Post: #201

Someone mentioned earlier how you've got to be borderline sociopathic to really get women going today, and you almost have to seem to callously enjoy rejecting people. I just don't have it in me yet. When someone likes me I'm flattered and happy they did.

Let's take recently for example...I've got a woman I am NOT interested in sniffing around me in one of the circles I'm in (she's a fattie). I'm not creeped out that she likes me. I'm nice to her because I don't want to hurt her feelings - she seems like a genuinely nice person that's just on the wrong side of 100 pounds.

I've toyed around with hanging out with her, but it's a bad idea...she'll think I like her, and my subconscious seems to want it for the ego-stroking.

Post: #202

(04-19-2019 10:22 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  @TugOfPeace

Exactly. When push comes to shove, a Man will win. Not your run of the mill pajama-boy, but just 6 months of a well done strength training program sets you stronger than most of the world’s women.

That’s why RSD’s rediculous kino works so well. Not because you’re fun and wacky, woo! You show them that you can easily pick them up, move them, pin them down. Subcomunicated sexual violence. If you dare to damn the consequences, there’s nothing she can really do to stop you. Basic biology my Brother.

Thank God we’re more civilized. For now.

He’s an alpha-widow-maker. He posseses perfectly blended playful-sadism. Just the other day his lady got a little lippy. He palmed her face with a laugh and gently moved her - her whole body. She baked him some kind of cake the next day.

Whatmore, they don't really believe that it can happen to them. That the police will be there to intervene in time. They're no different than those idiots dying while taking selfies, or playing around with wild animals. It used to be the trashy girls who would try and shit-test their men to the point of violence. Now you've got the upper class women doing it to.

Being around these women does not make me a better person.

Post: #203

(04-19-2019 10:22 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  @TugOfPeace

Exactly. When push comes to shove, a Man will win. Not your run of the mill pajama-boy, but just 6 months of a well done strength training program sets you stronger than most of the world’s women.

I think you're giving women too much credit. Even a completely untrained soy-laden pajama-boy is still quite a bit stronger than the average woman.

As far as raw physical power is concerned, a man who has actually been doing strength training for half a year would obliterate not just most women, but practically every woman in the world.

Post: #204

(04-19-2019 11:27 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Someone mentioned earlier how you've got to be borderline sociopathic to really get women going today, and you almost have to seem to callously enjoy rejecting people. I just don't have it in me yet. When someone likes me I'm flattered and happy they did.

But we're not talking about how you have to act to game top tier party girls. At my gym, there are at least 20 normal girls (in shape 5 to 7s) who these sexless dudes could date and eventually bang. They won't get there by being "nice guys" but they don't have to go full dark triad either.

As I said earlier, the sexless dudes I know just won't approach. They've been raised on a steady diet of parental coddling and participation trophies. At this point, they think things should just come to them whether or not they try. And these are the ones at the gym who workout - I can't imagine how bad it is for some bloated mess playing xbox on his couch.

Post: #205

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 10:22 AM)ThriceLazarus Wrote:  @TugOfPeace

Exactly. When push comes to shove, a Man will win. Not your run of the mill pajama-boy, but just 6 months of a well done strength training program sets you stronger than most of the world’s women.

That’s why RSD’s rediculous kino works so well. Not because you’re fun and wacky, woo! You show them that you can easily pick them up, move them, pin them down. Subcomunicated sexual violence. If you dare to damn the consequences, there’s nothing she can really do to stop you. Basic biology my Brother.

Thank God we’re more civilized. For now.

He’s an alpha-widow-maker. He posseses perfectly blended playful-sadism. Just the other day his lady got a little lippy. He palmed her face with a laugh and gently moved her - her whole body. She baked him some kind of cake the next day.

Whatmore, they don't really believe that it can happen to them. That the police will be there to intervene in time. They're no different than those idiots dying while taking selfies, or playing around with wild animals. It used to be the trashy girls who would try and shit-test their men to the point of violence. Now you've got the upper class women doing it to.

Being around these women does not make me a better person.

Take them hiking during a full moon "as a laugh".

When a woman gets out to where she can't hear that dog-pitch electric whine of civilisation and she knows there's not another living soul within screaming distance she becomes a different girl, instantly.

Post: #206

(04-19-2019 10:27 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 08:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  When a man doesn't work he becomes less of a man. He develops odd mental illnesses and resentments against the world for giving him such a cushy life. I wonder if it's the same thing with women - none of them are performing the function that God laid out for them, and so they've become resentful and self-destructive, while surrounded by comforts and luxury.

This is a fact and you see it all the time with retired guys. Some like me, "work" at chores, on themselves and hobbies. Most get lazy, fat, depressed and die.

