Post: #251

When I have time I’ll write a bottle service tutorial. At least how I’ve done it and would do it with that amount of resources.

He def needs to educate himself. I’ve gotten countless bangs and a threesome using the bottle service method.

Post: #252

(11-03-2018 04:34 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I've just returned from testing bottle service for the first time ever.
....
anyways, i tried it and massive failure.

You looked like a fucking weirdo up there all alone.

You're inability to understand how strange and off-putting your behavior was indicates that you really need to accept that club game and trying to bang 8-10s is probably WAYYY too advanced for you at this point. You need to step back and focus on being able to simply develop relationships with other people.

I know/knew a guy, SUPER rich - made something like $100-200mm through a series of tech companies he'd worked for. Owned a ~$20mm house in Malibu with a pool that overlooks the ocean. He's actually very fit and healthy in his early-50s. Motherfucker pulls back to his place some Asian chick in her 20s. She's naked in his pool and somehow he still manages to fuck it up and she goes home because she "feels weird".

Yes, you're really horny and frustrated, but unfortunately, at this point in time, you're the proverbial guy who couldn't get laid in a whorehouse. You need to learn how people work in a very fundamental way.

In the meantime, may I suggest expensive prostitutes?

Post: #253

(11-03-2018 04:52 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  It does sound kind of demoralizing when you say the process will take years; I'm at my 3rd nightclub fight/near fight in the past 30 days, i dont really have years; i need a way to learn to control myself and walk away in these situations i find myself in.

Yes, well, stop going to nightclubs for a while anyway. What are you getting out of it? Just more sexual frustration.

(11-03-2018 04:52 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  you seem to know a lot about the mind and stuff like this; what are your thoughts on mindfulness training for someone like me; should i go back to testing float tanks?

Whatever works for you - great. But most of this stuff is bullshit. Psychoanalysis is the only stuff I believe in because there's a 100 year body of literature, peer review and aggressive debate behind it. The problem with it is that it's out of the reach of most people financially. This is one of the best ways that you can leverage your income.

Feeling demoralized? Yeah, that's fucking life man. Most things worth a damn take time. It WILL help you, however, eventually.

Post: #254

(11-03-2018 10:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  When I have time I’ll write a bottle service tutorial. At least how I’ve done it and would do it with that amount of resources.

He def needs to educate himself. I’ve gotten countless bangs and a threesome using the bottle service method.

Totally thread worthy

Post: #255

(11-03-2018 01:22 PM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  

(11-03-2018 04:34 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I've just returned from testing bottle service for the first time ever.
....
anyways, i tried it and massive failure.

You looked like a fucking weirdo up there all alone.

You're inability to understand how strange and off-putting your behavior was indicates that you really need to accept that club game and trying to bang 8-10s is probably WAYYY too advanced for you at this point. You need to step back and focus on being able to simply develop relationships with other people.

I know/knew a guy, SUPER rich - made something like $100-200mm through a series of tech companies he'd worked for. Owned a ~$20mm house in Malibu with a pool that overlooks the ocean. He's actually very fit and healthy in his early-50s. Motherfucker pulls back to his place some Asian chick in her 20s. She's naked in his pool and somehow he still manages to fuck it up and she goes home because she "feels weird".

Yes, you're really horny and frustrated, but unfortunately, at this point in time, you're the proverbial guy who couldn't get laid in a whorehouse. You need to learn how people work in a very fundamental way.

In the meantime, may I suggest expensive prostitutes?

no this is incorrect.

Please keep in mind the goal of this thread.

my only goal is to find a way to fuck 2-4 legit 9s and 10s (instagram model hot) chicks per month.

That is what I want.

I CAN get 6s and 7s consistently with cold approach in nightclubs.

You seem to think I get no girls at all.

I'm trying to get the HOTTEST girls NOT get girls in general.

I'm going out in a few hours and will do my usual solo cold approach and there's a good chance I'll take some 7 home tonight; thats not the issue.

I know if i approach 10-20 girls in a night I will almost certainly find one 6 or 7 willing to fuck.

I'm trying to create a system to consistently fuck 9s and 10s.

regarding "looking like a weirdo alone in my vip section"

Thinking back about last night that does not sound right; thats not what happened.

