RE: Gillette releases new toxic masculinity commercial: "The Best Men Can Be"
(01-20-2019 01:59 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:
I dunno bro.... most feminist are pretty fat and could prally take a few rounds to the blubber before they fell down and cried out for their cats... hiding behind one might not be a bad idea
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RE: Gillette releases new toxic masculinity commercial: "The Best Men Can Be"
(01-19-2019 07:52 PM)Subtext Wrote:
(01-19-2019 06:27 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote: < Marketing luxury brands to boomer women who inherit their parents' and their husbands' wealth - that is something I have no issue with.
The issue is with marketing campaigns like these which MAKE NO FINANCIAL SENSE! It did not make sense to go fully woke with video games, with comics, with movie franchises (Ghostbusters, Star Wars etc) - and yet - they did it. In fact it cost them all billions of dollars and they are still doing it!
We have to face the music - what the companies are doing for the globalist trillionaires is what some are willing to risk. Fine - let's push some more shit towards the NPCs and see whether they balk at having their balls cut off. If they revolt, then brainwash them some more, give them more soy and try again in a few years. That is how the globalists re-engineer our societies - IT'S NOT ABOUT FUCKING MONEY - THEY ALREADY OWN THE PLANET AND RULE IN THE SHADOWS.
Money is a zero sum game. Someone wins, someone else loses (unless you've perfected dealmaking). The sort of people who ascend to positions like these don't like to lose, so they don't. Then there are others, like a certain hedge fund manager, who actually have a god complex and use their positions and influence to effect change they want to see.
With regards to rulership - it's not just a trophy you put on a shelf. When you have it, you wield it, and what we are seeing is rulership being wielded. Look at the Davos conference, the Bildeberg Group, etc. When Napoleon dethroned the aristocracy, someone filled the vacuum: the financiers. This is the Age of the Banker, and what we're seeing is what happens when a ruling body consists of bureaucrats and misers instead of warriors and conquerors. This too shall pass, though it may take a while.
I wish I could believe this but I decidedly don't. This time the pendelum appears to be stuck.
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(01-20-2019 08:47 AM)HD668B Wrote: Here is one of the highest ranked youtube comment before it got deleted:
Toxic masculinity? 43% boys are raised by single women. 78% of teachers are female.
So almost half of the boys have 100% female influence at home, and 80% influence at school.
Toxic masculinity is not the problem. Lack of masculinity is.
What, you mean the (((tech far left))) care about transparency and readership objectivity?
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I have written an article on this ad. Trying to find a right leaning publication that accepts submissions.
Would have sent it to ROK if it was still in operation.
Does anyone know of any similar sites (to ROK) that would accept an article discussing this type of issue?
I have tried to be as balanced as possible while obviously criticizing the ad.
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(01-21-2019 03:03 AM)budoslavic Wrote:
(01-19-2019 09:23 AM)loremipsum Wrote: Johnnie Walker is joining the cuckwagon.
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It's much worse than that. They've gone full SJW based on this video. Gay/Lesbian marriage? Checked. Women empowerment? Checked.
Hilarious ad - obviously the usual SJW points of super-women, lesbian weddings and mostly black heroic men - it's essentially mainly black heroic men and a few White fat guys - even the boyfriend or "bestie" of hers is a fat white guy - forever friendzoned.
Oh - and your "next 12 years" lassie - they will be shit unless you are married with children. A woman from 18-30 has a great time spending the lottery ticket of her youth on shit.
The fucking psychos really want to make women into men - swinging their erect clits around. Disgusting.
Oh - and their phantom audience of female scotch drinkers - they can shove that right up their ass as well. Will not happen except for the most ball-busting psychos - more shitlords will be turned off by such ads than women attracted.
And blended Whiskeys can be good, but this is a good reason to never drink Walker again.
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On further thought, I think it is possible we will see a silent backlash in the near-term. Real men will eventually start "tuning out" of the propaganda -- as it's now getting too obvious -- in movies, television, advertising, etc., which is the last thing any brainwashing force wants to have happen. Where that will lead and for how long...? I don't know. Big players already have their plans in motion.
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The purpose of the propaganda at this point is less about changing people's minds and more about convincing the people rejecting it that they're a fringe minority who can never stand up to the new satanic orthodoxy.