At my company it's pretty common for older guys to retire but then come back and work again, only to retire a few more times until they finally call it quits. Makes perfect sense in the context of this topic

Post: #207

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:27 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Someone mentioned earlier how you've got to be borderline sociopathic to really get women going today, and you almost have to seem to callously enjoy rejecting people. I just don't have it in me yet. When someone likes me I'm flattered and happy they did.

But we're not talking about how you have to act to game top tier party girls. At my gym, there are at least 20 normal girls (in shape 5 to 7s) who these sexless dudes could date and eventually bang. They won't get there by being "nice guys" but they don't have to go full dark triad either.

As I said earlier, the sexless dudes I know just won't approach. They've been raised on a steady diet of parental coddling and participation trophies. At this point, they think things should just come to them whether or not they try. And these are the ones at the gym who workout - I can't imagine how bad it is for some bloated mess playing xbox on his couch.

I don't think sexless (and therefore probably gameless) guys should approach girls at the gym. They should focus on working out and adopt the famous "don't shit where you eat" policy, at least until they've approached and gotten laid enough times elsewhere.

Post: #208

If you want a quick snapshot of how the SMP landscape has changed over the past few decades, have a look at these dating shows.

Here's a video from a 90s dating show. The men were badly dressed, looked pretty ordinary, had regular jobs, and didn't seem overly confident.





Here's what the boomers had to deal with in the 70s/80s. I think one of the funniest things about that dailymail article were the boomers trying to give advice to young men. It reminds me of the "walk up to the manager and give him a firm handshake" advice.








Here's one from last year.

Post: #209

(04-18-2019 11:02 PM)puckerman Wrote:  People think it's awful that I am actually rooting for a civil war in America nowadays. I really do think it's our best hope though.

I now think that the only thing that will make American women change will be a significant reduction in the number of available men. If we get to a point in which there are maybe 120 women for every 100 men, women will definitely start shaping up. At this point, I am afraid it is the only thing that will change American women. They are so degenerate, and there are very forces out there that are trying to change them.

I doubt it will be a civil war specifically.

I think it will be a huge religious revival. We're seeing all the signs flashing already. America has a long history of insane religious interludes. We have an entire state -- Utah -- poplulated by Mormons who state outright that their eventual goal is to "save" the US. Then there are the evangelical Christians like Pence.

It will be "then Handmaid's Tale" but of course different -- the women, not the men, will be the ones who drive this revival. I expect abortion to be 100% illegal and past abortionists prosecuted. Women will completely abandon the career path and decide they want to be moms. Just like the 50s. Outright government encouragement for women to have kids.

People always underestimate how much the pendulum swings. It's about to swing now...and hard.

Post: #210

How so and what signs have you seen that it's coming? (I can definitely vouch for women being a lot more fanatically religious than the men...that shit's so true, and that's why they're an asset to congregations as long as they aren't in leadership roles.)

Are you seeing it in Generation Z? They're certainly more conservative than the millennials, but I'm not sure if that applies to all of them (whites are far more conservative than people of color...and the people of color, I think, make up most of Generation Z).

Post: #211

I've given more thought to this idea that women are attracted to psychopathic tendencies, and realized it's way more true than I'd previously thought. It's like explaining to a fish that it's wet; so pervasive that it becomes invisible, because we know no alternative. Just about every straight man, game-aware or not, pretends to be a psychopath when courting women. You might be sitting there saying "Nah, not me. I am who I am, and make no apologies!" But I'm almost 100% sure you're lying, unless you truly are a psychopath.

Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere? Wouldn't your life have gotten a whole lot easier had you just come out and explained to her "Hey, I really like you, but I'm not sure how much you like me back, and it's causing me a lot of mental anguish. Can you just tell me exactly how you feel about me?" Man would that have helped put your mind at ease once and for all.

But you didn't. Even a gameless chode wouldn't. Because all men realize that this move would kill any chance they might've had. Now why is that? Any woman would tell you "because it's weird and creepy!" Fine, then all psychologically normal men are weird and creepy, because all psychologically normal men have had these thoughts and feelings. So what's the real reason this candid behavior is so off-putting to women? Because it's not what a psychopath would do.

More generally, do you ever experience any insecurity, anxiousness, or self-doubt? Unless you're a genuine psychopath, the answer should be yes. Do you deliberately conceal these feelings from any woman you start to get involved with? Again, I'm betting the answer is yes.

I had a brief stint in therapy once; nothing major, just trying to cure a phobia. My first day in the office, when I had yet to be assigned a counselor, they explained to me that they don't like to assign a young female therapist to a young male client. Why? Because they find that young men have trouble opening up about their issues to young women. It's so deeply ingrained in young men to pretend to be a psychopath in front of attractive women, they can't even drop the act for a therapist.

