Post: #101

As an Aussie I have to say the service in the states is very fantastic. I didn't mind tipping to get looked after so well, everywhere I went.

It was depressing to get back to shit service outside the states.

Post: #102

The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

Post: #103

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

As a tipper, I agree with Monster. All non-tippers are going to hell.

Post: #104

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

Is it beta to leave a tip when you only purchased appetizers?

Post: #105

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

So what are your upcoming plans for Hanukkah?

Post: #106

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

It's not frivolous at all. And this non-tippers don't care is bullshit. You know why Iknow someone has a personal policy about tipping? Because they told me about it!

I've never met one of these bad tippers with a personal policy about it that isnt a complete jackass in many other aspects of their lives.

Having a personal policy about tipping leads me to believe inly one thing about the person: His bullshit beliefs are all a big smokescreen to hide the fact that your no-pussy-getting ass is broke as fuck!

I stand wit Gangsta Boo:





Aloha!

Post: #107

(11-19-2018 10:02 PM)monster Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:00 PM)Repo Wrote:  Post the full article because that quote doesnt support your "not really comment". Its blocked by a paywall.

Use a paywall blocker browser extension.

Ok, I finally read the article, which is something you clearly didn't do, because it doesn't actually support your "not really" comment at all. I've been meaning to add this to the list of RVF trolls, trolls who post articles that they clearly haven't actually read. In fact:

"Mr. Lynn’s research finds that tipping isn’t substantially different in states where there is one minimum wage. Add higher hourly pay, plus the fact that many guests will be tipping on bigger checks thanks to menu price increases, and workers potentially have a lot to gain, he said."

Post: #108

I wish for simplicity's sake that tipping culture was replaced by restaurants just charging 20% more. With that said, this Heartiste post is so abjectly retarded it makes me feel dirty for liking some of his early stuff. It sounds like the inverse of something you'd chuckle at from some obscure radfem blog that even Jezebel readers don't take seriously. Imagine reading a feminist rant encouraging readers to stiff cab drivers because they're mostly male and thus the custom to tip them must be the Patriarchy transferring wealth from women to men. You'd laugh your dick off. That's how this Heartiste post comes off to any sane person.

RIP Heartiste, you had a good run when you were awakening men to the rosy delusions they'd been fed. But that dude needs to step away from the keyboard at this point.

Post: #109

(11-21-2018 12:06 AM)Delta Wrote:  I wish for simplicity's sake that tipping culture was replaced by restaurants just charging 20% more. With that said, this Heartiste post is so abjectly retarded it makes me feel dirty for liking some of his early stuff. It sounds like the inverse of something you'd chuckle at from some obscure radfem blog that even Jezebel readers don't take seriously. Imagine reading a feminist rant encouraging readers to stiff cab drivers because they're mostly male and thus the custom to tip them must be the Patriarchy transferring wealth from women to men. You'd laugh your dick off. That's how this Heartiste post comes off to any sane person.

RIP Heartiste, you had a good run when you were awakening men to the rosy delusions they'd been fed. But that dude needs to step away from the keyboard at this point.

Is it even the same guy? I heard several writers were contributing to it under the name, may not have been true though

Post: #110

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

None of this is true. The tippers are simply pointing out that the original article reads like an autistic interpretation of reality, and that if you actually explained to someone, in real-life, that you don't tip because of the reasoning that the author provided, not only would you accomplish nothing, but people would think that you're simply a butthurt, woman-hating, limp-dicked incel (and they'd be right).

Post: #111

(11-21-2018 12:36 AM)Repo Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 12:06 AM)Delta Wrote:  I wish for simplicity's sake that tipping culture was replaced by restaurants just charging 20% more. With that said, this Heartiste post is so abjectly retarded it makes me feel dirty for liking some of his early stuff. It sounds like the inverse of something you'd chuckle at from some obscure radfem blog that even Jezebel readers don't take seriously. Imagine reading a feminist rant encouraging readers to stiff cab drivers because they're mostly male and thus the custom to tip them must be the Patriarchy transferring wealth from women to men. You'd laugh your dick off. That's how this Heartiste post comes off to any sane person.

