Post: #151

Nice Roosh, I'm exited to read what you experienced.

I've never done shrooms before, I'm sure I'll try it at the right time when it presents itself.

I've done LSD thrice, it was supposedly "pretty light acid" and "pure" from a trusted source of someone I trust. Set and setting are crucial, as has been mentioned above. I absolutely recommend tripping and being out in nature looking up at the stars away from significant light pollution. The sky looked like an "alive" matrix of light, the stars appeared to be pulsating and it was beautiful. I had this revelation that I am able to do anything I set my mind to as long as I take action on it, and that only limiting beliefs hold us back. While I was marveling at this grid of pure starlight, a shooting star arced across the sky, and it was one of most amazing things I've ever seen.

The second time I wasn't in as great of a headspace and some negativity crept into the trip but I was able to manage it before things spiraled downward. The third time was fine, I watched The Brave Little Toaster (great movie) when I got home and realized some stuff about it that I had never noticed. Psychedelics definitely have their value if used responsibly

Post: #152

(03-25-2019 01:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  And who's to say that God didn't put those mushrooms there for those who want a closer connection with Him?

If existence was like how it is to be high on mushrooms, you'd go insane. There is no "solid ground" and you forget how to act like a "human". Too many filters are removed. There is safety in not allowing us to experience existence in that way.

You can also choose the kind of high you have with mushrooms. It can just be a trippy/giddy thing the whole way through. For the men I know who took it, they didn't have a spiritual experience like I did, but I've been asking for help before taking it. And I got help.

Roosh, you're an intelligent person, as debeguiled alludes to, why would the easy path not be along the lines of "something for nothing" that most humans are seduced by, but typically is less ideal (that's being gentle)?

Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

I have no position here, necessarily, as I am not ignorant of this sort of thing, but I feel that these questions must be asked.

I would also point out that your first question above is akin to what a hippy moral relativist usually suggests. You're better than that, from what I've read and seen you talk about.

Post: #153

(03-25-2019 09:49 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

You don't really "know," rationally speaking. But you "feel" the Truth when you experience it, emotionally and intuitively.

That's really the whole concept behind "faith."

Post: #154

I tripped in Amsterdam recently. I ate a box of those truffles, some of the stronger ones.

I turned on some classical music, and was extremely moved. It was overwhelming honestly. If there are any negative emotions that you are repressing subconsciously day to day, mushrooms will bring them out. There is no hiding. I was on the brink of a bad trip, but talked myself down.

After that, the euphoria and "ego death" took hold. My thoughts were no longer my own, the drug was in total control. I don't know if it's something spiritual, but if not it's pretty damn close. A profound experience for sure, and I feel different even now. In fact, I've quit all vices with almost no effort. Something which is unusual for me.

If you decide to do them, start slow. I ate half the box and waited a good hour and a half before taking any more. Eating drugs is different than smoking them. The effects take much longer to kick in. Lots of people fuck themselves by not waiting long enough and then taking way too much.

Post: #155

(03-25-2019 03:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 02:54 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  Do you mind sharing how much you took?

I took two doses of 1.8 grams spaced about 90 minutes apart. Each dose was soaking in ~1/3 cup lemon juice for over an hour. My guide, who has done mushrooms before, said this was the first time he did it in lemon juice, and that it caused a far heavier onset of effect than normal.

Yes Lemmon juice is like nearly doubling it! It hits so much harder and faster.... but the duration is less.

I did the same, I blended it in Lemmon juice (1gam) went to use the restroom and it hit me on the toilet! I started tripping balls instantly. Couldn’t move for 45 min

Lemmon juice definitely amplifies.

Post: #156

(03-25-2019 09:49 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Roosh, you're an intelligent person, as debeguiled alludes to, why would the easy path not be along the lines of "something for nothing" that most humans are seduced by, but typically is less ideal (that's being gentle)?

Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

I have no position here, necessarily, as I am not ignorant of this sort of thing, but I feel that these questions must be asked.

I would also point out that your first question above is akin to what a hippy moral relativist usually suggests. You're better than that, from what I've read and seen you talk about.

How do you know you're not being deceived?

What's wrong with giving yourself an experience that forces you to look at things with meaning? Especially something with pretty convincing evidence of neuroprotective and neuroregenerative properties.

You make it out to sound like you're putting yourself out there to be exposed to the devil forever. But really, you're exposing yourself to this profound experience, you get the opportunity to see things the way you've never seen them before, and then, most importantly, you come down and get to scrutinize the merit of your conclusions.

In fact, it's built into trips that the comedown makes you want to question it all. It's much more like panning for gold and throwing away the mud than selling your soul to the devil. Especially since this particular kind of drug corrects abuse.