I've known for a while that women tend to fall in love with psychopaths, but now I finally feel like I've processed and understood that fact. The rest of us are constantly suppressing who we really are (because we have to), and surely some undesirable signs of humanity still unintentionally ooze from our behavior. Psychopaths are the only ones with the luxury of just being themselves around women.

Post: #212

(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)Delta Wrote:  Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere? Wouldn't your life have gotten a whole lot easier had you just come out and explained to her "Hey, I really like you, but I'm not sure how much you like me back, and it's causing me a lot of mental anguish. Can you just tell me exactly how you feel about me?" Man would that have helped put your mind at ease once and for all.

But you didn't. Even a gameless chode wouldn't. Because all men realize that this move would kill any chance they might've had. Now why is that? Any woman would tell you "because it's weird and creepy!" Fine, then all psychologically normal men are weird and creepy, because all psychologically normal men have had these thoughts and feelings. So what's the real reason this candid behavior is so off-putting to women? Because it's not what a psychopath would do.

Not needy != psychopath

Post: #213

@MrLemon

I can only speak from experience on the West Coast. From where I’m standing you’re late and off - in LA (and I imagine similar metropolises) the revival of the Ishtar cult is in full swing. That’s what all of this is, pseudospiritually - the pagan, matriarchal cult.

Though wiser men than I have called it neo-puritanism.

Mythologically speaking, whenever this happens the Avatar of Marduk appears to set things decidedly patriarchal once more. History rhymes and all that.

@Delta

“Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits. It is sometimes considered synonymous with sociopathy.”

Like attracts like my dude. This isn’t to decry or diminish the feminine - that mystique manifests a psychopathic bent for good reason. Arguing from a position of evolutionary biology, one can see that elective psychopathy is a valuable adaptation during times of famine or war - a woman who steals away extra grub for her cubs survives while others in the tribe starve, the woman who can more easily sever family ties thrives comparitively when enslaved by a neighboring tribe.

This isn’t to say men do not also have psychopathic tendencies - it’s simply possible that a swathe of such genetics were carved from the gene pool of the West after one hundred million warriors were wasted on one hundred years of (((bankers))) wars.

The women just haven’t caught up yet. They’re trying though, what with forgoing motherhood and electively self-sterilizing. I imagine that there is far more out-breeding done by Cacausoid males than their female compatriots, no?

As a side-note, people on here occasionally try to define just what Game is... Is it just me or does “Game Psychopathy is traditionally an affected personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.” actually work?

Post: #214

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Being around these women does not make me a better person.

I am a deep thinker and someone who seeks truth.
I try to go out and create intimacy, closeness and connection with these women.

I am met with hollow eyes, a vapid conversation, and a sense of childish consumerism.

The attitude is like "you don't stimulate me as much as the last guy with your looks or a hyper aggressive personality? Fuck off, I have no time for you. You are unlovable and of no use". Meanwhile they are no more than a 5-6/10 making $10 an hour at a bakery.

As a man on a journey for truth, who once dreamed of being a Don Juan, a lover of beauty and the feminine spirit, I realize there's no truth or depth to seek in these women.

I have turned to novels and fiction writing. Instead of worrying about my lay count, I will think of how many novels I can read in a week/month/year. They connect me to a human truth that the women and this environment don't.

It's a sad time when you feel like you can't connect with the people around you, that there's nothing to explore there.

Post: #215

Delta, a few of your posts of late have definitely made me ponder some things, or at least getting me to realize that I'm in a similar position, and more of us may be than we like to admit.

(04-18-2019 08:34 PM)Delta Wrote:  It boggles my mind how callously women treat men nowadays. I can't imagine behaving like they do, because I'd hate myself if I did. Here's a confession that makes me an outlier on the forum: Only once in my life have I fucked a girl I wasn't really into and then rejected her after. It actually felt awful. When she texted to hang out again, I wrote a long note trying to soften the blow, thanking her for everything and wishing her all the best. Even to this day, years later, I still occasionally think about what that must've done to her self-esteem and feel a little ashamed.

Contrast that with how girls treat me and other men: They expect us to take all of the social risk to create something, a task you could probably get them to admit is too difficult for them to even attempt, and mercilessly belittle those men who are a bit awkward at it. They have no qualms about letting you buy them shit even when they're totally uninterested in you. Even if it's just a drink or two, it's still unbelievably rude... something a decent person would maybe do to a salesman using company funds, certainly not an individual trying to form a personal relationship. They have no qualms about backing out on plans on a whim (i.e. "flaking"), sometimes without even letting you know, which of course wastes your time and fucks up your calendar, but do they give a shit? They have no qualms about just starting to ignore you out of the blue (i.e. "ghosting"), even when you've spent a lot of time and effort (and sometimes money) trying to court them, and even when it's clear you're developing feelings and this behavior will cause significant psychological torment.

