Post: #1

Hey guys,

over the past few months I have identified a severe inner game issue of mine and seeing as I've gotten some really valuable feedback from this community in the past I'd like to describe it here and would appreciate any thoughts! I apologise for the long post, but I'd rather give a comprehensive overview of the situation.

I'm in my late twenties, my current girlfriend is also mid - late 20s, been together for two years, living in Europe. I will not get married and she knows that and honestly I cannot imagine having kids anytime soon, which may be an issue causing a break up in the future when she's nearing 30 and I don't want to impregnate her.

I eat healthy most of the time, I work out and am in very good shape, no alcohol, no caffeine, no cigarettes, masturbation no more than 1-2 times a month to porn, if even that, no more porn usage than that. I am physically healthy, had issues with alcohol and drug use in the past, clean and sober for 3.5 years now and the accompanying depression has also gotten much much better, no need for medication or cbt. I meditate daily and also do yoga several times a week.


I have noticed over the past that I somehow have a deep down issue with the hookup culture that is normal now in the western hemisphere. When I met my current gf we talked very openly about our sexual past (too openly, which was a mistake I later realised, but what is done is done).
Her notch count is around 15-20 (which I honestly consider a lot for a steady girlfriend of mine and she was just about mid twenties when we met) and mine is more or less the same.
We have a lot of sex, the sex is very good and even though she had a few partners before me she was still pretty inexperienced and has opened up a lot more sexually since then with me and regularly orgasmns now which didn't happen before.

Now before you ask why we're together, let me point out that she is head over heels in love with me and does everything for me and it really really shows. There's no contact to former lovers. I too am in love with her and the relationship is definitely worth having, with both partners looking out for each other.

Now every so often, maybe once a month I get this really strong bad feeling about her having fucked other dudes. A few nights ago I dreamed she hooked up with an aquaintance of mine (which she probably never did or doesn't even know!) and woke up in the middle of the night and coudn't get back to sleep. My head was racing, filled with thoughts and nasty images. Needless to say I'm really turned off with her in those moments.
A few months back the same thing happened when I found out by accident that a former ex of hers had a much bigger penis than mine (I'm slightly above average, so I shouldn't logically be having any issues with penis size, but somehow it freaked me out).
The whole night I couldn't sleep and the next day was ruined too.
Like I said these issues come up every few weeks and i feel bad the next day and then she's really sweet with me again and things return to normal.

I had similar issues with my last girlfriend. She was a virgin when I met her and I still got crazy jealous and had thoughts like those in my head, even though she literally didn't have anyone else inside her!

Another example:
Ever since I've gotten sober and have reflected more on my life and actions I sometimes get a bad feeling when I go out at night and see other people hooking up. Like why are they hooking up, look another slut just about to fuck another random dude etc. etc..
Instead of having fun and taking it easy and enjoying the night out with friends or alone gaming, my head sometimes (not all the time, most of the time I'm able to brush off these thoughts) gets caught up in all this bullshit.

I realise that the issue is mostly an insecurity with myself but I am at loss at how to properly act against it and make it go away.

Like I've written above I take care of my body and mind, I also try to read a lot, I've been red pill aware for maybe 6-8 years now.

But this inner game/confidence issue is definitely a big problem for me.
People wouldn't guess for a second that I'm having these problems. I appear to be very confident, self assured to other people and am good looking (i hear all of that regularly). I have some issues with my parents and childhood, had about half a year of cbt for it and it has helped a lot (overbearing mother, passive and angry father, both very intent on me performing in sports and school).

Jobwise I'm a surgical resident, so good money, social status etc..

Does anyone have any resources or ideas on how to combat the issue?
Do you think if my own notch count would get significantly higher and I had much more experience with girls that the issue would dissolve itself?

I'm grateful for any ideas and tips! Thanks!

