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Mister X · 2015-05-23 12:18:00 · #5426
I hate making what I refer to as "frame corrections."
Basically, everything is cool with you and a girl, then she does something disrespectful to piss you off - not to the point where it can't be salvaged, but enough that, if you don't draw the line and tell her quite plainly it's unacceptable, it's the beginning of the end.
Let's say the girl flakes, and then you give it a day or so, then hit her with a text that comes across, not as clingy or beta, but lets her know you're disappointed in her actions. Anytime I do this, anytime I send the correction text, they respond within minutes. Doesn't matter what time of day it is or what she might be doing. She reads a short but sharp text, and immediately does damage control. It's amazing that women always have time for drama. Send them a flirty text, or ask them on a date, you may get hit with radio silence. Send a text that in essence says "I thought you were cooler than that but I guess not. That's disappointing." and they come out of hiding.
I would prefer they didn't do disrespectful shit to begin with. Every time I have to make a frame correction, it feels like a small hole has been poked in the attraction tire, and it's a slow leak from here on out.
Basically, everything is cool with you and a girl, then she does something disrespectful to piss you off - not to the point where it can't be salvaged, but enough that, if you don't draw the line and tell her quite plainly it's unacceptable, it's the beginning of the end.
Let's say the girl flakes, and then you give it a day or so, then hit her with a text that comes across, not as clingy or beta, but lets her know you're disappointed in her actions. Anytime I do this, anytime I send the correction text, they respond within minutes. Doesn't matter what time of day it is or what she might be doing. She reads a short but sharp text, and immediately does damage control. It's amazing that women always have time for drama. Send them a flirty text, or ask them on a date, you may get hit with radio silence. Send a text that in essence says "I thought you were cooler than that but I guess not. That's disappointing." and they come out of hiding.
I would prefer they didn't do disrespectful shit to begin with. Every time I have to make a frame correction, it feels like a small hole has been poked in the attraction tire, and it's a slow leak from here on out.
bigbait · 2015-05-23 18:05:00 · #5427
(05-23-2015 12:18 PM)Mister X Wrote: I hate making what I refer to as "frame corrections."
Basically, everything is cool with you and a girl, then she does something disrespectful to piss you off - not to the point where it can't be salvaged, but enough that, if you don't draw the line and tell her quite plainly it's unacceptable, it's the beginning of the end.
Let's say the girl flakes, and then you give it a day or so, then hit her with a text that comes across, not as clingy or beta, but lets her know you're disappointed in her actions. Anytime I do this, anytime I send the correction text, they respond within minutes. Doesn't matter what time of day it is or what she might be doing. She reads a short but sharp text, and immediately does damage control. It's amazing that women always have time for drama. Send them a flirty text, or ask them on a date, you may get hit with radio silence. Send a text that in essence says "I thought you were cooler than that but I guess not. That's disappointing." and they come out of hiding.
I would prefer they didn't do disrespectful shit to begin with. Every time I have to make a frame correction, it feels like a small hole has been poked in the attraction tire, and it's a slow leak from here on out.
Why bother to frame correct? The girl will learn nothing from it. If she does something that requires correction just move on to another girl.
WestIndianArchie · 2015-05-24 00:50:00 · #5428
Out tonight. 1st night in a minute. I'm here to stack ends. I want Colombia not Columbia Heights. The city that treats me well financially, but I dislike it socially.
Rolling with my boy, we hit the low key hip hop spot.
A few brews, a couple of debates about the Golden Era, good times.
He's convinced that in 2013, DC changed. The fat chicks are no longer fat. I'd say the entire night, I saw a fair amount of lard, but I saw one stunner, and more than a few cuties. Not bad DC, not bad.
Anyway
I need to stop drinking beer that I don't like. Red Stripe and Sapporo are dead to me, but 3 years ago I couldn't get enough.
Anyway, as we leave the warm embrace of Hootie Hoo followed by Incarcerated Scarfaces, a cougar strolls by us, eyeing the spot.
Being the kinda dude that I am, "I'm like everybody loves Wu Tang, you should step in the spot"
Bait, Hook, and she's into us.
A chick rolling solo means she's trolling for cock.
Throw a few years on it, and well you know.
From the jump, she takes a liking to us, but to my boy especially.
Chocolate Boy Wonder shaves his head, and she's feeling it.
She of course gives me the courtesy compliment, but we keep it moving.
So she invites herself into our street crawl. My boy, consummate Caribbean Mack that he is, guides her to a wine bar on 14th.
Now I'm the 3rd wheel. As she paws him and compliments him
It was a thing of beauty.
All cause I was being social.
WIA
Rolling with my boy, we hit the low key hip hop spot.
A few brews, a couple of debates about the Golden Era, good times.
He's convinced that in 2013, DC changed. The fat chicks are no longer fat. I'd say the entire night, I saw a fair amount of lard, but I saw one stunner, and more than a few cuties. Not bad DC, not bad.
