Post: #251

(01-16-2019 08:55 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 09:27 PM)Avoy Wrote:  

(01-15-2019 04:56 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  The only way to fight back is to make this personal. You go after the executives involved. Destroy their careers. Humiliate them in public. Throw your drink in their wive's face at a restaurant.

Go after Pankaj Bhalla. Personally.

This is the way our society works today. Personal vicious attacks, destruction of careers and/or jail time. Attacking families. That is the nature of politics and PR.

That's how the left wing plays now. The right wing needs to stop being so prissy and pick up the pace here. These are the rules. We need to play by the rules. Or they crush us.

Trump has shown us this. We need to learn his lesson.

People have been suggesting this for years, but the right doesn't have the media to run cover for them when they take this kind of action. Like how CNN celebrates and talks about Antifa, "protestors," or anyone who will get in someone's face as Maxine Waters encourages. In fact, the media will assist the police in doxing you if you or your group is on the right (or the opposition in general).

The lesson I learned from Trump is not to go after people or their families with a mob and assault them, but to mock them endlessly and publicly shame them. The bringing-light-to-darkness approach.

Sounds good to me.

Now you got me thinking... when would be the right time for men to hit the streets/disrupt the system? What would the conditions have to be like in a US scenario? We just saw what it took for the French with their Yellow Vest protest.

Post: #252

"...encouraging women to grow out their body hair"

Post: #253

Ouch. Toxic Femininity rampant at P&G.

Post: #254

Subscribed to Dollar Shave Club today. Maybe I can't punish a meg corp solo, but I will certainly vote with my $$$.

Post: #255

(01-16-2019 10:57 PM)Avoy Wrote:  Ouch. Toxic Femininity rampant at P&G.

This is rampant throughout all of corporate America.

It's' the gender wars. Women are gobbling up positions of power and while men will still be sweetly accommodating, the women are cooly aiming for genocide.

Trump is a tiny little blip. The women driving this have a plan: disenfranchisement and incarceration of all men. Drones and ultra-elite US military to stop any insurrections.

Post: #256

(01-17-2019 02:45 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 10:57 PM)Avoy Wrote:  Ouch. Toxic Femininity rampant at P&G.

This is rampant throughout all of corporate America.

It's' the gender wars. Women are gobbling up positions of power and while men will still be sweetly accommodating, the women are cooly aiming for genocide.

Trump is a tiny little blip. The women driving this have a plan: disenfranchisement and incarceration of all men. Drones and ultra-elite US military to stop any insurrections.

What I do see in the West is the long-game against men and traditional beliefs, culture, and values that have been passed on to us. And dare I say what could have been good women? It's death by a thousand cuts on anything anti-progressive. And like the frog being slow cooked in a pot of water... it won't know when to react because it's already dead. Luckily, those of us who are already paying attention can sidestep this fate.

Related: Black Pilled - The Great Boomer Deception [BitChute]

Post: #257

Trannies and bull-dykes will be the only ones left using this brand.

   

Post: #258

(01-17-2019 02:45 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  This is rampant throughout all of corporate America.

It's' the gender wars. Women are gobbling up positions of power and while men will still be sweetly accommodating, the women are cooly aiming for genocide.

Trump is a tiny little blip. The women driving this have a plan: disenfranchisement and incarceration of all men. Drones and ultra-elite US military to stop any insurrections.

Post: #259

(01-16-2019 10:48 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Nah - I think that they overblew it. They thought that the NPC males were more brainwashed than they were similar to how they predicted a 95% win of Hillary over Trump. SNIP
It was a giant blunder and nothing else. That brand manager above will get fired for it regardless whether it was signed off. Most of the market may not see it, but millions of men will never buy a Gillette razor again.

You’re missing the point. Most men stopped buying Gillette razor before this ad was even in the planning stage. Gillette is simply shifting its targeted customer base. One thing everyone knows is that it’s socially acceptable for women to buy products that are made for men. They don’t even need to change their product much or not at all. That's why in 2018, Harry’s a private razor company, a nano-Gilette corporation in terms of revenues and number of customers decided to create a women's brand after finding out that more than a million women buy women's razors.