Post: #2

Hey dude, thanks for opening up and being vulnerable. As you pointed out, jealousy results from insecurity. But from what I'm gathering, you have no reason to be insecure. You're a very high-value man that's become very attached to this particular woman. Perhaps you fear deep down that if the relationship ends, you won't find someone else who loves you so much and takes care of you like she does. I've gone through this as well.

If you read other threads in the forum, you'll learn it's very good to be a man in his 30s and 40s. A man ages like a fine wine. Your value is only going to go up especially with your healthy habits and career.

Whenever I feel insecurity like you're feeling, I remind myself that I'm only getting better, and if I lose my current woman, that I'll just re-enter the dating market at a higher value than I've ever been and be able to get an even better relationship than the current one. There are plenty of fish in the sea!

The irony of overcoming these insecurities and realizing you're going to be fine if you lose her, is that this will make her desire you more. She will see very clearly how lucky she is to be with you, and she'll show it.

Everything is impermanent, attachments eventually lead to suffering.

Post: #3

(07-11-2018 04:19 AM)filio Wrote:  I have noticed over the past that I somehow have a deep down issue with the hookup culture that is normal now in the western hemisphere. When I met my current gf we talked very openly about our sexual past (too openly, which was a mistake I later realised, but what is done is done).
Her notch count is around 15-20 (which I honestly consider a lot for a steady girlfriend of mine and she was just about mid twenties when we met) and mine is more or less the same.
A few months back the same thing happened when I found out by accident that a former ex of hers had a much bigger penis than mine (I'm slightly above average, so I shouldn't logically be having any issues with penis size, but somehow it freaked me out).
I had similar issues with my last girlfriend. She was a virgin when I met her and I still got crazy jealous and had thoughts like those in my head, even though she literally didn't have anyone else inside her!

This is typically called retroactive jealousy. However, you do not have the standard variety.

I'm going to be straight up with you and say that part of your problem might be porn. For some reason western porn is obsessed with huge dicks... which if you think about it is gay. Virtually all porn represents male fantasies... and many men fantasize about having a larger penis... and if you really pay attention a lot of the porn revolves around women taking large penises in their ass with a very painful expression. I hate to say this, but a lot of guys simply get off on women experiencing pain and humiliation during sex. I promise you that most women do not like pain and humiliation... although a small portion do.

My point is that if you watch porn... even a little porn... it seeps into your brain and changes how you think subconsciously. So... my suggestion is to cut out the porn 100% and if you need to fap use your imagination. See if that makes a difference after a while.

How did you find out about your GF's ex being well endowed? Did she talk about it or did you read emails where she discusses it? I think that matters towards the issue.

Post: #4

Can't help you with the rest your post OP but like the poster above said - stop watching porn. It fucks with your brain. We weren't meant to see big dicked degenerates fucking hot little pieces of ass of any variety on a computer screen. It's not good.

I wouldn't wife up a girl with that high of a partner count especially if she admitted it and said a dude she banged had a bigger dick and heres why - women suck ass at measuring size. They are demonstrably awful at it. Next time you get a chance ask a girl to guess the length of anything - she'll be hilariously off. When a girl admits she banged a dude with a larger dick what she's actually saying is it felt better [unless she's been with a real horsecock type dude, probability for that is laughably low] and as we all know womens emotions are the key to making them enjoy sex - you do the math.

Try telling a girl you've had tighter. Watch them freak the fuck out, buy a kegal ball, start fights, use it against you and all manner of other insecure shit. They'll internalize it's not the tightness real quick.

Post: #5

Thanks guys for your quick replies!
The stuff you say gringoed makes a lot of sense, I'll try that the next time the thoughts arise. The problem is I know this stuff rationally but get overwhelmed emotionally sometimes and I want to be able to take a step back in those situations and remind myself of what I have and am and that as you said, it's going to get better with age.

Regarding the porn: You guys are definitely right! I've tried quitting porn several times but I always end up watching it again (although very rarely), but like you said the message to the brain is exactly that.

