Post: #176

(04-11-2019 11:16 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  So who put the retroreflector on the Apollo 11 site then? They faked the human landing but then did a robot landing to place the retroreflector, in 1969?

The Moon Landing Is Fake is on the same intellectual level as The Earth Is Flat: Moronic.

The Russians landed retroreflectors on the moon in an unmanned mission a year after Apollo 11. The tech was there, and it was much less risky and less of a propaganda win than a manned mission.

It's not moronic to float the idea that the Moon landing was faked in some way - for example, that the program went 90% of the way to launch, but it was deemed safer to fake the actual landing TV transmission and photographs than carry out a mission which may have had an unacceptable risk of failure.

It's something to consider as a thought experiment, and there is no need to straw man the hoax position.

The incredibly strong negative reactions to hoax allegations are off base to me, if you consider all aspects including the propaganda war of the Cold War and the capabilities and known programs of the intelligence agencies (of which NASA is one) at the time. Simply put, it was an unprecedented era of deception and convoluted propaganda programs.

Post: #177

Great post, but I disagree about the last sentence, the deception was not unprecedented, it was at that point, and still is, ongoing, on many planes.

Post: #178

delete

Post: #179

I love Owen and we need more guys like him right now, but he needs to shut up about science and flat earth. He doesn't have a good understanding of these subjects and frankly most of that shit doesn't matter. Lately hes grappling with this idea of how its impossible for a plane to travel forward with the rotation of round earth, it just makes me shake my head...

Post: #180

He didn't actually buy into FE, I think he's more into the mental exercise of examining it. A bit like what I did in the thread we've had on this forum, it's interesting to see the heuristic shortcuts that FEarthers use to hoodwink people.

But yeah, he lacks a fundamental scientific grounding, he should enlist his wife's help for this, apparently she has an engineering degree from USC.

Post: #181

(04-13-2019 05:40 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  I love Owen and we need more guys like him right now, but he needs to shut up about science and flat earth. He doesn't have a good understanding of these subjects and frankly most of that shit doesn't matter. Lately hes grappling with this idea of how its impossible for a plane to travel forward with the rotation of round earth, it just makes me shake my head...

I think he is just doing the Looney stuff to throw off the establishment. If they think he is crazy they won't ban him or kill him.

Post: #182

Owen is killing it today with a takedown of Seinfeld as sociopathic programming, on live now, started out an hour ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEOOoDpSKcE

Post: #183

Wasn't that the whole point of the Seinfeld finale? That as funny as these people are... they're horrible monsters, not to be emulated.

Post: #184

(04-13-2019 05:43 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Wasn't that the whole point of the Seinfeld finale? That as funny as these people are... they're horrible monsters, not to be emulated.

I'm watching the Seinfeld takedown now, and despite being a comedian Owen has no fucking sense of humor. Satan! Sodomites!

Post: #185

(04-14-2019 02:27 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  and despite being a comedian Owen has no fucking sense of humor.

So I wasn't the only one to notice?

Only watched a few bits of him out of curiosity and there was slightly too much shit slinging and auto-fellatio going on.

Can anyone recommend a good vid of his to watch?

Post: #186

Watch one of his recent specials on youtube.

Post: #187

Moon landing.

Flat earth.

Debunking Seinfeld was only a matter of time.

Post: #188

For as loyal of a friend as Big Bear claims to be, he takes the smallest disagreement on any topic as an assault against his existence and the person becomes a target for his money-seeking live stream diatribes. He pumps up his masculinity and "genius" level IQ (I'm sorry, but the children of parents of means working in higher ed do not go to a SUNY school if their IQ is 140) while going after his "opponents'" height, voice, and overall appearance. He bans anyone who contradicts his sermons. He is SJW who is against trans babies, a position he uses to bolster himself up as martyr and speaking of truth that society needs...like a modern day John the Baptist. He uses the exact same tactics that he rails against.

Revenge of the Cis does great rebuttals to all of Owen's manic behavior. And they are far right so none of the criticisms are fueled by a desire to take down a Right Wing commentator.

Post: #189

All comedy is based upon suffering. Whether it's a prat fall, a pun which breaks language, or pointing out the hypocrisy and foolishness of others. As such, sitcoms are full of 'evil' in one way or another. In something like Friends it's the general stupidity and naivete of the characters. In Seinfeld it's their self-involved narcissism.

