Post: #226

Already been said

Post: #227

(10-03-2011 12:50 AM)Screwston Wrote:  Do y'all think there are disadvantages in this game if you're above average in looks? I can't find the thread but I know Mixx spoke on this once.

Its better to be good looking than not.
However, there is a frustrating aspect.

And thats the fact your looks won't automatically transfer across to the reciprocal female.
What I mean is, if you are a 9,10 or whatever, you won't naturally get 9s or 10s.

Reason? Women see attractiveness far, FAR differently.
I'd happily slam a superhot bitch, provided she isn't a complete cunt.

But women consider looks, humour, "personality", social circle, prestige, wealth, athletic abilities, a fun/wide social network and many different things. There's no real definition of looks anyway. Muscular? Boyband type? Intellectual? Distinguished? Surfer type? The list of "types of good looking male" are almost endless.

A 9 bitch can fairly easily get a 9 man. But a 9 man may find getting the 9 biaatch harder (assuming parity in other areas). In some places, maybe even FAR harder.

PS a hot girl can get laid REALLY easily. A good looking guy generally won't have hot women doing all the work chatting him up.
In "meat market" type clubs eg student clubs he might get away with poor game. But there's likely to come a point where he finds he's struggling. Thats especially true if he has high minimum standards. High appearance guys often have poor game, even tho some might think looks will increase game ability.

Post: #228

Good looking guys get more shit tests from girls with lesser looks. It can also make LTRs more difficult because of too many options.

Post: #229

(08-06-2017 09:22 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  Good looking guys get more shit tests from girls with lesser looks.

You just get more shit tests because you are meeting 3x times as many women as ugly dudes.

Post: #230

Someone please post "Disadvantages of being rich" thread in lifestyle forum

Post: #231

There are only two disadvantages I can think of:

1) High expectations towards girls - An guy who's a 5 will be happy to land a 6, but a guy who's a 9 will be looking for a 9 or preferably that rare unicorn - a 10, and those don't grow on trees.

2) High expectations from girls - Girls expect thre content to match the package, so if you¡re a 9, you better be witty, intelligent, confident rich and basically superhuman in order to match the idealized image in their heads; otherwise they'll be disappointed.

Post: #232

You're used to girls approaching you/making it easy when you're young and in great shape despite barely working out and eating like shit, and thinking it's always like that, so you don't develop your game, and go through a long ass dry spell, and pathetically go back to ex-gf's and fuck hookers because you can't get the hotties and nymphos you got when you were younger.

This is what happened to me. Basically what other guys have said, if you never see a need to improve your game / learn advanced game, a lot of men, myself included, won't bother. And as "The Stronger Sex" says, 1 and 2 are both true in my experience as well. Oh well, live and learn. I'm slowly getting myself back into hunting mode and working nonstop on my fitness/training.

Post: #233

Agreed with the above.

Only disadvantage is if you rely too much on good looks, you'll pay for it later in life when it inevitably fades away and you didn't put in your work in the game.

Whereas the average guy who put in the work can get consistent results even later on in life.

A good looking player who puts in the work will be a legit threat throughout his years.

Post: #234

(08-12-2017 04:35 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  There are only two disadvantages I can think of:

1) High expectations towards girls - An guy who's a 5 will be happy to land a 6, but a guy who's a 9 will be looking for a 9 or preferably that rare unicorn - a 10, and those don't grow on trees.

2) High expectations from girls - Girls expect thre content to match the package, so if you¡re a 9, you better be witty, intelligent, confident rich and basically superhuman in order to match the idealized image in their heads; otherwise they'll be disappointed.

+1 although I have seen many handsome guys in the anglosphere walking around with below average women. Your expectations can vary based on education, experience outside your own country, social circle etc.

Post: #235

One disadvantage of being handsome is that of ugly women throwing themselves at you.

Post: #236

(10-04-2011 08:34 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  You have to apply game differently than how it's presented for the masses. If you have looks, less is more. If you're a guy who's a 9, you're already conveying high value and superiority from your physical looks. If you choose to double up on that with cocky funny, youll come across as a raging douchebag that will turn off many prospects and make every guy hate you.

Self deprecating humor and general humility works great. Also, you need a different way of perceiving female behavior -- they'll insult you crudely to take you down a peg and feign disinterest to preserve their ego. Countless approaches will seem cold and on the verge of dying, when the girl is just intimidated by you. Gotta press on and focus on rapport building. Contrast game with a tasteful, modest intellectual tinge to your conversations works nicely, as many think hot dudes are dumb.