@EndsExpect: I don't recall the situation completely but it was something like this, and in retrospect it wasn't by accident at all like I wrote above:
My girl more or less regularly comments on my dick being big (and like I said it's above average but certainly not horsecock or what I would consider big) and depending on the position it's painful for her and we have to switch positions or I have to be more gentle and a few times I've actually hurt her but not on purpose and we had to stop...

The thing with the other dude went something like this:
She commented in bed about how we had to be more careful tonight because I was big and her pussy was still hurting from the last time (not during sex but either after or before can't remember to be honest) and I said something like come on I'm not that big, I'm sure with the amount of previous partners you've had, you've had bigger (what a stupid thing to say and I honestly don't know why I voluntarily brought up the subject).
Not wanting to lie she said do you really want to know, and I was like yeah, so she told me that one of her ex boyfriends (long distance relationship, didn't last very long, not a lot of sex) was pretty big and that it hurt her during sex and that if I was a couple of cm's longer I'd be too much for her too probably).

So it was actually me that in some perverted twisted way wanted to find out and pressed the issue, and it freaked me out for the rest of the night and days afterwards. Although she's believably showing me that she's very much into our sex and that it's the best for her...

As you can see there's definitely lots of insecurity and weird stuff going on in my head regarding this issue.

Post: #6

I think you're just maturing. Science makes it pretty clear that women evolved to make cuckolds of men to ensure survival with best seed and resources; men evolved to dominate women to ensure paternity through patriarchal systems.
Hook up culture is degenerate, always has been. See how any former player laments not being able to find the kind of women he ruined in his youth.
You are only beginning to realize human nature, which cannot be undone, only ignored or managed.

Stay grounded, keep learning, and don't fear growth.

Post: #7

(07-11-2018 08:28 AM)musicalprodigy1 Wrote:  I think you're just maturing. Science makes it pretty clear that women evolved to make cuckolds of men to ensure survival with best seed and resources; men evolved to dominate women to ensure paternity through patriarchal systems.
Hook up culture is degenerate, always has been. See how any former player laments not being able to find the kind of women he ruined in his youth.
You are only beginning to realize human nature, which cannot be undone, only ignored or managed.

Stay grounded, keep learning, and don't fear growth.

Your probably right, hook up culture, at least in this extreme, is pretty degenerate.
Sometimes it's just that I'd like to be a part of it without any resentment and anxiety, especially since a lot of my other habits (no drinking, no smoking, healthy and mindful living, not being a part of social media, not blindly following consumerism) go against the grain of society and makes me isolate myself from a lot of people.

Post: #8

(07-11-2018 04:19 AM)filio Wrote:  Hey guys,

over the past few months I have identified a severe inner game issue of mine and seeing as I've gotten some really valuable feedback from this community in the past I'd like to describe it here and would appreciate any thoughts! I apologise for the long post, but I'd rather give a comprehensive overview of the situation.

I'm in my late twenties, my current girlfriend is also mid - late 20s, been together for two years, living in Europe. I will not get married and she knows that and honestly I cannot imagine having kids anytime soon, which may be an issue causing a break up in the future when she's nearing 30 and I don't want to impregnate her.

I eat healthy most of the time, I work out and am in very good shape, no alcohol, no caffeine, no cigarettes, masturbation no more than 1-2 times a month to porn, if even that, no more porn usage than that. I am physically healthy, had issues with alcohol and drug use in the past, clean and sober for 3.5 years now and the accompanying depression has also gotten much much better, no need for medication or cbt. I meditate daily and also do yoga several times a week.


I have noticed over the past that I somehow have a deep down issue with the hookup culture that is normal now in the western hemisphere. When I met my current gf we talked very openly about our sexual past (too openly, which was a mistake I later realised, but what is done is done).
Her notch count is around 15-20 (which I honestly consider a lot for a steady girlfriend of mine and she was just about mid twenties when we met) and mine is more or less the same.
We have a lot of sex, the sex is very good and even though she had a few partners before me she was still pretty inexperienced and has opened up a lot more sexually since then with me and regularly orgasmns now which didn't happen before.