Quote:SINCE HER TEENS, MURIEL Vega, now 29, of Atlanta, has bought men’s razors and shaving cream. It’s partly a cost-saving strategy passed down from her mother, but she’s also found that men’s razors work better for her. “Over time, I started seeing more lady-focused razors, but I started trying them and they’ll dull out halfway through one leg,” she says. “I started going back to the male razors.”

Source

Quote:Harry’s has carved out a niche selling men shaving razors direct to their doors. In the process, the company says it found that 1 million women were using its products for their shaving needs.

Source

I suspect most Gillette products in the future will be bought by women. Hence, the single mom hugging her child displayed at 0:17 and the men reducing themselves like chicks displaying women behavior. There is clearly a shift in the targeted customer base, they are trying to attract more women customers. That’s why this ad was made. Back in 2009 here’s what the CEO had to say about this;

Quote:Gillette was a male company, and we definitely understand how men shave their face and head," said AG Lafley, chief executive of Procter & Gamble, the Cincinnati consumer products conglomerate best known for products for women such as Tampax and Cover Girl. "But we're still learning about hair removal with women. Women are immensely more complicated when it comes to shaving. They have 18 times more surface area to shave than men, drier skin, and three different types of hair growing in hard-to-reach places, according to Anne Stewart, director of science at the Gillette Reading Technology Centre.

Source

Women are the best consumers for a brand like Gillette, if you have a product to sell chances are you will most likely make more money if you cater it to women. Women products cost more than men’s product. They call it the pink tax in marketing. Same product instead of blue I paint it in pink and I can charge more. My profit margin has just bumped a few percentage points. Also, products catered to women are usually smaller and pricier… More $$$$. According to a 2015 Consumer Affair study conducted in New York.

Quote:Personal-care products aimed at women cost 13% more than similar goods for men;
Home-health-care products for females were 8% higher than what men pay;

Source

I was disgusted by the video but I’m not delusional, I know that the people who made that video were aiming at this kind of reaction. Most of the posters on Youtube and here disgusted by the video are not Gilette’s customers to begin with. Those 370k likes are what is important here, for Gillette anyway. Also, since many here are claiming that marketing guys are so clueless at Gillette. Let’s look at the results…

In less than 4 days:

1) #2 in trending
2) 16M views
3) Huge media coverage (All newspapers from all political angles)
4) 370k likes

These are surely signs of bad advertising… Lol. It’s disgusting but effective. Any women who will watch that video is getting programmed to buy Gillette’s products…

(01-16-2019 10:57 PM)Avoy Wrote:  Ouch. Toxic Femininity rampant at P&G.

I find the backlash on P&G interesting, I am changing toothpaste as a result of this ad. I wonder if the boycott will be effective since most of their customers are women in the first place… Also, in a mega global corporation like P&G where every brand is working for itself, even if there was backlash movement - P&G boycott - I wonder if it will be powerful enough to make them trace back the loss in Sales of a brand like Charmin to this ad. The Gillette marketing exec or CEO couldn’t care less about that and I’d bet that none of them are going to loose their job anytime soon.

Also, for every men boycotting Gillette there is a women, a teen or brainwashed beta who is ready to replace them now. Anyone who has spent some time studying marketing and advertising will see through this bullshit. You have men displaying feminine behavior, reducing themselves (chick behavior) which was done to antagonize all the men and stir up the reactions... On the other hand, you have a single mom displayed hugging her kid… A men reducing himself to stop a guy to approach… Chicks behavior. Viral marketing 101. Antagonize the other to better influence the base.
The base is not men anymore- it has changed to women, teenagers and brainwashed men... It’s an ad catered mostly to women. Result; many men are disgusted by the video hence the dislikes… Millions of views and 370K likes… I was disgusted by the video but I’m not delusional, I know that those who made that video were aiming at this kind of reaction. The majority of posters on Youtube and in here disgusted by the video are not Gilette’s customers to begin with.

The number of likes is what is important here. I would love to see a breakdown of those likes from a demographic perspective. I know that Gillette and youtube will never let that data out but I have a pretty good idea; 90% of them are either women, adolescent teens or brainwashed betas.