When the above says less is more, what kind of material can one use to approach? I mean even though the guy might be very good looking, he still needs to say something to her for atleast the first few minutes before she starts opening up. Situational openers can work but they can get boring fast. But other more interesting push-pull techniques seem too risky in this case.

Also, what exactly is meant by cocky - funny? Would disqualifying her be considered cocky-funny? An example is when the girl guesses from 1-4, a number. The guy later reveals that the number she guesses is what 90% of people would guess, implying that she is not special. Would this be too harsh of a put down in this situation?
This routine was from Mystery but the intention of this is not to promote any particular PUA material.

Will be interesting to hear how guys in this situation do.

Post: #237

(10-01-2017 09:12 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(10-04-2011 08:34 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  Thread Necromancer over here.

When the above says less is more, what kind of material can one use to approach? I mean even though the guy might be very good looking, he still needs to say something to her for atleast the first few minutes before she starts opening up. Situational openers can work but they can get boring fast. But other more interesting push-pull techniques seem too risky in this case.

Also, what exactly is meant by cocky - funny? Would disqualifying her be considered cocky-funny? An example is when the girl guesses from 1-4, a number. The guy later reveals that the number she guesses is what 90% of people would guess, implying that she is not special. Would this be too harsh of a put down in this situation?
This routine was from Mystery but the intention of this is not to promote any particular PUA material.

Will be interesting to hear how guys in this situation do.

Irrelevant.

Period.

If you follow Rules 1 and 2:
1 Be attractive
2 Don't be not attractive

your life gets easier.

If you train and sculpt your body to YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 1% of men, End of story.
(You think I'm joking, but that's because 99% of men like to circle jerk about looks as an excuse to not reach their full potential. . .don't be one of those and you'll reach the promised land.)
This shouldn't have even been a thread to be honest, and certainly didn't need to be necro'd(I know you probably missed it but I'm getting at something here)

Let me reiterate: If you train and sculpt your body to YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 1% of men, game over.

If you train and sculpt your body to 90% of YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 5% of men,

If you train and sculpt your body to 80% YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 15% of men,

Do you see what I'm getting at. the top 10% of men is good looking. Your mission is to get there, Sure game can help you, ask Giovanni, but he also spent time training to the utmost of his genetic limit.

. . .and game got much easier for him. Same for others.

If you are not training to do this, then you are wrong, The end, game over, do not pass go, do not collect $200, in fact, go straight to jail.

There are no "disadvantages", to being in the top 10-15% of men. NONE. Applying game becomes that much easier. The creating of this thread was an attempt to argue for the OP's laziness. We don't do this here anymore. Life for a man is HARD, As a man, you have to fight against nature constantly. You have to keep watch, take care of yourself and IMPROVE. Arguing about the "disadvantages" of a man who has improved his body - one part of his life, but a part of his life that will make improving everything else orders of magnitude easier is not something you should be doing, it's a waste of time that you should be using. . .scultping your body to follow Rules 1 and 2.

Game is what keeps you in control of the women that are going to chase you endlessly once you do this. (and get the higher quality women that now are receptive to you) For many higher quality women, following rules 1 and 2 is JUST THE START, without it you don't even get to attend the stadium to watch, much less join the game.(these are for the 9's) and if you happen to luck up on some 9 pussy(HIGHLY rare, to the point that most people who say that are certainly lying), then it's certainly not going to happen with the regularity and consistency that you'd want.

So no, stop making excuses(reading and commenting in this thread) and get to work.

There is a treasure trove of information here at your fingertips, that will show you the way.

Good luck,
GodSpeed.

Post: #238

I have worked out all my life. I'm from Canada where it's fairly cold most of the year. Sculpting my body means I look great in a parka! But seriously, yeah I look good in a suit or golf shirt...so what

In my early 20's my looks/ego matched perfectly with 20 yr old girls looks/ego...I had no problem sticking with that age group into my 30's. Why? because the older a chick gets the uglier SHE see's herself

A chick approaching her 30's or in it ...is looking at a few options ...cat lady...lesbian....kids and if it's kids she needs a guy thats "controllable" that won't outshine her and her terrible feelings about her fat ass. So yes goodlooking guys get labelled a player and go through a dry spell
Which is great! For 2 main reasons 95% of marriages fail because peeps get into them for the wrong reasons (she settled for the dog faced boy is one) and 2 the attractive guy was too risky for her ....attractive guy dodged a bullet

It's only a curse being an attractive guy if his path in life is to follow cultural norms....there is no normal now in todays world.
The newest normal (or always has been) is the Cloonies...Pitts...Cruises of this world making decisions later in life (some bad decisions)...regardless a man that can maintian attractiveness (and mental health) can reap benefits later and later in life.. from reaching back to get a uterus to travel to making a ton of money to picking a classy educated grounded mentally stable non materialistic non bitch life partner.