The danger comes when viewers fail to recognize this, and start internalizing the negative character traits of their favourite sitcom characters. For instance, I know somebody who's internalized the negative traits of Bender from Futurama. On the show, he's a lovable jerk. In reality, he's an unlovable jerk; just a toxic asshole that nobody wants around.

This is why the Bible warns about 'sitting in the seat of scoffers'; comedy can be a powerful tool, but it's a blade that cuts both ways. The comedian takes on an enormous mantle of responsibility, and even the best comedy needs to be handled with respect. Like sex, it's one of those fires that, if not tended properly, can quickly spiral out of control.

Post: #190

The real takeaway from Owen's Seinfeld rant is the danger of getting too deep into the idea that everything has some sort of subversive manipulative goal. No one that enjoys Seinfeld views the main characters as good people, and none will attempt to pattern their behavior after any of the characters beyond emulating the vapid joking patter that Jerry uses. Roosh himself advised this in Bang for guys trying to work on making smalltalk with women.

The humor of the show comes from the main characters overreacting on their negative self-centered impulses and then having it blow up in their faces at the end of the show. The reason we relate to the main characters is that we all have the same negative thoughts in the backs of our minds, but we don't act on them. In one episode George is publicly humiliated by his boss after he rage quits his job over a dispute about using the executive bathroom. George realized what a stupid thing that was and then tried to play it off by showing up to work the next day like he had never quit and the boss calls him out on it front of everyone. This is a perfect example of a gamma meltdown resulting in an alpha beatdown. More than any Vox Day lecture it actually gives an effective demonstration of why you don't want to be a gamma. George later comes up with a revenge fantasy of poisoning his boss and almost goes through with it, but then his boss admits he was too hard on George and gives him his job back. Of course the alpha boss can't help but follow up with some belittling comments that once again poke the gamma in his ego, so the episode ends with George's response: "Drink up!" The presumed ending is that George is out of a job, and the bully boss gets roofied. Both the gamma and the alpha got comeuppance for their negative behavior.

Owen wouldn't find this funny in the least, to him it would be the Jews trying to make everyone into a gamma like George picking on this poor hardworking boss who is just trying to manage his office. Amusingly an effective morality play showing socio-sexual hierarchy conflict is beyond the grasp of a guy who buys fully into the socio-sexual hierarchy, but so desperately wants to be an alpha that he's turned himself into a gamma. A gamma you say? Well look at his behavior:

Anyone who disagrees with him becomes a mortal enemy.
Criticism in chat = "You're banned!"
"I love this guy and he's a great friend, but now let him shittalk about him"
Knows it all, no intellectual humility
His professional failure must be him being persecuted no other explanation makes sense to him
Empty threats: "If someone creeped on my wife I'd totally murder him and get away with it!"
147 IQ smart boy

My recommendation to Owen if he wants to fix his comedy routine would be to use the word "puke" more. It's a funny word.

Post: #191

Owen theoretically falls into the category of a sigma in the Voxian dialect but that's on a good day. On a bad day he slips gamma.

It follows my personal theory that all sigmas are simply gammas who become socially successful in spite of their tendencies but like addicts are always prone to backsliding under certain circumstances or due to certain triggers.

I place myself in that category and I'm yet to see a self-described sigma who doesn't also bolster this theory. Even Vox Day seems to fit this pattern though if you said so he'd slip gamma in a heartbeat.

The sigma and the gamma both decline to operate within the natural hierarchy of alphas, betas and omegas but the only difference between a gamma and a so-called sigma is the degree of success they enjoy in their rebellion. Like you'd call a man who picked fights and won a fighter but you'd call a man who picked fights and lost an idiot. They're both the same guy. Just one wins and one loses.

Post: #192

(04-14-2019 10:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The sigma and the gamma both decline to operate within the natural hierarchy of alphas, betas and omegas but the only difference between a gamma and a so-called sigma is the degree of success they enjoy in their rebellion. Like you'd call a man who picked fights and won a fighter but you'd call a man who picked fights and lost an idiot. They're both the same guy. Just one wins and one loses.

The archetypes can all be split into equivalent pairs, and which of the pair you pick depends on if you want to insult the person you're categorizing.

Alpha: Aggressive leader. Like Trump portraying his losses as victories from sheer frame control!
Gamma: Aggressive argumentative twat. Like Trump protraying his losses as victories from sheer narcissistic delusion.

