Post: #76

First part-time job was waiting in a restaurant. Female manager used to make the male staff stay at the end and wash up in pink washing up gloves while the women set up the restaurant. Also used to pinch my bum, but I thought nothing of it. HR disaster if she were a he, though.

Seems that every female manager I've worked for, with and now over has a chip on their shoulder. It's like they want to be in charge because they want to be in charge, not because they feel they have anything to contribute by being in charge.

My dad always said he could never work for a women, and I used to think (as a kid) that he was a sexist dinosaur...now I totally get it.

Post: #77

(01-08-2016 11:43 AM)Diop Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:09 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Probably the worst thing about working for a woman in a large corporation (less so in smaller ones) is that they just LOVE to follow every arcane rule and policy, especially if it makes things more complicated or inefficient. If you break said rule, they will probably tattle. Corpro type chicks really embrace totalitarianism. Men are far more willing to bend the rules when they find them to be stupid or inefficient. They're also less likely to rat on you for doing so.

Yes, yes, and YES. My last full-time corporate job was two years ago when I had one of the worst female bosses imaginable. Over 40, bitter, fat, ugly, incompetent, micromanaging, man-hating, cunty, part of an "equal opportunity" (minority) affirmative action hire....I could go on. She couldn't understand how to do her job to save her life, so she overcompensated for it by being a rules-Nazi and picking at every administrative aspect of the HR Handbook to act like she was adding any sort of managerial value when all of us knew she was a complete and total worthless fraud.

I remember during my last month with the company we had an incident where she sent me a series of e-mails (which are a female manager specialty, rather than direct in-person communication) admonishing me for coming in 20 minutes “late” one morning even though she had given me prior approval for it as well as leaving “early” on two different Fridays (in one instance where I was given prior approval from her, the other was because it was for a Happy Hour sponsored by the CFO). My female coworkers would come in late regularly as well, but she didn't care about that of course. She decided to take "corrective action" on me for this which required me to report directly to her in-person each morning when I arrived at work, when I went to lunch, when I returned from lunch, and when I left for the day. If she wasn't at her desk, I had to e-mail her when I was doing all of these things. It was bullshit, completely unprecedented and unprofessional for a salaried employee, but instead of losing my shit I decided to give her a dose of her own medicine.

I followed her requirements to the letter of the law, so much so that I e-mailed or notified her every single time I went to the men's room to take a shit or went to the floor above us to pick up a document or (professionally) consult with a coworker two desks over, etc. Every time I went to the kitchen to grab some water I'd e-mail or notify her when I left and then two minutes later when I returned. I'd get phone calls from outside vendors and shoot her emails informing her when they'd call and when I was off the phone. It got so bad that I was e-mailing or visiting her every 20 minutes to let her know what I was up to. She was seething when she figured out what I was doing and tried to get even with me by tallying up the minutes I was on my short breaks so she could take it out of my vacation time, but then I pointed out to her that the HR Handbook only allowed vacation and sick days to be taken off in half or full-day increments and the time off must be taken in consecutive hours, so she was shit out of luck. All about following the rules, right?

I'd had a few awful female bosses before that last job, which (among other things) helped push me to both start my own side business and continue to fully swallow the red pill. In that respect, I suppose I should be grateful for them. At the time of the above my side business had grown large enough that I was just about ready and able to leave that last shitty job, so the timing worked out. I left shortly after all of that bullshit, and I heard from a former coworker that they struggled mightily after I left because that former manager of mine was too incompetent to pick up the slack and was let go only a couple of months after I left.

Nowadays I work for myself, and when I take on freelance gigs I'm very discriminatory about who I'll be working with or for. If it's some female who I get a cunty or bossy vibe from, I'll simply pass on the assignment, because I can. Of all the advice I can offer to young men on taking employment, not working directly beneath a female is number 1 by about a million light years.

Post: #78

Go fuck yourself.

Post: #79

(01-08-2016 11:43 AM)Diop Wrote:  Yes, yes, and YES. My last full-time corporate job was two years ago when I had one of the worst female bosses imaginable. Over 40, bitter, fat, ugly, incompetent, micromanaging, man-hating, cunty, part of an "equal opportunity" (minority) affirmative action hire...

Dude...are we working for the same broad??

