Post: #76

houston, you're giving me an idea for a "Cold Read" app - one where you input minor details about the person you're with (adjectives, birthdate, etc.), and it generates lines of questioning, dialogue you can use, potential shotguns or hedge lines that fit the categories, astrological links, etc. Maybe a switch for "nonromantic/sexual" (in case you want to make an impression on a man or a woman you don't want to sleep with) or "romantic/sexual" (for biological imperatives, of course). Disguise it as a text messaging app so you can use it during conversations (of course, you look distracted, but that could be used to one's advantage).

I'm a gemini, personally, and surprisingly enough it does fit a chunk of my personality (I chalk this up to coincidence).

Pusscrook, are you familiar with the Forer effect? It sounds like you're using it to great advantage.

There's a tarot card reader giving a talk at my university next week, but I have a quantum physics class at the same time. Oh, the poetry.

Post: #77

(11-04-2011 01:07 PM)5K2D Wrote:  Pusscrook, are you familiar with the Forer effect? It sounds like you're using it to great advantage.

No, I haven't. Tell me about it when you get a moment.

Post: #78

Long version: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e...rer_effect

Short version: Bertram Forer gave some people a personality test, then gave them all the exact same evaluation while telling them that their evaluations were tailored for them specifically (no one saw anyone else's result). The evaluation included plenty of hedge statements that apply to almost everyone, such as "You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them." Forer then asked everyone to give the evaluation a rating from 0 (least) to 5 (most) on how much the profile applied to them. Despite the fact that it was the same for everyone, the evaluation averaged a score of 4.26 - quite high.
The upshot is that you can make people believe that you are able to deeply comprehend their personality (their "soul" if they believe in that sort of thing) if you give them a predetermined evaluation that sounds specific but that could in fact apply to a wide range of people (plenty of deep-seated views of self and anxieties are commonly shared, for example) and lead them to believe that the evaluation is tailored specifically for them. Belief in astrology relies on the Forer effect - if this effect didn't exist, belief would be much less widespread.

Post: #79

(11-04-2011 11:29 PM)5K2D Wrote:  Long version: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e...rer_effect

Short version: Bertram Forer gave some people a personality test, then gave them all the exact same evaluation while telling them that their evaluations were tailored for them specifically (no one saw anyone else's result). The evaluation included plenty of hedge statements that apply to almost everyone, such as "You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them." Forer then asked everyone to give the evaluation a rating from 0 (least) to 5 (most) on how much the profile applied to them. Despite the fact that it was the same for everyone, the evaluation averaged a score of 4.26 - quite high.
The upshot is that you can make people believe that you are able to deeply comprehend their personality (their "soul" if they believe in that sort of thing) if you give them a predetermined evaluation that sounds specific but that could in fact apply to a wide range of people (plenty of deep-seated views of self and anxieties are commonly shared, for example) and lead them to believe that the evaluation is tailored specifically for them. Belief in astrology relies on the Forer effect - if this effect didn't exist, belief would be much less widespread.

Interesting read. I have applied such a method at various times , but , I don't usually collect information with the subject being given a pre -determined set of questions-test, behavioral biases of the subject known to me, or even cold -reading techniques, since for me, that would totally allow the subject to modify her behavior, rendering this "garbage" I use,useless. Horoscope patterns are not based on information you are given before hand , but by charts of planetary patterns in a given sign.

The point is , you are not trying to convince the subject of what he/she might be/should be, for this would amount to a "study" such as the one Forer chose to exercise. It would be interesting to note that in an uncontrolled environment, (as opposed to Forer) I have been able to come up with a high probability of accuracy regardless of location, advanced information, and more importantly,with those who were skeptical, or just plain not into it. In no uncertain terms, I can tell you that I have met enough people who have never been part of a study, nor do they live their lives by charts, but understood the information to be accurate enough . What I have found is that those who were skeptical, often chalk it up to subjective validation or coincidence. If we used the different theories of mean comparison in cross -culture theories, and combine it with "coincidence", would we conclude that as people interact, more than likely, they would have the same personality traits, cognitive biases, etc.? Would that be based on life experience, or mere coincidence? Conversely, what if they were no records that the two interacted, do not have the same set of life experiences,yet, had the same traits? Can we cay then that all humans in fact have the same traits , regardless of circumstances? Perhaps we should enquire.

Post: #80

The pisces analysis is so true. This girl has trying to mind fuck me for weeks now. Any tips on how to deal with her?

