Post: #201

I bumped the thread to see if anyone had any input relating to the thread title, didnt mean to start another height debate guys.

Post: #202

You know, this thread has hit me in a strange way. I used to not be good looking. Yet I had a strange desire to spread my seed far and wide. How do I get laid more?

When I was younger, I used to not consider myself attractive. I never got any attention from decent looking women, men would ignore me, and I was stuck in 4-5 hell. I actually laid a girl who was a solid 9 at a different school. She had a baby and was probably loose in the head, but I didn't care. Chick was by far the hottest and still is the hottest girl I've ever been with. She wanted to date me REALLY bad, but I said no. She was my first taste of real success.

I went off to college. I got a few notches, but nothing notable. However...

I started working on my wardrobe and sure enough I started moving into 5-6 territory with the occasional 7.

Wow! This wasn't that bad. I floated along here for awhile and was pleasantly happy with my results. Eventually, I landed a 7 who was more interested in control than dating a guy higher up on the food chain.

At this time, according to the slotty 7 I was with, I was a six at best. Ouch.... she "liked" my personality so it made me a 7.5.

I didn't like this, so I hit the gym in all of the wrong ways and got super skinny with very little muscle mass. I didn't ask the right questions regarding diet and training. However, I started getting high quality poon 7s and 8s simply because of being mad cut (think tyler durden).

Wow! I cheated on the slotty 7 quite a bit. Who cares, at this point her control over me started to wain because rut ro! i was getting more attractive.

Graduation comes and we split apart. I move to a new city and guess what? I'm back to square one. The game I learned in college did not seem to work in my new town. Looks like I never really got anywhere...

I eventually got back with the slotty 7. I wasn't having any success. The weird thing is, when I would come back to my old college town to see her I would get MASSIVE hits from hot college girls. It was completely strange. I couldn't figure it out Yet I wasn't getting anywhere in my big city. We eventually move in together.

Then, I started doing some real research for mass gaining. I put on some solid muscle mass and filled out. I got stronger, more muscle, and bigger. My face showed the results. Instantly, I started getting chicks talking to me ON THE STREET and on the subway. Girls that were interested in me, didn't find me weird, and above all were genuinely nice to me. Then, I got a new wardrobe. We're talking G Manifesto style blazers, shoes, slacks, jeans, and the like.

My coworker said it best, "Frenchie, when I first met you you were cute. Now you're hot."

I'm macking on girls in the 7-8 range now. SCORE! Without any bitch shields. They're genuinely interested in talking to me. In fact, I find it strange that people complain on this forum about american women. They tend to be pretty damn nice to me and above all act like women. The slotty 7 I mentioned is the exception. She was all about control and the masculine qualities that came with it.

However, I still feel incomplete. In fact, I want to keep learning. Get a new language under my belt, maybe a master's degree from a real respected university (not the shitty private college i went to), and try and get more bank roll.

The moral of the story is: Your masculinity ie the essence that draws women to you is fleeting. You will never attain it. It's a dragon that you will continue to chase as you amass more power, lessons, money, and women.

The more you chase that dragon, the more trappings of power you will get.

And consequently, to answer the multifaceted question in the beginning of my post: you will have more reproductive worth to the opposite sex.

Post: #203

Surprisingly, no. The free pass for being a jerk/assertive is non-existant. Emphasizing the characteristics associated with said ways will earn nothing short of intimidation or conversational decline. Fucked up, in hindsight.

Post: #204

Any advantages to being ugly?

Post: #205

(11-13-2014 09:13 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Any advantages to being ugly?

Peace and quiet.

Post: #206

I used to sooth myself with the idea that since I'm not as good looking, I have to work harder than the pretty boy and thus my game will be better.

Now that I have a wing who looks like Ryan Gosling, I realize it's just mental masturbating. Assuming everything else equal (which my wing and I are), the good looking guy has so many advantages and none of the disadvantages.