Aurini, your comment about dating feeling "like an extended psychological struggle" hits the nail on the head for me. The pressure I put on myself to be as close to perfect as humanly possible, as the girl sits back and evaluates me while hardly even worrying about the impression she's leaving on me... the countless hundreds or maybe thousands of wasted hours; think what else I could've done with them... the torturous feeling, in the rare event that I come across a girl I really like, of waiting for a text reply and wondering 'is this it?' Is this the one she ignores that ends it dead in its tracks and sends me back to square one? It actually makes me physically queasy. I'm finding now that my primary motivation for gaming isn't the wonderful feeling of sex or companionship or anything, it's the thought that if I find a good one and stick with her, I won't have to deal with this shit anymore. I'll be free.

And this is with me being the type of guy most people think doesn't struggle. By any objective measure, most of the girls who treat me like I have zero worth are ones who should, in a symmetrical dating market, see me as an impossibly good catch.

I hate how whiny this all sounds, but when you've legitimately put in the work and still aren't getting the return, then it's totally fair to stop looking in the mirror and start looking outward.

I reiterate my previous post in this thread: There are some thought germs out there that are absolutely poisoning women's attitudes toward men.

It's just the market. I would do the exact same thing if I could, at least early on. This is kind of why I think every man needs to fuck in a country where his SMV is higher than at home for a few weeks minimum. It allowed me to study the state of the western female mind on dating apps. If they have 1000 guys matching them and messaging them, they are overwhelmed with options. I think knowing your desired makes a guy or girl naturally more picky and arrogant. I noticed this in myself as well when I had a few hundred Filipinas matching me at a time and a few of them practically latched onto me to stay around. They knew the reality, we know the reality. It's no different in the west, it's just reversed to where the girls are the ones with options. The number is deceptive, but realistically, you can bet the house you will get someone to meet you within a couple of days. What you can't bet on is the quality of the person you're going to meet if you only exchanged a few texts. When it comes to that, in the east or in poorer countries, guys here (including me) usually expect the girl to travel over an hour to meet five minutes from their apartment. In the west, girls expect guys to be more entertaining, smooth, and carry conversations. Basically all of the social work instead of the logistics, and sometimes even make the guy travel two hours to bang.

Women treat men like shit admittedly, but I can't say we treat women that we don't care about much better when we have options. I think giving 95% of people too many options makes them not care nearly as much about how they treat people they know don't have those same options or bring the same value to the table. It's a cruel world, but we are status oriented not just in dating, but in business and in our social circles. Sometimes even in our own families.

With all that said, I think the point I was trying to get at is that it's important to experience both sides of it. Being on the receiving end of demand makes you realize you have value and can be a great self esteem booster to people that need it, but being the one that's dry on matches and connections can certainly make you humble.

You and I have had the quality discussion before. When it first got brought up, I think I was a little farther apart from you on the subject, and also a few years younger. But now, I have started to come around to your position on the subject. There is something to be said about quality and having a solid person to share your life with. Not to go black pill on that subject though, but with a 50% divorce rate and even more that end up in sexless households, is it fair to say that this end result is a gamble to go for? Hard for me to say, but now I see myself having less patience to try for girls I probably would've bedded drunkenly a couple years ago. I slowly realized those girls weren't worth it, but that seems to be a natural progression among men. Looking back, I have felt bad how I've treated a couple of SNLs. I remember I once made a girl pay for the entire bill for a hotel room I had to rent, another one was someone who seemed like a well mannered women that made it clear she was interested in a relationship, but I didn't find her attractive enough for more than a SNL, so I ghosted her. Very nice girl that had been through a rough few years of working in the Middle East on top of that.

I think the problem with women's attitudes towards men is not just an options thing. Some women legitimately feel like they have been oppressed by the "patriarchy", at least those that buy into third wave feminism. Others I have noticed think every guy that isn't a smooth approacher just wants to rape or kill them. And women also tend to more naturally want to date up. Women have a strong and independent vibe being promoted to them, but we rarely see good male qualities being promoted when it might be needed now more than ever. Men either get promoted as violent monsters or submissive morons to their girlfriends/wives.

(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)Delta Wrote:  I've given more thought to this idea that women are attracted to psychopathic tendencies, and realized it's way more true than I'd previously thought. It's like explaining to a fish that it's wet; so pervasive that it becomes invisible, because we know no alternative. Just about every straight man, game-aware or not, pretends to be a psychopath when courting women. You might be sitting there saying "Nah, not me. I am who I am, and make no apologies!" But I'm almost 100% sure you're lying, unless you truly are a psychopath.

Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere? Wouldn't your life have gotten a whole lot easier had you just come out and explained to her "Hey, I really like you, but I'm not sure how much you like me back, and it's causing me a lot of mental anguish. Can you just tell me exactly how you feel about me?" Man would that have helped put your mind at ease once and for all.

But you didn't. Even a gameless chode wouldn't. Because all men realize that this move would kill any chance they might've had. Now why is that? Any woman would tell you "because it's weird and creepy!" Fine, then all psychologically normal men are weird and creepy, because all psychologically normal men have had these thoughts and feelings. So what's the real reason this candid behavior is so off-putting to women? Because it's not what a psychopath would do.

More generally, do you ever experience any insecurity, anxiousness, or self-doubt? Unless you're a genuine psychopath, the answer should be yes. Do you deliberately conceal these feelings from any woman you start to get involved with? Again, I'm betting the answer is yes.

I had a brief stint in therapy once; nothing major, just trying to cure a phobia. My first day in the office, when I had yet to be assigned a counselor, they explained to me that they don't like to assign a young female therapist to a young male client. Why? Because they find that young men have trouble opening up about their issues to young women. It's so deeply ingrained in young men to pretend to be a psychopath in front of attractive women, they can't even drop the act for a therapist.

I've known for a while that women tend to fall in love with psychopaths, but now I finally feel like I've processed and understood that fact. The rest of us are constantly suppressing who we really are (because we have to), and surely some undesirable signs of humanity still unintentionally ooze from our behavior. Psychopaths are the only ones with the luxury of just being themselves around women.

I feel this too, but I think most of us have when we found the red pill. It's not always a reality we like hearing. I legit lost my first girlfriend and a great potential rebound girl after her because I was too nice to them. It sounds unfathomable to the outside world, but I was actually too nice and gave them too much respect for them to respect me. Something changed me after the girlfriend and I ended our relationship in that I knew I couldn't do what you're describing above anymore because deep down, chicks just don't have respect for it. This girl was a smart woman too that was very well organized with a lot of discipline in her life.

I remember a year later I traveled to Taiwan and met a local girl there that went out of her way to be my sex buddy and tour guide of Taipei for the week I was there. How did I get her? I somehow recognized that she liked a guy that was condescending and an asshole every chance he got with her. She liked me because I guess I challenged her and didn't bend over backwards for her. It was just weird for me and despite me having fun with her and being appreciative of her showing me around, I lost respect for her. It was like being caught in a lose-lose.

It's not really psychopathic behavior though, more acting like a complete asshole. But hey, girls are attracted to assholes, it's something that's been discussed forever on the forum. The difference now seems to be that girls are more open about that than ever and have lost motivation to kind of keep up face in polite society. Whether that's better or worse for how newer guys can learn to interact with women is beyond me.

One final thing. I noticed another post of yours about being worn out from game. We've talked about the location thing. It seems like this whole thread confirms that guys like us who live in the suburbs with no logistics advantages, particularly being in a culture where the girls are openly rude and obnoxious, is kind of a recipe for disaster unless you're the top guy in town. The 20's girls as usual flock to big cities, but I think the apps and social circles really eliminate the need for them to look at guys in the suburbs. I have felt the same as what you stated, but for some guys, it could be a location change that does them good. Maybe even going as far as exploring a country with girls different from your own to see if it's you or the girls.

Post: #216

(04-20-2019 06:30 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Being around these women does not make me a better person.

I am a deep thinker and someone who seeks truth.
I try to go out and create intimacy, closeness and connection with these women.

I am met with hollow eyes, a vapid conversation, and a sense of childish consumerism.

The attitude is like "you don't stimulate me as much as the last guy with your looks or a hyper aggressive personality? Fuck off, I have no time for you. You are unlovable and of no use". Meanwhile they are no more than a 5-6/10 making $10 an hour at a bakery.

As a man on a journey for truth, who once dreamed of being a Don Juan, a lover of beautify and the feminine spirit, I realize there's no truth or depth to seek in these women.

I have turned to novels and fiction writing. Instead of worrying about my lay count, I will think of how many novels I can read in a week/month/year. They connect me to a human truth that the women and this environment don't.

It's a sad time when you feel like you can't connect with the people around you, that there's nothing to explore there.

I feel you, it characterizes me too.
For a long time, I thought there was something wrong with me. So for years I've worked on myself, faced my fears and my demons.
I'm now in my late twenties and I start to see the fruits of my inner work.
I am much more at peace with me now.
I came to accept that I will always feel disconnected to the vast majority of people and that I would probably never meet a worthy woman and start a family.
If God wants it that way, so be it. But if he makes me meet a woman, so be it also.
You never know what can happen in your life. So keep doing what you love, keep exploring and don't give up.

