Post: #551

Thabo's comments are hardly surprising. RSA has a history of being xenophobic, even attacking African immigrants, because they "took away their jobs". But how exactly is an immigrant, who swam through crocodile infested waters and arrived with no cash, hustled to save money and open up his little shop etc., taking away someone's job, when in fact that south african had that very same opportunity all along, if he had only put his mind to it.

Post: #552

It is funny to me seeing you guys try to use reason and facts against people like Thabo. It is like arguing with a woman using facts.

Post: #553

(08-26-2018 03:10 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 02:49 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  ...

Whites are free to go back to Europe, we Africans ill just take back what rightfully belongs to us. Boers can go to Russia or Georgia they won't be missed. Whites stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

"Whites stole this, whites stole that, kill all whiteys"...boo fucking hoo, troll. Go cry me a fucking river. Troll's constantly bitching about what happened in the past.

Pathetic human being.

Post: #554

South Africa has been on this path for many years. It isn’t new and it isn’t recent. It’s been a slow decline and death.

1) fall of Rhodesia and the white tribal divide. The white South Africans were split between the hardcore Afrikaans- speaking Boers who ran the country and the moderate to left / soft British. These two groups have always been divided and are still divided. The Rhodesians whites were 100% British. The Boers looked at the Rhodesians as friendly enemies. There was some half-hearted cooperation and also some acts of subversion. There were a few instances of military cooperation, and then there were other instances of the South Africans conduction anti- Rhodesians operations amongst the tribal groups in the South African / Rhodesian border regions. Rhodesia should have been kept as a buffer state and it would have deflected some international criticism from South Africa.

The South Africans we not too sad to see Rhodesia fall- they picked up a steady stream of white settlers and very capable white men from the former Rhodesian Army joined the South African army after Mugabe took over.

The Boer / British divide is still there. When Zuma took over South Africa he made a cabinet of all men- he was criticized for having no women within his inner circle (except for the women he fucked on the side). He was a man’s man- he even said if the Zulu saw a gay they would kick his ass. When Zuma spoke of the whites, he referred to the Boers as true South Africans. He said they were the only white African tribe and praised them for their contributions for the country. He said they are also the white tribe that is here to stay- all of the British whites carry two passports and leave at a moment’s notice. Therefore, they are not part of the white tribe. There were lots of articles on this back when he came to power-
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/...s-20090402

2) No real attempt at establishing Bantustans. When we think of Stans we mostly think of the Middle East or Central Asia. South Africa made quite a few self governing and independent homelands for the blacks called Bantustans. The leaders of these independent areas often clashed with the ANC- and there were some instances of black Homeland forces fighting and killing ANC forces. South Africa could have done a better job with this homeland project and actually used it to cut off support for the ANC. There was some question as to whether these independent territories would rejoin South Africa after the fall of apartheid. The ANC viewed those who ran these areas as traitors- but they were often bureaucrats and technocrats who soon were able to move into the South African government.

3) end of the Cold War. The conditions that allowed South Africa to exist simply evaporated overnight. Once the Russians / Cubans / East Germans pulled out of Angola and the bush war started to die down the people grew soft. The SJW pressure that had been deflected because they were fighting communism also started to grow.

4) P W Botha has a stroke. This was the beginning of the end for South Africa. Had he remained healthy there would have been no handover to the ANC. He was called the Crocodile and he would not have abandoned white rule. Later on he refuses to appear before the truth and reconciliation commission. When he dies he is offered a state funeral by Mbeki, and it is even rumored that Mbeki was shedding tears at his funeral.

5) F W Klein takes over from P W Botha after the stroke and hands over the reigns of the country to the ANC. He is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. He relishes the spotlight and feels self righteous about what he has done. He even has a hard time traveling anymore because people protest him as a racist and there is a movement to revoke his peace prize award. Eventually he has a falling out with the ANC and has been a critic of the South African government. Unsure what he really thinks today.