That last point I made goes against that second assumption you made--that tripping is some kind of easy path. It absolutely is not. There is not something for nothing. If you use a huge dose of magic mushrooms and get to that spiritual place, you run a risk of learning things you wouldn't want to. It can force you to consider things you hid from yourself. It's spiritual medicine, and it can beat the living fuck out of you. But it's pretty universally understood that whatever beating you take, you needed to take.

Don't think for a second that this is "something for nothing."

This is just a tool that has such incredible limitless potential it's a shame it's been hidden from us. And it has been hidden from us. For a reason, probably.

What if it's all a ruse? Yeah, what if. You can choose what to believe. So don't go bashing Roosh saying "you're better than this" for him taking the literal red pill and looking behind the curtain for himself. One day you might try it too and see what the hype about it really is. You'll be surprised how much of you is actually making those experiences and not some nameless entity.

But to your concerns about whatever dangers you think this has to your soul, look at the state of mind it forms in people. It drives people to God more often than not, even when the demographic around tripping necessarily has to be slanted towards criminals as they're the only ones generally bold enough to spit in the face of arbitrary laws. Even those types end of kicking their hard drug use after a heavy trip and going to church and looking for meaning and learning empathy. How you can have concerns about the kind of person mushrooms makes you is naive in my opinion.

Post: #157

Looking forward to see if that experience will have an impact on your writing Roosh. If I remember all the experiences I had when I was a heavy psychonaut in my early twenties I'm pretty sure it will impact your way of thinking.

But there are more "entheogens" then magic mushrooms out there... Cacti, amanita muscaria, salvia divinorum, ayahuasca the list is probably endless. I tried several and some gave me beautiful and good experiences. Others gave me bad nightmarish experiences. I don't think it was the substance though, but the set and setting that impacted the experiences in those ways.

One thing I haven't tried and am not eager to try is ayahuasca/dmt. After reading Strassman's Spirit Molecule and Shannon's Antipodes of the Mind I'm not eager to encounter other entities while my face is melting off.

I think the question/concern that is raised if you can know if you are being deceived or not is definitely a genuine one! How do you know your visions are real or not just implanted by a demonic force? I don't think you can be sure of it. I think that most of the visions I had were true, but am I sure? Not at all... I definitely would suggest also trying non-psychedelic entheogenic practices just to see how you react on those or what you learn by doing those. But that's just my opinion.

Post: #158

(03-25-2019 10:08 PM)monster Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 09:49 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

You don't really "know," rationally speaking. But you "feel" the Truth when you experience it, emotionally and intuitively.

That's really the whole concept behind "faith."

This is kind of conflating faith with a mushroom trip.

No mind bending substances are necessary for faith.

If you ingest something that you know will alter your perceptions, it is only prudent to ask yourself if what you perceive has anything to do with the fact your mind was altered, doesn't it?

I am sure Kid Twist asks himself the same question regularly, and it is a good question.

If someone offered you the opportunity to buy into a bond fund that regularly beat the market, you would make sure you weren't being swindled before you bought in.

So why not the same standard for spiritual issues?

Post: #159

(03-24-2019 11:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I tried mushrooms for the first time with a knowledgeable friend, after over a year of considering it. The experience was profound. I'm in the process of putting the experience into words, which will take some time, but what I realized is this:

This world that we're in is a gift from God. He made it for us, but there are "house rules" we must follow. When we're done here, we separate from the body and go back "home" to the source. It's where we are from but also where we have always been and always will be.

In the future I'll have much more to say about what I experienced. The pharmacological effect of mushrooms removed two kinds of "filters": (1) ones that are there for our own safety to prevent information overload and (2) ones that were installed by the world of men to control us. I don't advise you take mushrooms without an experienced guide. This is not a shortcut if the proper mental framework and knowledge is not already there.

My experience with psychedelics allowed me to come to the same realization basically instantaneously. Knowing your awareness and intelligence level it comes at no surprise that you're able to grasp the main idea given to us by psychs after just one experience.

What always baffled me was the sheer amount of people who trip all the time yet are unable to grasp any of the knowledge and just do it to party. With the realizations and experiences I have with them it makes me wonder are we even taking the same drug? I think that we're outliers in that most people are so brainwashed and unaware that even these spiritual substances have no effect.

Looking forward to reading a more in depth write up in the future.

Post: #160

Psilocybin is the next illegal drug to be legalized for medical purposes, mainly as an aid for psychological treatment. I don't think it will take more than 10 years.

Weed took decades, but mushrooms have less political and practical impediments, while having an extremely small market, almost niche. They are not quite made for the masses, and cannot be really used for purely recreative purposes, due to the physical impairment they cause, and also for the immediate "digestive" effects they can have if you do not prepare for the trip.