Anyway
I need to stop drinking beer that I don't like. Red Stripe and Sapporo are dead to me, but 3 years ago I couldn't get enough.
Anyway, as we leave the warm embrace of Hootie Hoo followed by Incarcerated Scarfaces, a cougar strolls by us, eyeing the spot.
Being the kinda dude that I am, "I'm like everybody loves Wu Tang, you should step in the spot"
Bait, Hook, and she's into us.
A chick rolling solo means she's trolling for cock.
Throw a few years on it, and well you know.
From the jump, she takes a liking to us, but to my boy especially.
Chocolate Boy Wonder shaves his head, and she's feeling it.
She of course gives me the courtesy compliment, but we keep it moving.
So she invites herself into our street crawl. My boy, consummate Caribbean Mack that he is, guides her to a wine bar on 14th.
Now I'm the 3rd wheel. As she paws him and compliments him
It was a thing of beauty.
All cause I was being social.
WIA
Roardog · 2015-05-25 02:41:00 · #5429
Thirst is real.
Today at work a $150 bunch of roses got delivered to my PA. I know they're worth this because she went on the website of the company that delivered them to check.
They are from a guy she has been on 3 dates with (One of several guys she is currently seeing) but has not slept with. Their last date was less than 48 hours ago.
The kicker? She was telling me not 2 hours before they got delivered how she's going to break it off with him as she's not feeling it.
What a chump.
Today at work a $150 bunch of roses got delivered to my PA. I know they're worth this because she went on the website of the company that delivered them to check.
They are from a guy she has been on 3 dates with (One of several guys she is currently seeing) but has not slept with. Their last date was less than 48 hours ago.
The kicker? She was telling me not 2 hours before they got delivered how she's going to break it off with him as she's not feeling it.
What a chump.
DonnyGately · 2015-05-25 15:20:00 · #5430
One of my harem girls I do bondage with suggested I get a 20-yr old for the more 'flexible' positions. Don't you just love women sometimes?
Getting ready to pull diglets off a Texas 8 that comes fully equipped with the upgraded whooty. 10 minutes and counting.
Dalaran1991 · 2015-05-26 04:20:00 · #5432
(05-25-2015 02:41 AM)Roardog Wrote: Thirst is real.
Today at work a $150 bunch of roses got delivered to my PA. I know they're worth this because she went on the website of the company that delivered them to check.
They are from a guy she has been on 3 dates with (One of several guys she is currently seeing) but has not slept with. Their last date was less than 48 hours ago.
The kicker? She was telling me not 2 hours before they got delivered how she's going to break it off with him as she's not feeling it.
What a chump.
One blonde told me something similar, but it was a 150$ dinner, just so that she could be on the phone texting the whole meal.
I could go on and on but Im trying to break off a negative mood. Reading about how guys are thirsty and the other thread on bitches notch count isnt exactly conducive to my goal right now
Zooxanthellae · 2015-05-26 20:17:00 · #5433
Friday night, went out with a game-aware guy in Santa Monica. Drank a bit too much but it did help me get "the fury".
Ended up holding down a 3-set of Norwegian girls between the two of us most of the night. One of them happened to be from a town in Norway I'd been to.
Made several errors in the field as I am just getting back into regular gaming after a few months off to build a business.
Error #1: Not selecting a target fast enough. Effectively flirted with all of them and never picked a horse to bet on.
Error #2: Not screening hard enough if they were just Scandinavian cock teases (which they were).
Error #3: Not escalating on any of them. Just staying in verbal fun game. That was the nail in the coffin.
Error #4: Did not project voice well. That's one of the first thing that goes away with a break from game.
Error #5: Never made an insta-wing so hold down the third girl. Eventually had a third wheel situation since there as only me and my wing on three girls.
I did a couple things right however.
Success #1: Began challenging each other to open the minute we got in the bar. Momentum FTW.
Success #2: AMOGed a guy trying to steal our Norway chicks. Now as a general point I think AMOGing is lame and childish but in this case I was just getting back into game and it was a success in that it meant I still had a bit of courage in field even after such a long break.
Success #3: The fact I am back at it taking it seriously and attempting to get better
Ended up holding down a 3-set of Norwegian girls between the two of us most of the night. One of them happened to be from a town in Norway I'd been to.
Made several errors in the field as I am just getting back into regular gaming after a few months off to build a business.
Error #1: Not selecting a target fast enough. Effectively flirted with all of them and never picked a horse to bet on.
Error #2: Not screening hard enough if they were just Scandinavian cock teases (which they were).
Error #3: Not escalating on any of them. Just staying in verbal fun game. That was the nail in the coffin.
Error #4: Did not project voice well. That's one of the first thing that goes away with a break from game.
Error #5: Never made an insta-wing so hold down the third girl. Eventually had a third wheel situation since there as only me and my wing on three girls.