6) BEE- black economic empowerment. This is MUCH bigger than the shitty land grab. Whites have no future in South Africa due to BEE. The only way you have a future is if you leave or have your own business. BEE has been going on for years. It’s law in South Africa. In the West we have affirmative action- in South Africa you have the reverse- the white apartheid system is replaced with the black apartheid system where whites are systematically and legally excluded from the workforce. All that is left is self employment and farming. And now they are coming for the farming.

If you do business in South Africa (like a multinational doing a joint venture), you have to get a BEE partner- a black owner who will share in the profits. This person will do nothing but lend you legal compliance. They are black and put their name on the ownership and share the profits. This BEE partner isn’t some common person on the streets- it’s always someone very rich and very connected to the ANC party apparatus.

Post: #555

(08-26-2018 08:52 PM)frozen-ace Wrote:  If you do business in South Africa (like a multinational doing a joint venture), you have to get a BEE partner- a black owner who will share in the profits. This person will do nothing but lend you legal compliance. They are black and put their name on the ownership and share the profits. This BEE partner isn’t some common person on the streets- it’s always someone very rich and very connected to the ANC party apparatus.

That is what is happening in the US as well - many so-called black businesses that are qualified to apply for the 20% of turnover that big corporations have to give them - they are owned by White and Jewish super-rich most of the time. The black CEO is often not even operating the company, but just signing his name and looking good in some public meetings. The real economic ownership can be 70% White and it will be qualified as a black- or non-White Hispanic owned business. And even the remaining 30% - they can be leveraged with obligations that the black partner has to sign, which essentially means that he or she does not own anything, but gets a fat paycheck for doing close to nothing.

I expect the most productive businesses to be operated that way until the country becomes utterly dysfunctional of course. So the 0,1% will still be operating within that system - but for the overwhelming majority of Whites there won't be much of a future.

Post: #556

(08-26-2018 11:19 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:58 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:48 AM)MANic Wrote:  I'm out for now - unproductive blabbering is not my forte. If S.A proceeds with this current strain of radicalism its demise is certain and I suspect every victim of this populist savagery will enjoy its cascade into violence and anarchy, once they're distant and safe.

If I were you I would worry about India's problems not South Africa's. Your opinion means nothing to natives of the land and you are just as parasitic as the settlers who came before you.

What is this passive aggressive bullshit?

This may come as a shock to you but we're in the FUCKING SOUTH AFRICAN THREAD, DISCUSSING SOUTH AFRICA, not the India thread discussing India. What else would we talk about?

Shut your stupid ass up. You have no idea about the previous debate between me and that Indian troll, I was just putting him in his place and I will put you in yours too.

Post: #557

(08-26-2018 11:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Oh, he's almost certainly a noodle-limbed socialist faggot posting from mommy's basement, larping as a black man from SA. College level grammar with millennial turn of phrase. Even the local sock pupetteers are not this committed. Then try to find me one legitimate South African with those traits who bothers to learn his own history in that detail and who also knows this forum from a bar of soap.

Probable chronic masturbator who injured his jerking hand trying to learn how to punch a Nazi and now has to fill time doing stuff with his keyboard hand only.

Building up those imaginary white guilt passes he likes to fantasise will allow him to like totes fistbump with a real black guy one day, and maybe cause the black girls to at least not look at his pallid, oily face like he's a third degree burns victim.

Viva la revolution, comrade! Occupy moms kitchen and seize the means of producing pop tarts!

Stop projecting your obsession with faggots. You know nothing about South Africa except your own ignorant remarks. I know this forum when it used to legit be about pick up but since it became a WN hangout about American problems I lost interest until you all started spewing BS about my homeland. Try nofap breh it might help you with your fapping disorder. I see you're obsessed with fapping and faggots you might want to come out of the closet.

Post: #558

(08-26-2018 01:20 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  Talking about who was actually there first.

You actually believe that I I legitimately believe that Boers and Saffas are the most deluded people on earth.