-Confidence born out of natural self-love. Also high sense of self-entitlement ==>Automatic solid inner game.
-Automatic DHV every fucking where he goes.
-Get more exposure to girls and get flirted with more often, therefore more experience. Since he's a smart guy, he's very good at filtering out the good information.
-Easier access to 9s and 9.5s
-Can do side jobs that we can't: modelling, acting, high-end servers etc.
-Get paid more. Statistically speaking.

No point in looking at their disadvantages. It's like saying "aint easy to be rich/have girls pawning over you". That's bullshit and you want to punch the guy who actually means it. As men we focus on ourselves and the best version we can be.

Post: #207

After reading this thread, a lot of links within, as well as wrapping up "How to Win Friends and Influence People" I had a suspicion.

Did some field studies, paying real close attention to the girls perceived value and their reactions to my game, as well as my past experience this year, I can only come to one conclusion: I'm good looking, have been overgaming, and have been aiming way too low, which causes incongruence in the girls perception of me. I've gotta be about an 8.

Post: #208

(11-13-2014 04:24 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Now that I have a wing who looks like Ryan Gosling, I realize it's just mental masturbating. Assuming everything else equal (which my wing and I are), the good looking guy has so many advantages and none of the disadvantages.

You should consider not winging with someone that good looking. It could actually hurt your game in the long run because he's drawing all the pussy attention and you're getting the grenade fragments. Some people may disagree but I find that it's better to wing with a guy who has similar level of attractiveness and maybe even of the same race in most situations.

Post: #209

No disrespect, but can I ask what your philosophy is regarding that strategy?

Post: #210

^^
I was the minority in one of my groups and when we went out I would get more looks/girls seemed more interested from the jump.

They would see me with mexicans and black dudes and wonder what was up.

Comparing that to when I went out with a white friend or two, things were completely different.

Post: #211

Yeah definitely seeing some of the things reported by guys in this thread, less attractive girls can be really hostile for no reason. I have never been approached but definitely lots of girls hovering around and trying to get me to notice them. I really need to move to an area with better looking girls. I was blown away by NYC in that respect.

Post: #212

Usually it is harder for a good looking guy to learn game (unless he's a natural). You get to fuck up a lot and still get laid. There's little motivation to get good.

Plus you'll probably have gotten laid a lot in your teens and college. So you're likely not a hard case willing to devote time away from your adult endeavors to learn game beyond meet, attract, seduce, fuck. Maybe you just get sick of relationships and want some variety.

Even then you'll continue to get easy and steady layups from Tinder (or a niche) that require zero effort.

You become lazy about everything. Like learning languages, because a decently attractive girl will always present herself and do the translating for you. Why bother?

The list goes on. These aren't really negatives because you'll lay girls that most other guys had to work hard for. But at the same time you'll miss out on the higher quality girls you could get if you put in the work.

It will also effect your relationship with guys. "Hey guapo you need to help us!" Meanwhile your thinking meh. Just waiting for isolation or bouncing around trying to collect as many leads as possible or look for the hottest possible girl before you commit.

This happens to every player but another problem that probably happens earlier for a handsome man is that makeouts do nothing for you. Even kissing a hot girl stops exciting you. You become autistic and have to learn to read the girls reaction to see how hot and heavy things are getting because you don't really feel anything. Short of pee pee in vagina everything just feels like work.

Post: #213

The reality for good looking guys in the west is definitely much better than the average and far better than the ugly guy.

Good looking guys get airplane guide in lays where they can fuck up on so many occasions but still get the lay, where an average guy will lose it. Young high school girls look at the "hot" guys and decide very superficially. Childhood and teenage years are key development periods for guys in terms of how they will view themselves and their interactions with women in the future. Identifying as a "hot guy" that the girls want to fuck is absolutely huge, the antithesis of this being the ugly skinny nerd getting bullied, being a virgin into late 20s, and trying to dig yourself out of that giant hole. Good looking guys can continue this path and get lays from bars, clubs and online with 5s and 6s that keep them content. Sure they could do better if they tried, but there is never really that overwhelming thirst that comes from long periods of involuntary celibacy or being a nerd/ugly in high school late bloomer that drives other men who aren't as fortunate in the looks department and didn't get much if anything in their highschool (and even college) years.