I did a couple things right however.
Success #1: Began challenging each other to open the minute we got in the bar. Momentum FTW.
Success #2: AMOGed a guy trying to steal our Norway chicks. Now as a general point I think AMOGing is lame and childish but in this case I was just getting back into game and it was a success in that it meant I still had a bit of courage in field even after such a long break.
Success #3: The fact I am back at it taking it seriously and attempting to get better
Zooxanthellae · 2015-05-26 20:19:00 · #5434
Saturday night, went out with a couple gamers in Santa Monica again.
Had lost a credit card the night before so was in a terrible mood.
What I did right was go out despite being in a bad mood. Good training for when I'm actually happy and gaming, ha
What I did wrong was not open enough to get my momentum going. Also one of the wings I went with is terribly annoying and talks too much theory in field and just fucks up the vibe. I shouldn't have bought into this frame and listened to his nonsense.
Monday day, went out to a Memorial Day barbecue, was super beta the whole time... I have a long history with the folks and could have done better.
There was a fatty gagging for it the whole day and I was generally not attracted to her but I should have practiced more game tactics on her just to keep the skillset.
Must stop caring what people think.
What I did right was continue building my "in-field" voice back up... going to take a while to shake off the rust but... undeterred.
Had lost a credit card the night before so was in a terrible mood.
What I did right was go out despite being in a bad mood. Good training for when I'm actually happy and gaming, ha
What I did wrong was not open enough to get my momentum going. Also one of the wings I went with is terribly annoying and talks too much theory in field and just fucks up the vibe. I shouldn't have bought into this frame and listened to his nonsense.
Monday day, went out to a Memorial Day barbecue, was super beta the whole time... I have a long history with the folks and could have done better.
There was a fatty gagging for it the whole day and I was generally not attracted to her but I should have practiced more game tactics on her just to keep the skillset.
Must stop caring what people think.
What I did right was continue building my "in-field" voice back up... going to take a while to shake off the rust but... undeterred.
Checkmat · 2015-05-27 12:54:00 · #5435
Had a confusing first date with a 26 y/o chick with DDD tits. Biggest natural tits I'd ever seen in my life.
Spit tight game and lots of mutual touching the whole night. Lots of flirting and sexual talk, she was constantly laughing and got very close to me several times. Everything was on point for a possible same night bang. We shared a good amount of personal stories too, and built a strong rapport.
I've been doing the same night lay strategy of not making out at any of the venues, but inviting her to your place for the supposed makeout but actual bang attempt.
After the second spot we are walking towards her car/my apartment (#logistics) and I say, "you trying to still hang out? It's Sunday, most places are closing down this hour." She politely declines. Understandable, she has two kids who may need her or whatever.
Once we get to her car I ask if she can drive me back to my apartment so I don't have to walk. She agrees without hesitation. I think I'll have a better chance of her coming up to my place if she is right there. At the very least should get a make out in the car if all else fails.
Once we get in her car she drives like a maniac and doesn't talk much. It's a short drive but I know how I drive when I want to GTFO of dodge. My confusion begins. We get to my place and as we say our goodbyes she leans in...And moves her head to the side to give me a hug. I'm very surprised at the sudden asexual vibe. As she starts to pull away I dash my face towards hers and kiss her. She kisses me back, and we make out for less than 10 seconds. I pull away first, she laughs and I exit the car. She drives off and hasn't returned texts for a second date.
First date I've ever had where things are 100% on lock but for some strange reason she does a 180 at the end. The beta buried deep inside of me has to admit I genuinely liked this girl and enjoyed my time with her. I was looking forward to developing a relationship because we hit it off so well.
Just goes to show that you have to shrug and say, Next! Maybe I wasn't tall enough for her. Or did/said something at the end that she didn't like.
Girls can be so fickle. I would have been proud of my game if a hidden camera crew followed the entire date. I wouldn't have changed a thing.
Fuck it, onward to the next one!
Spit tight game and lots of mutual touching the whole night. Lots of flirting and sexual talk, she was constantly laughing and got very close to me several times. Everything was on point for a possible same night bang. We shared a good amount of personal stories too, and built a strong rapport.
I've been doing the same night lay strategy of not making out at any of the venues, but inviting her to your place for the supposed makeout but actual bang attempt.
After the second spot we are walking towards her car/my apartment (#logistics) and I say, "you trying to still hang out? It's Sunday, most places are closing down this hour." She politely declines. Understandable, she has two kids who may need her or whatever.
Once we get to her car I ask if she can drive me back to my apartment so I don't have to walk. She agrees without hesitation. I think I'll have a better chance of her coming up to my place if she is right there. At the very least should get a make out in the car if all else fails.