Now before you ask why we're together, let me point out that she is head over heels in love with me and does everything for me and it really really shows. There's no contact to former lovers. I too am in love with her and the relationship is definitely worth having, with both partners looking out for each other.

Now every so often, maybe once a month I get this really strong bad feeling about her having fucked other dudes. A few nights ago I dreamed she hooked up with an aquaintance of mine (which she probably never did or doesn't even know!) and woke up in the middle of the night and coudn't get back to sleep. My head was racing, filled with thoughts and nasty images. Needless to say I'm really turned off with her in those moments.
A few months back the same thing happened when I found out by accident that a former ex of hers had a much bigger penis than mine (I'm slightly above average, so I shouldn't logically be having any issues with penis size, but somehow it freaked me out).
The whole night I couldn't sleep and the next day was ruined too.
Like I said these issues come up every few weeks and i feel bad the next day and then she's really sweet with me again and things return to normal.

I had similar issues with my last girlfriend. She was a virgin when I met her and I still got crazy jealous and had thoughts like those in my head, even though she literally didn't have anyone else inside her!

Another example:
Ever since I've gotten sober and have reflected more on my life and actions I sometimes get a bad feeling when I go out at night and see other people hooking up. Like why are they hooking up, look another slut just about to fuck another random dude etc. etc..
Instead of having fun and taking it easy and enjoying the night out with friends or alone gaming, my head sometimes (not all the time, most of the time I'm able to brush off these thoughts) gets caught up in all this bullshit.

I realise that the issue is mostly an insecurity with myself but I am at loss at how to properly act against it and make it go away.

Like I've written above I take care of my body and mind, I also try to read a lot, I've been red pill aware for maybe 6-8 years now.

But this inner game/confidence issue is definitely a big problem for me.
People wouldn't guess for a second that I'm having these problems. I appear to be very confident, self assured to other people and am good looking (i hear all of that regularly). I have some issues with my parents and childhood, had about half a year of cbt for it and it has helped a lot (overbearing mother, passive and angry father, both very intent on me performing in sports and school).

Jobwise I'm a surgical resident, so good money, social status etc..

Does anyone have any resources or ideas on how to combat the issue?
Do you think if my own notch count would get significantly higher and I had much more experience with girls that the issue would dissolve itself?

I'm grateful for any ideas and tips! Thanks!

It's not going to help the issue much if your notch count is higher. Our minds naturally devalue things the easier they are to attain. It's only natural that you question her value with information about her moderate levels of easiness.

Not all notches are created equal. There's a difference between all of those notches being mini relationships or valiant attempts at them versus a lot of them being drunken one night stands. Having a few really long relationships followed by a recent slut rampage would also be non-ideal. Unfortunately, 15-20 is high enough where there was clearly some casual stuff going on with some regularity, especially since she's probably leaving some out at that range. She probably is not counting the times she "just sucked a d." Then again she's old enough where those numbers aren't totally insane if she was getting dumped a lot or moving around or some other extenuating circumstance.

People are capable of having fun and then becoming choosier about who they want to settle down with. It doesn't sound like her ability to bond has been broken or anything. If you don't want to settle down long term you're just dealing with something we all deal with in relationships (an unattractive quality in our partner). Only you can decide if it bothers you so much that it outweighs her positive qualities. Since you don't plan on having kids or getting married I don't see it as nearly the deal breaker it could be.

Post: #9

"she is head over heels in love with me and does everything for me and it really really shows."

That alone used to be enough for me to highly value a woman, but it's actually not anymore. The reason is that women fall out of love just as easily as they fall in it. So I can't let the fact a woman is currently in love with me make me feel that special. As they say, "it's just your turn."

What tends to be missing in these assessments of women is anything else they bring to the table. Do you share common interests beyond sex? Does she ever say anything funny, quirky, profound? You know, stuff that would make her a good friend, not just arm candy. That's the kind of stuff I tend to miss the most when it's over. The sex can be more easily replaced.