This is most of the reason why the Trump election rocked the establishment to its core. Prior to that it was the established dogma that the kind of people that would vote for a Trump were the backward regressive 5%-10% of the population.
This is what their renewed cultural assault is about. Putting the silent majority (or slim minority) back in their box of imagined helplessness.
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^
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” - Theodore Dalrymple
Man, all this shit reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere, probably on this forum. It goes, "There are two types of people in the world: People who want to be left alone, and people who won't leave them the fuck alone." The latter group is firmly in the domain of the left.
RE: Gillette releases new toxic masculinity commercial: "The Best Men Can Be"
(01-21-2019 04:39 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: The purpose of the propaganda at this point is less about changing people's minds and more about convincing the people rejecting it that they're a fringe minority who can never stand up to the new satanic orthodoxy.
This is most of the reason why the Trump election rocked the establishment to its core. Prior to that it was the established dogma that the kind of people that would vote for a Trump were the backward regressive 5%-10% of the population.
This is what their renewed cultural assault is about. Putting the silent majority (or slim minority) back in their box of imagined helplessness.
Theodore Dalrymple Wrote:“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.
To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
― Theodore Dalrymple
Damn, Tactician beat me by a few seconds because I stopped to add the pretty quotes and bold text!
RE: Gillette releases new toxic masculinity commercial: "The Best Men Can Be"
Damn. You guys are good. This is spot on.
"...the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity." ― Theodore Dalrymple
And the counter to this is what? Biting your tongue isn't the natural state of man. And being vocal can cost you.
It seems problems like this have surfaced their ugly head many times in the past. I guess I need to do some research. I'm aware of Yuri Bezmenov and what he had to say. Maybe I need to give him another listen.
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(01-21-2019 04:39 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote: The purpose of the propaganda at this point is less about changing people's minds and more about convincing the people rejecting it that they're a fringe minority who can never stand up to the new satanic orthodoxy.
This is most of the reason why the Trump election rocked the establishment to its core. Prior to that it was the established dogma that the kind of people that would vote for a Trump were the backward regressive 5%-10% of the population.
This is what their renewed cultural assault is about. Putting the silent majority (or slim minority) back in their box of imagined helplessness.
Yeah - this could be it - when almost 100% of all major companies start spouting feminist-SJW-gender propaganda despite knowing that they will never convince at least 50% of the population, then we entered full communist-marxist times where even 90% of the open communists did not believe in the bullshit. All they wanted to do was to advance economically by repeating propaganda. And in truth the number of true believers nowadays is greater.
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By that stage the game was already over for the non-communists and had been for decades. There was no choice but to knuckle under and eat their shit sandwiches.
If Jütube had existed back in those days and you downvoted that video then you were off to the gulag or simply shot in town square.
The cat is out of the bag and the globalists are losing ground. The new generations are getting red-pilled at younger and younger ages due to their youthful rebelliousness against what is now the stale old orthodoxy of globohomo, which offers them nothing and demands their servitude.
Once the boomercucks die out and democracy is off the table as a solution we're going to see some very interesting times. It would be like Bolshevik power sputtering during the Holmodor and leaving an opening for the Ukranians to go for the jugular. Unlike the Ukranians we can see where this is all heading. There is no cheerful hope for a peaceful solution. Too many of us have guns and without the consent to be peacefully disarmed en-masse (it takes too long piecemeal regardless) the new commie genocide is going to run out of commissars very quickly.
Interesting times to be alive.
In 2030 I can imagine a modern globalist sitting next to Soviet Communist in hell.
"So you gave them technology that allowed them to communicate instantly among themselves?"
The globalist sighs and nods.
"We thought we could control them with limitless entertainment and pornography. I mean, why would they bother watching a low budget documentary about the real history of modern Europe when they could watch bouncing titties instead?! It's just not fair! Our plan was perfect!"
"Da, comrade. They all are."
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I don't think their goal is to convince the majority of people. If you want to control people, you shouldn't appeal to their sense of justice, right or wrong, or of what is true or untrue, or their conscience. The reason is because you don't control those things. They can change and you can't do anything about it.
What you should appeal to is the sense of wanting to be accepted rather than ostracized, that most people have. That you can control more than trying to appeal to conscience.
As long as you've managed to convince a loud minority, that loud minority will shepherd everyone else. They'll believe that they're convincing everyone else, but all they'll be doing is leading them and giving them something to latch on to, so as to not be ostracized.
