Post: #151

No gents, he isn't confused nor does he have issues. You'd be surprised at the high number of white guys anywhere who won't even speak to a girl once they find out she's been with or might be open to being with a black guy. And no, I don't agree with Donovan Sharpe when he says it's because a lot of white guys feel inferior/can't match the masculinity of a black and feel they might not be enough for a woman. I'm a big Sharpe fan btw. Most white guys associate women who associate with blacks as low value, especially if it's a white woman. As a white man I'll be the first to say white men are big time fuckin chumps and I'll always be harsher on them than other races. That being said, if a chick, especially a white chick falls for all that fake "swag" bullshit which is really to mask a lot of blacks insecurities and inferiority complex, she already has ruined her chance with A LOT of Chads.

Post: #152

I must have some well deserved Karma when considering these headlines.

I was a virgin till I was 25. I got close a few times, but not all the way. My wife has a very high drive and we have sex at least once a day. I'm dead serious. When my wife gets off her shift late at night, she wakes me up when she gets home and wants sex.

Essentially I'm making up for lost time 10x over. There are good women out there. Find them and dont lose them. A good loyal wife who wants to be with you every day in literally every way is invaluable. Never forget that when you hear and see the stories we see every day about the state of romance and relations in our current year.

Note all this is after 3 years+ of marriage going strong and two kids right before and during this time. My wife will turn 23 in May. I turned 30 in October.

Make sure you always are keeping your eyes open.

Post: #153

(04-09-2019 05:16 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  When you read old books or watch old episodes of "Family Ties" or "The Brady Bunch," women were not referring to themselves or each other as goddesses or princesses.

In fact that kind of stuff was ridiculed/parodied like Joan Colilns in Dynasty. And dumb whores were dumb whores like Kelly Bundy.

Post: #154

(04-09-2019 07:38 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  ^The guy is probably confused, and should just date Asian women exclusively. I most open minded Chinese I know, would just not do blacks.

why won't they?

TDK

Post: #155

What difference does it make if a girl dates black guys? That’s some weak shit if it bothers you. Fucking WAWRT (weak/weesh ass white race trolls)

I don’t get the hate for sluts on here and by the way dating a black guy doesn’t make a girl a slut. If an Asian girl or black girl dates me, does that make her a slut?

Anyway back to my preference for sluts. I need a girl to come correct, I don’t have the patience to teach a chick how to suck dick or eat ass. You can keep the “good girls” I want all the hoes.

My way of thinking is, I don’t care how many or what kind of guys she’s dated. Actually in a sense I do care, deep down it bothers me if her dating history is full of dorks. I don’t want to be associated with that.

Dorks aside, I don’t care if her fuck buddy is a pornstar, bring it. She dates actors, athletes, magic Mike type strippers, models, musicians. Doesn’t matter, when she enters my arena for Sexual Kombat. I’m going to test her might. Sexual Kombaaaaaaat!

To be the best you have to beat the best WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Post: #156

Microchimeralism.

Post: #157

(04-09-2019 09:45 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 07:38 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  ^The guy is probably confused, and should just date Asian women exclusively. I most open minded Chinese I know, would just not do blacks.

why won't they?

TDK

In my part of Asia at least, the blacks are typically from Africa itself, not the US, which means they're often working low-class jobs (Club bouncer, laborer, etc.) and marrying them would be a pretty big step down in living standards versus marrying a local. They often speak the language poorly, if at all. If you're a girl dating a black guy, the usual opinion of the people around you would be that you're dating him for his looks/because the sex is good, not because you're seriously thinking about a future with him. There's exceptions to this, of course, but stereotypes are formed based on the norm, not the exception.

Post: #158

(04-09-2019 03:20 AM)Fortis Wrote:  There needs to be a huge philosophical overhaul of the way we portray manhood or this problem will escalate.