Post: #217

(04-20-2019 06:30 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Being around these women does not make me a better person.

I am a deep thinker and someone who seeks truth.
I try to go out and create intimacy, closeness and connection with these women.

I am met with hollow eyes, a vapid conversation, and a sense of childish consumerism.

The attitude is like "you don't stimulate me as much as the last guy with your looks or a hyper aggressive personality? Fuck off, I have no time for you. You are unlovable and of no use". Meanwhile they are no more than a 5-6/10 making $10 an hour at a bakery.

As a man on a journey for truth, who once dreamed of being a Don Juan, a lover of beauty and the feminine spirit, I realize there's no truth or depth to seek in these women.

I have turned to novels and fiction writing. Instead of worrying about my lay count, I will think of how many novels I can read in a week/month/year. They connect me to a human truth that the women and this environment don't.

It's a sad time when you feel like you can't connect with the people around you, that there's nothing to explore there.

Shit, that sounds a lot like my attitude these days. I can totally understand the guys who just drop out and do video games and porn, what's in it for any of us really?

Post: #218

(04-20-2019 07:03 PM)Bluey Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 06:30 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Being around these women does not make me a better person.

I am a deep thinker and someone who seeks truth.
I try to go out and create intimacy, closeness and connection with these women.

I am met with hollow eyes, a vapid conversation, and a sense of childish consumerism.

The attitude is like "you don't stimulate me as much as the last guy with your looks or a hyper aggressive personality? Fuck off, I have no time for you. You are unlovable and of no use". Meanwhile they are no more than a 5-6/10 making $10 an hour at a bakery.

As a man on a journey for truth, who once dreamed of being a Don Juan, a lover of beauty and the feminine spirit, I realize there's no truth or depth to seek in these women.

I have turned to novels and fiction writing. Instead of worrying about my lay count, I will think of how many novels I can read in a week/month/year. They connect me to a human truth that the women and this environment don't.

It's a sad time when you feel like you can't connect with the people around you, that there's nothing to explore there.

Shit, that sounds a lot like my attitude these days. I can totally understand the guys who just drop out and do video games and porn, what's in it for any of us really?

I hear there's big money in sex dolls!

Post: #219

(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)Delta Wrote:  Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere? Wouldn't your life have gotten a whole lot easier had you just come out and explained to her "Hey, I really like you, but I'm not sure how much you like me back, and it's causing me a lot of mental anguish. Can you just tell me exactly how you feel about me?" Man would that have helped put your mind at ease once and for all.

But you didn't. Even a gameless chode wouldn't. Because all men realize that this move would kill any chance they might've had. Now why is that? Any woman would tell you "because it's weird and creepy!" Fine, then all psychologically normal men are weird and creepy, because all psychologically normal men have had these thoughts and feelings. So what's the real reason this candid behavior is so off-putting to women? Because it's not what a psychopath would do.

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I've known for a while that women tend to fall in love with psychopaths, but now I finally feel like I've processed and understood that fact. The rest of us are constantly suppressing who we really are (because we have to), and surely some undesirable signs of humanity still unintentionally ooze from our behavior. Psychopaths are the only ones with the luxury of just being themselves around women.

I think you have a really weird idea of what a psychopath is.

Your hypothetical scenario is what a guy who has never seen and learned masculine behaviours from a man would do. No you guys are not psychologically normal men. You are brought up in a world where masculinity is completely demonised, fathers are either absent or pussy-whipped and there is hardly any older male mentor around. Compared to your forefathers, you are not normal, you are severely disadvantaged and incomplete. You are closer to the feminine than the masculine.

The attitude and feelings in your scenario might be common for younger guys these days but definitely not normal. That is what a woman would feel around a man she is deeply attracted to. That is not what a man would feel around a woman he loves.

Women fall in love with men, not guys who haven't figured out their masculinity yet. Masculine men are not psychopaths (or "jerks", as they used to be called), but when masculinity has been demonised for half a century, it can be hard to distinguish for those who have not known it. It does not take much to be called a jerk or psychopath these days, all a man needs to show is a little bit of "toxic masculinity" and he gets called all kinds of names, even from his brothers it seems.

I get it that you are struggling massively with your dating life, but it does not mean that those who succeed are psychopathic while you are the most righteous man under the sun. That attitude itself is not particularly masculine. It's what women are like when they don't get what they want. As for what men would do, read the poem "If" by Rudyard Kipling.

Post: #220

(04-19-2019 06:25 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I doubt it will be a civil war specifically.

I think it will be a huge religious revival. We're seeing all the signs flashing already. America has a long history of insane religious interludes. We have an entire state -- Utah -- poplulated by Mormons who state outright that their eventual goal is to "save" the US. Then there are the evangelical Christians like Pence.