Once we get in her car she drives like a maniac and doesn't talk much. It's a short drive but I know how I drive when I want to GTFO of dodge. My confusion begins. We get to my place and as we say our goodbyes she leans in...And moves her head to the side to give me a hug. I'm very surprised at the sudden asexual vibe. As she starts to pull away I dash my face towards hers and kiss her. She kisses me back, and we make out for less than 10 seconds. I pull away first, she laughs and I exit the car. She drives off and hasn't returned texts for a second date.
First date I've ever had where things are 100% on lock but for some strange reason she does a 180 at the end. The beta buried deep inside of me has to admit I genuinely liked this girl and enjoyed my time with her. I was looking forward to developing a relationship because we hit it off so well.
Just goes to show that you have to shrug and say, Next! Maybe I wasn't tall enough for her. Or did/said something at the end that she didn't like.
Girls can be so fickle. I would have been proud of my game if a hidden camera crew followed the entire date. I wouldn't have changed a thing.
Fuck it, onward to the next one!
OregonToSoCal · 2015-05-27 13:26:00 · #5436
Had a date with a 23 yo Asian girl from OKC yesterday. Met for ice cream, my new go to first date move, and we seemed to have a good conversation. She had a strong good girl vibe about her so I was debating if I should go for the first date bang or see about getting a second date. Based on the fact that she was only 23 and figured the ASD would be not too great, I invited her back to my place for a drink. She was hesitant at first and then threw up the "you just want to get me back to your place" shit test. After pretending to think about it for a couple of seconds I replied "Pfft, of course I do!" and she giggled and we were on our way.
Once back at my place I poured her a glass of JD Honey Jack Whiskey and after her first sip I pulled her in and kissed her. She seemed to enjoy it and then pulled away from me and we went and sat on my couch and listened to Pandora on my TV. After chatting for a few minutes I pull her in again and we begin making out. She's moaning and I start going caveman on her and squeezing her breasts and then pushing her shirt up and sucking on them. I put my hand down her pants and her pussy is soaking wet and I start lightly fingering her. I stand up and want to take her over to my bed and get the "uh uh, we're not doing that tonight" line from her. She then says "I'll make out with you but nothing more". I say "Sure, no problem" and we make out some more. She starts getting really turned on again and I pull her on top of me so she's straddling me on the couch and I take off her shirt and just when I unhook her bra she stops me again and suddenly "comes to" saying "I think I need to be going home now". I stop all escalation and sit back on the couch and say "No worries, I want you to be comfortable" and I don't force the issue. All the while she's continuing to talk herself into stopping everything. "um, yeah, I really need to go, uh huh, yes". It was kind of comical so I changed the subject and we started talking about photography. Still I could tell she was distracted and I went for a third and final try to kiss her and she finally said "Ok, I need to go, walk me to my car?"
I walked her to her car and gave her a hug and quick kiss goodbye. This morning I sent her a text saying I had fun and referenced a joke from last night. That was 3 hours ago no reply.
I'm realizing that these near misses are the most difficult for me to take. I'm more/less fine with a flat rejection of coming back to my place but to be so close, yet so far and know that I'll likely never get a second shot really sucks...
Once back at my place I poured her a glass of JD Honey Jack Whiskey and after her first sip I pulled her in and kissed her. She seemed to enjoy it and then pulled away from me and we went and sat on my couch and listened to Pandora on my TV. After chatting for a few minutes I pull her in again and we begin making out. She's moaning and I start going caveman on her and squeezing her breasts and then pushing her shirt up and sucking on them. I put my hand down her pants and her pussy is soaking wet and I start lightly fingering her. I stand up and want to take her over to my bed and get the "uh uh, we're not doing that tonight" line from her. She then says "I'll make out with you but nothing more". I say "Sure, no problem" and we make out some more. She starts getting really turned on again and I pull her on top of me so she's straddling me on the couch and I take off her shirt and just when I unhook her bra she stops me again and suddenly "comes to" saying "I think I need to be going home now". I stop all escalation and sit back on the couch and say "No worries, I want you to be comfortable" and I don't force the issue. All the while she's continuing to talk herself into stopping everything. "um, yeah, I really need to go, uh huh, yes". It was kind of comical so I changed the subject and we started talking about photography. Still I could tell she was distracted and I went for a third and final try to kiss her and she finally said "Ok, I need to go, walk me to my car?"
I walked her to her car and gave her a hug and quick kiss goodbye. This morning I sent her a text saying I had fun and referenced a joke from last night. That was 3 hours ago no reply.
I'm realizing that these near misses are the most difficult for me to take. I'm more/less fine with a flat rejection of coming back to my place but to be so close, yet so far and know that I'll likely never get a second shot really sucks...
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-05-27 13:32:00 · #5437
(05-27-2015 01:26 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote: Had a date with a 23 yo Asian girl from OKC yesterday. Met for ice cream, my new go to first date move, and we seemed to have a good conversation. She had a strong good girl vibe about her so I was debating if I should go for the first date bang or see about getting a second date. Based on the fact that she was only 23 and figured the ASD would be not too great, I invited her back to my place for a drink. She was hesitant at first and then threw up the "you just want to get me back to your place" shit test. After pretending to think about it for a couple of seconds I replied "Pfft, of course I do!" and she giggled and we were on our way.