RIP Heartiste, you had a good run when you were awakening men to the rosy delusions they'd been fed. But that dude needs to step away from the keyboard at this point.

Is it even the same guy? I heard several writers were contributing to it under the name, may not have been true though

Once it went from Roissy to this guy or group of guys, it really started to slip. I think in the beginning the writers try to make their content a bit closer to Roissy's but as time passed it has slowly devolved.

Post: #112

(11-20-2018 11:27 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

It's not frivolous at all. And this non-tippers don't care is bullshit. You know why Iknow someone has a personal policy about tipping? Because they told me about it!

I've never met one of these bad tippers with a personal policy about it that isnt a complete jackass in many other aspects of their lives.

Having a personal policy about tipping leads me to believe inly one thing about the person: His bullshit beliefs are all a big smokescreen to hide the fact that your no-pussy-getting ass is broke as fuck!

I stand wit Gangsta Boo:





Aloha!

So....you're not jewish?

Post: #113

(11-20-2018 11:22 PM)wi30 Wrote:  So what are your upcoming plans for Hanukkah?

(11-20-2018 11:27 PM)Kona Wrote:  I've never met one of these bad tippers with a personal policy about it that isnt a complete jackass in many other aspects of their lives.

Having a personal policy about tipping leads me to believe inly one thing about the person: His bullshit beliefs are all a big smokescreen to hide the fact that your no-pussy-getting ass is broke as fuck!

(11-21-2018 12:40 AM)nek Wrote:  None of this is true. The tippers are simply pointing out that the original article reads like an autistic interpretation of reality, and that if you actually explained to someone, in real-life, that you don't tip because of the reasoning that the author provided, not only would you accomplish nothing, but people would think that you're simply a butthurt, woman-hating, limp-dicked incel (and they'd be right).

Thanks for proving my point:
The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it....Tippers militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to

Post: #114

My parents taught me some very simple rules.

You always give a 10% tip if you are happy with the service.
If it was outstanding, you can give more.
If you were not happy, you don't have to give anything.

That's what everyone else was doing, and that's how all the people I gew up with are handling it as well.

So where did these 20% suddenly come from?
I've never heard about this before.

Post: #115

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

Just checking in from yesterday to see where the thread is going.

Haven't really thought about it till now.

Glad monster has been stewing over this and working out exactly how I think so that I won't have to bother.

Guy deserves a tip.

Post: #116

There's a hashtag war about, of all things, tipping in restaurants? Is "professional shit-stirrer" a job now?

Post: #117

(11-20-2018 11:27 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 10:39 PM)monster Wrote:  The biggest difference between Tippers and #TeamNoTip is that Tipper's vehemently hate #TeamNoTip and will kick and scream and swear all #TeamNoTippers to hell and back and will even lose friendships over it, whereas #TeamNoTippers really don't care if someone tips or not (they just know they don't tip) and, most importantly, unlike Tippers who militantly judge a man's character by which team that person belongs to, #TeamNoTippers never judge a man's character by such a frivolous thing.

It's not frivolous at all. And this non-tippers don't care is bullshit. You know why Iknow someone has a personal policy about tipping? Because they told me about it!

I've never met one of these bad tippers with a personal policy about it that isnt a complete jackass in many other aspects of their lives.

Having a personal policy about tipping leads me to believe inly one thing about the person: His bullshit beliefs are all a big smokescreen to hide the fact that your no-pussy-getting ass is broke as fuck!

The above in bold unfortunately is generally true.

The people especially that make a big deal out of not tipping and how it's encouraging restaurants to get away with paying their employees less are usually autists.

The same type of people that would go to a different country and instead of understanding the different culture and adjusting so that things go smoothly, they instead look down on that culture and anyone in that culture can sense immediately just how much of a douche that person is. That person then thinks that culture is even shittier than they thought prior but in reality they get an even worse experience in that culture because of their very own behavior.

