Post: #26

Of course buddy , I will not stay around

Post: #27

(04-10-2018 09:51 AM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Alright , guys .
Confirmed . She has a boyfriend for 3 years . Maybe she was shopping for better option as he doesn’t have a good job like mine .

Yeah just move on and ignore her man.

Post: #28

Will do . Thank you all

Post: #29

Another thought for me to learn :
I did have lunch with her last week . During, this lunch she asked a lot of questions: what do you do in the weekends, how many slibinga you have, how many laungages you speak ...etc.
I Play down a little bit while answering her questions for many reasons :
1- i barged before and she didn’t like it ( Wasn’t too much brag tho)
2- the way I saw if she was already intro me there is no point of DHV .

Could this push her away ? As she compared me to her boyfriend??

Post: #30

Just assume all girls who go show obvious indicators of interest are into you. It works for me.

Post: #31

(04-10-2018 04:26 AM)Montrose Wrote:  Girls’ IOI and flirting behaviour comes from their unconscious mind

Decision to accept dinner date and date you comes from the conscious ego.

Ego and unconscious mind are not always in tune, particularly in women. She is likely unconsciously attracted to you but her ‘reasonable’ ego has decided that you’re not a good prospect and rationalizes it (‘you’re Arab’).

It’s not a bad situation (much better than when the ego likes you but the unconscious doesn’t) but it’s difficult to untangle in a corporate environment.

nice explanation. I can get a positive reaction with plenty of IOIs from most of the women I approach at my college, but most will not give me their number, even though many of them are very obviously attracted. perhaps it is because they are very young (18-21) ? I feel like once I reached a certain level of confidence, the subconscious attraction has almost become a given.

Post: #32

It might be what you say or your body language once you have approached her. And yeah, in college its social circle game. You gotta show some social proof.

Post: #33

Guys,
Thank you for all your responses. Actually, the story has a lot more details . I will write below. With everything, she said and done . I couldn't believe she is not into me . When she rejected my advance she mentioned the bragging about my job. It turned out to be that she doesn't have a good job. They pay her less . She works at the same company as me, but I didn't know. So I decided to give it another shot and below are the details

Here what happened :

1- Gave it a week break back in April
2- Went to her again and we started joking and talking with no mention for what happened
3- We talked a lot .
4-Mistake # 1 : Other girls in the company got jealous because I do not give them the same attention. They stopped talking to her . She noticed . She told me lets be discreet about it .
5- During one of our conversation , I told her that I was not showing off about my job and I didn't that she doesn't have a good job . At this moment , her face lit up and she replied back "What's your favorite sports ?". I said " Tennis ". She replied " I should start watching Tennis " . Good sign . The flirting started back here with a lot of personal questions
6- During another conversation , she knew that I ride bike and she said " I'd love to do so too ". ALSO A LOT of TOUCHING till I had to warn her multiple times ( to break rapport plus I don't want people seeing us touching )

Why I didn't push for a date? Because She just blew me off after strong signs too a week ago. So I was not willing to risk it again , especially she is a coworker .

7- After a while, I asked her out again through text she replied " I have plans on Tuesday . But I love to go shooting sounds like fun". No counter offer , so I didn't suggest another time ( maybe mistake )
8- Hot & Cold push and pull
9- Then, another big good sign when she accidentally admitted she online stalks (Skype for business) me to see what I come and I leave and If I came to work . I playfully confronted her She said " I don't do it everyday".

10- I though game on. I asked her out again in person . I pushed a little hard because I am confident she likes me. She said "next week Tuesday or Wednesday but I needs to check on blah blah. I will try to make it though". . I told her this would be my last time to ask her out.

11- I thought about it at home and said fuck it. So I did not send a follow up text to confirm . and she never did.

12- Tuesday at work . This was the day we are supposed to go out . I was walking at work , not paying attention to her, looking at my phone. She said " Hi" to get my attention then I got distracted by coworker .

13- Other occasion , She gave puppy eye contact , I did not recuperate back because it would be too obvious at work .

14- She tried to put herself in position where I can talk . I just limited to minimum professional . Actually due to the circtuamacve too, people around eat.
15- Lot of IOI's

Also, at this point I have already asked her out three times so I would never do it again or bring it up or be entraining monkeys

1.5 month forward , she got engaged .

16- She still checks me out. One time, once she heard my voice and she was behind the desk . She jumped to just see me and say hi.