Usually, shouting someone down isn't the way to win an argument. But in this case, and especially seeing as it's not even an argument, shouting the other side down is the way to win.
RE: Gillette releases new toxic masculinity commercial: "The Best Men Can Be"
While there's no answer to our specific question/problem, Yuri does get into how people -- at a high-level -- can reverse certain stages from happening at the 48:10 mark.
We're somewhere between Demoralization and Destabilization. You need prevention (all unwanted or foreign influences to a healthy society should be kept or kicked out) for the former and restrictions (no access to power for the fringe trying to make change) on the later.
Did you know Communists in California were banned from holding any state jobs until late 2017? Sounds like a good protective measure that recently got overturned. Communists and Socialist Democrats shouldn't even have a seat at the table, as far as I'm concerned.
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(01-21-2019 08:43 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote: I don't think their goal is to convince the majority of people. If you want to control people, you shouldn't appeal to their sense of justice, right or wrong, or of what is true or untrue, or their conscience. The reason is because you don't control those things. They can change and you can't do anything about it.
What you should appeal to is the sense of wanting to be accepted rather than ostracized, that most people have. That you can control more than trying to appeal to conscience.
As long as you've managed to convince a loud minority, that loud minority will shepherd everyone else. They'll believe that they're convincing everyone else, but all they'll be doing is leading them and giving them something to latch on to, so as to not be ostracized.
Usually, shouting someone down isn't the way to win an argument. But in this case, and especially seeing as it's not even an argument, shouting the other side down is the way to win.
And this is exactly what is happening. They have a propaganda spewing media, entertainment, academia, corporate complex that is spouting the same drivel. Then you have the true believers - the morons on the far left - who are policing everyone else. Then there is the majority of women who buy into it all. Plus you have the disgruntled non-Asian minorities who cannot compete in a high-IQ society with Whites, Asians and Jews, so of course are they going to cry racism, colonialism etc.
The rest of the non-shitlord Whites just want to be left in peace and not stand out too much as to not be called "racist", "xenophobic", Islamophobe, etc. So they bow down to the overall pressure more by instinct and even denying the facts even if they see lots of contrary evidence.
Gen Z is a bit mor savvy and conservative, but we shall see how much that will be worth when they will be 40% of the diverse West while the majority of their age-class will be disgruntled propaganda-filled minorities and weaponized feminazi women. It doesn't matter whether they see through the brainwashing - they will be too few to matter. Thus the flooding of the West with people who would vote in Mugabe and Chavez is absolutely essential.
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Uh-oh - original cut of the ad included a rapper throwing money among bitches, but they deleted it - the noble Wakandans must never be shown in a negative social justice light:
At 28 seconds you see the cut that was given to the TV stations.
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Sadly the more i stay in GenZ areas the more I realize they're a lost cause. Men ages 18-23 are already liberal beta cucks. Yeah they work out but they're still the low testosterone, weird weaklings that I saw when i was that age. The boys I know (that i pay basketball with or train in basketball) fit in 2 groups.
The biggest worry that I see both online and in person with Gen Z is the fact they put women on a pedestal. The ultra-radical female thoughts are dying but the Smaller ones have been accepted (women being sluts is ok, free the nip, pay gap, women need special treatment but somehow are equal, etc) the humor is more edgy but that's it.
The next worry is that yes Gen Z wants to have a traditional marriage but the men are so emasculated that they don't know how to. The tides have shifted, the women are the dominant ones, the ones who have many sexual partners, the players, the pimps. The men are the ones struggling, crying, begging for a relationship. MOST INCELS ARE AROUND 14-27. My target demographic for my app im developing is around 11-30 so being deep within their space is a must.
Gen Z is even more lost than millennials. Yes they might have slightly more conservative ideas BUT the number of weak men has risen.
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(01-21-2019 10:58 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote: Uh-oh - original cut of the ad included a rapper throwing money among bitches, but they deleted it - the noble Wakandans must never be shown in a negative social justice light:
At 28 seconds you see the cut that was given to the TV stations.
It's not really that. If you haven't noticed they keep adding to the coalition. That's the issue with their way of thinking. It's essentially Lord of the rings. The ORCS are white men.. a monolithic group. The reason they can't portray blacks in a negative light is because Then they'd be dissing a key part of their oppression coalition.. you notice it's always "Gays trannies, black and brown, wahmen"?? that's the coalition they are building to defeat the orcs.