I think this is an excellent point, and I think one of the things that people are missing is just how HARD it is for your average chubby guy who's overweight and into video games and porn to lose weight and start banging girls. Think about what's involved:

1.) Breaking multiple addictions. Guy's probably addicted to sweet and fatty foods, and porn, and probably video games too. That's three addictions, all of which need to be dealt with. Conquering ONE addiction is difficult: look at how many people struggle and fail to quit smoking their whole lives. He's gotta deal with THREE.
2.) Real, actual pain. Lifting weights HURTS. You're sometimes sore for days after you do it, even if you do it right, and injuries can be awful. Dieting is hard. Hunger pangs will keep you up at night, particularly if you're intermittent fasting. I remember when I was dieting I would sometimes lick salt just to have something to fill my stomach with. Not fun.
3.) Repeated rejection. Remember, the body treats rejection like physical pain. The same brain chemstry takes place when you're turned down by a girl as when you're hit by a brick. When they say rejection feels "Like a punch in the gut", to the brain it literally does. And getting past all those initial "NOs", particularly if you're starting off socially awkward, is gonna take a lot of gut punches.
4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.


Now, these are easy sacrifices to make when the result is this:


Or even hedonistic one night stands with this:


But if all that waits for you at the end of the rainbow is this:


Is it any wonder that barely anybody wants to do it?

Post: #159

Growing up, I noticed that the worst prima donnas were either girls who were first-borns or onlies. I suspect the fact that we have smaller families has something to do with many girls growing up with over-inflated egos. In a big family, a girl has to compete for attention. She doesn't expect it or learn that it has to be earned. When a girl is an only child, she simply expects attention just for being there and showing up.

Has anyone done a study on this?

I learned a long time ago that if/when I do have a family that I definitely want my first-born to be a boy and not a girl.

Post: #160

I do business in the criminal defense area of law (though, IANAL). I'm in my '20s and as best I can see it, there is a reason why guys are not having sex, in addition to the ones mentioned here: legal liability. If you're able to get over and game all the shit tests, you're still stuck with this reality: your chances of being falsely accused are very high if you have sex on campus (where most young students reside). Ok, no problem, right? just don't have sex on campus? well, there are cases where school policies extend to OFF campus - yes and even then, how many college freshman have a bottomless wallet to foot the legal bills to defend themselves? not many, if any.

The other thing, millennial women have been conditioned by society to believe consensual sex after two beers is rape. There is a difference, as anyone would know between being blacked out and being horny after a few beers - but this is lost on most of the cohort of a generation raised on anthems like, "you go girl!", "girl power" and "consent means consent - at every step of the way." College is not a place to get laid anymore, not if you value your legal health - the risk is too high.

America could stand to decriminalize prostitution, I think that would be a step in the right direction if for nothing more than to decrease the artificially high value of average women who are overvalued by our rather puritanical social norms and forms of consent. I think we'll end up legalizing prostitution eventually, because a contract is the most explicit and detailed form of consent you can engage in - either that or the progressive and feminist left will end up brining America into a new sexually oppressive form of Victorianism (something I'm already seeing).

I would rather spend the $300 round trip to fly into MX City and bang hookers than put up with any American woman in a post metoo America, the risk is too much and not worth it. Sure, you find exceptions, but that's just it - most guys are not exceptional and we have to move heaven and earth just to even get overvalued, second-hand pussy that might ruin us - thanks but no thanks. As for the dudes who are 30 and 40 something, sure, you can 'play' these women to your advantage, but what happens when one of them goes rogue on you? do you want to waste your savings, reputation and possibly what you have in retirement defending against a frivolous claim? I'm of the opinion if every man from Chad an onward just flat out said 'NO' to these women, sex might become easier for the average guy again. It's disgusting previous generations did not face such high standards and odds.

Post: #161

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(04-09-2019 03:20 AM)Fortis Wrote:  There needs to be a huge philosophical overhaul of the way we portray manhood or this problem will escalate.

I think this is an excellent point, and I think one of the things that people are missing is just how HARD it is for your average chubby guy who's overweight and into video games and porn to lose weight and start banging girls. Think about what's involved:

1.) Breaking multiple addictions. Guy's probably addicted to sweet and fatty foods, and porn, and probably video games too. That's three addictions, all of which need to be dealt with. Conquering ONE addiction is difficult: look at how many people struggle and fail to quit smoking their whole lives. He's gotta deal with THREE.
2.) Real, actual pain. Lifting weights HURTS. You're sometimes sore for days after you do it, even if you do it right, and injuries can be awful. Dieting is hard. Hunger pangs will keep you up at night, particularly if you're intermittent fasting. I remember when I was dieting I would sometimes lick salt just to have something to fill my stomach with. Not fun.
3.) Repeated rejection. Remember, the body treats rejection like physical pain. The same brain chemstry takes place when you're turned down by a girl as when you're hit by a brick. When they say rejection feels "Like a punch in the gut", to the brain it literally does. And getting past all those initial "NOs", particularly if you're starting off socially awkward, is gonna take a lot of gut punches.
4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.