My conclusion :
1-She was either seriously thinking about dating me but there was friction due to religion, race and she has already long term commitment . She's kind of sweet and insecure .She wouldn't pull it off on her own without her sister and friends approval . (Supporting points to this her subconiuos body language , she was checking on me to see me if I am at work or not, tried to have conversation with me on the day we planned to go out )
or
2- She wanted me as back up in case of her boyfriend didn't propose . Not sure here . But she was eye balling me at the company gym a year ago since 2017. Also how she can fake her subconiuos signs and why would she check on me what time I come or I leave


Thoughts guys

Post: #34

Thoughts?

Your her beta orbiter.

Go find out what that is and why it is bad, then stop putting yourself in the nice guy orbiter position with women in the future.

And stop talking to her. Didn't people tell you to do this and you said you would stop and you still do it? You sound like the clueless Indians, Middle Easterners and autists who call into Roosh's show.

Especially do not have lunch with her. She's recently engaged for fucks sake. The only way a girl like this would get my attention would be if she showed up at my door naked. And even then I would be rude, dismissive and cold to her, as she does not deserve 100% of my love and attention even then.

Post: #35

Let me break it down to you in more details :

1- I did stop talking to her 2 months ago even before the engagement .
2- I only had lunch with her two times during 2.5 months
3- I only texted like 2 times in during 2.5 months
4- Our interaction was walking inside the company campus for 20 min. '
5- I walked with her like 6 times total . Once every one week or every two weeks. Other than that, I just said hi to her in the kitchen .
6- I know what is beta orbit because I saw it. Once or twice week interaction, I do not think of it as orbiting
7- I am not nice guy at all. Actually, I am more on the rude side . Example " she asked my help and said no you figure it out yourself .
8- Plus you teach me what is an attention whore has to gain from checking my online status or asking me deeply personal questions. She didn't have to as she is already getting my attention

I am not asking what should I do and trying to learn from mistakes . Also, I amount

Post: #36

No use arguing with me about it, it's obvious to many here that you are her orbiter. I'm not the only person to say it.

Even if you stopped orbiting her and are being rude to her, you are still thinking and writing about her. That's a sign of oneitis. Go find out what that is. You should have forgotten her by now.

Also how did you get a job in an office when you are not good at writing English? Other Egyptian guys hire you? You need good English to pick up American girls.

Post: #37

(09-05-2018 08:46 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  No use arguing with me about it, it's obvious to many here that you are her orbiter. I'm not the only person to say it.

Even if you stopped orbiting her and are being rude to her, you are still thinking and writing about her. That's a sign of oneitis. Go find out what that is. You should have forgotten her by now.

Also how did you get a job in an office when you are not good at writing English? Other Egyptian guys hire you? You need good English to pick up American girls.

What is my job has to do anything with our discussion ?
If you want to help, please help and be willing to listen to my opinion. Actually, I write well. I was writing quickly while sitting at Starbucks .
In addition, attention whoring and friend zone terms are overly used inside this forum.
I know what is onitis and I am guilty of it.
Only Koatic and you labeled me beta orbit. You said your part, and I really appreciated it .
I didn't say I have became rude to her after my rejection . I was saying I am not nice guy at all, even with my male friends. Also, I refused helping her on multiple occasions while trying to date her . So she knew I am not tolerating her BS and I can walk away at any time.

Post: #38

That's because you ARE her orbiter, you were just something she was toying but never had a chance with her.

Attention whoring and friend zoned are used alot because it's something we like to call the TRUTH.

She was using you for attention and knew you were her lap dog and would be there for her and talking to her.

You guys would talk up about meeting up after work and what happened? It never really happened now did it?

You're literally just her coworker friend she gets attention from.

You're so blinded by this pussy that's now engaged that you're STILL writing about her.

You opinion for the matter is wrong, you never had a chance with this chick, she was toying with you.


You hilariously took a "break" and walked away a few times, but somehow you're still talking to her and writing about her.

We've listened, we've read, we've reasoned with you, you still refuse to accept the unbiased truth people who are seeing it for what it is.

You're clueless about chicks intentions and how they act.