Girls where showing interest; like girls would come and dance directly in front of me and some would stare; there where definatelly signs of interest.

And there are the same signs of interest i look for when cold approaching but I was not sure what to do from my table in that situation.

Should i have waved over the girls staring?

Should i have stood up and walked up to them and then just did what I usually do when i cold approach?

Also, if i need to do then whats the point of the table; i thought table = girls come to you.

I had girls showing interest but none actually came into my area.

and if i need to leave my area to go talk to the girls showing interest then what is the point of getting the table.

finally, it seems super weird to me that you compare me to someone who is old enough to be my dad; just seems odd to me that your mind made that connection with 2 people who are at such drastically different points of their lives.

Post: #256

(11-03-2018 01:29 PM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  

(11-03-2018 04:52 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  It does sound kind of demoralizing when you say the process will take years; I'm at my 3rd nightclub fight/near fight in the past 30 days, i dont really have years; i need a way to learn to control myself and walk away in these situations i find myself in.

Yes, well, stop going to nightclubs for a while anyway. What are you getting out of it? Just more sexual frustration.

(11-03-2018 04:52 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  you seem to know a lot about the mind and stuff like this; what are your thoughts on mindfulness training for someone like me; should i go back to testing float tanks?

Whatever works for you - great. But most of this stuff is bullshit. Psychoanalysis is the only stuff I believe in because there's a 100 year body of literature, peer review and aggressive debate behind it. The problem with it is that it's out of the reach of most people financially. This is one of the best ways that you can leverage your income.

Feeling demoralized? Yeah, that's fucking life man. Most things worth a damn take time. It WILL help you, however, eventually.

wow thats a great point you mention about the body of actual scientific literature out there for psychoanalysis. That made me realize all this meditation stuff is relatively new technology so thats a good point.

Post: #257

(11-03-2018 10:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  When I have time I’ll write a bottle service tutorial. At least how I’ve done it and would do it with that amount of resources.

He def needs to educate himself. I’ve gotten countless bangs and a threesome using the bottle service method.

what is your definition of countless bangs?

how many girls per month?

over what period of time?

how much did you spend on bottles during this period of time?

what was your cost per notch with this bottle service method?

and being brutally honest how hot where the girls on average?

Post: #258

(11-03-2018 07:42 PM)TheScientist Wrote:  You seem to think I get no girls at all.

I'm trying to get the HOTTEST girls NOT get girls in general.

Yes, and what I'm trying to say is that you're playing a totally different game if what you want to do is regularly fuck the hottest girls at the peak of their attractiveness. Your girls who are closer to the average are a very different quarry and will be MUCH more tolerant of your socially awkward ways. And you're probably less socially awkward around them because you don't really give a fuck when you're dealing with them. Part of being attractive to the hottest is keeping your cool.

I'm assuming you're pretty good looking and a 6 will be real easy on a guy who's an 8+ who approaches them in a club. A 9+ usually has a gauntlet of sycophants surrounding them in a club. A 9+almost always has a high status boyfriend.

What you're looking to land are girls who are almost exclusively laid through social circle game. They aren't easily seduced because they know their value and they've had tons and tons of guys trying to fuck them since they were 13. They get told about their value all day long. And part of being a 9 or 10 is also reputation management, so they're not going to be seen just accepting cold approaches in a club.

Post: #259

“What was your cost per notch with this bottle service method?”

This quote literally embodies everything that is wrong with your approach to things.

Many people, including myself, have tried really hard to help you out by taking their time to write long responses with detailed actionable advice. Asking questions like this is an insult.

If you want to lower your “cost per notch”, forget clubs. Just stick with Tinder and invite girls to your spot and give them tap water instead of booze. $0.00 cost per notch.

Good luck ever fucking 9s and 10s with this approach.

Post: #260

Seriously, why do you guys bother with this fool? If he doesn't get it at page 11. He never will.

I seriously hope you're a troll at this point. Nobody should be this dense.

People are giving him great advice, he ignores such advice and come back with the most silly-ass questions and comments.

Lot's of great advice in this thread. I hope a lot of more deserving guys can get something out of it.

