Post: #51

(05-01-2018 02:33 PM)victorfrank Wrote:   I used to work for 30 hours straight. I was looking like a stone age man because used to skip shower and shave for 25 days straight and see no sun. The moment I put my head on pillow a new idea pops up and I run to PC again.
Im failing miserably in "women" area.

Good. Good for you.

This is exactly what I wanted to know. You've shown that you have the number one ingredient necessary to achieve what you desire

Congratulations

Determination.

If you apply yourself to learning a few game fundamentals and improving your physicality, and style with the same obsessive determination you will be more successful with women.

Let me ask you now. During building your apps to where they are now did everything work perfectly along the way? Did you make any mistakes? Did any ideas not work the first time that you then tried another way that did work?

Post: #52

@PT Okay nice to know that but I hope I dont put that determination to go to bottom in my life.

Yes there were many disappointments and one of them was trying to submit my app to apple appstore for about 140 times, trying in different ways just to experiment because it was not letting me submit because of some stupid errors.

Post: #53

(05-02-2018 01:35 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  Yes there were many disappointments and one of them was trying to submit my app to apple appstore for about 140 times, trying in different ways just to experiment because it was not letting me submit because of some stupid errors.

When submitting your app 140 times what guarantees did you have that it would a) ever be accepted or b) be successful once it was?

Did you do the exact same thing 140 times?

Post: #54

A) No guarantee but I thought I might be successful in attempts.
B) Competition was very low for my target niche.
C) Of course I didnt do the same thing repeatedly because it doesnt make any sense because it will never get accepted.

Post: #55

(05-02-2018 05:04 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  A) No guarantee but I thought I might be successful in attempts.

Bingo. This applies to every single thing and for every single man: whatever we want to achieve in life including success with women. That's why you have to stop caring about any single attempt because the only one (s) that count are the successes.

The irony is that the less you care about the failures the easier the successes will come. This is for several reasons not the least of which but lesson #1 for you is that women pick up on desperation (caring too much) and it kills their attraction response This is an immutable fact. Its biology. Even more counter-intuitive to newbies is the fact that you not caring at all about the outcome is irresistible to women

(I wrote a post about the "whys" of that here)

(05-02-2018 05:04 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  B) Competition was very low for my target niche.

Think of victorfrank as a consumer direct app with PTU's (pussy transport units) as your market . You need to make the product the best it can be. Looks, style, game are the primary features right. Focus on improving in each area and your market penetration (stupid pun intended) will naturally increase. Why? Because generally speaking all PTU's have the same "response codes" written in.

There's lots of competition for women's attention. But the vast majority of it is bad when it comes to men. Make improvements in your consumer "features" and the customers will start to come in.

Lesson #2 There are literally millions of "customers" (women in case you miss the analogy as nerds are wont to do) and you need relatively few "sales" to be happy. See lesson #1

(05-02-2018 05:04 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  C) Of course I didnt do the same thing repeatedly because it doesnt make any sense because it will never get accepted.

Again, bingo. Like anything else...you want different results you have to take different actions.

So lesson #3 Approach more. More approaches mean more opportunities Yes more approaches mean more failures but see lesson #1. Care less about each approach,

Homework :

Fix your diet

Get in gym and lift

Fix your style

(There are many threads and lots of great info for all of these on the forum. Its a great resource. Use it)

Fix your approaches. Lots of threads about that too. Search for member Giovonny's threads / posts. He comes to mind. There's a lot of practical value in his work

Go read Bang and Rational Male...not listen to...read. Most people (myself included) are visual learners versus auditory.

Go build the victorfrank app with the same determination as you would one for money and you will succeed

Post: #56

(04-27-2018 06:17 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  My fears came true. She stopped giving any fuck the day we met. I blew it away again. She replied and acted strange and lying shit that she has class even on a fucking sunday! Basically she made all kind of reasons to not seeing me again and she also said cooking is out of the question. Looks like my rough childhood will never let me stop being a retard. Why would any girl like me when I run out of things to say and my age is already 30 + double chin + pregnant woman's belly which I try to hide by pulling it in + when I look at my eyes in mirror I see a man in deep pain, so why wont anyone else notice that? Until I can change this (which I have no idea if it can be changed at this age at all) nothing good could come out of my approaches. Looks like its in my DNA to fuckup every situation (just like my parents).