Post: #559

(08-26-2018 03:51 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  Thabo's comments are hardly surprising. RSA has a history of being xenophobic, even attacking African immigrants, because they "took away their jobs". But how exactly is an immigrant, who swam through crocodile infested waters and arrived with no cash, hustled to save money and open up his little shop etc., taking away someone's job, when in fact that south african had that very same opportunity all along, if he had only put his mind to it.

I hope you keep that same energy with migrants going into Europe and America, but we both know that you're full of BS when it comes to illegal immigration.

Post: #560

(08-26-2018 04:34 PM)Pride male Wrote:  It is funny to me seeing you guys try to use reason and facts against people like Thabo. It is like arguing with a woman using facts.

I am the only one who brought facts to the table and land expropriation will continue with no stalling.

Post: #561

(08-26-2018 07:24 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 02:49 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  ...

Whites are free to go back to Europe, we Africans ill just take back what rightfully belongs to us. Boers can go to Russia or Georgia they won't be missed. Whites stole our land and they will return it whether they like it or not.

"Whites stole this, whites stole that, kill all whiteys"...boo fucking hoo, troll. Go cry me a fucking river. Troll's constantly bitching about what happened in the past.

Pathetic human being.

Whites stole it and they will return it all whether they like it or not. Nobody is crying about expropriation except whites ironically.

Post: #562

MOOOOOOOM!!!

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING POP TARTS!?!

I TOLD YOU SPECIFICALLY!!!

FUCKING LAZY BOURGEOIS ASSHOLES!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!11!1!1!1!!

Post: #563

(08-27-2018 03:33 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:34 PM)Pride male Wrote:  It is funny to me seeing you guys try to use reason and facts against people like Thabo. It is like arguing with a woman using facts.

I am the only one who brought facts to the table and land expropriation will continue with no stalling.

You don't bring any facts - just throw out communist tropes, then march off huffing victory.

Victory is when you show us a highly functional black-led country. Kicking out the people who actually created and built South Africa is not going to create your Wakanda.

You don't "put anyone into his place" with communist slogans and claims of stolen land. It's not as if land per se is such an incredible creator of wealth itself. And we are no longer in a system where agriculture is the most defining part of an economy. Zimbabwe has most of the land in black hands and so have most of African countries. And no - militarily speaking they would have lost were it not for globalist decision to end the fight.

Post: #564

(08-27-2018 04:24 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 03:33 AM)Thabo Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:34 PM)Pride male Wrote:  It is funny to me seeing you guys try to use reason and facts against people like Thabo. It is like arguing with a woman using facts.

I am the only one who brought facts to the table and land expropriation will continue with no stalling.

You don't bring any facts - just throw out communist tropes, then march off huffing victory.

Victory is when you show us a highly functional black-led country. Kicking out the people who actually created and built South Africa is not going to create your Wakanda.

You don't "put anyone into his place" with communist slogans and claims of stolen land. It's not as if land per se is such an incredible creator of wealth itself. And we are no longer in a system where agriculture is the most defining part of an economy. Zimbabwe has most of the land in black hands and so have most of African countries. And no - militarily speaking they would have lost were it not for globalist decision to end the fight.

Wakanda is pure fiction from A Marvel comic book surely you understand that? Blacks built and created South Africa. Rhodesians got their asses kicked militarily so bad they couldn't do anything when the land was taken. It's funny you decry globalists when Rhodesia and South Africa were globalist creations from Cecil Rhodes but your stupidity is hilarious either way.

Post: #565

Oh boy.

Post: #566

Looks like we're going to need a bitchute tag.

The guy the_donald was fighting for seems to have disappeared except for there and unfortunately I lost the url. Yeah, I'm not impressed with me either.

I could only find this on youtube. Still pretty bad.

Post: #567

https://www.rt.com/business/437051-south...-anc-says/

One tweet from Trump and they are afraid!