Being good looking and muscular conveys instantly masculine characteristics at once. It therefore draws in more women quickly. You can do better than good looking, muscular guys but in quick fire, superficial environments (online, bars and clubs) the odds are against you since you have less time to use "game" or convey your attractive characteristics.

It's not all good though. Because the good looking guy has never had to work really hard for his lays, he doesn't have the drive to improve as much as the average guy has. He also usually finds it hard to explain exactly "how" he does it, so if he wanted to improve his quality, he would probably still have to study game and take a lot of steps backwards before improving. I find a lot of ugly/average girls reject good looking guys for the ego boost, while the rest of them throw themselves at good looking guys for the same reasons. "I rejected" Chad vs "I pulled" Chad aren't so different for a girl these days, it's both for validation i.e. "I did X therefore it is impossible for me to be so ugly". When you get to higher quality girls, though, sometimes good looks and muscles gets you an "in", other times the guy is fucked because he actually needs to step up his game to get her, but he has never learned how as he has been always coasting by.

Highly famous, extremely rich guys aside, I find the guys who get the best results in quantity and quality are those who have a burning passion to get laid, average looks, good style and diligent study and improvement of game. Then they find their niche and repeat, repeat, repeat until their process is so streamlined and efficient it makes it look unbelievably easy. Good looking guys can be among the best, but they have to work harder for the higher quality and they often don't have the motivation or ability to learn game as an art in that sense.

Going to a club next to a supremely good looking guy is obviously going to throw some home truths at you if you're just average looking. At the same time, it's only one side of the coin.

Post: #214

Good looks+Poor game=Poor results.

Average looks+good game=Good results.

Good looks+average game=Great results

Average looks+average game=poor results

Average looks+Great game=great results

Post: #215

I think the biggest disadvantage is just not having to have to work for it. I had a couple buddies in college who were south side guys, ie south side of Chicago. Very blue collar, not really into style or fashion and not the best looking guys. They did pretty well with women though and all had amazing personalities just really upbeat positive funny guys and very charismatic. They would often joke with some of our more classicallly good looking friends they actually had to work for it and honestly they did better than a lot of guys who were more attractive than them.

Post: #216

(07-31-2017 12:23 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  I think the biggest disadvantage is just not having to have to work for it. I had a couple buddies in college who were south side guys, ie south side of Chicago. Very blue collar, not really into style or fashion and not the best looking guys. They did pretty well with women though and all had amazing personalities just really upbeat positive funny guys and very charismatic. They would often joke with some of our more classicallly good looking friends they actually had to work for it and honestly they did better than a lot of guys who were more attractive than them.

Blue collar guys could clean up if they owned their blue collar.
I grew up in a blue collar family. Most white collars are very preoccupied with frivolous shit like cars and stocks.
They completely neglect delivering what women want.
Most blue collars, and I'm talking Professional Blue Collar guys are very good with women no matter their looks and
I would put my money on them more than any white collar Beemer driving Broker of Insurance, Stocks or Bonds.

There are TONS of Attractive Women who just go Crazy for a Blue Collar dude. Just too many of them dick around in Laborer gigs and Unemployment.

I find that the very good looking guys especially the high income ones are just as insecure as the very attractive women.

Post: #217

Being bad wingmen because they inadvertently swoop the girls they are tryna set their boys(s) up with.

Giving bad pickup advice like "Just be yourself bro" because almost no game is actually required of them to get girls.

Post: #218

(07-31-2017 12:57 PM)crdr Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 12:23 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  I think the biggest disadvantage is just not having to have to work for it. I had a couple buddies in college who were south side guys, ie south side of Chicago. Very blue collar, not really into style or fashion and not the best looking guys. They did pretty well with women though and all had amazing personalities just really upbeat positive funny guys and very charismatic. They would often joke with some of our more classicallly good looking friends they actually had to work for it and honestly they did better than a lot of guys who were more attractive than them.