Post: #260

(01-17-2019 03:16 AM)tygertgr Wrote:  Been shaving a long time. Gillette do in fact make by far the best product. People telling you to use a safety razor, schick, bick, or the korean knockoffs (dorco/DSC) are delusional. Tried it all, including high end electric for a couple long stints. I've shaved with a straight edge, out of curiosity (it's doable, but far too annoying to keep sharp enough, and a dangerous process). The Gillette Fusion ™ cartridges have excellent quality control. They are sharp and last me three weeks every time, without fail, and I can easily shave in the shower in 30s without a mirror.

The main thing is quality control and inconsistency: With off-brands you get the occasional ragged blade or one that lasts only four shaves. With electric the problem is essentially that you can never get a truly close shave, and can never skip even a day if you're avoiding the stubble look. (If you're blonde or red-head consider going electric: it's way cheaper. Dark hair stubble just rarely works, IMHO.)

The question is really how do marketing weirdos hijack such a brand. Thousands of men like me do in fact know that over a century of engineers and metallurgists and logistics professionals at Gillette have worked to ensure they really do make the best product. Those people are still at work. Who exactly are these marketing nut jobs and why are they allowed to attack such an institution?

Because the merits of a product (specs) don't sell products. It's how you feel about buying and using them. Vox Day touches on this his Rhetoric and Dialectic video.

Post: #261

It's a nice compilation of the points addressed in the Gillette commercial - if you can stomach it at all due to being so infuriating.

Post: #262

I think the women and soys that made the commercial overdid it but it seems clear to me now this is a sign of the times. Women have replaced men as the primary consumer of products and now movies, apps, phones, commercials, vidya, even comic books are beginning to reflect that. It's actually worse because even things that women have close to zero interest in (Vidya) need to be
sanitized to cater to their feelings and sensitivity or it will be subjected to bad press or even boycott. Gentlemen, we are fucked.

Post: #263

@BurnerEmail this is a great point. Women are simply the bigger consumers and buy way more shit than men. I think I read that they influence 83% of the market, it could be more. I’ve seen this in my own life (plates that have a shit load of clothes, tons of knick knacks, and the requisite credit card debt). Guys are pretty simple, and don’t require as much shit and I guess don’t get the “rush” from shopping.

There’s a “conspiracy” theory that first wave feminism was pushed by certain forces to create a massive new consumer and tax base (women). That’s a rabbit hole for another day, but either way it seems to have worked. Makes sense that these big companies are pandering to women now at the expense of men

Post: #264

(01-17-2019 08:09 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I think the women and soys that made the commercial overdid it but it seems clear to me now this is a sign of the times. Women have replaced men as the primary consumer of products and now movies, apps, phones, commercials, vidya, even comic books are beginning to reflect that. It's actually worse because even things that women have close to zero interest in (Vidya) need to be
sanitized to cater to their feelings and sensitivity or it will be subjected to bad press or even boycott. Gentlemen, we are fucked.

If they're not already, they'll be out-earning men as a population soon. They already out-shop us as at the mall and online. Women predominantly make all the buying decisions in the home. Just like "mobile first" web/app development. Companies are prioritizing women first. In all honesty, women don't need men (they can just hire a guy). They're going to do fine on their own. Men are going to have a much harder time in the future unless the world goes to shit and war breaks out. I think I just swallowed another black pill.

Post: #265

(01-16-2019 08:28 PM)rvlefty Wrote:  This is a bit off-topic, and I hate the term "toxic masculinity", but the most (only) toxic masculinity I think about is what is shown in gangster rap music. I don't see campaigns about boycotting that or what kind of role models those kind of men are creating for young people.

Here's the thing and many guys figured it out, even on here. Gangster rappers know HOW to treat women.

Granted it's for the wrong reasons (most are probably homosexuals) but the core principles of "gangster rap" are

1. MOB-Money over bitches
2. Your frame, reputation, and image is everything
3. Be loyal to your tribe (gang, group, family, business, record label, etc)
4. Always have a hustle
5. Keep women off a pedestal
6. Live YOUR life to the fullest

Sky is the limit and the mobb by lil Wayne might be hated on here but it ALWAYS tends to motivate me to work out, work on my business, hustle in anyway.