Post: #81

Cancer

Post: #82

Updated results, finally I'm not the only Scorpio here. Yay. Also, I second the thing about Forer effect (Barnum statements), I use that shit regularly in my cold reading and it's very effective. Frequently I run wild with it and make even specific statements, which turns out well too if you're a very empathic person.

Aries (March 21 - April 19): 1
Taurus (April 20 - May 20): 0
Gemini (May 21 - June 20): 3
Cancer (June 21 - July 21): 3
Leo (July 22 - August 21): 3
Virgo (August 22 - September 21): 0
Libra (September 22 - October 21): 6
Scorpio (October 22 - November 22): 2
Sagittarius (November 23 - December 21): 2
Capricorn (December 22 - January 20): 1
Aquarius (January 21 - February 19): 1
Pisces (February 20 - March 20): 2

TOTAL SURVEYED: 22

Post: #83

(11-06-2011 08:25 AM)Andreas Wrote:  Cancer

And what do you think about that??

Post: #84

(11-05-2011 09:13 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The pisces analysis is so true. This girl has trying to mind fuck me for weeks now. Any tips on how to deal with her?

Forgive me if I am too harsh . Sometimes I say things that may offend, but it is not my intention, and I try my best to control it.

Now, what is this business of "mind-fucking" you speak of? She could have been born in any of the 12 months, and mind fucking would have been your conclusion. First question would be , what are you projecting? Maybe you enjoy being a player, yet, you project love, and these whores see right thru the vail. Do you understand who you are if we wanted to use this garbage science?

This insecure creature called Pisces are masters of the pity party. Now you are torn between lover, and repair man, and you chalk it up to... "mind fucking". You know what you are dealing with, so how is it possible to fuck the mind of a player, unless the player is susceptible to such action? Your reward for balancing things out, is pussy, and perhaps she sees that you are quite comfortable with making it "right". Is the pussy keeping you, or are you keeping the pussy? Pisces know.

My advice:

Stop fucking around and figure out what the whore means to you. If you have developed feelings for her, then expect to be "mind fucked" daily. Do you have feelings for her? Perhaps every whore sees what she sees, What do you think she sees?

If we were using the "garbage chart" ,I am assuming you know who you are.....I don't think it is my place to tell you . Read it carefully.

Post: #85

Scorpio here....

Post: #86

(11-06-2011 09:09 AM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 08:25 AM)Andreas Wrote:  Cancer

And what do you think about that??

My astrological sign is Cancer.The description is kind of accurate (at least for my self).

Quote: A Cancer that is not fully self-actualized will need the constant support of others and will not be very independent but the Cancer that is 'evolved' and has properly harnessed their emotional issues will be wildly successful as an independent human being.

I'm not sure what it means to harness my emotions

Post: #87

(11-06-2011 09:49 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 09:13 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The pisces analysis is so true. This girl has trying to mind fuck me for weeks now. Any tips on how to deal with her?

Forgive me if I am too harsh . Sometimes I say things that may offend, but it is not my intention, and I try my best to control it.

Now, what is this business of "mind-fucking" you speak of? She could have been born in any of the 12 months, and mind fucking would have been your conclusion. First question would be , what are you projecting? Maybe you enjoy being a player, yet, you project love, and these whores see right thru the vail. Do you understand who you are if we wanted to use this garbage science?

This insecure creature called Pisces are masters of the pity party. Now you are torn between lover, and repair man, and you chalk it up to... "mind fucking". You know what you are dealing with, so how is it possible to fuck the mind of a player, unless the player is susceptible to such action? Your reward for balancing things out, is pussy, and perhaps she sees that you are quite comfortable with making it "right". Is the pussy keeping you, or are you keeping the pussy? Pisces know.

My advice:

Stop fucking around and figure out what the whore means to you. If you have developed feelings for her, then expect to be "mind fucked" daily. Do you have feelings for her? Perhaps every whore sees what she sees, What do you think she sees?

If we were using the "garbage chart" ,I am assuming you know who you are.....I don't think it is my place to tell you . Read it carefully.

Not harsh, thanks though. I think I did/have lost control of the situation/her due to showing feelings. I will re-evaluate the situation and remain strong in my 'alpha' ways. I'll show her that I can not be manipulated.

Post: #88

(11-06-2011 11:57 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 09:49 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 09:13 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The pisces analysis is so true. This girl has trying to mind fuck me for weeks now. Any tips on how to deal with her?