Post: #80

(01-08-2016 11:43 AM)Diop Wrote:  I remember during my last month with the company we had an incident where she sent me a series of e-mails (which are a female manager specialty, rather than direct in-person communication)

Yep. That's because they FEAR confrontation (because their bodies do not produce testosterone...they, literally, "have no balls"...)

(01-08-2016 11:43 AM)Diop Wrote:  Of all the advice I can offer to young men on taking employment, not working directly beneath a female is number 1 by about a million light years.

Yep. It's a sure career derailer. Although, in this perverse politically correct, affirmative-actioned world we live in, you're going to have some female employees. Even in jobs they aren't qualified for (basically, everything above administrative and clerical roles). And having at least one occasional female boss is a good education in working with women: you quickly learn that RESULTS do not matter...feeeeeeewings matter! How did I make little Stephanie feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel when I told her "your work doesn't support your conclusion...can you revise your memo?" Bad? Then it's MY fault. Not her fault her work sucks. It's MY fault that she feeeeeeeeeeeels bad. Even though she confessed, just two weeks earlier, that "I....I...I struggle with my self-confidence sometimes".

Well maybe that's because you are 5 foot 4 but weigh 220 pounds, Stephanie...

Post: #81

(01-08-2016 02:38 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  My dad always said he could never work for a women, and I used to think (as a kid) that he was a sexist dinosaur...now I totally get it.

Old Dad not as dumb as we thought, eh??

Post: #82

Interestingly enough, this is one of the biggest things that I have to lie about in job interviews.

let me put it this way. I'm going into a field which is infamous for, among other things, brutal working hours (80hrs is typical), uncaring bosses, and a cutthroat environment.

However you know what else this field has? It's almost entirely male dominated. There's typically a few aggressive self promoter women, but your typical femcunt doesn't last long enough to ever be managing someone.....it's way more work than that type is ever willing to put in.

All of those downsides are well worth the benefits of never having to work for cunty female boss.

Post: #83

(01-08-2016 08:22 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Interestingly enough, this is one of the biggest things that I have to lie about in job interviews.

let me put it this way. I'm going into a field which is infamous for, among other things, brutal working hours (80hrs is typical), uncaring bosses, and a cutthroat environment.

However you know what else this field has? It's almost entirely male dominated. There's typically a few aggressive self promoter women, but your typical femcunt doesn't last long enough to ever be managing someone.....it's way more work than that type is ever willing to put in.

All of those downsides are well worth the benefits of never having to work for cunty female boss.

What field?

Post: #84

I worked for a female boss once. It wasn't a nightmare. I communicated frequently, propped up her ego (I do this with all bosses), and - get this - flirted with her. Great working relationship. Helped that she wasn't a cunt though.

That said, I still prefer working for a male boss. No questions asked.

Post: #85

(01-08-2016 08:39 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 08:22 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Interestingly enough, this is one of the biggest things that I have to lie about in job interviews.

let me put it this way. I'm going into a field which is infamous for, among other things, brutal working hours (80hrs is typical), uncaring bosses, and a cutthroat environment.

However you know what else this field has? It's almost entirely male dominated. There's typically a few aggressive self promoter women, but your typical femcunt doesn't last long enough to ever be managing someone.....it's way more work than that type is ever willing to put in.

All of those downsides are well worth the benefits of never having to work for cunty female boss.

What field?

Easy to narrow down. Pretty sure I could guess correctly if given three tries, but I'll let him decide how much he wants to share.

I'm more interested in what interview question you feel you have to lie about, and what your general answer is.

Post: #86

Exactly. It's easy to figure out what I'm trying to do, but..

A) It doesn't really matter. There's multiple industry/job function combinations that fit this description and I'd be happy working in any one of them.

B) It wouldn't help anyone narrow it down. Let's share what I've shared publicly: I'm a former military officer at a top 30 business school. Good luck Doxxing me from that: there's hundreds of people who fit that description at any given time. Even if you look for people whose first name starts with C it's a long list.


Back on topic, I am grateful that I've never had to work for a female boss. I did have to work with a few female officers and they generally fell into two camps. The married ones were usually pretty pleasant, and just regarded it as a job. They wanted shit taken care of so they could go home and enjoy their lives. The single ones were, to the last one of them, obnoxious, self promoting, entitled, confrontational cunts.