Post: #39

1- Dude, I have not talked to her since two months . Who said I am?
2- If I didn't look back at what I did, how would I learn? I fucked up, maybe . I had a bad game, maybe. I don't deny this. I was not orbiting her . She is the one who stalked me serval times .
3- For the meeting after work, I am the one who didn't follow through with the plan. I have never sent a confirmation . We agreed on it a week in advance . I didn't follow up on this and I left at this point. She could have flaked , true and she couldn't . I do not know never follow through.
4- Please for the God Sake, I am writing in retrospect to learn the mistake for the next time, not because I am obsessed .
5- Honestly, it would be easier for me to call her attention whore because this means I didn't fuck up . I think I did .
6- You have to remember I wasn't giving her too much attention . I talked her in beginning of June , then at the end of June.

Okay, Koatic, tell me how do I pursue a chick without being her orbit ? Tell me for the next time .
Here what I did , correct me
1- During 2.5 months, I was not actively pursuing her . I traveled and she travelled . After I asked her out for the first time, I planned to ask her one more time while building rapport and then leave her . It took 2.5 months because of the logistic ( Travels )

2- During my interactions with her , she called me mean 3 times or more. She asked my help 3 times I declined. She got upset, I didn't bother .She came back. ( Is this nice guy scenario !!) I am asking seriously .

3- I have not had lunch with her after the first time. I Only went for 20 min walk once a week or once every two weeks. While walking, I ordered her to sit, she would sit. I playfully told her to be quit , she would shut up ( is this nice guy approach )

4- Dude, she asked me what was your favorite sport. I replied Tennis she said "I should start watching Tennis". Then, she followed up what have you done in your weekend and asked about specfics ( I took this as sign, please let me know if it was not.)By the way, this was another flirting session after the first time she flirted with me .
Honestly the only reason I asked her out again was because she admitted she checked on me to see me if I came to the office or not . She accidently said that . Considering everything else, I thought this is a sign so I proceeded to ask her out again ( maybe was wrong sign, you tell me )

I did ask her out in person, I felt she was not so excited . I did not follow through with the plan. ( Where is the beta approach here). On the day , we were supposed to hang out , she put herself in my way at work. She called my name to say "Hi" while I was not even looking at her way. I just replied "Hi back" and continued on my way ( Is this beta ) .

Man, I am serious I am not urging . I really want to learn. So if the signs I saw were not actually signs, let me know .
I can assure you, I am not thinking about it. I just want to know for next time.

Post: #40

So what do you, guys , want me to do ? Every time I fuck up, I just go and repeat the same mistakes. I am writing in details for you, guys, to point out. Because next time, I want to know the difference. She gave me strong IOI's. And I am getting a lot of them those days from different chicks, I want to know .

Post: #41

Stop pursuing girls at work - I dont give a shit if they work in different departments. This solves your #1 and #2.

No it's not the nice guy scenario, but you didn't adjust your game at all for this scenario.

Her calling you mean was teasing you, and you could've parlayed helping her into favors for you or an actual date.

Walks don't solve anything if you keep doing them and get no results - you don't even have taking girls on date right.

You can't accomplish shit in 20 minutes if you don't have any skills to begin with.

Telling a girl sit and be quiet like a dog playfully isn't nice guy game.

Why the hell would you play nice guy game to begin with? If you're inexperienced like yourself, this is a direct path to the friendzone.

She admitted stalking you online so you'd fall back into her orbit of talking to her.

You asked her out, your guy said she wasn't excited, so you didn't follow through, that's not beta/alpha.

Get that beta/alpha bullshit out of your head, the world isn't black and white dude.


She put herself in your way because you didnt follow through on plans and you didnt respond back to her.

So she went out of her way to say hi to you, just like a dog getting a treat so the dog stays loyal to the owner.


THE SIGNS YOU SAW AREN'T SIGNS AT ALL - she was literally flirting with you to get attention.


With girls it's real simple:

1. Approach them, game them, number close.
2. Use text game sparingly, set up a day place and time to meet up (don't do lunch or dinner, meet for drinks or some place fun)
3. Game them on the date, let them do all the talking, give them leading questions, flirt, do some kino - see how they react.
4. End the date with a makeout, or get them back to your place or theirs.

With 1 and 2 you automatically know if a girl is interested in you by giving you her number and agreeing to meet up with you.

With 3 and 4 is where you find out if the girl is actually attracted to you emotionally/sexually/etc this is where games come into play. As in what you say, how she reacts, physical touching, her body language etc.

Always accept a girls actions as the truth, NOT her words.


Also, for god sakes please take time writing out your thoughts, you're all over the place and constantly misspelling.