Once back at my place I poured her a glass of JD Honey Jack Whiskey and after her first sip I pulled her in and kissed her. She seemed to enjoy it and then pulled away from me and we went and sat on my couch and listened to Pandora on my TV. After chatting for a few minutes I pull her in again and we begin making out. She's moaning and I start going caveman on her and squeezing her breasts and then pushing her shirt up and sucking on them. I put my hand down her pants and her pussy is soaking wet and I start lightly fingering her. I stand up and want to take her over to my bed and get the "uh uh, we're not doing that tonight" line from her. She then says "I'll make out with you but nothing more". I say "Sure, no problem" and we make out some more. She starts getting really turned on again and I pull her on top of me so she's straddling me on the couch and I take off her shirt and just when I unhook her bra she stops me again and suddenly "comes to" saying "I think I need to be going home now". I stop all escalation and sit back on the couch and say "No worries, I want you to be comfortable" and I don't force the issue. All the while she's continuing to talk herself into stopping everything. "um, yeah, I really need to go, uh huh, yes". It was kind of comical so I changed the subject and we started talking about photography. Still I could tell she was distracted and I went for a third and final try to kiss her and she finally said "Ok, I need to go, walk me to my car?"
I walked her to her car and gave her a hug and quick kiss goodbye. This morning I sent her a text saying I had fun and referenced a joke from last night. That was 3 hours ago no reply.
I'm realizing that these near misses are the most difficult for me to take. I'm more/less fine with a flat rejection of coming back to my place but to be so close, yet so far and know that I'll likely never get a second shot really sucks...
Don't even worry about it just let it sit. Don't text her don't call her she'll text you I guarantee it. The more you don't give a fuck and come across it not being a big deal by not texting her she'll get antsy and want to text back. Just let it sit and focus on another girl.
If she doesn't text back within a week I would just delete the number and move on as she was using you for attention.
WestIndianArchie · 2015-05-27 13:39:00 · #5438
Well that escalated quickly.
WIA
WIA
Roardog · 2015-05-28 00:35:00 · #5439
(05-27-2015 01:26 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote: Had a date with a 23 yo Asian girl from OKC yesterday. Met for ice cream, my new go to first date move, and we seemed to have a good conversation. She had a strong good girl vibe about her so I was debating if I should go for the first date bang or see about getting a second date. Based on the fact that she was only 23 and figured the ASD would be not too great, I invited her back to my place for a drink. She was hesitant at first and then threw up the "you just want to get me back to your place" shit test. After pretending to think about it for a couple of seconds I replied "Pfft, of course I do!" and she giggled and we were on our way.
Once back at my place I poured her a glass of JD Honey Jack Whiskey and after her first sip I pulled her in and kissed her. She seemed to enjoy it and then pulled away from me and we went and sat on my couch and listened to Pandora on my TV. After chatting for a few minutes I pull her in again and we begin making out. She's moaning and I start going caveman on her and squeezing her breasts and then pushing her shirt up and sucking on them. I put my hand down her pants and her pussy is soaking wet and I start lightly fingering her. I stand up and want to take her over to my bed and get the "uh uh, we're not doing that tonight" line from her. She then says "I'll make out with you but nothing more". I say "Sure, no problem" and we make out some more. She starts getting really turned on again and I pull her on top of me so she's straddling me on the couch and I take off her shirt and just when I unhook her bra she stops me again and suddenly "comes to" saying "I think I need to be going home now". I stop all escalation and sit back on the couch and say "No worries, I want you to be comfortable" and I don't force the issue. All the while she's continuing to talk herself into stopping everything. "um, yeah, I really need to go, uh huh, yes". It was kind of comical so I changed the subject and we started talking about photography. Still I could tell she was distracted and I went for a third and final try to kiss her and she finally said "Ok, I need to go, walk me to my car?"
I walked her to her car and gave her a hug and quick kiss goodbye. This morning I sent her a text saying I had fun and referenced a joke from last night. That was 3 hours ago no reply.
I'm realizing that these near misses are the most difficult for me to take. I'm more/less fine with a flat rejection of coming back to my place but to be so close, yet so far and know that I'll likely never get a second shot really sucks...
Don't beat yourself up man, I've had this happen to me a few times and I know how frustrating it is. You get a good makeout with the girl so you think she's really into you and that the date has gone well despite you not being able to get the bang, then you never hear from her again. As a guy it makes no sense to us.
However I read an article over at RoK recently where why this happens was decribed perfectly. To sum it up, girls like to think that "sex just happens" as it doesn't make them feel like a slut. So when you have a heavy makeout with a girl, even though she really enjoyed it, you have actually removed the possibility of this "it just happened" defense because she now knows that the next time you see her sex is on the cards. So by getting the makeout you are actually activiating her ASD and shooting yourself in the foot.