Post: #261

(11-03-2018 08:31 PM)Stickman Wrote:  Seriously, why do you guys bother with this fool? If he doesn't get it at page 11. He never will.

It's hard to tell. Trolling has evolved into a fine art with true prodigies and grand masters....

Post: #262

The fact that he’s questioning me so hard on what I just said just shows that he doesn’t respect or understand what people are here are saying. Like Im just here running my mouth and have no idea what I’m talking about.

Setting up you up for questions with .2 decimal of accuracy to say ha! You see you got a 8.6 and not a 9. I only want 9s so you have no idea what you are talking about here.

I was gonna post my data on how to get this done but it’s just a waste of time.

Unsubscribing and would like the OP banned for trolling if possible.

Post: #263

(11-03-2018 01:22 PM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  

(11-03-2018 04:34 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I've just returned from testing bottle service for the first time ever.
....
anyways, i tried it and massive failure.

You looked like a fucking weirdo up there all alone.

You're inability to understand how strange and off-putting your behavior was indicates that you really need to accept that club game and trying to bang 8-10s is probably WAYYY too advanced for you at this point. You need to step back and focus on being able to simply develop relationships with other people.

I know/knew a guy, SUPER rich - made something like $100-200mm through a series of tech companies he'd worked for. Owned a ~$20mm house in Malibu with a pool that overlooks the ocean. He's actually very fit and healthy in his early-50s. Motherfucker pulls back to his place some Asian chick in her 20s. She's naked in his pool and somehow he still manages to fuck it up and she goes home because she "feels weird".

Yes, you're really horny and frustrated, but unfortunately, at this point in time, you're the proverbial guy who couldn't get laid in a whorehouse. You need to learn how people work in a very fundamental way.

In the meantime, may I suggest expensive prostitutes?

This is a good point. While I'm generally not into the bottle service scene (and its associated costs), I understand that there is a time & place for everything. For those fellas ready to celebrate & throw down it is about showing appreciation to your crew or your team (at least whoever is with you there that night). The value of bottle service is vastly diminished if you're rolling solo dolo (as you alluded to in your post). Sure, some bottle leeches may take advantage of the situation, but a guy in the OP's situation (if it is legit) might be able to pull some chicks in this situation if he's rolling with the right crew & not giving out an off-putting vibe (giving off a fun, celebratory, generous vibe is the key).

Post: #264

update.

I guess i should clarify something.

I tested bottle service on Friday just for fun and out for curiosity.

It's NOT an angle I'm considering to achieve my goal.

Even if bottle service had worked and had resulted in me fucking a 10 last night; i still would NOT have repeated getting bottle service.

Given the cost even if it works its basically very expensive p4p.

The only way bottle service makes sense to me as a consistent approach is if someone else pays for it; otherwise i dont see how it's different from p4p even if it gets you laid.

Post: #265

Is there a way to request a user be banned for wasting everyone's time? Anyone know?

I have someone in mind.

Post: #266

(11-04-2018 06:06 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I guess i should clarify something.

I tested bottle service on Friday just for fun and out for curiosity.

It's NOT an angle I'm considering to achieve my goal.

Even if bottle service had worked and had resulted in me fucking a 10 last night; i still would NOT have repeated getting bottle service.

Given the cost even if it works its basically very expensive p4p.

The only way bottle service makes sense to me as a consistent approach is if someone else pays for it; otherwise i dont see how it's different from p4p even if it gets you laid.

So if a girl who likes you buys you a shot in the club and you eventually go home with her you're a male prostitute? Just because spending some money incidentally helps increase your attractiveness or keeps the party going, it's virtually never going to be in itself sufficient to win an attractive girl over, so how does this equate to p4p? Where do you draw the line? If you buy her a water and you hook up it's p4p because you spent money on her? You seem to have a primitive and overly idealistic understanding of game and the social realm.

A system of getting 9s and 10s several times a month essentially doesn't exist at your level of game and social status. It's delusional that you think there's a cheap golden bullet to setup xyz system and then sit back and get better results than Jake Gyllenhaal. You completely missed Lance's point. If you are not cool and sociable you won't get the upper echelon of quality even if you have a gimmick or some really nice stuff.