So I'm off to the gym here in the Ukraine ...7 degrees Celsius (46 degrees F)...middleaged 6pk abs under 3 layers of clothing....but it's good for yeah....plus gyms full of some real eye popper chicks for this ol dawg

Post: #239

This thread is sort of dumb...what does a "good looking" guy mean anyway?

It sounds like women talking.

Being "good looking" is what women do.

Men really shouldn't give a fuck about being "good looking"...being a man is what gets you laid.

Post: #240

^I beg to differ. I was once a disbeliever of looks theory until I hung out with men women consider handsome. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Post: #241

^ Yes mate - that is true in some situations. I know what it's like winging a good looking guy...he gets all the looks and you get ignored.

But it's situational...that same good looking guy will get treated like shit by the same girls in a different situation - like in any office job

So yeah, being a good looking guy does have its disadvantages ie; you look weak, you look like gay, etc

Like I said before, it's not about looks...it's about being a man, having male presence...no matter what you look like.

Post: #242

(10-01-2017 09:30 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:12 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(10-04-2011 08:34 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  Thread Necromancer over here.

When the above says less is more, what kind of material can one use to approach? I mean even though the guy might be very good looking, he still needs to say something to her for atleast the first few minutes before she starts opening up. Situational openers can work but they can get boring fast. But other more interesting push-pull techniques seem too risky in this case.

Also, what exactly is meant by cocky - funny? Would disqualifying her be considered cocky-funny? An example is when the girl guesses from 1-4, a number. The guy later reveals that the number she guesses is what 90% of people would guess, implying that she is not special. Would this be too harsh of a put down in this situation?
This routine was from Mystery but the intention of this is not to promote any particular PUA material.

Will be interesting to hear how guys in this situation do.

Irrelevant.

Period.

If you follow Rules 1 and 2:
1 Be attractive
2 Don't be not attractive

your life gets easier.

If you train and sculpt your body to YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 1% of men, End of story.
(You think I'm joking, but that's because 99% of men like to circle jerk about looks as an excuse to not reach their full potential. . .don't be one of those and you'll reach the promised land.)
This shouldn't have even been a thread to be honest, and certainly didn't need to be necro'd(I know you probably missed it but I'm getting at something here)

Let me reiterate: If you train and sculpt your body to YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 1% of men, game over.

If you train and sculpt your body to 90% of YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 5% of men,

If you train and sculpt your body to 80% YOUR utmost genetic limit(no matter what that is) You will be in the top 15% of men,

Do you see what I'm getting at. the top 10% of men is good looking. Your mission is to get there, Sure game can help you, ask Giovanni, but he also spent time training to the utmost of his genetic limit.

. . .and game got much easier for him. Same for others.

If you are not training to do this, then you are wrong, The end, game over, do not pass go, do not collect $200, in fact, go straight to jail.

There are no "disadvantages", to being in the top 10-15% of men. NONE. Applying game becomes that much easier. The creating of this thread was an attempt to argue for the OP's laziness. We don't do this here anymore. Life for a man is HARD, As a man, you have to fight against nature constantly. You have to keep watch, take care of yourself and IMPROVE. Arguing about the "disadvantages" of a man who has improved his body - one part of his life, but a part of his life that will make improving everything else orders of magnitude easier is not something you should be doing, it's a waste of time that you should be using. . .scultping your body to follow Rules 1 and 2.

Game is what keeps you in control of the women that are going to chase you endlessly once you do this. (and get the higher quality women that now are receptive to you) For many higher quality women, following rules 1 and 2 is JUST THE START, without it you don't even get to attend the stadium to watch, much less join the game.(these are for the 9's) and if you happen to luck up on some 9 pussy(HIGHLY rare, to the point that most people who say that are certainly lying), then it's certainly not going to happen with the regularity and consistency that you'd want.

So no, stop making excuses(reading and commenting in this thread) and get to work.

There is a treasure trove of information here at your fingertips, that will show you the way.

Good luck,
GodSpeed.