It is retarded but basically means that if you escalate on a first date but don't get the bang, you can pretty much say goodbye to seeing her again.
Dalaran1991 · 2015-05-28 06:25:00 · #5440
Ive always played it cool and bite my tongue to get the bang, but if bitches are throwing shit post bang at one point you just gotta say fuck it, I aint no terminator.
I banged one girl silly twice and she seemed like couldn’t get enough of me. Then she went off to see her BF for a week. Once she came back she said we’re not having sex anymore, but still love to hang out. I played it cool and hung out with her a few times. But bitch wouldn’t even let me touch or kiss her and be bitchy to me the whole time, ie criticizing my job, my world view and shit.
I got a fucking headache and nexted her. Last night she sent me a text “so do you wanna talk to me again-ever?” and I was just coming back from a much hotter date than her.
I was like, I don’t have half a shit to give, so I did what is anathema on RVF: I called her out on her shit, in a beta way too. “I do but you’ve been treating me very badly etc…. In short you make me feel like a horrible person. I would like to keep seeing you but I’m confused of what we are expecting from each other”
Bitch can take it or leave it. There’s no way you can act like that to a guy you’ve fucked since you no longer have any leverage.
I banged one girl silly twice and she seemed like couldn’t get enough of me. Then she went off to see her BF for a week. Once she came back she said we’re not having sex anymore, but still love to hang out. I played it cool and hung out with her a few times. But bitch wouldn’t even let me touch or kiss her and be bitchy to me the whole time, ie criticizing my job, my world view and shit.
I got a fucking headache and nexted her. Last night she sent me a text “so do you wanna talk to me again-ever?” and I was just coming back from a much hotter date than her.
I was like, I don’t have half a shit to give, so I did what is anathema on RVF: I called her out on her shit, in a beta way too. “I do but you’ve been treating me very badly etc…. In short you make me feel like a horrible person. I would like to keep seeing you but I’m confused of what we are expecting from each other”
Bitch can take it or leave it. There’s no way you can act like that to a guy you’ve fucked since you no longer have any leverage.
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-05-28 07:59:00 · #5441
^You are a much nicer man than I am mate. I would have made a few jokes at her expense like I usually do to clowns who cockblock me.
Actually I would have turned the entire "date" into that.
Actually I would have turned the entire "date" into that.
WestIndianArchie · 2015-05-28 08:42:00 · #5442
You gotta be ruthless with your time when it comes to broads.
The move here is to only deal with this chick if she brings you another girl, or you can use her as a pawn/social proof. Otherwise she can't get the attention that she craves from you. Ass or cash, nobody rides for free
The move here is to only deal with this chick if she brings you another girl, or you can use her as a pawn/social proof. Otherwise she can't get the attention that she craves from you. Ass or cash, nobody rides for free
Dalaran1991 · 2015-05-28 08:52:00 · #5443
OregonToSoCal · 2015-05-28 09:45:00 · #5444
(05-28-2015 12:35 AM)Roardog Wrote: Don't beat yourself up man, I've had this happen to me a few times and I know how frustrating it is. You get a good makeout with the girl so you think she's really into you and that the date has gone well despite you not being able to get the bang, then you never hear from her again. As a guy it makes no sense to us.
However I read an article over at RoK recently where why this happens was decribed perfectly. To sum it up, girls like to think that "sex just happens" as it doesn't make them feel like a slut. So when you have a heavy makeout with a girl, even though she really enjoyed it, you have actually removed the possibility of this "it just happened" defense because she now knows that the next time you see her sex is on the cards. So by getting the makeout you are actually activiating her ASD and shooting yourself in the foot.
It is retarded but basically means that if you escalate on a first date but don't get the bang, you can pretty much say goodbye to seeing her again.
That's exactly what I thought happened. I can count the women on one hand that I saw a second time where we got close to sex and it didn't happen. There's a blogger named BlackDragon who wrote an article about how he has a specific system of going for the bang on the second date because so many women have such strong first date ASD. I'm not quite there yet as far as never going for the first date bang but I need to trust my gut feeling as to whether she's DTF or not and not try to make something out of nothing. With this particular girl my gut told me she wasn't but I went for it anyway since she was only in her early 20's. Live and learn...
MrXY · 2015-05-28 10:02:00 · #5445
(05-28-2015 08:52 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:(05-28-2015 08:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: Ass or cash, nobody rides for free
New favorite quote of the month.
You're too young to know this, but it comes from a bumpersticker that hippie guys put on their hippie vans in the late 60's to mid 70's which said:
Gas, Grass, or Ass, Nobody Rides for Free
Hitchhiking and hippies traveling aimlessly around the country by bumming rides with people they met was common then, and these guys were saying that they didn't accept freeloaders; if you wanted a ride you had to contribute something.