The point is you really need to invest time improving your social skills. Why didn't you invite some friends to join you or invite people to join you while you were alone? If you don't have the social skill to get a few cool male friends to go out with you, or to win some strangers over while rolling solo it's very very unlikely you have the skills to get a 9 or 10 let alone several per month.

Post: #267

(11-04-2018 01:11 PM)jcardial Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 06:06 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I guess i should clarify something.

I tested bottle service on Friday just for fun and out for curiosity.

It's NOT an angle I'm considering to achieve my goal.

Even if bottle service had worked and had resulted in me fucking a 10 last night; i still would NOT have repeated getting bottle service.

Given the cost even if it works its basically very expensive p4p.

The only way bottle service makes sense to me as a consistent approach is if someone else pays for it; otherwise i dont see how it's different from p4p even if it gets you laid.

So if a girl who likes you buys you a shot in the club and you eventually go home with her you're a male prostitute? Just because spending some money incidentally helps increase your attractiveness or keeps the party going, it's virtually never going to be in itself sufficient to win an attractive girl over, so how does this equate to p4p? Where do you draw the line? If you buy her a water and you hook up it's p4p because you spent money on her? You seem to have a primitive and overly idealistic understanding of game and the social realm.

A system of getting 9s and 10s several times a month essentially doesn't exist at your level of game and social status. It's delusional that you think there's a cheap golden bullet to setup xyz system and then sit back and get better results than Jake Gyllenhaal. You completely missed Lance's point. If you are not cool and sociable you won't get the upper echelon of quality even if you have a gimmick or some really nice stuff.

The point is you really need to invest time improving your social skills. Why didn't you invite some friends to join you or invite people to join you while you were alone? If you don't have the social skill to get a few cool male friends to go out with you, or to win some strangers over while rolling solo it's very very unlikely you have the skills to get a 9 or 10 let alone several per month.

Incredible post. And whether or not the OP is being truthful I have to agree that money alone will never be enough to buy proper social status.

I'd suggest that the OP take a break from the nightlife scene & start building some other hobbies. Possibly some hobbies that will allow him to make friends. Could be sports leagues (ie. golfing, basketball, etc.), business networking / entrepreneur meetup groups, etc.

Post: #268

(11-04-2018 10:44 AM)corsega Wrote:  Is there a way to request a user be banned for wasting everyone's time? Anyone know?

I have someone in mind.

The report button

Post: #269

(11-04-2018 06:06 AM)TheScientist Wrote:  update.

I guess i should clarify something.

I tested bottle service on Friday just for fun and out for curiosity.

It's NOT an angle I'm considering to achieve my goal.

Even if bottle service had worked and had resulted in me fucking a 10 last night; i still would NOT have repeated getting bottle service.

Given the cost even if it works its basically very expensive p4p.

The only way bottle service makes sense to me as a consistent approach is if someone else pays for it; otherwise i dont see how it's different from p4p even if it gets you laid.

Can you explain to me how it is p4p? Was your degree p4p because some women want and an educated, successful guy? Is your suit p4p because it makes you look better to women"? How about your shoes?. Is the Tinder premium pervice P4P because it may help your odds?

Keep in mind that the ugliest son of a gun can walk into a whorehouse and get p4p, you would need to be a top 2%er to consistently get 8-9s even with the introduction you get from bottle service.

Post: #270

I've seen the light and am now firmly behind TheScientist.

All us posters don't get it, but how could we? We don't regularly bang 7s, make $40k a month and have a low cost per notch average.

Besides, we're all essentially johns engaging in P4P because we buy food and drinks for girls. I know I'll admit to this, because I recently bought a girl 2 tacos and a small fry from Jack N' Box the other night. It was straight P4P and it's not something I'm proud of.

So my goal over the next month is to go to clubs and completely buy out all the tables in the VIP section and just sit at a table for 3 hours not dancing, not moving, just sitting there motionless, with a blank, expression-less face kind of like Prince's face. I can even wear sunglasses for maximum effect.

And I would be flanked by my security detail who I pay to protect me from the inevitable fight that I'll get into because I have too many haters.

And my security detail will be thoroughly trained on how to spot 9s and 10s, not 7s or 8.6s mind you, but real scientifically and mathematically proven 9s and 10s.