Post: #42

Thanks, Kaotic .

Again I am not urging . I am learning

1- I was not trying to play the nice guy game. I was telling you this is what I have done or said . I was asking your feedback, and proving I wasn't the nice guy.
2- I totally agree that what has complicated the situation is the work environment ( my fault ).
3- Man, let me tell you something. There's a lot of sex in the workplace and I think you can get away with this. My coworker has slept with our HR. Anyway, this topic is for another discussion.
3- Also, I was thinking she might cheat or leave her boyfriend . This is why I didn't push hardly for “a date” . I wanted to build more rapport in non-pressure environment like workplace where she has some plausible deniability.

4-I totally agree with you on focusing on actions not words, and actually this is what I did. I waited for the actions . I will list them below for you to judge and let me know .

A) Deep eye contact (almost staring) at the company gym a year ago. This happened multiple times. I didn't pursue her at this time because of other personal stuff. She continued for a month or two then she gave up. She had a lot of male coworkers hitting on her anyway at this time.

B)She rubbed my biceps two times while I am wearing short sleeves .

C) She put her arm under my arm ( like how couples walk ) at one occasion .

D) She tried to start conversation with me at many times.

All of the above happened before I went and started hitting on her . Honestly, I thought she was just touchy-feely and friendly.

G) I went and talked to her. She was breathing heavily .She was playing with ear lobe and her hair while I was talking to her.( sub-conscious sign ) I thought it was strong sign.

H) I asked her for lunch inside the company campus.

J) During lunch, she asked me too many personal question ( what do you do in your weekend, hobbies, family, age, ....etc.).She slapped me on my arm and telling me I was funny .

R) I playfully told her I didn’t know where she is from . She looked down in disappointment, asking me “ You don’t know where I am from”

T) I talked about my job. She didn’t like this as she has low-level job ( I didn’t know this at the time)

O) In the elevator after lunch, her body was open for a kiss or hug. I am good at reading body languages

Y) My worker saw her after the lunch and told me she was so happy .

You, guys, might ask why I couldn't pull it off. My thinking is either I screwed up at one point (bad game) or she changed her mind about leaving her boyfriend .


Please I do not really care that much about the outcome, I care about my interpretation. please correct me if I am wrong

Post: #43

This is going to be my last post to you, you're becoming obsessive over this when you should be moving on.

You're reading way into what this woman has done.


A woman can flirt, even kiss you and it can meant not a single thing.

If you aren't fucking her, then it doesn't matter.


I'm going to reiterate this one more time since you don't understand, by avoiding girls at work you make your life less complicated, I don't give a shit whose banging who at work.

If you're so good at reading body language and you had all these opportunities, why didn't you make your move? Obviously you know better than us right? Why didn't you do it?

You were just a pawn to her, and so is her boyfriend/fiance.

Why would you waste more time and deal with a girl like this? You don't think she'd pull this shit on you if she was dating you? Of course she would.

In the future if a girl flirts, make sure it's just not for attention and it's the real deal.


I'm done with this conversation, you've gotten plenty of advice.


Get over this girl and move on, and stop fucking around at work.

Post: #44

Thanks, Kaotic .
Points taken.
Actually, this was my main question. How can I tell if the girl who is flirting not just for attention? What I listed above was my interpretation for her signs. What signs do you guys would go for them as clear indicators ?


easy bro. I said I am good at body language. This is it. Why I didn't pull it off because I am not good at gaming yet.

I know she would do this if she is dating me, but I planned to fuck her only for a month or so. Please I like the thrill of the chase .

Post: #45

Just to second what other people are saying here, unless your creampie is taking up space in her pussy, she should not be taking up space in your head. Find something else to think about. Find your mission in life, which should be anything besides getting pussy.