Post: #10

Thanks jcardial for your honest and differentiated response!

I also realised, what questor70 pointed out, that the higher the number of partners in a women the more often she was "totally in love" and then onto the next guy. In this case with my current gf her friends, family and herself have somewhat proven that she's honestly never been in love like this before, but anyway, I believe her feelings are genuine, I know they can change, and I want to stay prepared as a man when that happens and be able to move on anyhow... She brings a lot of good qualities to the table that's why I am happy with her for the moment and want to keep her around. I'm going to see the hookup stuff like jcardial said, as a negative/ unattractive quality in her and that's it.

Still it's surprising for me that I have such a big problem with the whole hooking up stuff, especially since she isn't even my wife or mother of my children, but of course if strong emotions are involved I'm finding it harder to be completely rational, but I'm probably not the only one..

Thanks again guys for your input

Post: #11

Nothing good can come from talking about how many, what size and how big the load she swallowed with all those dudes before you.

Talk about other things, never go there.

Post: #12

I wouldn't ask too much about girl's past experience. Honestly, I find that many sloots feel guilt and will often tell you about their experiences if they feel like you're not too judgmental. I can't tell you how many ONS have been sitting on my bed post-bang and started telling me about ridiculous shit they've done with other guys.

I usually just listen and try not to smirk since she's giving me free insights into the female mind.

Post: #13

^this... I’ve had girls tell me how they fucked their bfs best friend after they finished swallowing my load. It’s fucked. I would avoid the conversation, and if she brings it up change the subject

Post: #14

Your "insecurities" and "sever inner game issues" are nature working at it's best.

Man was never intended to be comfortable with a woman who has been with 15-20 partners.

She has poor pair-bonding capability, and a high risk of cuckoldry.

I've been there before bro, it didn't end well.

Don't follow the herd and label your gut feeling as weakness. Respect what God is telling you, this girl is poor quality. She is "in love" with you because she sees you as the best option, not because her hormones tell her too. Her oxytocin has been fucked out of her, a long time ago.

I can't believe this forum is apologizing for her past; respect your gut feeling, detach and use her, replace her with a lower n-count.

Post: #15

I've been suffering retroactive jealousy since I became sexually active, probably since I've been dating since high school. I agree with you there is something undignified about hook up culture. I hate it too.

I wish I had some advice to beat this isssue, but I don't. All I can say is you're not alone. It sounds like we're in the same bind. Me and my gf are also in our late 20's. Only difference is I am a low status male if we're being honest. I have a shitty job and a liberal arts degree to boot. If it wasn't for my looks and athleticism I'd probably be an incel. Maybe I'm being hard on myself; the retroactive jealousy has been haunting my brain the past week.

My girlfriend's notch count is only five. What is bugging me though is she told me the details of her enconter. I have a hard time reconciling that the woman who wants to mother my children didn't mind being into some kinky shit. Much like your gf my gf is great. She's fun, we have all the same interest, she wants a large family, she goes to church, she even cooks me food and cleans my place for me. Despite these qualities I am still hung up on these details.

I wish I had some words of wisdom. The common answer seems to be to build more confidence. I saw one post on reddit saying, "you think a guy who thinks he's the shit isn't stressing about who she use to be fucking." So I am trying to subscribe to that school of thought.

Maybe we can appropriate this thread as a retroactive jealousy support group or something. Supposebly this is a bigger issue that a lot of men don't want to come forward about. If you make a break through, let me know. I wish you the best.

Post: #16

@OP: You are having problems digesting the red pill.

Sometimes when you are truly convinced it's gone down something pops up and triggers residual reactions to the poison you had to swallow.