I think the question is really about how guys conduct verbal game when they already have had clear attraction from a women. The pattern that some might experience is that once they start running material like jokes, reducing her value, push-pull techniques etc., the interaction just fizzles out. Its like she is no longer happy to talk to you or she becomes nervous and freezes. Its almost as if game is making her feel uncomfortable. Even light teasing can make her freeze up and walk away when minutes ago she was giving you eye contact for 2 full seconds and then somehow found herself 2 feet from you minutes later.

But on the other hand, just droning on about the weather is going back to square one where the convo quickly ends. So, for guys out here, who have had consistent massive IOIs from multiple women wherever they go, solo or not, how do you start and maintain the interaction? Can you depend on women to drag the convo after a simple 'Hello' and mundane comments from your part in this particular case?

Post: #243

(10-03-2011 01:10 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Something that took me years to get was the fact that good looks works against you if you're being a jerk/assertive.

Absolutely. People think you're looking down on them. You also have a very hard time finding girls who aren't into "good looking guys"-- obsessed even. The fucking shallow types are always the ones you end up with--they fight the hardest to get your attention and you have no choice but to take the easy lay.

Post: #244

One disadvantage of being good looking is having to adapt to being invisible once your looks fade.

Post: #245

^ Agreed. Being good looking in the west is like shooting fish in the barrel. There is such a high emphasis from 18-25 year old sluts on appearance that there's no need to go to EE, Asia etc. However, as a mid 20s guy I dread the day those looks fade and I either need to settle down here with a more than likely sub-par woman, or move overseas to keep the momentum going. Hopefully smashing hoes is out of my system by then.

Post: #246

Our looks don't fade if we are diligent in taking good care of ourselves. Aren't women always crying about how it's "unfair" that men seem to get more handsome as we age(distinguished, aged like a fine wine), and they become less and less desirable?

If you're in shape it doesn't really matter if you have a bit of salt n pepper look, or if your hairline is receding as long as you own it, but if it hinders your confidence maybe get some hair color, or if balding, a buzz cut jason statham style to appear more youthful.

Post: #247

Being a good looking guy and with aloof/asshole game I've had moderate success.

Girls usually think I'm a player when I approach them so I'm automatically behind the eight ball. I'm naturally aloof and I don't smile a lot so girls automatically put me in that category. Takes me a bit longer to warm them up and honestly it can be exhausting at times.

Yes a girl may be automatically attracted to you off the bat, but that also opens the gates for her hamster to conjure up reasons why she should be cautious. So while I would agree that good looks get you in the door, it almost requires excellent game to cool that hamster wheel and revert her emotional state back to the first few minutes that she saw you.

Post: #248

(10-08-2017 11:48 PM)AmericanPharoah Wrote:  Our looks don't fade if we are diligent in taking good care of ourselves. Aren't women always crying about how it's "unfair" that men seem to get more handsome as we age(distinguished, aged like a fine wine), and they become less and less desirable?

If you're in shape it doesn't really matter if you have a bit of salt n pepper look, or if your hairline is receding as long as you own it, but if it hinders your confidence maybe get some hair color, or if balding, a buzz cut jason statham style to appear more youthful.

That's mostly true and also works great with the SA game (DHV, distinguished and aged like a fine wine). Girls be like...

Post: #249

@Villian...yes that hamster is a killer....You know he's coming the second there is "the talking pause".
You can't keep babbling away forever to avoid the hamster, you have to breath!
Sure enough the pause comes...tick tick tick DING...she's second guessing
She fast forwarded the entire relationship comparing it to her past and your just too much bother plus probably want to use your looks to control her

The last part on "control her" is my musings on the fear women have of falling crazy in love with a handsome dude...it means he has relationship control..tsk tsk tsk
Women want to be the controller....and they'll marry the dog faced boy to get it.....sadly it ain't love for women...just one-sided love for the dog faced boy.
The crazy thing is chicks will flock to romance novels for the dashing tall dark handsome men...yet in real life....total washout.

Two brain thoughts
- the reason a huge proportion of guys are shit in bed is women don't fuck enough to train guys...lol (they know it too!)
-the reason a huge proportion of girls are shit with handsome guys is because 95 per cent of guys are dogs(not here)...so they premature attractive guy ejaculate too soon (hamster) and need training

The key is always believing in yourself...don't take women personally, women are just as clueless on themselves on why they are the way they are (on any given day)

Post: #250

A lot of women feel insecure if the man is more attractive than them.