Post: #46

Thanks, dude. And thank you all for the advice . I was just trying to learn from mistakes

Post: #47

(09-05-2018 07:55 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Guys,
Thank you for all your responses. Actually, the story has a lot more details . I will write below. With everything, she said and done . I couldn't believe she is not into me . When she rejected my advance she mentioned the bragging about my job. It turned out to be that she doesn't have a good job. They pay her less . She works at the same company as me, but I didn't know. So I decided to give it another shot and below are the details

Here what happened :

1- Gave it a week break back in April
2- Went to her again and we started joking and talking with no mention for what happened
3- We talked a lot .
4-Mistake # 1 : Other girls in the company got jealous because I do not give them the same attention. They stopped talking to her . She noticed . She told me lets be discreet about it .
5- During one of our conversation , I told her that I was not showing off about my job and I didn't that she doesn't have a good job . At this moment , her face lit up and she replied back "What's your favorite sports ?". I said " Tennis ". She replied " I should start watching Tennis " . Good sign . The flirting started back here with a lot of personal questions
6- During another conversation , she knew that I ride bike and she said " I'd love to do so too ". ALSO A LOT of TOUCHING till I had to warn her multiple times ( to break rapport plus I don't want people seeing us touching )

Why I didn't push for a date? Because She just blew me off after strong signs too a week ago. So I was not willing to risk it again , especially she is a coworker .

7- After a while, I asked her out again through text she replied " I have plans on Tuesday . But I love to go shooting sounds like fun". No counter offer , so I didn't suggest another time ( maybe mistake )
8- Hot & Cold push and pull
9- Then, another big good sign when she accidentally admitted she online stalks (Skype for business) me to see what I come and I leave and If I came to work . I playfully confronted her She said " I don't do it everyday".

10- I though game on. I asked her out again in person . I pushed a little hard because I am confident she likes me. She said "next week Tuesday or Wednesday but I needs to check on blah blah. I will try to make it though". . I told her this would be my last time to ask her out.

11- I thought about it at home and said fuck it. So I did not send a follow up text to confirm . and she never did.

12- Tuesday at work . This was the day we are supposed to go out . I was walking at work , not paying attention to her, looking at my phone. She said " Hi" to get my attention then I got distracted by coworker .

13- Other occasion , She gave puppy eye contact , I did not recuperate back because it would be too obvious at work .

14- She tried to put herself in position where I can talk . I just limited to minimum professional . Actually due to the circtuamacve too, people around eat.
15- Lot of IOI's

Also, at this point I have already asked her out three times so I would never do it again or bring it up or be entraining monkeys

1.5 month forward , she got engaged .

16- She still checks me out. One time, once she heard my voice and she was behind the desk . She jumped to just see me and say hi.


My conclusion :
1-She was either seriously thinking about dating me but there was friction due to religion, race and she has already long term commitment . She's kind of sweet and insecure .She wouldn't pull it off on her own without her sister and friends approval . (Supporting points to this her subconiuos body language , she was checking on me to see me if I am at work or not, tried to have conversation with me on the day we planned to go out )
or
2- She wanted me as back up in case of her boyfriend didn't propose . Not sure here . But she was eye balling me at the company gym a year ago since 2017. Also how she can fake her subconiuos signs and why would she check on me what time I come or I leave


Thoughts guys

Good points from Kaotic. Girls love attention whoring, some more than others. Its life, you got to move on.
She initiated touching, you warning her against it which doesn't make sense. Reciprocate and go for the date straightaway, texting her later will not help, the moment is gone. She rejects you twice, that is a sure sign that she's not interested. It was time to ignore her completely. But you were still into her, and she took advantage of it.
Its hard not to reciprocate when girls show 'obvious' signs of attraction but with experience you will know which ones are real and when to hold back.
Most importantly, don't date co-workers.

Post: #48

(10-01-2018 10:27 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:55 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Guys,
Thank you for all your responses. Actually, the story has a lot more details . I will write below. With everything, she said and done . I couldn't believe she is not into me . When she rejected my advance she mentioned the bragging about my job. It turned out to be that she doesn't have a good job. They pay her less . She works at the same company as me, but I didn't know. So I decided to give it another shot and below are the details

Here what happened :

1- Gave it a week break back in April
2- Went to her again and we started joking and talking with no mention for what happened
3- We talked a lot .
4-Mistake # 1 : Other girls in the company got jealous because I do not give them the same attention. They stopped talking to her . She noticed . She told me lets be discreet about it .
5- During one of our conversation , I told her that I was not showing off about my job and I didn't that she doesn't have a good job . At this moment , her face lit up and she replied back "What's your favorite sports ?". I said " Tennis ". She replied " I should start watching Tennis " . Good sign . The flirting started back here with a lot of personal questions
6- During another conversation , she knew that I ride bike and she said " I'd love to do so too ". ALSO A LOT of TOUCHING till I had to warn her multiple times ( to break rapport plus I don't want people seeing us touching )

Why I didn't push for a date? Because She just blew me off after strong signs too a week ago. So I was not willing to risk it again , especially she is a coworker .