Now, these are easy sacrifices to make when the result is this:


Or even hedonistic one night stands with this:


But if all that waits for you at the end of the rainbow is this:


Is it any wonder that barely anybody wants to do it?

I respect all your points, but item 3 in a bit untenable in my mind. Any man who is decent with women has faced rejection. The higher your standard the more likely you will get rejected. Rejection is part of the game. In my estimation the men you speak of haven't tried. Getting rejected or stood up by 2-3 girls is child's play. They need to grow a pair and stop refusing to adapt to the market place. That is, if they give a shit

Post: #162

It’s kinda funny (and sad) that dating apps and social media were developed mostly by incels and nerds but have made things dramatically WORSE for that demographic.

Post: #163

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.

How intense can this get? A pretty bad experience with a girl I had oneitis with sent me back into the gym, and I'm already making steady progress. I've noticed reactions to my newfound gym obsession are mixed, if not somewhat indifferent/negative.

Are people going to hate me if I do end up dropping all the weight and get a fantastic body? (I'm shooting for about 50, 60 overall - already lost a little under ten.)

Post: #164

(04-10-2019 08:53 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.

How intense can this get? A pretty bad experience with a girl I had oneitis with sent me back into the gym, and I'm already making steady progress. I've noticed reactions to my newfound gym obsession are mixed, if not somewhat indifferent/negative.

Are people going to hate me if I do end up dropping all the weight and get a fantastic body? (I'm shooting for about 50, 60 overall - already lost a little under ten.)

2 roads to take, if you're friends are being negative about your "gains" drag their dorky asses along. The friends you have that remain resistant to you improving your station in health drop them like a bad habit

Post: #165

(04-10-2019 08:59 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:53 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.

How intense can this get? A pretty bad experience with a girl I had oneitis with sent me back into the gym, and I'm already making steady progress. I've noticed reactions to my newfound gym obsession are mixed, if not somewhat indifferent/negative.

Are people going to hate me if I do end up dropping all the weight and get a fantastic body? (I'm shooting for about 50, 60 overall - already lost a little under ten.)

2 roads to take, if you're friends are being negative about your "gains" drag their dorky asses along. The friends you have that remain resistant to you improving your station in health drop them like a bad habit

Post: #166

I had to cut away from my entire social circle when I chose not to take the easy road anymore. Even worse, now that I refuse to concede to the globohomo social narrative I functionally have to cut away from my entire family barring one uncle that "gets it".

I'm not sure what I would do without my own family. I can only imagine how lonely I'd be. That's one of the great things about having a family. Even if you're not socially active you never really feel lonely.

Post: #167

(04-11-2019 05:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I had to cut away from my entire social circle when I chose not to take the easy road anymore. Even worse, now that I refuse to concede to the globohomo social narrative I functionally have to cut away from my entire family barring one uncle that "gets it".

I'm not sure what I would do without my own family. I can only imagine how lonely I'd be. That's one of the great things about having a family. Even if you're not socially active you never really feel lonely.

This is something that saddens me deeply but seems unavoidable. Eventually, you can’t just talk the talk, you have to walk the walk. And if they think I’m crazy for voicing some opinions, the more I act on them the more removed I become from them. Similar thing with the wife’s family. The older generations are still ok, but the newer ones are not – and the parents, despite being naturally red pilled by their upbringing, have forgotten to insulate their children from the pernicious influence of the globohomo culture.

I was raised by extended family as much as nuclear, in fact, since my parents divorced when I was 10 I had to take masculine guidance wherever I could find it, and that meant other men in the family. But the family has been losing its cohesion because, again, they forgot to raise their kids properly and instead trusted the system. So I have been disconnecting from them more and more. When my children are born, I know I will have to make a choice because I don’t want them to be infected by my contemporaries or their spawn.