@questor: This also used to be my only criterion. If a girl is head over heels in love with me and does everything she can to make me feel good, it can't get better, right? Then you discover, even if you're in a long relationship, it's just your turn. I'm often surprised by the mental gymnastics girls can perform to get over a serious boyfriend and how quickly many of them are able to move on. Even if she goes on a post-breakup slut rampage, and still can't get over me, she's ruined herself in my eyes, knowingly or unknowingly, so if she ever stood a tiny % chance, she now stands 0. The other part of the common post-breakup slut phase is that, as a girl, she can kick your ass in notch count within the few months after the breakup, because she is a girl, while you as a man have to work for it.

Post: #17

Sometimes I consider sobering up then I read threads like this and open another beer and roll a joint.

Post: #18

Good thread. But just confirms what a poster said about not swallowing RP, and simultaneously not being programmed to accept female promiscuity. The fact that women share that info is a good thing. Don't ever come off as judgemental because this increases the chances that she will lie so that she'll say what you want to hear. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They will all subsequently become "lying sluts."

Post: #19

OP needs to read this. /thread-51109...pid1775646
RE: Great Comments By RVF Members

(01-12-2018 02:20 PM)HagansAvenue Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 06:44 PM)Slam Wrote:  Alternatively, what if you find a mid-late 20s girl with a relatively low (but not zero) notch count. She has had a number of boyfriends before you, but is good company, relatively emotionally stable and sweet, and ready to live permanently in the US? She has a good deal of natural beauty (but is not what she use to be), but will cook for you, and is relatively cheery. She has her flaws but she is 70% of what you were looking for.

My question is: why not marry this girl?

Time waits for no man. Should you really throw back the 70% girl back into the pond in the hopes that you will get your 99% girl? Even when you are 40+ years old?

This is how divorce happens.

A mid-to-late 20's girl is going to put on a SHOW to let you know that she has a low notch count. Depending on what you consider low, if she's good-enough looking, she will have had at least one boyfriend who:

1. Blasted inside of her raw
2. Broke her heart

^If you think that dude can't come calling when she's engaged or married, I have ocean front property in Arizona I'd like you see...

It's also easy to underestimate how experienced a girl can be by her mid-to-late 20's. Maybe it was just a boyfriend (or two, or three), but a good looking girl who:

1. Went to college
2. Lived in a decent-sized city

Forget boyfriends, we're talking AT LEAST a double digit notch count.

Furthermore, if you're a man of means, she's going to hone in on that... You'd be amazed at the number of women who spent time in big cities that were in soft P4P relationships... she's going to have a damn good hustle and you're going to be ready for a "compromise..." This does not end well.

If she's small town, she's had her heart broken and her womb sprayed.

If she's big city... it gets infinitely more degenerate.

In the end, you're compromising your standards to make a lifetime commitment. You'll either be second to the boyfriend's ghost or she'll never respect you after being on the carousel.

Your standards or nothing... even though "nothing" is brutal and I respect that men want to have families. It's a shame.

Post: #20

(01-12-2018 02:20 PM)HagansAvenue Wrote:  Your standards or nothing... even though "nothing" is brutal and I respect that men want to have families. It's a shame.

Wow, Hagans really laid down some heavy wisdom there. Got a little sad there for a brief moment.

Post: #21

You aren't okay with how many dudes she's banged. If it's manifesting itself in dreams you have a big problem.

I had this problem with my ex from college. She'd only been with around 5 dudes, but I was vaguely acquainted with three of them. We went into too much detail with each other about past hookups.

I was with her for about 3 years, lived together for about half that. It definitely caused unnecessary drama. I'd bottle it up and lash out when we'd have a drunk fight or whatever. Not healthy.

If you aren't 100% committed and accepting of her past, there is an expiration date. Especially if you aren't going to marry or have kids with this girl. It's probably best if you let her go.