Forgive me if I am too harsh . Sometimes I say things that may offend, but it is not my intention, and I try my best to control it.

Now, what is this business of "mind-fucking" you speak of? She could have been born in any of the 12 months, and mind fucking would have been your conclusion. First question would be , what are you projecting? Maybe you enjoy being a player, yet, you project love, and these whores see right thru the vail. Do you understand who you are if we wanted to use this garbage science?

This insecure creature called Pisces are masters of the pity party. Now you are torn between lover, and repair man, and you chalk it up to... "mind fucking". You know what you are dealing with, so how is it possible to fuck the mind of a player, unless the player is susceptible to such action? Your reward for balancing things out, is pussy, and perhaps she sees that you are quite comfortable with making it "right". Is the pussy keeping you, or are you keeping the pussy? Pisces know.

My advice:

Stop fucking around and figure out what the whore means to you. If you have developed feelings for her, then expect to be "mind fucked" daily. Do you have feelings for her? Perhaps every whore sees what she sees, What do you think she sees?

If we were using the "garbage chart" ,I am assuming you know who you are.....I don't think it is my place to tell you . Read it carefully.

Not harsh, thanks though. I think I did/have lost control of the situation/her due to showing feelings. I will re-evaluate the situation and remain strong in my 'alpha' ways. I'll show her that I can not be manipulated.

Well, there's nothing wrong with falling in love at all. It think it's a beautiful thing. Being a player is an entirely different bowl of soup. Maybe you love her , and in that case, fighting that instinct may not be the best course of action if you find that she pleases you in such a way. If she's one of many, (or you desire to have more than one), yet, you have developed feelings for this particular one ,it probably means you are torn between matters of the heart , and your hedonistic instinct to fuck as many whores as possible. Hence, the "mind fuck". Pussy will cause that to happen more often than not, especially if you are putting in a lot of time with one piece of pussy(whores are aware of this). I would assume you want more options ( more pussy on tap) in order to avoid getting locked up so soon in Davy Jones' locker. Proceed with what is more beneficial for the time.

Post: #89

im just going to print out a summary of every sign and keep it in my car. i'll just skim through what i need to before a date. if i meet a girl and remember this thread...i'll "go to the restroom" after i casually get her birthday and read up on her real quick so we can connect more hehe

Post: #90

(11-10-2011 01:02 AM)houston Wrote:  im just going to print out a summary of every sign and keep it in my car. i'll just skim through what i need to before a date. if i meet a girl and remember this thread...i'll "go to the restroom" after i casually get her birthday and read up on her real quick so we can connect more hehe

That is a great idea, Houston.

I will write a piece on 3 experiments I did , base upon 3 whores I met in a casual environment. I have not dated any of the 3 , but I am way ahead of the game by understanding what I am dealing with.

Post: #91

Alright here comes the Taurus, Am I the only Taurus on the forum ?

@ Pusscrook I am interested in your take on Taurus, I am a nonbeliever in Astrology but do belive it works like a crack on Girls.......

My Sticky at this point , I am able to do cold reads pretty accurately and girls are impressed, wide mouth opening "o" signs , reactions of how I know so much about them etc...... But How do I convert that into a Sex play ? I am not able to proceed any after ..............

Post: #92

(11-10-2011 10:24 AM)Lothario Wrote:  Alright here comes the Taurus, Am I the only Taurus on the forum ?

@ Pusscrook I am interested in your take on Taurus, I am a nonbeliever in Astrology but do belive it works like a crack on Girls.......

My Sticky at this point , I am able to do cold reads pretty accurately and girls are impressed, wide mouth opening "o" signs , reactions of how I know so much about them etc...... But How do I convert that into a Sex play ? I am not able to proceed any after ..............

Well..... I really don't want to size you up like that, but let's look at your opening statement" Alright here comes the Taurus"....... and, "I am a non believer" so I will use that as my starting point......

Moving forward, let's say I wanted to paint a picture in my head of ,Lothario the Taurus. Now this is going to be based on what you have asked, and what you have told me. Based on what I have read, or tested, this would be my summary of how to deal with you.

Is it safe to assume that you are stubborn? Maybe, rigid ,would be a better word. Maybe a little suspicious? Do you demonstrate power by always wanting to be part of making any decision? Have you ever felt as if you can be devoid of feelings? How much does the word "respect" have on the impact of your life? How well do you handle a challenge?