Same with friends. Although I count myself lucky to have long-time friends that are not completely blue pill, most of them are a few years older than me and not thinking of settling down. The one who has is married to a woman 4 years older than him and approaching 40, with a child just over one year old. She’s not that bad, but the scenario is terrible and the child is already showing signs of being physically weak with many health concerns, probably due to the mother’s age. Besides, they will not be concerned about raising the child and protecting him from the culture – since the mother doesn’t want to give up her career and will soon return to her job. The others will probably go the same way, or just keep their player lifestyles while they can. Both will become incompatible with my choices as well.

Someone made a thread about ‘intentional communities’ (or something similar), where you partner up with people that share the same beliefs. You would think Christian communities would be a no brainer for this, but it turns out most are as blue pill as they come. They may share your faith but are utterly incapable of even defending their children from the malicious influence of the culture.

In the end I think I’ll have to do the same as you Len. Perhaps you can share some tips on this as someone who has done it. Even if the ‘survivalist’ thread exists, I think this is a linked but separate topic. It does give me some hope that there are people doing it out there. In the end God created the family before it created the Church, and in this late stage of civilizational collapse, we might have to return to the basis to forge something new.

Post: #168

Once I left the city it became very easy. Spending even 6 months without free-to-air television signals surrounded by people who were also removed from that influence immediately changes your life.

Country towns with shit wireless reception that aren't also totally welfare-centric are real utopias by modern standards. Find a mountain valley somewhere that's not totally unemployed. Even with the internet there's something about people having to choose their own entertainment that cuts away the globohomo shit.

When you don't drive to work past 20 billboards telling you to tune into faggot X at 9 you simply never find yourself tuning in to faggot X at 9. I've known some people that couldn't hack "the silence" and went "back home".

The sticks are no place for NPCs.

Post: #169

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  2.) Real, actual pain. Lifting weights HURTS. You're sometimes sore for days after you do it, even if you do it right, and injuries can be awful. Dieting is hard. Hunger pangs will keep you up at night, particularly if you're intermittent fasting. I remember when I was dieting I would sometimes lick salt just to have something to fill my stomach with. Not fun.

Too real.

Pay the price anyway, but you'll also pay a price if you don't diet. You can't escape the pain either way.

Post: #170

(04-10-2019 08:53 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 03:21 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  4.) Abandoning your social circle and friends. If you're getting in shape, hitting the gym, and starting to go out with chicks, your friends aren't going to like that because you're making them look bad. You're going to drift apart from them, either for that reason or simply a lack of shared interests.

How intense can this get? A pretty bad experience with a girl I had oneitis with sent me back into the gym, and I'm already making steady progress. I've noticed reactions to my newfound gym obsession are mixed, if not somewhat indifferent/negative.

Are people going to hate me if I do end up dropping all the weight and get a fantastic body? (I'm shooting for about 50, 60 overall - already lost a little under ten.)

The ones who are being slightly negative right now are likely going to turn on you as soon as they realize it's not just a phase. Sorry buddy, but most people are losers, and they'll drag you down with them because they feel like you're making them look bad.

Friendship doesn't last forever, anyway. The young war band goes out, has some adventures, finds wives, and they settle down. Now is the time to start preparing for them to turn on you. Stop relying upon them for validation; find other people who share your desire to be a winner, and allow the old bonds to wither away. If any of them are serious about becoming winners too, or being a loyal friend, they'll make the effort - but most of them will just be happy that an uncomfortable reminder of their own weakness is gone. Yeah, people really are that shallow.

Post: #171

(04-07-2019 01:43 PM)Aurini Wrote:  I've been thinking about writing the following for some weeks now, but I've been having trouble with phrasing things in a way that doesn't sound whiny. But these numbers fit with what I've been experiencing, which is the following: looks-wise, I've got nothing to complain about with the women I've been seeing. No substantial deviation from the past. But emotionally speaking, I'm blown away by the callousness and outright cruelty that's present in them. Dating used to be fun - these days it's like an extended psychological struggle, and I'm thinking of going back to celibacy because the companionship is 0, and the sex is just not worth it.

[...]

I see a lot of suggestive evidence that the some of men who succeed in this environment are not Alpha in the sort of way that we'd describe - a lot of them are out of shape, their sexual equipment is questionable, and they're not particularly wealthy. So what is their advantage?

Low emotional affect. Which is to say, borderline psychopathy.