Post: #22

Thanks guys for all the comments! I have had some time to think about this stuff, those that talked about not having swallowed the whole pill are definitely right.
I'm re-reading the rational male at the moment and it's a good thing to have it layed out in front of me again..
I don't feel 100% committed and I can't accept her past enough for me to prolong the relationship for much longer.. not saying I want to break up tomorrow but like wi30 said there's an expiration date...
The thing Rollo talks about with female and male progress in life hits home... I feel like she has been able to have her fun in early twenties, now has a stable relationship with me (a somewhat high value guy, if I say so myself, not meaning to sound like a douche but I get the feeling that she's into the resources, stable monogamous commitment and also has a attractive partner who gets hit on by other women...) and I realise I don't want to make the sacrifices (time, money, resources, letting other girls go by etc.. etc...) this ltr entails and feel that she is benefiting much more from it all than me... She's planning the stable family, kids etc etc so she has her stuff in order, but I feel that she taking too much of my energy and time away from projects/bettering myself and actually creating a nurturing and healthy relationship. She's also quite clingy/has fear of loss, and that is causing a lot of issues between us...

Thanks again for all your input, I really appreciate all the life experience and thoughts that go into helping others here...

Post: #23

"I've been a rich man and I've been a poor man, and I choose rich every fucking time".
This quote is adaptable to many aspects of life.

You either fuck or you get fucked.

The rules of the game (The Game) have been set a millennium ago.

You can either accept them and be a player, together with all the benefits and problems it brings; or you can deny them, be bluepilled, struggle to find real love, wonder for years why you can't find decent wife material, fail and be miserable.

Yes, you will realise that all women are basically the same, all have at least a little bit of crazy in them, all are "selfish, impatient and a little insecure", to mention the evergreen thot quote.

Don't be jealous. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, end it and move on. Embrace the abundance mentality. Next every bitch the moment she starts getting on your nerves. Don't get attached to girls who don't deserve it.

Isn't it far better to have 20, 30 or 50 notches by the age of 30, to become a true player and an alpha, to understand the female mind and finally settle down with a good, decent, beautiful, 10 years your junior girl who will adore you and respect you because of the man you are; than to spend a decade or two desperately trying to turn three or four LTR girlfriends INTO wife material, failing every time, spending months recovering from oneitis caused by putting the pussy on the pedestal, rinse and repeat, falling in love again with the ideal image of a girl, realising she's not the one...?

After I tried to turn my last several long term GF's into wife material, and failed, I've made my choice.

Post: #24

I honestly wouldn't worry so much about it. It happens to almost everyone I know. It's anecdotal but it's what I've experienced. I am actually engaged and my fiancée have also had the same issues as well. Turns out that she's been cheated on and was quite devastated by it in the past. Since then and after we started dating, she told me she'd want to re-live some of it in a controlled space for exposure therapy so I've played out some role playing games with her about having lipstick or another womans perfume on my clothes. It's usually from a mutual friend of ours who understands out situation. It's gotten to a point where I bring home our friend and we get pretty frisky with each other in front of her. But I degress. I'd say it's perfectly normal that everyone goes through.

Post: #25

Being simultaneously Red Pill and sexually jealous has to be a living hell. Unless you want to chill yourself out on some antidepressants (which you don't), the only known treatment for retroactive sexual jealousy is cognitive behavioural therapy. The issue with CBT is that it serves to "break cognitive biases". In this case, your "cognitive bias" is that you think that your woman (or women in general) shouldn't slut around. So, the focus of the therapy would be on you accepting that women should be able to slut around with who and how many they like and then settle down with a nice guy like you. How well do you think such therapy works on Red Pill/game aware guys? Answer: It doesn't. It also doesn't work on the devoutly religious (another group for whom this is a big problem).

I wish I had advice, but it would be some amalgam of what is already on this thread. Don't marry this girl. Definitely don't knock her up (be very, very careful). And, eject when appropriate. Just know that if the next girl you end up with is a slut, you will have the exact same issues.

I would say you should consider unicorn hunting, but you said that you had a similar problem with a virgin. In that one specific circumstance, I might advise talking to someone to see what that is about. Did you think she was lying about being a virgin? If not, you should not be suffering from retroactive sexual jealousy. It could be some other issue.