Like WIA, this is a mantra of mine when dealing with girls; that you have an expectation that a woman will contribute to your life in order to be worthy of your time and effort.
Plus, you know you are gaming and banging a girl well when she is not only fucking you, but she is volunteering to pay for things for you too.
On another note, I've rented a pussy slayer house for the summer. Less than a mile from the largest outdoor shopping mall in the region, with lots of bars, restaurants and a nightclub that is one of the top two places in town to pull girls from. I timed it; less than three minutes from the parking lot to my driveway. Plenty of other nightlife places close by as well. It has a big pool with a large pool deck that overlooks a natural spring pond and is two blocks from the beach. Beautiful house too, wooden floors and plenty of big windows with shutters. Two car garage where I can work on my cars.
I've decided to put aside my rule about not bringing girls home because the advantages of this house are too great. I've already banged one previous notch here who spent the night as she was on a business trip and couple of nights ago got a SNL off POF who came back for more last night. Of course my main gambit will be to pull girls from nearby night venues, but I also want to try the Zero Date format with the pool as a lure; it has palm trees, deck chairs, tables with umbrellas and a big grill for cooking. I already have pics on my phone to show them. I can invite them over for grilled steak and drinks by the pool; girls love that, it makes them feel that they are really living it up. A few drinks then it's up to the room to watch a movie.
heavy · 2015-05-28 10:14:00 · #5446
(05-27-2015 12:54 PM)Checkmat Wrote: Had a confusing first date with a 26 y/o chick with DDD tits. Biggest natural tits I'd ever seen in my life.
Spit tight game and lots of mutual touching the whole night. Lots of flirting and sexual talk, she was constantly laughing and got very close to me several times. Everything was on point for a possible same night bang. We shared a good amount of personal stories too, and built a strong rapport.
I've been doing the same night lay strategy of not making out at any of the venues, but inviting her to your place for the supposed makeout but actual bang attempt.
After the second spot we are walking towards her car/my apartment (#logistics) and I say, "you trying to still hang out? It's Sunday, most places are closing down this hour." She politely declines. Understandable, she has two kids who may need her or whatever.
Once we get to her car I ask if she can drive me back to my apartment so I don't have to walk. She agrees without hesitation. I think I'll have a better chance of her coming up to my place if she is right there. At the very least should get a make out in the car if all else fails.
Once we get in her car she drives like a maniac and doesn't talk much. It's a short drive but I know how I drive when I want to GTFO of dodge. My confusion begins. We get to my place and as we say our goodbyes she leans in...And moves her head to the side to give me a hug. I'm very surprised at the sudden asexual vibe. As she starts to pull away I dash my face towards hers and kiss her. She kisses me back, and we make out for less than 10 seconds. I pull away first, she laughs and I exit the car. She drives off and hasn't returned texts for a second date.
First date I've ever had where things are 100% on lock but for some strange reason she does a 180 at the end. The beta buried deep inside of me has to admit I genuinely liked this girl and enjoyed my time with her. I was looking forward to developing a relationship because we hit it off so well.
Just goes to show that you have to shrug and say, Next! Maybe I wasn't tall enough for her. Or did/said something at the end that she didn't like.
Girls can be so fickle. I would have been proud of my game if a hidden camera crew followed the entire date. I wouldn't have changed a thing.
Fuck it, onward to the next one!
One thing my buddy who's a natural pointed out...
"Well yeah heavy, because you actually liked her. If you treated her like the girls you don't really care that much about she'd probably behave differently."
Always a good debriefing.
kaotic · 2015-05-28 11:57:00 · #5447
Dalaran I would've went radio silent on that girl or just kept things civil but never hangout with her.
Anytime a girl says "BUT I'd still love to hangout with you" - she's nexting you nicely.
Rarely has a girl said that and wanted to bang again later.
WIA's right, if she isn't a resource for you, then next her asap.
Anytime a girl says "BUT I'd still love to hangout with you" - she's nexting you nicely.
Rarely has a girl said that and wanted to bang again later.
WIA's right, if she isn't a resource for you, then next her asap.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-05-28 12:27:00 · #5448
(05-28-2015 11:57 AM)kaotic Wrote: Dalaran I would've went radio silent on that girl or just kept things civil but never hangout with her.
Anytime a girl says "BUT I'd still love to hangout with you" - she's nexting you nicely.
Rarely has a girl said that and wanted to bang again later.
WIA's right, if she isn't a resource for you, then next her asap.
Exactly Kaotic. Her reply should be taken at face value, and that is she's attempting to friendzone the OP.
Roardog · 2015-05-28 19:43:00 · #5449
(05-28-2015 09:45 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:(05-28-2015 12:35 AM)Roardog Wrote: Don't beat yourself up man, I've had this happen to me a few times and I know how frustrating it is. You get a good makeout with the girl so you think she's really into you and that the date has gone well despite you not being able to get the bang, then you never hear from her again. As a guy it makes no sense to us.
