hell that is. I guess it means you pissed off Irving Kristol and his faggy son Bill. In any case Reagan did not have very many direct conflicts.

By the way Trump once considered running on a 3rd party ticket that Pat Buchanan was forming. Also remember that Ross Perot saw the issues that Pat was getting roaring approval for and took those issues and ran with them. (Giant Sucking Sound of Jobs). Trump is likely going to be more of an American Jobs protector where he can. PaleoConservatives are much more Nationalist and I'm sorry but at this point in history that's a good thing. I am hoping Donald is a Paleo-Con and takes Pat Buchanan as a consultant.

Pat does live to chide Bibi Netanyahu so I don't know Trump will want that or not.

I am a Rand Paul guy. Yet I love what Trump is doing.

My wet dream is that we finish Iowa, NH and South Carolina with Trump and Paul as the clear Front-runners. Would squishy, John McCain and Lindsey Graham types change parties? Anyway I would love to see GOP insiders get their hats handed to them.

Rubio wants to increase H-1B Visa's by 3X. I personally can't stand that crap especially being in software.

Post: #422

For less than one mill with gov approval secretly the cartels can be wiped clean using ex military for hire guys and a little help on positions from USAF surveillance.

I'd just invade Mexico and keep pushing the border back until they fell inline. Then the wall would be smaller and not on a river.

Go big or go home.

Also would evict all the Mexicans off the land and create a new US state.

Post: #423

Would it be called Mexas?

Post: #424

(07-15-2015 08:52 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Would it be called Mexas?

MiXXas

Post: #425

(07-15-2015 07:55 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Reports are the "Latin Drugs Cartels" used to get $100 an oz for pot however the quality of legal pot in Colorado and Washington State is superior and the price around $25 an ounce so Sinaloa is reported to have stopped growing pot and converted their fields to opium poppies.

Say what? Most prices I've seen and heard are around $50/8th, $100/qtr, same as street prices in other states. ETA: After a few minutes of research it looks like prices are coming down in CO due to increased competition from more dispensaries and growers.

priceofweed.com
Quality Average ($/Oz.)* Sample Size
High Quality $241.29 3614
Medium Quality $195.21 3440

time.com(Here's Why Marijuana Prices Appear To Be Dropping In Colorado)
"Convergex reports that the average price for 1/8th of an ounce dropped from between $50 and $70 last June to between $30 and $45 now. The price of a full ounce is now between $250 and $300 after selling for roughly $300 to $400 a year ago."

mmjamerica.com

Great post though DD, I'm not trying to derail the thread or be critical. I just got a boner for a second thinking there might be $25/oz bud in CO, I was ready to get in the car right now and drive up.

Back to the thread topic, it is refreshing to see Trump's approach. He might just transcend the left vs right bs that this country is obsessed with and turn this election into an us vs the SJW/PC/manginas battle.