Sigma: Antisocial rebel with his own mind. Like Dirty Harry.
Omega: Antisocial creep with his own mental problems. Like Eliot Rodger.

Beta: Agreeable guy everyone likes.
Delta: Agreeable guy everyone likes because you can get him to be the designated driver every night and he won't even say anything when you never pay him any gas money.

Post: #193

(04-14-2019 10:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It follows my personal theory that all sigmas are simply gammas who become socially successful in spite of their tendencies but like addicts are always prone to backsliding under certain circumstances or due to certain triggers.

I place myself in that category and I'm yet to see a self-described sigma who doesn't also bolster this theory. Even Vox Day seems to fit this pattern though if you said so he'd slip gamma in a heartbeat.

The sigma and the gamma both decline to operate within the natural hierarchy of alphas, betas and omegas but the only difference between a gamma and a so-called sigma is the degree of success they enjoy in their rebellion.

I have a post coming up on my theory/thoughts behind the origin of Sigmaness. I need to get my thoughts together though. I'm in the real world now(outside NZ) and still am learning every day how normal socialisation actually works. You could never learn this in NZ.

Post: #194

(04-14-2019 02:27 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-13-2019 05:43 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Wasn't that the whole point of the Seinfeld finale? That as funny as these people are... they're horrible monsters, not to be emulated.

I'm watching the Seinfeld takedown now, and despite being a comedian Owen has no fucking sense of humor. Satan! Sodomites!

Regarding his takedown of the "Soup Nazi" episode: If the characters all just stood in line and ordered properly, you wouldn't have a show. You'd have a camera documenting boring people doing boring things.

Who would want to watch people just stand in line and order something? We all do that every day.

This, I think, is the big flaw of a lot of conservative culture. Its adherents are so obsessed with rule following and maintaining order that there's no joy or humor. It's as if they can only envision a world filled with stone-faced drones going to work like programmed robots.

There are a lot of aspects of modern culture that deserve to be critiqued if not outright trashed. It would be better if people concentrated on the globalist corporations that push consumerist propaganda songs like "Seven Rings" than a 30-year-old, independently-produced show that never hid the fact that it was about terrible people doing terrible things.

Post: #195

(04-15-2019 05:41 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  This, I think, is the big flaw of a lot of conservative culture. Its adherents are so obsessed with rule following and maintaining order that there's no joy or humor. It's as if they can only envision a world filled with stone-faced drones going to work like programmed robots.

I wouldn't go as far to say I dislike Seinfeld, however most conservatives actually enjoy following rules and a rigid orderly society. So you don't see the joy in it because you aren't actually conservative(enough to). To most mostly conservative people, there isn't a flaw or problem at all. I would go as far to say non-conservative people have "broken" brains, where they need more and more novelty and hedonism and pleasure to feel something and always are chasing the next high. Conservatives are happy to just "be" and enjoy their high quality experiences over and over again, rather than constantly having novel ones.

Post: #196

(04-15-2019 05:41 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 02:27 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-13-2019 05:43 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Wasn't that the whole point of the Seinfeld finale? That as funny as these people are... they're horrible monsters, not to be emulated.

I'm watching the Seinfeld takedown now, and despite being a comedian Owen has no fucking sense of humor. Satan! Sodomites!

Regarding his takedown of the "Soup Nazi" episode: If the characters all just stood in line and ordered properly, you wouldn't have a show. You'd have a camera documenting boring people doing boring things.

Who would want to watch people just stand in line and order something? We all do that every day.

This, I think, is the big flaw of a lot of conservative culture. Its adherents are so obsessed with rule following and maintaining order that there's no joy or humor. It's as if they can only envision a world filled with stone-faced drones going to work like programmed robots.

There are a lot of aspects of modern culture that deserve to be critiqued if not outright trashed. It would be better if people concentrated on the globalist corporations that push consumerist propaganda songs like "Seven Rings" than a 30-year-old, independently-produced show that never hid the fact that it was about terrible people doing terrible things.

Also, Seinfeld appeals to the self absorbed selfish part of everyone's character. Comedy does this a lot. Allows you to indulge mentally in behavior you wouldn't do in real life.

It's like a release, the humor equivalent of the catharsis that happens when people cry at a tragedy.

Analyzing these characters like they are just normal people is insane.