Post: #87

Current boss is a shrieking mess. Zero leadership skills. Amazing ability to nuance and dissect a topic into 1000 pieces. Unfortunately, my office is female dominated so none of them think for themselves. She is actually extremely intelligent but can't parlay that intelligence into morale building, creating an momentous environment, or anything else.

Shit got heated for a while there; I asked to work remote because my numbers were down and I proved that the environment (transferred from east coast office to this one) was hurting my performance. She didn't consider it. Needed surgery and asked for the time off, she implied I may be fired and its against company policy for me to schedule surgery prior to clearing it with them. I attempted to improve some processes, zero support. Its all about feelings and them being in control. Because she didn't help me at any turn, I started subversively creating problems for her. Those were funny conversations. Its hilarious when they are the last to know about something and the first reaction isn't about what is or isnt to occur but "how this makes them look"

Working around all women for the first year was the most soul sucking time in my life. Now its plain funny. I used to get pissed because they would wrap themselves in company blankets that were Christmas gifts and intended to be brought home or not change out of their commuting shoes. Now, I just play to their level and give zero fucks; wear a hat all day, leave whenever I want, excuse myself from travelling to NYC for our annual X-mas party etc, etc.

All the posts advise against working with women and I agree. However, there are huge, life long lessons in being in such a shit environment.

Post: #88

Yeah, I was just asking because I'm making a career move and am considering CRE which fits the confines you described. No interest in knowing your identity more just how you made the jump.

Doxxing? Aint no one got time for that shit.

Post: #89

(01-08-2016 08:54 PM)greekgod Wrote:  Current boss is a shrieking mess. Zero leadership skills. Amazing ability to nuance and dissect a topic into 1000 pieces. Unfortunately, my office is female dominated so none of them think for themselves. She is actually extremely intelligent but can't parlay that intelligence into morale building, creating an momentous environment, or anything else.

Unfortunately, I've also found that trait in one male supervisor as well. There's a certain breed of people out there who have sharp critical minds but are too much assholes to be able to use it well, or to use it without destroying the organization under them.

These people do have their uses, and it's shut into their own cubicle as their own lapdog: they're great when you need someone to tear apart your efforts and identify every possible weakness........just never, under any circumstances, put them in a position where people report to them.

Post: #90

(01-08-2016 08:52 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  I did have to work with a few female officers and they generally fell into two camps. ...The single ones were, to the last one of them, obnoxious, self promoting, entitled, confrontational cunts.

DING DING DING DING!!! Give that man a CEEGAR!!

Post: #91

(01-08-2016 09:00 PM)greekgod Wrote:  Yeah, I was just asking because I'm making a career move and am considering CRE which fits the confines you described. No interest in knowing your identity more just how you made the jump.

Doxxing? Aint no one got time for that shit.

Except SJW's.

For CRE, do you mean commercial or corporate real estate? Corporate seems to be true, but commercial seems dominated by cunty, aggressively self-promoting women.


As for how I am making the transition....MBA all the way if you're trying to re-brand from military service, or from a technical background into any managerial type role. Again I haven't "made" the transition but I am getting interviews with the top 10 firms in my area so I know I'm competitive. If I don't make it it's because I fucked up and not because of circumstances outside my control.


For real estate, I'd look into UW Madison. They're a top real estate graduate program out there and much easier to get into and cheaper than the top 10 business schools are. You really only need a top 10 school(ivies and equivalently good schools like NorthWestern and Chicago-Booth) if you're trying to go into a top tier management consulting, investment banking, or buy-side finance. Let's get the thread back on topic though. If you have more questions PM me. I'll post a datasheet once my recruiting season is done and I've signed an offer (should be in the next few weeks).

Post: #92

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Post: #93

(01-08-2016 08:54 PM)greekgod Wrote:  Current boss is a shrieking mess. Zero leadership skills. Amazing ability to nuance and dissect a topic into 1000 pieces. Unfortunately, my office is female dominated so none of them think for themselves. She is actually extremely intelligent but can't parlay that intelligence into morale building, creating an momentous environment, or anything else.