And my security detail will be tasked to approach these 9s and 10s for me and tell them that they are welcome to join me at my table and can accompany me to an afterparty at their choice of 1 of my 2 centrally located apartments.

And they don't have to worry about transportation because my 2002 Hummer limo is parked outside and the driver is waiting for my call.

But the security detail will tell them that in order to join me at my table they would need to pay the costs of the table, roughly $1,250 each, and if they want alcohol at the afterparty then they would need to buy it, because I don't do P4P.

And I need to keep my cost-per-notch average down, I don't want it to get over $23.6735345.

So this is my plan to leverage $40,000 a month to fuck 9s and 10s while only spending an average of $23.67 to fuck them.

Please don't comment unless you can demonstrate you're fucking 9s and 10s and have a cost per notch average below $30. Thanks

Post: #271

bYE Bye PARGAN !!

Post: #272

Oh that idiot got banned already. Too bad, i was looking forward to reading his "how to make 40K per month on Amazon" datasheet.

Post: #273

Money is just an amplifier with social status and non P4P girls.

A million x zero = zero.

There's been a lot of thought provoking analysis in this thread. I don't have much money, but I'm getting better at leveraging my current resources/advantages. This maximizes the success I can attain in my current situation. And if I do become rich, I can leverage that as well.

Building the lifestyle and branding yourself effectively can generate opportunities. For each individual opportunity, social skills are needed to cash in.

Post: #274

There's currently a similar thread in the "Life" section:

/thread-71184...80949.html

Wrote a decently long post for it and realized I should probably add it here too:

To put in my 2 cents, my view on money is thus:

- Think in terms of orders of magnitude (speaking in terms of a USA perspective)
- Usual salary is 5 - 10K per month.
- Next order of magnitude is 10X greater, AKA 50K - 100K per month
- After that, 500K - 1M per month

At each order of magnitude, new lifestyle possibilities open up to you. However, in the "in-betweens", it's best just to save the excess rather than trying to attain elements of the lifestyle of the level above.

For example, take 20K. That's 2-4x the usual person's salary. In that case, whatever I was spending as a normal person (in my case about 3K per month), I'd double that. So now I have a 6K budget for my daily life spending. Basically do what you usually do, but for various small stuff, just don't sweat it.

For example: Order an entire bottle of wine on a date instead of glasses (== girl is more likely to be tipsy). Randomly pay for your entire friend groups dinner one night, just for fun. Sign up for the closest, best gym, rather than one that's a good deal but makes you sit in traffic for 30 minutes each way. Again, all small stuff, but when added up might double your monthly spend from 3K to 6K (letting you still save 14K per month).

However ... At 50K - 100K per month, I think there is a major shift (10x usual salary). At that level, I'd recommend establishing yourself in your city as a baller.

Things like:

- Renting an ostentatious penthouse (most expensive unit in the most famous building in the city)
- Buying a supercar to drive around
- Hosting nightlife events / parties
- Starting a business getting you in contact w/ attractive women (modeling agency, bar, club, events company like above, charity that throws fundraising events)
- Hiring live-in staff to take care of your lifestyle overhead
- Systematically & proactively reach out to other famous and wealthy people in your city to establish an elite friend group

Next starting at 500K - 1M per month (and going as high as 5M - 10M per month), take some pages out of the infamous Jho Low's playbook (main guy in 1MDB scandal, who funded the Wolf of Wall Street movie and integrated into Hollywood social circles):

https://nypost.com/2018/09/15/i-own-you-...ower-play/

https://www.amazon.com/Billion-Dollar-Wh...031643650X

- Give famous people (+100K to +1M) gifts to gain favor with them
- Buy your way into the most exclusive and high end events
- Buy a yacht and host parties, invite IG models to travel w/ you on it
- Buy a private jet and invite IG models to travel with you
- Buy multiple citizenships
- Take up rich persons hobbies for networking
- Get buildings named after you (imagine day gaming at a college campus at your own building )
- Hire the best people as your personal assistants (think 200-500K annual salary for someone incredibly top notch at their field)
- At this level and above, your creativity is almost the only limit, so I am leaving out a ton of other stuff...

Post: #275

OP's probably an undersocialized trust fund kid with too much time on his hands, not some amazon guru.