However I read an article over at RoK recently where why this happens was decribed perfectly. To sum it up, girls like to think that "sex just happens" as it doesn't make them feel like a slut. So when you have a heavy makeout with a girl, even though she really enjoyed it, you have actually removed the possibility of this "it just happened" defense because she now knows that the next time you see her sex is on the cards. So by getting the makeout you are actually activiating her ASD and shooting yourself in the foot.
It is retarded but basically means that if you escalate on a first date but don't get the bang, you can pretty much say goodbye to seeing her again.
That's exactly what I thought happened. I can count the women on one hand that I saw a second time where we got close to sex and it didn't happen. There's a blogger named BlackDragon who wrote an article about how he has a specific system of going for the bang on the second date because so many women have such strong first date ASD. I'm not quite there yet as far as never going for the first date bang but I need to trust my gut feeling as to whether she's DTF or not and not try to make something out of nothing. With this particular girl my gut told me she wasn't but I went for it anyway since she was only in her early 20's. Live and learn...
Do you have a link to that article?
Agreddor · 2015-05-29 01:14:00 · #5450
Went home alone on wed night.
I literally ended up getting cold feet when I got on the dance floor; forgot everything I learnt.
Didnt do much dance floor game for the above reason and the fact that there were too many fatties. Some were dancing in groups, Others were already taken. I thought about amoging but my dance game is shit so I went to the smoking patio instead.
Strangely enough there were a lot of Russians at the club. Opened this milf who was surrounded by old farts in Russian and she patted my head calling me a little boy. Should have told her that that wouldn't fly but I didnt, regretting it now.
Opened two Ukrainians and they blew me off saying I spoke Russian with a strange accent
Heard 3 girls speaking russian. Opened with "you must be from Russia" in Russian.
One of them squealed "wow he's speaking Russian OMG"
I pull my wing in and they love him. Start calling him Edward Cullen. Filipino chick joins the group she guesses I'm from hongkong and tells me she's going there with Russian chick 2 next month. I'm speaking Russian with rus chick 2 and she's staring at my wing blankly. My wing does a Russian accent "I don't understand" we all laugh.
So the ruSians start Askinf me why I know Russian, Filipino chick butts in and say "tell them so you can talk to russia girls" I do that they laugh.
I run some corny lines "your eyes are clear as the water in lake baikal" and we shoot the shit for 30mins. Then their friend walks in resting Russian bitch face and all. Speaks to her friend in Russian tells her she'll be on the dance floor. I pull an Irish goodbye and see her standing with cihampaigne. I ask why she looks so bored and she isn't receptive. I neg in Russian and she says nice to meet you and walks off. I try dance floor game and it's getting nowhere.
Walk back to smoking patio and bitchy Russian points at her eyes and then points at Russian 1, bitchy Russian leaves and I wink at her.
I tell my friend in Chinese I'm gonna bounce, and Russian 1 invites us to a party on Sunday.
I literally ended up getting cold feet when I got on the dance floor; forgot everything I learnt.
Didnt do much dance floor game for the above reason and the fact that there were too many fatties. Some were dancing in groups, Others were already taken. I thought about amoging but my dance game is shit so I went to the smoking patio instead.
Strangely enough there were a lot of Russians at the club. Opened this milf who was surrounded by old farts in Russian and she patted my head calling me a little boy. Should have told her that that wouldn't fly but I didnt, regretting it now.
Opened two Ukrainians and they blew me off saying I spoke Russian with a strange accent
Heard 3 girls speaking russian. Opened with "you must be from Russia" in Russian.
One of them squealed "wow he's speaking Russian OMG"
I pull my wing in and they love him. Start calling him Edward Cullen. Filipino chick joins the group she guesses I'm from hongkong and tells me she's going there with Russian chick 2 next month. I'm speaking Russian with rus chick 2 and she's staring at my wing blankly. My wing does a Russian accent "I don't understand" we all laugh.
So the ruSians start Askinf me why I know Russian, Filipino chick butts in and say "tell them so you can talk to russia girls" I do that they laugh.
I run some corny lines "your eyes are clear as the water in lake baikal" and we shoot the shit for 30mins. Then their friend walks in resting Russian bitch face and all. Speaks to her friend in Russian tells her she'll be on the dance floor. I pull an Irish goodbye and see her standing with cihampaigne. I ask why she looks so bored and she isn't receptive. I neg in Russian and she says nice to meet you and walks off. I try dance floor game and it's getting nowhere.
Walk back to smoking patio and bitchy Russian points at her eyes and then points at Russian 1, bitchy Russian leaves and I wink at her.
I tell my friend in Chinese I'm gonna bounce, and Russian 1 invites us to a party on Sunday.