Shit got heated for a while there; I asked to work remote because my numbers were down and I proved that the environment (transferred from east coast office to this one) was hurting my performance. She didn't consider it. Needed surgery and asked for the time off, she implied I may be fired and its against company policy for me to schedule surgery prior to clearing it with them. I attempted to improve some processes, zero support. Its all about feelings and them being in control. Because she didn't help me at any turn, I started subversively creating problems for her. Those were funny conversations. Its hilarious when they are the last to know about something and the first reaction isn't about what is or isnt to occur but "how this makes them look"

Working around all women for the first year was the most soul sucking time in my life. Now its plain funny. I used to get pissed because they would wrap themselves in company blankets that were Christmas gifts and intended to be brought home or not change out of their commuting shoes. Now, I just play to their level and give zero fucks; wear a hat all day, leave whenever I want, excuse myself from travelling to NYC for our annual X-mas party etc, etc.

All the posts advise against working with women and I agree. However, there are huge, life long lessons in being in such a shit environment.

If you value career progression at all, hustle to get a new boss.

Post: #94

(09-20-2011 05:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I have a female boss that I'm very, very, very careful around. She's constantly waiting for me to make even the slightest of mistakes so she can fuck up my life.

I really wish these women would just lighten up. It's as if responsibility destroys a woman's personality.

I couldn't do it. I have not had a female boss for over 15 years. I have no boss now but work in a male dominated industry, hence no female "decision makers" to pretend to please.

Post: #95

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Post: #96

(01-08-2016 10:59 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:32 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  

(09-20-2011 05:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I have a female boss that I'm very, very, very careful around. She's constantly waiting for me to make even the slightest of mistakes so she can fuck up my life.

I really wish these women would just lighten up. It's as if responsibility destroys a woman's personality.

I couldn't do it. I have not had a female boss for over 15 years. I have no boss now but work in a male dominated industry, hence no female "decision makers" to pretend to please.

Pretend to please...well stated! I feel like I am an actor. Or a con-man, and these women are my "mark". I stroke their fragile ego and make them feel good, like the anti-depressants they pop like M&M's. I don't believe a word I'm saying, but I do it so they won't take out their ineptitude on ME, but rather will vent their frustration on some other poor sap.

You are an "actor" on a "stage" trying to avoid any more "drama."

Post: #97

Good stuff Easy. I'll check out UW. Good luck on recruiting season, I'm sure you'll have a few options to choose from.

Post: #98

(01-08-2016 11:36 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:59 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:32 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  

(09-20-2011 05:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I have a female boss that I'm very, very, very careful around. She's constantly waiting for me to make even the slightest of mistakes so she can fuck up my life.

I really wish these women would just lighten up. It's as if responsibility destroys a woman's personality.

I couldn't do it. I have not had a female boss for over 15 years. I have no boss now but work in a male dominated industry, hence no female "decision makers" to pretend to please.

Pretend to please...well stated! I feel like I am an actor. Or a con-man, and these women are my "mark". I stroke their fragile ego and make them feel good, like the anti-depressants they pop like M&M's. I don't believe a word I'm saying, but I do it so they won't take out their ineptitude on ME, but rather will vent their frustration on some other poor sap.

You are an "actor" on a "stage" trying to avoid any more "drama."

This can't be stressed enough. It may be one of the 48 laws, "treat the king like royalty" but that goes a long way in calming the edges. They are naturally insecure so when you defer to them, it reinforces that they are "in power" and the neurotic attitude subsides.

Does anyone else notice that they glance at you for reassurance during meetings?

My manager will rarely give me public praise but when she gives advice, covers an issues, or we strategize she glances at me to make sure my eyes say I agree. Rarely see her do it with the other girls on my team.

Post: #99

Sexual Harassment.
One of my female bosses was big on it. she would always talk about sex, groping and grabbing ass. She's screwed most of the guys there. She was decent looking back then, I just happened to run into her on Facebook ("people you may know" from going through the contacts on my phone) she's just way used up now, and gained a bunch of weight...

Another one, wasn't so bad, but still tended to sexually harass the guys. She would have loud conversations about sex with the female employees, and one of them was selling sex toys on the job. There were rumors that she was screwing one of the guys, but not verified. She was actually...pretty gross looking...

Post: #100

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