It will be "then Handmaid's Tale" but of course different -- the women, not the men, will be the ones who drive this revival. I expect abortion to be 100% illegal and past abortionists prosecuted. Women will completely abandon the career path and decide they want to be moms. Just like the 50s. Outright government encouragement for women to have kids.

People always underestimate how much the pendulum swings. It's about to swing now...and hard.

You have a good point that any possible religious revival will be driven by the women, not the men. Consider it a "Nehemiah Scudder" movement. Women have driven a lot of social movements. The temperance movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries was driven by women. However, I consider such a religious revival to be highly unlikely.

The most credible argument I have run across for why people believe in religion came from a child psychologist who is a friend of a friend. His theory was that kids who are punished rationally by their parents (e.g. they are punished for specific wrong doings and is made clear to them as to why they are being punished) grow up believing that the world is fundamentally rational and with no need to believe in God or supernatural. Kids who are punished randomly where there is no connection between what they did wrong and why they are being punished grow up believing the world is fundamentally irrational and, thus, believe in God and supernatural.

The former pattern is a component of modern parenting, which nearly all kids born since the early 60's have been brought up with. The latter pattern has been nearly extinct since the 70's at the latest.

I do not expect any religious revival in the foreseeable future.

Post: #221

I believe the green movement, for most women, is really a desire to return to pre-modern living. Consider all the stuff they rail about: cars, flying, eating imported foods, these are things, when removed, would lead to a much more local and slow life. By calling it a "necessity to save the earth", women can use it to around the feminist brainwashing. It's my strong intuition that there are millions and millions of young women right now who are actually wanting to live a quiet, traditional life, but lack the proper terms to think about it without clashing with their feminist "religion".

A solution could be something like in Hungary. We should recognize that women who raise children, should not be fully dependent on their husbands in late life. They should receive pension payments at the very least while staying at home. I think that would go along way.

Post: #222

(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)Delta Wrote:  ...
Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere?
...

This is what happens during (hopefully) your first few rodeos.

As a man you need to progress quickly past the point where your emotions are controlled by outside forces and people. Easier said than done, but women are not (solely) interested in psychopaths. The only reason psychopaths appeal to them is because a psychopath has the will to power. Non-psychopaths can also build this trait. You must become the master of your will. Women refuse to respond to men they can manipulate and control because any man they can control in this way is by definition too weak to surrender to.

Emotional vulnerability is not a strength or a virtue, and a woman shunning you for it is right to do so. Weak men create weak offspring and cannot defend those offspring and their mother alike.

Post: #223

(04-21-2019 10:37 AM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 06:25 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I doubt it will be a civil war specifically.

I think it will be a huge religious revival. We're seeing all the signs flashing already. America has a long history of insane religious interludes. We have an entire state -- Utah -- poplulated by Mormons who state outright that their eventual goal is to "save" the US. Then there are the evangelical Christians like Pence.

It will be "then Handmaid's Tale" but of course different -- the women, not the men, will be the ones who drive this revival. I expect abortion to be 100% illegal and past abortionists prosecuted. Women will completely abandon the career path and decide they want to be moms. Just like the 50s. Outright government encouragement for women to have kids.

People always underestimate how much the pendulum swings. It's about to swing now...and hard.

You have a good point that any possible religious revival will be driven by the women, not the men. Consider it a "Nehemiah Scudder" movement. Women have driven a lot of social movements. The temperance movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries was driven by women. However, I consider such a religious revival to be highly unlikely.

The most credible argument I have run across for why people believe in religion came from a child psychologist who is a friend of a friend. His theory was that kids who are punished rationally by their parents (e.g. they are punished for specific wrong doings and is made clear to them as to why they are being punished) grow up believing that the world is fundamentally rational and with no need to believe in God or supernatural. Kids who are punished randomly where there is no connection between what they did wrong and why they are being punished grow up believing the world is fundamentally irrational and, thus, believe in God and supernatural.

The former pattern is a component of modern parenting, which nearly all kids born since the early 60's have been brought up with. The latter pattern has been nearly extinct since the 70's at the latest.

I do not expect any religious revival in the foreseeable future.

Haha. If you know who "Nehemiah Scudder" is then we can have an excellent discussion.

I think your point about punishment is interesting, but I don't buy it as a driver for religion. I think women -- especially in a country as deeply religious as the US -- turn to religion when they feel that they have whored themselves into damnation. Women have a very ancient instinct to judge themselves based on whether they have successfully raised children. So many of them are now going completely nutso because they have whored themselves (for FREE which is worst of all) and failed to have children. Tens of millions of absolutely insane post-wall women. Their frenzy is like a giant wall of thrashing water, barely held back. We're seeing the dam cracking in many places and the tidal wave ready to crush us all.