Our ancestors considered them, along with other substances, medicine for the spirit, and they were/are completely right.

Post: #161

Quote:What always baffled me was the sheer amount of people who trip all the time yet are unable to grasp any of the knowledge and just do it to party. With the realizations and experiences I have with them it makes me wonder are we even taking the same drug?

Mushrooms seems to amplify what is already there... it builds on top of the foundation instead of throwing you a curve ball. If you're just a young kid who wants to get high, you will probably not have a big realization.

Post: #162

Not to mention there are so many levels to the psychedelic experience. It’s hard to describe really because it can be anything from a sex enhancer to a two-way ticket to God to a great conversation tool with your close friends. It’s a grown up drug for sure.

I can say personally my experiences with psychedelics and mushrooms in particular have let me discover the kind of man I am decades before I would have otherwise. If you keep your context and perspective right you accomplish a lot.

Post: #163

(03-26-2019 01:37 PM)bigolteddies Wrote:  What always baffled me was the sheer amount of people who trip all the time yet are unable to grasp any of the knowledge and just do it to party. With the realizations and experiences I have with them it makes me wonder are we even taking the same drug? I think that we're outliers in that most people are so brainwashed and unaware that even these spiritual substances have no effect.

Set and setting. If you do a small dosage of mushrooms in a party setting like many people do, you aren't going to have these deep spiritual thoughts typically. You will be distracted by other things and enjoying the hedonistic aspect of the drug.

Also, in my view it is a bit arrogant to believe that doing mushrooms will result in some sort of great "truth" or "knowledge" being bestowed upon you. It alters your state of consciousness and opens your mind to ideas you wouldn't be able to process otherwise, but there isn't a universal truth that it reveals to all people who consume mushrooms.

Post: #164

Welcome to the other side, Roosh. I knew you'd venture to this side a few years back and I was right.

I consider myself a a pretty seasoned psychonaut, but still have yet to do the Spirit Molecule at the climax of a heroic dose of psilocybin as Terence McKenna suggests this to be culmination in psychedelia. Anyone ventured that deep down the rabbit-hole?

Post: #165

Wait... DMT with a mega dose of mushrooms!? IDK man... that sees s like a crap shoot. You Will have a very high chance of seeing demons, aliens, all sorts of stuff wether true or fantasy. DMT is already the strongest visual phycadelic out there!

Post: #166

(03-26-2019 12:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:08 PM)monster Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 09:49 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

You don't really "know," rationally speaking. But you "feel" the Truth when you experience it, emotionally and intuitively.

That's really the whole concept behind "faith."

This is kind of conflating faith with a mushroom trip.

No mind bending substances are necessary for faith.

If you ingest something that you know will alter your perceptions, it is only prudent to ask yourself if what you perceive has anything to do with the fact your mind was altered, doesn't it?

I am sure Kid Twist asks himself the same question regularly, and it is a good question.

If someone offered you the opportunity to buy into a bond fund that regularly beat the market, you would make sure you weren't being swindled before you bought in.

So why not the same standard for spiritual issues?

I agree with this. Seems like cheating. It s like going to a river with golden water and being happy about finding gold.

Post: #167

Any regular microdosers in here? Now that the weather is hitting the 60's/70's here in the midwest I'm planning to do some nice outdoor mini/microtrips. I haven't done it enough to say an effects on my mood, but it does give a nice feeling of appreciation in the moment for things.

Post: #168

(03-26-2019 12:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:08 PM)monster Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 09:49 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Another question is, how can you know that you aren't being deceived?

You don't really "know," rationally speaking. But you "feel" the Truth when you experience it, emotionally and intuitively.

That's really the whole concept behind "faith."

This is kind of conflating faith with a mushroom trip.

No mind bending substances are necessary for faith.

If you ingest something that you know will alter your perceptions, it is only prudent to ask yourself if what you perceive has anything to do with the fact your mind was altered, doesn't it?

I am sure Kid Twist asks himself the same question regularly, and it is a good question.

If someone offered you the opportunity to buy into a bond fund that regularly beat the market, you would make sure you weren't being swindled before you bought in.

So why not the same standard for spiritual issues?

More likely than becoming part of "God" on a mushroom/DMT/LSD trip is the idea that the "machine elves' are merely parts of your subconscious mind a.k.a. the archetypes that have been brought to consciousness. This is why people feel as though they are experiencing enlightenment when in reality the brain has powered up to the point where all systems are operating in unison. Hence the feeling of oneness with God and the universe.

Post: #169

I recently saw a Jordan Peterson talk on the findings of Johns Hopkins researchers experiments dealing with psilocybin; pretty interesting.