Post: #266

(01-17-2019 08:38 AM)Avoy Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 08:09 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  I think the women and soys that made the commercial overdid it but it seems clear to me now this is a sign of the times. Women have replaced men as the primary consumer of products and now movies, apps, phones, commercials, vidya, even comic books are beginning to reflect that. It's actually worse because even things that women have close to zero interest in (Vidya) need to be
sanitized to cater to their feelings and sensitivity or it will be subjected to bad press or even boycott. Gentlemen, we are fucked.

If they're not already, they'll be out-earning men as a population soon. They already out-shop us as at the mall and online. Women predominantly make all the buying decisions in the home. Just like "mobile first" web/app development. Companies are prioritizing women first. In all honesty, women don't need men (they can just hire a guy). They're going to do fine on their own. Men are going to have a much harder time in the future unless the world goes to shit and war breaks out. I think I just swallowed another black pill.

I see it differently. Women need someone to talk to, someone who will listen to them. The high-T men I know are just fine with being on their own and doing their thing.

You are right about the fact that women are out shopping us, but mostly by purchasing useless objects. Things like shitty non-repairable shoes, endless amounts of clothing made for one season, and all kinds of other items that no one really needs.

I know both men and women in their 40's who are single and earning a decent wage. The men are fine being a single until the day they drop dead. The women are going to expensive therapy and are awesome pharma consumers.

Post: #267

Post: #268

In my opinion this has little to do with Women as Consumers, or even the profits of P&G at this point. This is a far-larger issue than those things.


I have come to the conclusion that Masculinity itself is the driving force behind human evolution. On a more fundemental level, Masculinity is Objectivity personified. Objectivity is important because it defines what is real, what is good, and what is True. You can become a good Engineer, Sportsman, Artist etc because those things are all Objective and all defined by regular Rules and Laws, therefore we have an Objective understanding of what is good in those fields, and without it being Objective, good or bad would not make sense.

All things that exist are based on some system, a set or Rules or Laws that govern it. If the Laws of Physics did not exist, neither would anything in our Universe. Non-Physical things too, if they exist must depend on them following some set of rules. For instance, music is music, rather than just sound, because it follows certain Laws of Sound and their affect on Humans, Poetry follows the Laws of Language and Metre, Programmers must follow the rules of the Programming Language. I can go to the park, set some markers, and following the rules of the game, I can play football. If I go to the park with a ball, kick it around without following some set of rules, it is nothing, would interest no-one, and would be a non-thing.

Because Laws exist outside of Humans, the systems they create can be said to be Objective. Therefore, all existing things, be they physical or non-physical (Maths, Poetry, Games etc) are Objective, as they are based on Laws (that we agree on).

In the same way, we can say that Religion, Art, Culture and Societies are all Objective things. We only need to find the Laws on which they are based.

Western Liberalism is an evil ideology, worse than any other Religion thus created, for two main reasons, all related to it's lack of Objectivity.

1. Western Liberalism is Anti-Masculine and Pro Feminine. Masculinity is the personification of a desire for Objectivity in all living things. Men by their very nature are more Objective than Women. It is through Men that Humanity has developed a better Objective understanding and manipulation of the physical world.

2. Western Liberalism is Anti-Objective. It is not capable of differentiating Art from Non-Art. Virtuous from Degenerate Culture. Western Liberalism does not understand that Cultures are Objective, Existent, real things. Instead of studying Cultures and their characteristics from an Objective, anthropological perspective, it takes a Subjective position and judges other cultures (Saudi, Iran, Russia, India) as evil and backward because they do not accept their own values. Western Liberalism is a Subjective, Racist, Intolerant Religion that believes in the Moral Absoluteness of it's own position, and would forcefully impose it on other societies. Western Liberalism is probably the most intolerant ideology the world has yet seen, even Muslims and Christians societies have accepted the validity of different systems for different countries, atleast in practice anyway. The inability to see Societies as Objective things, governed by systems of Law (natural Law) means Western Liberalism cannot see the negative impact of its values on Society, because the relationship of Cause and Consequence only exist within Objective things that follow some system or rules, which determine the causal relationship.

Objectivity is humble, curious, intelligent, creative, stoic, heroic, and Masculine.
Subjectivity is emotional, arrogant, narcissistic, delusional, ignorant and non-Masculine.