When that tidal wave of female crazyness *really* gets released, it has to go somewhere. There are only 2 viable options:

1. Start a real civil war, on men. Try to kill or enslave every man in the US. This is what the elite Feminists want.

2. Have a huge religious conversion in which women relieve their guilt and shame by becoming born-again virgins. Destroy the non-believers in shrieking hateful pogroms. Think of that movie "the purge" but driven not by men, but by women.

So as far as I'm concerned, the only real question is, do we have # 1 or # 2?

I think #1 just can't happen. Men will fight back too hard and women won't endure that. So that's why I assume #2.

Post: #224

(04-20-2019 06:30 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:40 AM)Aurini Wrote:  Being around these women does not make me a better person.

I am a deep thinker and someone who seeks truth.
I try to go out and create intimacy, closeness and connection with these women.

I am met with hollow eyes, a vapid conversation, and a sense of childish consumerism.

The attitude is like "you don't stimulate me as much as the last guy with your looks or a hyper aggressive personality? Fuck off, I have no time for you. You are unlovable and of no use". Meanwhile they are no more than a 5-6/10 making $10 an hour at a bakery.

As a man on a journey for truth, who once dreamed of being a Don Juan, a lover of beauty and the feminine spirit, I realize there's no truth or depth to seek in these women.

I have turned to novels and fiction writing. Instead of worrying about my lay count, I will think of how many novels I can read in a week/month/year. They connect me to a human truth that the women and this environment don't.

It's a sad time when you feel like you can't connect with the people around you, that there's nothing to explore there.

Yep.
When you're a genuine great mind & the vast majority of chicks are small minded or average minded; you'll probably never feel that you really connect.
Even the few chicks that can skirt 'great mind' status are still too easily influenced by small mindedness or PC politics.

Then if you're of a 'Super Sane' type mind..., you'd best simply accept that you'll never truly be appreciated or understood by small-minded chicks...

Post: #225

(04-20-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I think you have a really weird idea of what a psychopath is.

Your hypothetical scenario is what a guy who has never seen and learned masculine behaviours from a man would do. No you guys are not psychologically normal men. You are brought up in a world where masculinity is completely demonised, fathers are either absent or pussy-whipped and there is hardly any older male mentor around. Compared to your forefathers, you are not normal, you are severely disadvantaged and incomplete. You are closer to the feminine than the masculine.

The attitude and feelings in your scenario might be common for younger guys these days but definitely not normal. That is what a woman would feel around a man she is deeply attracted to. That is not what a man would feel around a woman he loves.

Women fall in love with men, not guys who haven't figured out their masculinity yet. Masculine men are not psychopaths (or "jerks", as they used to be called), but when masculinity has been demonised for half a century, it can be hard to distinguish for those who have not known it. It does not take much to be called a jerk or psychopath these days, all a man needs to show is a little bit of "toxic masculinity" and he gets called all kinds of names, even from his brothers it seems.

I get it that you are struggling massively with your dating life, but it does not mean that those who succeed are psychopathic while you are the most righteous man under the sun. That attitude itself is not particularly masculine. It's what women are like when they don't get what they want. As for what men would do, read the poem "If" by Rudyard Kipling.

Show me where I claimed to be righteous for having those feelings. I'm not proud of having vulnerabilities any more than I'm proud of taking shits, it's just part of being human.

If there are a lot of guys here who experience the typical range of human emotion but simply don't get anxious over women, then perhaps I'm overestimating how normal it is.

(04-21-2019 10:55 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 11:09 PM)Delta Wrote:  ...
Have you ever been really into a chick, but her reciprocation was questionable? Did it drive you insane? Did you find yourself helplessly analyzing her every behavior toward you, trying to figure out whether it was actually going to go anywhere?
...

This is what happens during (hopefully) your first few rodeos.

As a man you need to progress quickly past the point where your emotions are controlled by outside forces and people. Easier said than done, but women are not (solely) interested in psychopaths. The only reason psychopaths appeal to them is because a psychopath has the will to power. Non-psychopaths can also build this trait. You must become the master of your will. Women refuse to respond to men they can manipulate and control because any man they can control in this way is by definition too weak to surrender to.

Emotional vulnerability is not a strength or a virtue, and a woman shunning you for it is right to do so. Weak men create weak offspring and cannot defend those offspring and their mother alike.

So the outside force of a close relative or friend dying would not affect your emotions? If outside forces don't control your emotions, what does?

I also disagree with your definition of a weak man. A weak man is one who gives up at the first sign of adversity or pain, not merely one who's capable of feeling it.