@All who tried to help me here in this thread: Thanks a lot for your efforts and you dont know what it means to me.

You're desperately looking for excuses to externalize the blame and give up. You can't be in shape after 30? Just listen to yourself. Do some research on health and nutrition or just look around at the gym. There are plenty of middle aged and even borderline elderly guys who are muscular and have low body fat. Sure it takes more time to recover as you age, but stop being a big ol' bitch and looking for excuses to let your body go to shit. It will take some work but it's a much more straightforward fix than any of your other problems. Roger Federer just won a god damn grand slam at 36.

If you're financially secure and not a total freak show there will most likely be a girl out there willing to bang you. Be realistic about your expectations and get experience with girls in your league. Why would a hot 20 year old want a beer bellied guy who lacks confidence and thinks his double chin is inevitable when she can date the cocky captain of the football team. Your potential edge over a younger guy is experience, confidence and money, but if you only have one of those things you're going to need a shit load of it.

It's not that hard to be well balanced if you put in the work, but keep in mind that all guys want to bang hot girls and are also putting in the work so it's not going to happen over night or by learning a few tricks. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. You've got to get out and interact with people more. It's great that you're having some work success, but if you're in front of the computer all the time and you don't have any interests relevant to the women you encounter, you're going to come across as boring and naturally run out of things to talk about.

Post: #57

Frank, PT is giving some really good advice and I can vouch that he has shit together and is very succesfull.

You'd be wise to listen to him, it's clear he's investing in you and hoping you'll invest in yourself.

The fact he's slowly prying answers out of you and giving you logical advice is proof of that.

He's given you some homework to do, he's absolutely right the entire forum can help you study the subjects given.

Go forth and learn!

Post: #58

@PT Thanks for breaking it down for me. I will start homework immediately. I started reading Rational Male this morning. Reached page 40 till now with a few breaks. Slow absorber.

@jcardial "you're going to come across as boring and naturally run out of things to talk about." Spot on! Thats also a big problem for me right now. I dont know where I can interact with strangers easily. I want to be an "interacting" machine asap. My fucking face expression changes whenever someone talks to me. I make weird face expressions automatically, I try to stop doing that and act calm but shit is out of my control.

I know a few things like I have to work on what I wear but I feel like I have no dressing sense at all. I just see people in the streets and try to follow the trend.

Putting the fork down now to start kill kill the belly.

Post: #59

@kaotic yes I sensed he is going to do that while answeing. Im working on my shit

Post: #60

I love case like this because there are broadly applicable lessons. There are actually more non member readers in our audience than members and I agree with Roosh...

Game =pussy= saves lives...one IRT at a time if necessary

VF...youre on your way but remember...be patient...change takes time. You are "remodeling" your point of view and inner dialogue. If you keep posting your progress in here the RVF community will keep assisting

Thanks for the kind words kaotic. They mean a lot coming from you. Youre a real deal OG yourself dropping great game knowledge too...and a damn good looking young man. Dont think I havent noticed. If I was a chick Id fuck ya..(no homo)

Post: #61

@PT what is "IRT"? I dont know where to get the list of such abbrevations.

Post: #62

(05-02-2018 01:04 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  @PT what is "IRT"? I dont know where to get the list of such abbrevations.

Doesn't matter...its just a joke related to an Indian guy that was on the forum years ago that wouldn't listen.

Go do your homework or you wont get any pussy

Post: #63

I wish, I mean I really WISH that I find this forum when I was 15.

Post: #64

Me too

Post: #65

(05-02-2018 11:39 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  @PT Thanks for breaking it down for me. I will start homework immediately. I started reading Rational Male this morning. Reached page 40 till now with a few breaks. Slow absorber.

@jcardial "you're going to come across as boring and naturally run out of things to talk about." Spot on! Thats also a big problem for me right now. I dont know where I can interact with strangers easily. I want to be an "interacting" machine asap. My fucking face expression changes whenever someone talks to me. I make weird face expressions automatically, I try to stop doing that and act calm but shit is out of my control.