Gillette, with it's attack on Masculinity, is attacking Objectivity, the very nature of existence itself.

As a Religion, or a Philosophical Position, a greater evil has yet to be seen. This is not a debate about Profit Margins or the increase in female consumption. This is Blasphemy taken to new heights, forced upon Men to endure and suffer, justified only by Power and Money, and driven by a desire to demoralize those who stand in their path to Tyrannical Power through Subjective Capitalism.

Objectivity is Equality and Democracy because these depend on Laws under which all Humans are equal.

Subjectivity is Tyranny as it is based on Power alone. Western Capitalism/Consumerism is Subjective because it is based on selling shit products to stupid consumers, where success is measured not how useful or good (objective measures) your products are but how many people (subjective measure) buy your stuff.

Post: #269

All foetuses start off as female. A foetus becomes Male when the Y-chromozone sends a signal that changes its development and moves it away from the default position (female).

This development, this movement away from default, is what Masculinity is all about, active self-improvement. But if it is a movement away from default (feminine) then what is it a movement towards. I argue this is a movement towards being more Objective. This movement away from Passive Subjectivity towards Active Objectivity continues throughout mens live.

We know this is a movement that Males make in one direction, that is not mirrored by women, by looking at the variation in Masculinity within Men, and we can see that some men are more than others, because they have moved more.

Because Men desire to move towards Masculinity calling a man very Masculine is seen as a complement.
Because Women do not move towards anything, calling a women very feminine does not work as a complement in the same way.

Women also desire Masculine traits such as physical strength, whereas Men do not desire feminine traits.
Men have a hatred of the feminine as this is something they wish to move away from, just as good programmer has contempt for bad programming.

Masculinity is an active self-movement towards excellence.
Femininity is simply the absence of Masculinity, not a value in and of itself.

The ad is the highest form of Blasphemy.

Post: #270

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Women always find a way to play the victim role. Even with the tiny amount of body hair they have, they some how still have it worse than men. Januhairy? For many guys it`s #HairyAllYeary, whether you like it or not, or something like that.

Post: #271

(01-14-2019 12:06 PM)Mortay Wrote:  Gillette dropped this little subversive propaganda piece on us today. They clearly do not care about profits at this stage (read the comments and like/dislike ratio).
These companies will stop at nothing with their get woke, go broke campaigns.

We should create our own make-up commercial lecturing women for False Rape Accusations and then promote it around the web. "Maybe it's Make Believe!"

Post: #272

Ok so for those who decided to switch, any recommendations on good safety razor blades, preferably made somewhere in europe but at least not made by some globohomo conglomerate ?

Post: #273

(01-17-2019 02:53 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 12:06 PM)Mortay Wrote:  Gillette dropped this little subversive propaganda piece on us today. They clearly do not care about profits at this stage (read the comments and like/dislike ratio).
These companies will stop at nothing with their get woke, go broke campaigns.

We should create our own make-up commercial lecturing women for False Rape Accusations and then promote it around the web. "Maybe it's Make Believe!"

Someone already did this. I saw it on another blog but decided not to put it here. It's awful. It was done by an Australian guy (I assume) who has a high-pitched, non-masculine, nasal voice that evokes every negative thing you fear about MGOTW men.

Anyway, the female equivalent of the Gillette ad wouldn't have to do with false rape assusations, domestic violence, or any of that stuff. It would have to do with the biggest modern female epidemic.

OBESITY.

Last I checked, 2/3 of American woman are overweight. More than men, percentage-wise. Besides being unsightly, obesity leads to a plethora of medical problems.

So, these fat women put a massive burden on the health care system and even damage their unborn kids, since kids born to fat women are more likely to have a variety of ailments. (This has been documented on here before, and I don't feel like finding links yet again. Someone else can do the legwork this time.)

Beyond all that, calling women out on obesity hits them harder emotionally than calling them out on "false rape." Most women struggle with body image issues. Very few falsely accuse men of things.

On top of that, Gillette's ad sought to emasculate men. So, men need to do the reverse to women: De-feminise them. The way to do that is by insulting the way they look, not bringing up legal concepts foreign to most of them.