Let's say I wanted to understand you man-to man, if just some of the above is true, I need to give more than I would take, in order to get what I want from you. You would probably argue a point until the cows come home, or you might even gorge me,and then some. I would probably agree with you , just to keep the peace, even if i knew you were wrong , and then have you pay me a consulting fee for agreeing with you. It all works out. This is me telling you how i would use astrology to deal with you.

Now ,on to more pressing matter of converting the use of astrology into sex play.... One shouldn't wholly use astrology to close. This is merely the gateway to the pussy. Basically, one should be willing to implement a strategy based upon the category the participant falls into. Why would you not want to use information that you are given, to your advantage? I assume that you know that you like to take care of the princess, and that is your strong suite. As hard as you are with men, is as delicate as you are with these whores(as long as you remain boss, I would imagine).


You're a take charge kind of guy, yet delicate , so you have the goods.Women melt for men like you . If you've opened the door with astrology , then the issue would be ...what other tools are you using to close the deal?

If you chose to rely wholly on astrology for sex play, then you may be in for some surprises. This is why you have to have different tools in the tool box .Each whore in the chart, will present a different set of circumstance that require a different strategy. Although you may know what the core of a person may be like, you may not be able close on a Pisces, the same way you would close on a Leo, because these whores require different techniques. One can be self centered and thrives on vanity, and , another, may be insecure and need comfort. In this case , just your knowledge of a birthdate, may be insignificant. Imagine this, you know her sign, but you have no swag! What good does Astrology do then? Zippo. You could tell her, her favorite colors, based on her chart, but, you, have no sex appeal. It is possible that you will be able to tell her what she may be predisposed to, in terms of health, and it's all based on her chart ,but, you, are seen as , insecure, or too demanding.


It's always good to do a little, with lots of things, than to know one thing really well.

Post: #93

Pusscrook do u have any site recommendations I can use to print out for my car? It looks like some are completely diff than others

Post: #94

(11-10-2011 03:27 PM)houston Wrote:  Pusscrook do u have any site recommendations I can use to print out for my car? It looks like some are completely diff than others

You are right , the web has a tremendous amount of shit. Each designed to lure you on to something else. I have 4 huge books that I have purchased....... and have never really used an on line site since playing around with this since 1996. I would only be guessing if I had to pick one .

Post: #95

Your pick is better than mine pusscrook. I'd appreciate it if u could do a quick search for me MILF hunter.

Post: #96

(11-10-2011 09:16 PM)houston Wrote:  Your pick is better than mine pusscrook. I'd appreciate it if u could do a quick search for me MILF hunter.

LOL, Ok... you know what, let me see if I can post the book in E-format. This should help the community. This shit is wicked . One sec.

Post: #97

OK, Found it. Remember it should be used only as a gateway to the pussy. This is very basic information to get you going , and by no means is it advanced. Closing the deal, will always vary, based upon your skills and may in no way be related to what you tell her about her birthdate. There are more advanced ways to fuck with the brain, if you tap into "other things" .Some of which I prefer to keep to myself(if you know what I mean).

* let me know if the link works.

Merry early Christmas.

Pusscrook.



http://www.myPersonology.com/

Post: #98

I happen to notice that we're missing a Virgo. Anyone? Step up, don't be shy! (Although Virgos typically are said to be shy )

Aries (March 21 - April 19): 1
Taurus (April 20 - May 20): 1
Gemini (May 21 - June 20): 3
Cancer (June 21 - July 21): 3
Leo (July 22 - August 21): 3
Virgo (August 22 - September 21): 0
Libra (September 22 - October 21): 6
Scorpio (October 22 - November 22): 3
Sagittarius (November 23 - December 21): 2
Capricorn (December 22 - January 20): 1
Aquarius (January 21 - February 19): 1
Pisces (February 20 - March 20): 2

TOTAL SURVEYED: 24

Post: #99

I posted that I was a Virgo but it got skipped over

Aries (March 21 - April 19): 1
Taurus (April 20 - May 20): 1
Gemini (May 21 - June 20): 3
Cancer (June 21 - July 21): 3
Leo (July 22 - August 21): 3
Virgo (August 22 - September 21): 1
Libra (September 22 - October 21): 6
Scorpio (October 22 - November 22): 3
Sagittarius (November 23 - December 21): 2
Capricorn (December 22 - January 20): 1
Aquarius (January 21 - February 19): 1
Pisces (February 20 - March 20): 2


TOTAL SURVEYED: 25

Post: #100

Sorry, Riker! Happens sometimes when these discussions roll around (not that there's anything wrong with them).