7- After a while, I asked her out again through text she replied " I have plans on Tuesday . But I love to go shooting sounds like fun". No counter offer , so I didn't suggest another time ( maybe mistake )
8- Hot & Cold push and pull
9- Then, another big good sign when she accidentally admitted she online stalks (Skype for business) me to see what I come and I leave and If I came to work . I playfully confronted her She said " I don't do it everyday".

10- I though game on. I asked her out again in person . I pushed a little hard because I am confident she likes me. She said "next week Tuesday or Wednesday but I needs to check on blah blah. I will try to make it though". . I told her this would be my last time to ask her out.

11- I thought about it at home and said fuck it. So I did not send a follow up text to confirm . and she never did.

12- Tuesday at work . This was the day we are supposed to go out . I was walking at work , not paying attention to her, looking at my phone. She said " Hi" to get my attention then I got distracted by coworker .

13- Other occasion , She gave puppy eye contact , I did not recuperate back because it would be too obvious at work .

14- She tried to put herself in position where I can talk . I just limited to minimum professional . Actually due to the circtuamacve too, people around eat.
15- Lot of IOI's

Also, at this point I have already asked her out three times so I would never do it again or bring it up or be entraining monkeys

1.5 month forward , she got engaged .

16- She still checks me out. One time, once she heard my voice and she was behind the desk . She jumped to just see me and say hi.


My conclusion :
1-She was either seriously thinking about dating me but there was friction due to religion, race and she has already long term commitment . She's kind of sweet and insecure .She wouldn't pull it off on her own without her sister and friends approval . (Supporting points to this her subconiuos body language , she was checking on me to see me if I am at work or not, tried to have conversation with me on the day we planned to go out )
or
2- She wanted me as back up in case of her boyfriend didn't propose . Not sure here . But she was eye balling me at the company gym a year ago since 2017. Also how she can fake her subconiuos signs and why would she check on me what time I come or I leave


Thoughts guys

Good points from Kaotic. Girls love attention whoring, some more than others. Its life, you got to move on.
She initiated touching, you warning her against it which doesn't make sense. Reciprocate and go for the date straightaway, texting her later will not help, the moment is gone. She rejects you twice, that is a sure sign that she's not interested. It was time to ignore her completely. But you were still into her, and she took advantage of it.
Its hard not to reciprocate when girls show 'obvious' signs of attraction but with experience you will know which ones are real and when to hold back.
Most importantly, don't date co-workers.

Thank you

Post: #49

This used to happen to me when I worked with alot of women. They all used me for validation in one form or another. I thought I was a stud but I underestimated women's need for validation. The best way to tell if a woman wants to hook up or just using you for validation would be plausible deniability. Mention an activity that you both enjoy and suggest doing that. Don't ask her OUT out, just be discreet. This way if she says no you still maintain your value.

I actually discovered this because female co-workers were doing it to me. We had a new female hire and within the first week she asked me where I lived and then told me she lived in the same area. I told her that was cool and maybe we would run into each other one day. She took it to the next level and invited me over for dinner. I ended up sleeping with her but she never overtly flirted with me at work. At most, she would accidentally bump her ass into me. She was a woman who was genuinely attracted sexually.

Another female coworker went from shit testing me to using sexual innuendos to trying to make me jealous. But she never once used plausible deniability.

Eventually I ended up hooking up with another female coworker who told me she saw me at a club. This was when I finally learned the art of plausible deniability and said "yeah we should definitely grab a drink sometime". We exchanged numbers and met outside of work.

The ones that were overt with me rarely tried to see me outside work. I was just workplace validation. The ones that were sexually attracted would bump their asses into me, lick their lips and twirl their tongue when they walk by, or suggest a casual hang out.

What does this tell you? Women are the real seducers and they always know what they are doing. It is not an accident you were flaked on. It's not even an accident why you are frustrated.

Nothing is an accident. If you have to wonder if she is using you for attention then she is. If she really wanted to hook up, it's move number 9 in Cosmo magazine's "10 ways to seduce a guy " that says "ask him to casually do an activity with you that both of you like so you don't look desperate". Everyone woman knows that move.

Next time a woman confuses you, just use the same move. If she doesn't want to be alone with you, she gets no more validation.

Post: #50

Basic attention whore. Nothing new under the sun.