If the manosphere wants to beat back corporate America and the SJWs, they have to go for the jugular. "False rape" ain't the way to do that. Saying "your obesity is damaging to yourself and others" is.

Post: #274

(01-17-2019 03:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 02:53 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(01-14-2019 12:06 PM)Mortay Wrote:  Gillette dropped this little subversive propaganda piece on us today. They clearly do not care about profits at this stage (read the comments and like/dislike ratio).
These companies will stop at nothing with their get woke, go broke campaigns.

We should create our own make-up commercial lecturing women for False Rape Accusations and then promote it around the web. "Maybe it's Make Believe!"

Someone already did this. I saw it on another blog but decided not to put it here. It's awful. It was done by an Australian guy (I assume) who has a high-pitched, non-masculine, nasal voice that evokes every negative thing you fear about MGOTW men.

Anyway, the female equivalent of the Gillette ad wouldn't have to do with false rape assusations, domestic violence, or any of that stuff. It would have to do with the biggest modern female epidemic.

OBESITY.

Last I checked, 2/3 of American woman are overweight. More than men, percentage-wise. Besides being unsightly, obesity leads to a plethora of medical problems.

So, these fat women put a massive burden on the health care system and even damage their unborn kids, since kids born to fat women are more likely to have a variety of ailments. (This has been documented on here before, and I don't feel like finding links yet again. Someone else can do the legwork this time.)

Beyond all that, calling women out on obesity hits them harder emotionally than calling them out on "false rape." Most women struggle with body image issues. Very few falsely accuse men of things.


On top of that, Gillette's ad sought to emasculate men. So, men need to do the reverse to women: De-feminise them. The way to do that is by insulting the way they look, not bringing up legal concepts foreign to most of them.

If the manosphere wants to beat back corporate America and the SJWs, they have to go for the jugular. "False rape" ain't the way to do that. Saying "your obesity is damaging to yourself and others" is.

Here`s a good one. Obese mother`s give birth to children that have telomeres that are shorter than normal weight mother`s babies. This to the tune of about on average 17 years reduced lifespan.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016...o-17-year/

What this really means is that cells will get to the apoptotic stage (Hayflick limit) sooner than with normal weight mother`s babies. They`re born with significantly older cells in other words. This essentially means mutations, cancer, CVD, dementia etc. occurring prematurely. That`s the real price that have too be payed for all those donuts etc.
(Fat cunts!)

Post: #275

(01-17-2019 03:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Someone already did this. I saw it on another blog but decided not to put it here. It's awful. It was done by an Australian guy (I assume) who has a high-pitched, non-masculine, nasal voice that evokes every negative thing you fear about MGOTW men.
Anyway, the female equivalent of the Gillette ad wouldn't have to do with false rape assusations, domestic violence, or any of that stuff. It would have to do with the biggest modern female epidemic.
OBESITY.
Last I checked, 2/3 of American woman are overweight. More than men, percentage-wise. Besides being unsightly, obesity leads to a plethora of medical problems.
So, these fat women put a massive burden on the health care system and even damage their unborn kids, since kids born to fat women are more likely to have a variety of ailments. (This has been documented on here before, and I don't feel like finding links yet again. Someone else can do the legwork this time.)
Beyond all that, calling women out on obesity hits them harder emotionally than calling them out on "false rape." Most women struggle with body image issues. Very few falsely accuse men of things.
On top of that, Gillette's ad sought to emasculate men. So, men need to do the reverse to women: De-feminise them. The way to do that is by insulting the way they look, not bringing up legal concepts foreign to most of them.
If the manosphere wants to beat back corporate America and the SJWs, they have to go for the jugular. "False rape" ain't the way to do that. Saying "your obesity is damaging to yourself and others" is.

You can attack their body images all you want... but no matter how fat these girls become they are still getting dick.

My sister is one of these SJW's... and she is pushing 300lbs. She doesn't give a shit because whenever she wants some action she goes down to her local club and pulls some guy that looks like Tyrese Gibson for a night of hot dickings.

Sure this might be hitting some women where it hurts... but those are not the SJWs. You want to hit them where it hurts... CALL THEM LIARS! Attack the idea the we need to even listen to the shit they say and display them as unimportant. That's really what kills destroys their ego.