A bill allowing the South African government to seize private land without compensation has been withdrawn by the Portfolio Committee on Public Works pending further study, according to the ruling African National Congress.

Post: #568

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safri...SKCN1LD0U7

Quote:CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - Britain supports South Africa’s land reform program provided it is carried out legally, Prime Minister Theresa May said in Cape Town on Tuesday, adding that she would discuss the issue with President Cyril Ramaphosa.

“The UK has for some time now supported land reform. Land reform that is legal, that is transparent, that is generated through a democratic process,” May told reporters.

So, wait a minute, you mean to tell me that May supports land reform, which amounted to all but theft of the white farmers in the bill that was about to be passed before Trump called them out on their bullshit, as long as that "land reform" is all done legally? Seriously?

This bitch. You have got to be shitting me. To top it all off, she was recorded dancing happily as could be. Do you notice anything about this video?

No time for the white South Africans. Wouldn't want to bring any attention to them and their plights in light of recent events, now would we?

What a spit in the face to the British and European diaspora in South Africa. Disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.

Post: #569

(08-28-2018 03:33 PM)Contagion Wrote:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safri...SKCN1LD0U7

Quote:CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - Britain supports South Africa’s land reform program provided it is carried out legally, Prime Minister Theresa May said in Cape Town on Tuesday, adding that she would discuss the issue with President Cyril Ramaphosa.

“The UK has for some time now supported land reform. Land reform that is legal, that is transparent, that is generated through a democratic process,” May told reporters.

And if South Africa passes allow to legally execute all White men, then Britain will fully support that. "Land reform" my ass - like Mugabe's land reform.

Ah well - the BBC tells us that Britain was majority black anyway:



Hehe:


Robert De Beaumont sure has quite a tan going on there.



So yeah - no surprise that the traitors in Britain are acting like that. If South Africa had announced the extermination of all, then Britain would be just: "I just hope you make it legal when you butcher and massacre everyone, eh?"

Post: #570

^ of course May and the British government support this. The British have been trying to stamp out the Boers for over 130 years. Why would that change now? They fought a war against the Boers and lost, and had to regroup and only won the second war by putting all the farmers in prison camps and starving out the population.

Then in WW1 the Boers wanted to join the Germans (back then Germany had a few colonies in Africa) and staged a revolt which the British crushed. In WWII the Boers were isolationist and didn’t want South Africa entangled in Britian’s war halfway across the world. The loathing of the British is what led to the Boer takeover in 1948 where they took back what they lost half a century earlier. They also took Namibia which really pissed the British off. Namibia was only released in the early 1990s.

Same with Rhodesia. Rhodesia was once part of the Central African Federation. Under the right leadership, this would have become the richest and most powerful nation in Africa. Instead, it was split up. Zambia was released to local rule of a strongman who ran Zambia into the ground until the 1990s, and Nyasaland was turned into Malawi- and this was ruled by a different strongman from the 1960s until the 1990s who also ran the country into the ground. It’s a proud legacy the British left behind. They were trying to do the same to Southern Rhodesia- the last part of the Central African Federation- when Rhodesia declared independence. The British were pissed. They even considered a military invasion- that was only called off once they realized they MIGHT ACTUALLY LOSE. And they didn’t want to be seen as killing their kin.

It would take 15 years of pressure from the British- one or two of the prime ministers worked night and day to destroy Rhodesia- to complete the legacy of the Central African Federation and turn over the last bit of ground to a local strongman. It was actually in late 1979 or so where Britain formally re-established control over the rebel colony of Rhodesia to make sure that Mugabe could take over. Britain ruled for 3 months and then once Mugabe took power they formally granted independence.

Flash forward to the early 1990s and all three places- Zambia, Malawi, and Rhodesia/ Zimbabwe- are all being ruled by the same brutal dictators who took over when the British handed them the reigns.