I know a few things like I have to work on what I wear but I feel like I have no dressing sense at all. I just see people in the streets and try to follow the trend.

Putting the fork down now to start kill kill the belly.

Weird in what way? Involuntary spasms like Tourettes? I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are maybe socially anxious from a lack of confidence and an all around hermit lifestyle.

Social lifestyle
An example of something you could go to is couchsurfing/international meetups. In many cities they happen as much as once a week and people are generally open to meeting new people. Even short conversations with complete strangers is better than nothing. Try to create a lifestyle where you're doing something social everyday. Even if it's just chatting with a personal trainer or whatever, it's much better than nothing at all.

I would also do English lessons or free language exchanges on sites like iTalki or elsewhere as much as you can. If you have an accent work hard on fixing it. A thick Indian accent will sound goofy to native English speakers. You don't have to be perfect, but the closer you get to sounding like a native speaker, the better you will be received. Like the gym, it's another fix that just takes time and effort.

Conversation
Being a good conversationalist involves a good mix of listening and providing interesting responses. People are generally giving clues about what they're interested in or options for where you can take the conversation but if you're anxiously preoccupied with what you will say next, you won't even notice. Get in the habit of paying attention to and remembering details about people. It helps to be as up to date as you can with current events and pop culture. There aren't many shortcuts for being a fun and interesting person. If you know a lot about the world from travel, reading and life experience people will enjoy talking to you much more than someone who has been living in a shell.

Post: #66

(05-03-2018 01:45 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  I wish, I mean I really WISH that I find this forum when I was 15.

(05-03-2018 07:03 AM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Me too

Stop wishing, stop complaining, and stop looking at the past.

Your future is FORWARD not backwards, YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE PAST BUT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR FUTURE.

Post: #67

@jcardial holy shit! You nailed it. Thats the name for those weird face expressions and I didnt knew it ever before "Spasms" "Tourettes". Before you said this I had no idea how to express this particular problem to anyone in my life. And yes I realised Im socially anxious, if someone or more people look at me or give attention I go into that weird mode before I know.

Noted other points.

@kaotic okay sir

@PT Im on page 101 of Rational Male. Has been reading it nonstop

Post: #68

@jcardial the face expression Im talking about is like people make just before they say "what the fuck?" But in my case it remains constant during normal conversatiion and laughter (if there is any laughter)

Post: #69

VF if you believe you have some form of Tourettes then I suggest you seek professional medical advice. This forum is not the place to get a diagnosis

Post: #70

Okay I think maybe I misunderstood what spasm or tourette really is. I think I make those faces because of social anxiety.

Update: Im about to finish Rational Male.

Post: #71

(05-04-2018 02:02 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  Okay I think maybe I misunderstood what spasm or tourette really is. I think I make those faces because of social anxiety.

Update: Im about to finish Rational Male.

I of course would also recommend seeking a professional opinion. You may have a tic disorder and it can only help to have more info about it and ways to reduce the symptoms. Anxiety can definitely trigger a transient tic.

If you hit the gym hard and get daily social exposure your confidence will increase and your anxiety will decrease, which could help to reduce or eliminate the tic. This advice is of course for entertainment purposes only. Take notes on the nature of your symptoms and what causes them and make an appointment with a neurologist, ideally one that has extensive experience with tics.

Post: #72

Today I was feeling confident and was trying to control those weird face expressions and today I came to know what a real interested woman looks like. 19 years chic was DTF today in 30 mins but was trapped by her cousin. She literally said "I like you" in 10 mins and was overwhelmed by our common interests and literally said "marry me" just out of excitement like 3 - 4 times. That chic and her cousin were looking at me like they are little girls watching some magic. When I was talking to her cousin, she tried to blow her off by saying "oh her boyfriend is not here bla bla bla". Her cousin said "He is cute". Im still thinking why the fuck were they behaving that way when I was looking my worst today. That chic said "Im busy with my school and exams these days but whenever you come back here call me for sure we will go to pub" she said this more than 5 times. All I was doing was being myself and not giving a fuck about anyone.