Blue collar guys could clean up if they owned their blue collar.
I grew up in a blue collar family. Most white collars are very preoccupied with frivolous shit like cars and stocks.
They completely neglect delivering what women want.
Most blue collars, and I'm talking Professional Blue Collar guys are very good with women no matter their looks and
I would put my money on them more than any white collar Beemer driving Broker of Insurance, Stocks or Bonds.

There are TONS of Attractive Women who just go Crazy for a Blue Collar dude. Just too many of them dick around in Laborer gigs and Unemployment.

I find that the very good looking guys especially the high income ones are just as insecure as the very attractive women.

This is true in the UK. Many have great banter that women love, whereas career men tend to be a bit stifled and stiff (talking in generalities of course).

Post: #219

The post jumped from 2014 to 2017. Sorry for not contributing, I'm ugly.

Post: #220

(11-13-2014 09:18 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 04:24 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Now that I have a wing who looks like Ryan Gosling, I realize it's just mental masturbating. Assuming everything else equal (which my wing and I are), the good looking guy has so many advantages and none of the disadvantages.

You should consider not winging with someone that good looking. It could actually hurt your game in the long run because he's drawing all the pussy attention and you're getting the grenade fragments. Some people may disagree but I find that it's better to wing with a guy who has similar level of attractiveness and maybe even of the same race in most situations.

Not necessarily, polarisation is your friend.

Girls have strong positive/negative opinions on French guys, Vietnamese/Asians, and exotic guys in general, those going for his wing might never have went for him, and those girls who like his type, would prefer him, regardless of his relative looks.

Post: #221

I have an exotic look where I'm a hit with certain girls and have been approached by some really drunk hot chicks that were separated momentarily from their friends. Other girls just find me meh.

So from the girls that really like my look I've only noticed one true disadvantage. And that's after fucking them. When you open up a bit and drop the deadpan asshole vibe a bit to level or hit a hard time and need a bit of emotional attention, they leave you as if they've seen a monster.

Maybe that's a bad game kind of thing though or our culture is that fucked.

Post: #222

I think wings should be near same height. I think the looks / game combo has to add up roughly the same as well.

I have had several good looking wings better looking than me. These guys usually have been some of the best looking in the venues we go to so they get more looks than me. I get some, not like them though.

The biggest factor of success is using the power of your wing to approach girls in groups.

Wings tend to have more fun and wing more often if they both agree to make being at a venue with many sets that have 2+ attractive women so that neither wing feels cheated. Also the better looking wing doesn't have to be afraid of stealing the spotlight too much if their wing started the approach...

I will say that every time I have winged a better looking guy than me when we both pulled from the same set of girls he always got the better looking girl. These guys also had better game than me, some of the highest I've ever seen.

I have never winged a better looking guy than me that didn't have endless reference points in their past to pull confidence from. They just expected to hook up and when they got blue balled they still loved the chase so much it didn't matter.

They pretty much felt the same way I felt about being in Colombia since puberty, because everyday wherever they go has been Colombia their entire life. Get nothing one night? Fuck it, it's raining pussy AD all day.

Post: #223

(07-31-2017 01:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Being bad wingmen because they inadvertently swoop the girls they are tryna set their boys(s) up with.

Giving bad pickup advice like "Just be yourself bro" because almost no game is actually required of them to get girls.

This 100x.

I actually laughed when I saw this thread title and was surprised it wasn't a troll thread that wasn't locked yet.

Post: #224

(10-04-2011 12:28 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  I'm 6'3 and have a mix of Mediterranean and Northern European features. I would rather look like I do than be 5'5 and Asian.

I'm 5'7 and Asian, and can vouch for the pack that most asian themselves are not very confident of their own frame that thy have but you can't fight genetics.

Post: #225

This thread is pointless. Just like most people are not interested in hearing rich people talk about "the disadvantages of being rich" nobody is interested in hearing good looking guys talk about "the disadvantages of being good looking".

If you are good looking just shut up and thank your lucky stars and stop being a spoiled whiny brat. Some people have real problems in life. If the good looking guys had to deal with the problems average looking guys have to deal with they would never dare to complain.