The entitlement-complex infesting most women has effectively turned them into psychopaths; they're not psychopaths clinically speaking, but because the culture has taught them that men don't have souls, they treat men with utter callousness. So, the only sort of men who can tolerate their company for an extended period of time are those who similarly lack affect. Those who are after one thing, and are willing to lie and manipulate to get it.

We have a coarsened culture, with coarse women, and a coarse dating scene. Those who will dropping out from this aren't necessarily the chumps - they're the men who have souls.

I hadn't been able to articulate it, but I've been having these exact feelings.

It boggles my mind how callously women treat men nowadays. I can't imagine behaving like they do, because I'd hate myself if I did. Here's a confession that makes me an outlier on the forum: Only once in my life have I fucked a girl I wasn't really into and then rejected her after. It actually felt awful. When she texted to hang out again, I wrote a long note trying to soften the blow, thanking her for everything and wishing her all the best. Even to this day, years later, I still occasionally think about what that must've done to her self-esteem and feel a little ashamed.

Contrast that with how girls treat me and other men: They expect us to take all of the social risk to create something, a task you could probably get them to admit is too difficult for them to even attempt, and mercilessly belittle those men who are a bit awkward at it. They have no qualms about letting you buy them shit even when they're totally uninterested in you. Even if it's just a drink or two, it's still unbelievably rude... something a decent person would maybe do to a salesman using company funds, certainly not an individual trying to form a personal relationship. They have no qualms about backing out on plans on a whim (i.e. "flaking"), sometimes without even letting you know, which of course wastes your time and fucks up your calendar, but do they give a shit? They have no qualms about just starting to ignore you out of the blue (i.e. "ghosting"), even when you've spent a lot of time and effort (and sometimes money) trying to court them, and even when it's clear you're developing feelings and this behavior will cause significant psychological torment.

Aurini, your comment about dating feeling "like an extended psychological struggle" hits the nail on the head for me. The pressure I put on myself to be as close to perfect as humanly possible, as the girl sits back and evaluates me while hardly even worrying about the impression she's leaving on me... the countless hundreds or maybe thousands of wasted hours; think what else I could've done with them... the torturous feeling, in the rare event that I come across a girl I really like, of waiting for a text reply and wondering 'is this it?' Is this the one she ignores that ends it dead in its tracks and sends me back to square one? It actually makes me physically queasy. I'm finding now that my primary motivation for gaming isn't the wonderful feeling of sex or companionship or anything, it's the thought that if I find a good one and stick with her, I won't have to deal with this shit anymore. I'll be free.

And this is with me being the type of guy most people think doesn't struggle. By any objective measure, most of the girls who treat me like I have zero worth are ones who should, in a symmetrical dating market, see me as an impossibly good catch.

I hate how whiny this all sounds, but when you've legitimately put in the work and still aren't getting the return, then it's totally fair to stop looking in the mirror and start looking outward.

I reiterate my previous post in this thread: There are some thought germs out there that are absolutely poisoning women's attitudes toward men.

Post: #172

People think it's awful that I am actually rooting for a civil war in America nowadays. I really do think it's our best hope though.

I now think that the only thing that will make American women change will be a significant reduction in the number of available men. If we get to a point in which there are maybe 120 women for every 100 men, women will definitely start shaping up. At this point, I am afraid it is the only thing that will change American women. They are so degenerate, and there are very forces out there that are trying to change them.

Post: #173

Historically speaking, only 40 - 60 percent some odd of men have ever reproduced. That can be expanded to ever getting laid. We are just reverting back to those times. History repeats itself and all.

Post: #174

Very honest post Delta.

From what have experienced and witnessed from other men, nearly all text and telephone exchanges; dating; short and long term relationships and marriages end with a form of ghosting by the woman.

It’s like any type of interaction or relationship with a woman is simply a man taking his turn.

Post: #175

Not to sound all cliché about how foreign women are a lot better, but they are haha. Im amazed by what I see here in Tokyo. Well-dressed, feminine women who ENJOY talking to men. I can easily approach any girl or woman on the street and worst-case scenario, she will politely bow out of the interaction. Girls here ogle guys all the time, you start to feel like a king. I’m not sure how I’m gonna adjust to Stephanie with a bachelors in Psychology after this experience. Fuck me....