Post: #118

Usually we have a big race thread before the holidays.

Let's all give thanks we are taking a break this year by falling into the tipping/no tipping camps as a sign of racial solidarity for the holidays.

Kona. Please don't ruin it. That includes all references to Matt Forney.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Post: #119

(11-21-2018 03:33 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Usually we have a big race thread before the holidays.

Let's all give thanks we are taking a break this year by falling into the tipping/no tipping camps as a sign of racial solidarity for the holidays.

Kona. Please don't ruin it. That includes all references to Matt Forney.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Well it is harder for minorities like myself to participate in this tipping thread because we purchase our food with EBT cards, and restaurants don't take those.

But I agree, lets all use our wic benefits to have a nice holiday, even though its the end of month and they've mostly run out.

I hope its ok to let you know that the centerpiece on the white people table at my house will be called the Forney-copia, bt thats all about him.

Happy Holidays.

Aloha!

Post: #120

That was my fault. I can see that now.

There are plenty of people more than happy to give you cash in exchange for an hour with your EBT card, so that excuse doesn't work.

Post: #121

(11-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 03:33 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Usually we have a big race thread before the holidays.

Let's all give thanks we are taking a break this year by falling into the tipping/no tipping camps as a sign of racial solidarity for the holidays.

Kona. Please don't ruin it. That includes all references to Matt Forney.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Well it is harder for minorities like myself to participate in this tipping thread because we purchase our food with EBT cards, and restaurants don't take those.

But I agree, lets all use our wic benefits to have a nice holiday, even though its the end of month and they've mostly run out.

I hope its ok to let you know that the centerpiece on the white people table at my house will be called the Forney-copia, bt thats all about him.

Happy Holidays.

Aloha!

i'll support the Polynesian ethno state as long as you still leave some strippers for the rest of the states,and lil boo's 'can i get paid' is the national anthem of your new country. Instead of declaration of independence you guys should just make a music video with a bunch of strong independent Polynesian women beating up the tech dudes/ kambucha acia bowl stand yuppies,and laird Hamilton going full napoleon Bonaparte on a jet ski fitted with a 50 cal.
#PPP
#Polynesianpower
#MakeHawaiiHaolefreeagain

Post: #122

I usually make it a game... calc the meal and drink costs then add 15% and minus a dollar per waiter/waitress on mistakes or bad service... justify the tip you give.

Post: #123

Post: #124

For those on Team NoTip that say that owners should "pay their staff a living wage" instead of getting tips, you have an overly simplistic view that betrays your ignorance of the industry and/or the principles of general business ownership.

Especially in a high cost of living state like California, you're paying your servers the local or state minimum wage, whichever is higher. In CA this will soon be $15/hr in some cities. After rent, utilities, food cost (which constantly go up every year because vendors build in the same minimum wage increases), absurd workers comp bills, perennial "rush job" rates on maintenance, and 90 hour work weeks you have little enough left for yourself. For most mom&pop restaurants, there's very little wiggle room to allocate more of the net profit to servers just because #NoTip doesn't want to participate in a widely practiced cultural norm in the US.

Post: #125

Having said all this, I'd like to think that I'm not one of those dogmatic "always tip 20%" kind of people. I'll try to give service staff the benefit of the doubt, especially if the restaurant seems understaffed or they look obviously inexperienced. But if a server is outwardly rude, incompetent or very apathetic, I'll have a frank talk with the manager or owner about it. It's probably only happened a handful of times but I've never had clashes afterwards with servers wondering why I undertipped or stiffed them.

At that point, they know why: cuz they fucked up and didn't deserve a good tip. But going around not tipping because "you're subsidizing women" or because you don't feel like it is silly. You're snubbing an arguably important social compact that more or less states that if you dine at a sit-down establishment, you're supposed to leave a 15-20% gratuity for service staff. Can always order to-go or stick to quick service restaurants if you're that disinclined to tip.