This is demographic war if you havent realized it.
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(01-21-2019 10:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:
(01-21-2019 08:43 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote: I don't think their goal is to convince the majority of people. If you want to control people, you shouldn't appeal to their sense of justice, right or wrong, or of what is true or untrue, or their conscience. The reason is because you don't control those things. They can change and you can't do anything about it.
What you should appeal to is the sense of wanting to be accepted rather than ostracized, that most people have. That you can control more than trying to appeal to conscience.
As long as you've managed to convince a loud minority, that loud minority will shepherd everyone else. They'll believe that they're convincing everyone else, but all they'll be doing is leading them and giving them something to latch on to, so as to not be ostracized.
Usually, shouting someone down isn't the way to win an argument. But in this case, and especially seeing as it's not even an argument, shouting the other side down is the way to win.
And this is exactly what is happening. They have a propaganda spewing media, entertainment, academia, corporate complex that is spouting the same drivel. Then you have the true believers - the morons on the far left - who are policing everyone else. Then there is the majority of women who buy into it all. Plus you have the disgruntled non-Asian minorities who cannot compete in a high-IQ society with Whites, Asians and Jews, so of course are they going to cry racism, colonialism etc.
The rest of the non-shitlord Whites just want to be left in peace and not stand out too much as to not be called "racist", "xenophobic", Islamophobe, etc. So they bow down to the overall pressure more by instinct and even denying the facts even if they see lots of contrary evidence.
Gen Z is a bit mor savvy and conservative, but we shall see how much that will be worth when they will be 40% of the diverse West while the majority of their age-class will be disgruntled propaganda-filled minorities and weaponized feminazi women. It doesn't matter whether they see through the brainwashing - they will be too few to matter. Thus the flooding of the West with people who would vote in Mugabe and Chavez is absolutely essential.
Something else that they do is that they have these debates, these discussions on mainstream tv where everyone takes their views seriously, and tries to engage with them on a normal level, instead of ridiculing them.
Whenever I watch Piers Morgan I just know he's dying to tell some fat feminist to shut her piehole but he can't, he has to engage with them like they're worth having a real debate with. And they never bring up damning arguments, they just keep it nice and tame for the normal people otherwise they might give them something to really think about.
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(01-21-2019 05:38 AM)Tactician Wrote: Man, all this shit reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere, probably on this forum. It goes, "There are two types of people in the world: People who want to be left alone, and people who won't leave them the fuck alone." The latter group is firmly in the domain of the left.
Yup, keeps happening over and over again. You don't even have to go back that far in history. And decades later people learn about the Death Flights in Argentina or about Spain under Franco and wonder how the fuck something like this could ever happen. In most cases they don't learn about what preceded those events, and it basically boils down to exactly this: People who wanted to be left the fuck alone but continued to be terrorized by Marxists ideologues with an axe to grind.
You keep eating shit for long enough and at some point something just snaps.
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"An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed."
- Quoted from Fate of Empires and Search For Survival by Sir John Glubb (1976)
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(01-21-2019 03:20 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote: I always thought Johnnie Walker tasted like shit.
No true Scotsman would seriously consider it a whisky. In fact, in Scottish watering holes Walker is kept for tourists only. Such is the power of advertising.
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(01-21-2019 03:20 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote: I always thought Johnnie Walker tasted like shit.
I don't want to trigger anyone, but I don't like responses like this and I'll tell you why:
You know that famous scene in The Jerk where he's getting divorced and he's moving out and picking a small list of stuff he wants to hold onto, most importantly, the paddle-ball, all the way saying (unconvincingly) how he doesn't need this and doesn't need that?
When people say "I though X was shit anyway", that's what it is. It's a defense-mechanism as their world crumbles beneath their feet.
It's worth a shot, but I am not convinced that changing your buying habits and boycotting will cause business to give up its woke social-engineering and pandering behaviors. If enough of them do it you're just not going to be able to keep track of all the freakin' blacklists, especially when these companies are part of conglomerates like Gillette is.
Either we're living through a short-term fad or a generational shift. If it's the latter, then there's really not enough pushback that can be applied to stop it. The next generation (regardless of whatever epithets we hang on them) will outlive us and the world will have changed.
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