It is on the same level as back in the day when sometimes Ronald Reagan talked about movies he was in as if they were actual experiences in his life.

Owen, these aren't real people.

Post: #197

Owen Benjamin breaks down John Wick:





Interesting stuff.

Post: #198

(04-15-2019 11:27 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 05:41 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 02:27 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-13-2019 05:43 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Wasn't that the whole point of the Seinfeld finale? That as funny as these people are... they're horrible monsters, not to be emulated.

I'm watching the Seinfeld takedown now, and despite being a comedian Owen has no fucking sense of humor. Satan! Sodomites!

Regarding his takedown of the "Soup Nazi" episode: If the characters all just stood in line and ordered properly, you wouldn't have a show. You'd have a camera documenting boring people doing boring things.

Who would want to watch people just stand in line and order something? We all do that every day.

This, I think, is the big flaw of a lot of conservative culture. Its adherents are so obsessed with rule following and maintaining order that there's no joy or humor. It's as if they can only envision a world filled with stone-faced drones going to work like programmed robots.

There are a lot of aspects of modern culture that deserve to be critiqued if not outright trashed. It would be better if people concentrated on the globalist corporations that push consumerist propaganda songs like "Seven Rings" than a 30-year-old, independently-produced show that never hid the fact that it was about terrible people doing terrible things.

Also, Seinfeld appeals to the self absorbed selfish part of everyone's character. Comedy does this a lot. Allows you to indulge mentally in behavior you wouldn't do in real life.

It's like a release, the humor equivalent of the catharsis that happens when people cry at a tragedy.

Analyzing these characters like they are just normal people is insane.

It is on the same level as back in the day when sometimes Ronald Reagan talked about movies he was in as if they were actual experiences in his life.

Owen, these aren't real people.

More often than not, comedies like Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm or nearly all of Woody Allen movies are based on the personal experience of the writers/directors. And purely fictional segments or characters would often embody a reflection of their thoughts and mores, presenting an intimate insight into their worldview.

Owen Benjamin, a pretty talented and bright longtime comedian-writer has an intimate understanding of this, that is the basis of his critique, and IMHO it's a solid base.

Post: #199

A lot of art is based on personal experience. And you exaggerate this and minimize that to have a specific effect.

We all know this.

It doesn't take Benjamin's supposed intimate experience to understand it.

What he is doing is like pearl clutching about the violence in Looney Tune cartoons, and saying hitting someone so hard in the face with a frying pan that their whole head retains the shape of a frying pan is the path to school shootings.

Even kids know it is make believe.

Owen is silly on this one.

Post: #200

(04-22-2019 11:38 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  A lot of art is based on personal experience. And you exaggerate this and minimize that to have a specific effect.

We all know this.

It doesn't take Benjamin's supposed intimate experience to understand it.

What he is doing is like pearl clutching about the violence in Looney Tune cartoons, and saying hitting someone so hard in the face with a frying pan that their whole head retains the shape of a frying pan is the path to school shootings.

Even kids know it is make believe.

Owen is silly on this one.

To build on the above post, art inspired by people's personal lives is done by virtually all artists. To claim this is a Jewish thing is way off the mark.

Examples can be found in all disciplines: The suicidal songs of Nick Drake, the Italian-American films of Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Scorcese, and the rural Americana tales found in the books of Laura Ingalls Wilder.

That said, talking about the overall Jewish influence in Hollywood is a worthwhile discussion. Benjamin would have been better off focusing on that.

Even the Jewish conservative writer Michael Medved comes right out and says there is anti-Christian prejudice among Hollywood Jews in his book "Hollywood Vs. America." In one classic example, he asks what would happen if Christian filmmaker mocked Anne Frank the way Jewish filmmakers mocked all things Christian. (I would strongly recommend all RVF-ers read this book.)

But "Seinfeld" took on everyone, from the Jews themselves to Italians to Pakistanis to women. The main character might have gotten to date scads of different women, but he usually lost them because of his own flaws (i.e. Sidra in "The Implant," the model on "The Pick," etc.).

Maybe Benjamin chose "Seinfeld" because it's become a cultural sacred cow and he knew it would get people talking about him. He was right in that respect.

But like the music of the Beatles, "Seinfeld's" reputation of greatness is well-earned. And, hey, speaking of personal art, the Beatles were known to get autobiographical as well...like when Paul sang about his "mother Mary."