Post: #170

Good tips :

https://runesoup.com/2019/03/how-and-why...solo-show/

Post: #171

(03-27-2019 09:02 AM)Gotti Wrote:  Also, in my view it is a bit arrogant to believe that doing mushrooms will result in some sort of great "truth" or "knowledge" being bestowed upon you. It alters your state of consciousness and opens your mind to ideas you wouldn't be able to process otherwise, but there isn't a universal truth that it reveals to all people who consume mushrooms.

This matches my experience. I've never received any new knowledge in the factual sense from mushrooms. Only new insights based on what I already knew going in. And those insights can hit suddenly with a powerful sense of depth. It has made me cry like I haven't cried since I was a child. But there was nothing negative about the crying at all. It was an outlet for all the unconfronted truths about myself that I was too busy to face, having instead buried them in my subconscious mind.

Some here call it a shortcut, but what's wrong with that, as long as you are open to whatever insights you receive from the trip? That's like saying we should read the Bible in the original languages instead of in modern ones. Personally, the only other way I can see myself receiving the same benefits is to take extended time away from work or quit and then spend all my time meditating. Do preachers tell people who want to read the Bible that they should quit their jobs and study Greek full time just so that they can read the original Bible? Not to say that there isn't anything to be gained by the extra effort, but it's a cost benefit trade-off that each man must decide for himself.

I acknowledge that I had some less than ideal mushroom trips, when I only had a few days off before I had to get back to work. It didn't leave me a lot of time to reflect on it afterwards. I also had my normal-life responsibilities hanging in the back of my mind. But it was still more beneficial than not taking the mushrooms at all. I learned to forgive myself for past mistakes with women and at work. I realized the need to improve my relationship with my parents, who are getting older and are at greater risk of developing health problems. I also found the words to say (post-bang) to my current LTR, who later told me she was really touched by it. Without it, I wouldn't have figured out how to say those things without coming off as forced or beta.

Post: #172

Have had an extremely hard time finding anyone to supply these. I've had multiple people tell me they could basically get me anything I wanted except shrooms. Might have to forage come spring time. I have a decent knowledge of mushroom picking. May drop a data sheet if so inclined on edible mushrooms.

Post: #173

I credit magic mushrooms with allowing me to finally lose my virginity at the ripe old age of 23. A friend of mine got some for my 23rd birthday and we chopped them up and drank them in a smoothie.

I remember lying in bed listening to rod steward and feeling this weird body high and a real craving to just cuddle with someone, to stroke them and be intimate. I started having all these realisations, with real clarity, at how women were made to 'receive' men. About the importance of being dominant and how great it would feel to be 'caringly dominant' over a girl, and how great they would feel having me to lead them.

All stuff that is probably quite obvious to most reading here. But then i'd had no exposure to anything like this. I grew up with a very passive father and over protective mother and had all the cliche traits one would imagine.

That very week i had some kind of renewed vigour to go out and pursue girls, shaking off the passive beta boyish frame id had all my life to that point; which was just passively hoping some girl would sex me out of the blue and take me as her boyfriend. I was chatting to girls at parties, adding them on fb and messaging them late at night to come over. Less than 2 weeks after that trip i fucked some girl which ended up turning into my first FWB situation.

I can barely remember the actual act of losing my virginity. But i think i'll always hold deer memories of tripping out, listening to Rod, as the catalyst of all that came there after..

Post: #174

Also, google HGH and psychedelics. Some evidence out there that many psychedelics (especially DMT which very is structurally similar to psilocybin) increase HGH.

Post: #175

(03-28-2019 08:52 PM)PlevenskiTarikat Wrote:  Welcome to the other side, Roosh. I knew you'd venture to this side a few years back and I was right.

I consider myself a a pretty seasoned psychonaut, but still have yet to do the Spirit Molecule at the climax of a heroic dose of psilocybin as Terence McKenna suggests this to be culmination in psychedelia. Anyone ventured that deep down the rabbit-hole?

I once accidentally smoked MET (ethyl methyl tryptamine...you can google it but short version is "dmt easy mode") right after the peak of a 300mcg LSD trip (we'd been smoking it before the trip and my friend packed a bowl of weed in the pipe we were using before and then we smoked out of it, it recrystallized in the pipe).

I would describe it as an immediate feeling of sheer panic followed by me trying to calm myself down by saying that it's happening now anyway and I can't do anything to stop it so might as well enjoy it. Then the room started to look like what happens when you look at yourself in two mirrors facing each other. Then it all melted away and I felt like I was hurtling through space and forgot who I was. I won't clutter the thread with a trip report but I saw a lot of crazy stuff, felt as if external presences were communicating with me, and did have an ultimate realization that I was able to put into words at the time. I could hear voices talking to me. It was also pretty erotic. (I've heard that is an MET thing...DMT not so much)