The ANC has ruled South Africa since 1994. What has been accomplished? Nothing really. Mandela, Mbeki, and even Zuma tried to keep the wheels from falling off. A few well-connected politicians and businessmen became super wealthy. The average person- not much changed. The further we get away from the old leaders who kept the tensions from boiling over the worse it will get. And the British will be there to watch it all happen, smiling and dancing along the way.

Post: #571

Somehow this got preserved:





Please take the few minutes to watch it.

Post: #572

I remember 2 experiences from South African girls back in the 1990s when I was a young lad.

One was a South African girl who visited a classmate of mine. When she came to their spacious apartment (father was an architect and mother also had a good job), her first question was: "Where is the maid?" Everyone looked at her dumbfounded and the mom said with a chuckle: "I am the maid." She made a face like this upon the news:



It was unbelievable to her that someone being in the top 15% income bracket would not have any house staff.

The other experience was with a friend of mine who picked up a South African girl while traveling with his parents. They even allowed her to come visit them and stay at their house - so it was great news for an 18yo guy having hot pussy delivered.
But one of the things he said was: "Man, the girl is super-hot, but she drives my mom crazy. She walks around and then drops trash, clothes wherever she stands. She undresses in her room just by dropping clothes on the floor and walking away. Then my mom has to go and pick up after her."
Of course - back home she had always a maid to pick up her shit and tidy after her.

A South African teen once said on some show: "We have made our bed like that, because my parents and grandparents did not want to make their own beds."

And of course he is right - if they had adamantly wanted to remain majority White, then the middle class could not have afforded maids. Their lifestyle would be decidedly European with expensive in-house staff that mainly the upper class can afford.

I get it why farm and business owners also liked the influx of cheap labor (most of it coming in only in the last 150 years) - it saves you the trouble of paying the less wealthy Whites higher wages and having to adhere to the pesky labor laws springing up across all Western countries.

Now it all comes back to bite you in the ass.

Post: #573

^Yup. Same could be said of American slavery. I am sure whites rue the day their ancestors shipped blacks to pick cotton. Should of been like Australia. Same can be said of Rome, Egypt, sweat shops etc. The lust for cheap labour was their undoing.

Post: #574

(08-30-2018 06:09 AM)Pride male Wrote:  ^Yup. Same could be said of American slavery. I am sure whites rue the day their ancestors shipped blacks to pick cotton. Should of been like Australia. Same can be said of Rome, Egypt, sweat shops etc. The lust for cheap labour was their undoing.

On a side note... after importing new slaves was restricted / banned (enforced by the English navy), importing Scots and the Irish became popular. These guys got the really dangerous, shitty jobs, with high casualty rates, since they were easier to replace.

Slaves, being "private property" actually got treated a lot better.

Slavery has been a pox on humanity. It retards technological change and destabilizes societies. Slavery was one of the reasons the Roman Empire went broke: Slaves worked the Latifundia * (giant agricultural estates) whilst Roman citizenry wallowed in boredom and poverty. The cost of keeping 2/3rds of the public on the dole and entertained with games was a major factor of the empire going broke.

In America, slavery kept the South backward and De-industrialized. Cost of labor was a motivator to industrialize. With slavery, the incentive to do so wasn't there.

* The modern version of the Latifundium is farms manned by illegals and white collar jobs manned by H1B indentured servants.

Post: #575

(08-30-2018 06:09 AM)Pride male Wrote:  ^Yup. Same could be said of American slavery. I am sure whites rue the day their ancestors shipped blacks to pick cotton. Should of been like Australia. Same can be said of Rome, Egypt, sweat shops etc. The lust for cheap labour was their undoing.

I think that far more South Africans profited from it than from the US slave holdings. Only 1,4% of American Whites had any slaves. In contrast certainly over 40%+ of South African Whites had some maids, farm hands, workers etc - all at wages and conditions inferior to what they would have to pay Whites.

The girls visiting in the 1990s were not rich - just standard middle class.

But of course they did not dare think ahead.....