Post: #126

(01-10-2016 09:45 PM)The Father Wrote:  But what choice do I have? I'm a little late in life to start my own business. And, what would I do? Buy a franchise? I'm a good manager so I suppose I could do that. Any other ideas? I'm too old and disconnected from the millennial generation to be a blogger. What could I do for money? Any ideas on starting my own business. I have some capital. Just few ideas. But I may need to escape from this LOONEY BIN of working for a woman...it is HELL on earth! And yes, I am looking for another job. But that just trades one problem for another. I still would really appreciate any ideas you'd have on how I could start my OWN gig.

Well, I'm going to say something totally depressing so feel free to ignore it. At your age (my age) starting a new business is about 10X harder than doing so at 25 or 30. The odds, which are already bad, are even more stacked against you which means, horrible to say, odds are you will blow whatever savings you have stashed and end up with nothing. You will fight like a lion and it won't matter.

Then you will forced to crawl back to a corporate job even more powerless than before and get a worse female boss.

I know this because it's exactly what I did. It's taken me now several years to even get back to par.

Just sayin. Be very, very, very careful. Don't quit the day job until you see the money IN YOUR HANDS.

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(01-10-2016 03:18 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  Managing director at a bulge bracket investment bank vs running your own web design firm. I know which one I'd rather be, especially if the design firm only has one abusive client. Like I said, a good job can beat a shitty self employed situation.

That's true, but it's not exactly a fair comparison. Someone with the capability to be a managing director at a bulge bracket investment bank is capable of doing a lot more (as a self-employed business owner) than running a web design firm with a single abusive client.

In fact, that's beside the point, because the smart move in that case is to work the managing director job, bank as much of your salary as possible and open up your own shop when the time is right.

That way, you'll always have a fuck you option if your employer decides to screw around with you and you can keep milking the sacred cow forever if that's working out well for you.



For individuals like myself, who just about no one has every taken seriously, requesting a job as a managing director is a no go. In fact, we wouldn't even be considered seriously for an assistant manager position as a local K-Mart.

I feel as though self employment is the only option for me if I don't want to spend the rest of my life getting dicked around by female and male bosses, something I already have some experience with.

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(01-11-2016 01:48 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 03:18 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  Managing director at a bulge bracket investment bank vs running your own web design firm. I know which one I'd rather be, especially if the design firm only has one abusive client. Like I said, a good job can beat a shitty self employed situation.

That's true, but it's not exactly a fair comparison. Someone with the capability to be a managing director at a bulge bracket investment bank is capable of doing a lot more (as a self-employed business owner) than running a web design firm with a single abusive client.

In fact, that's beside the point, because the smart move in that case is to work the managing director job, bank as much of your salary as possible and open up your own shop when the time is right.

That way, you'll always have a fuck you option if your employer decides to screw around with you and you can keep milking the sacred cow forever if that's working out well for you.



For individuals like myself, who just about no one has every taken seriously, requesting a job as a managing director is a no go. In fact, we wouldn't even be considered seriously for an assistant manager position as a local K-Mart.

I feel as though self employment is the only option for me if I don't want to spend the rest of my life getting dicked around by female and male bosses, something I already have some experience with.

Was not my intention to make a "fair" comparison. My assertion was "traditional employment can be better than a shitty self employment situation". offthereservation disagreed, so I came up with the most lopsided example I could think of.

It's like strength and gender. Men (self employment) are generally stronger than women (job), but some women are stronger than some men. Some women are even stronger than the vast majority of men, but not the strongest men (unless your dream is flying fighter jets).

Post: #129

(01-10-2016 09:45 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 07:20 PM)Cobra Wrote:  In contrast, most of my other female bosses have been complete cunt baskets super sized.

There you got the negativity out of me.

That's reality though.

Yes. It is reality. It happens to be my reality at the moment. My current female boss is a "complete cunt basket super sized" as well.

I really envy our grandfathers. They didn't have to deal with this. I realize some men are micro-managing slave drivers and they worked like hell. But there is something...unnatural...about a straight man with two working testicles taking orders from an insecure bundle of neuroses who melts into a puddle if you look at her the wrong way. It's like I landed on Planet of the Apes.

But what choice do I have? I'm a little late in life to start my own business. And, what would I do? Buy a franchise? I'm a good manager so I suppose I could do that. Any other ideas? I'm too old and disconnected from the millennial generation to be a blogger. What could I do for money? Any ideas on starting my own business. I have some capital. Just few ideas. But I may need to escape from this LOONEY BIN of working for a woman...it is HELL on earth! And yes, I am looking for another job. But that just trades one problem for another. I still would really appreciate any ideas you'd have on how I could start my OWN gig.

I may be able to help you but my connections are mostly in the Chicago market with a little in NYC. I'm a tried and true Accounting/Finance guy myself. I've written about it here quite a bit. I'll send a PM but feel free to contact me directly with questions.

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(01-11-2016 01:11 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 09:45 PM)The Father Wrote:  But what choice do I have? I'm a little late in life to start my own business. And, what would I do? Buy a franchise? I'm a good manager so I suppose I could do that. Any other ideas? I'm too old and disconnected from the millennial generation to be a blogger. What could I do for money? Any ideas on starting my own business. I have some capital. Just few ideas. But I may need to escape from this LOONEY BIN of working for a woman...it is HELL on earth! And yes, I am looking for another job. But that just trades one problem for another. I still would really appreciate any ideas you'd have on how I could start my OWN gig.

Well, I'm going to say something totally depressing so feel free to ignore it. At your age (my age) starting a new business is about 10X harder than doing so at 25 or 30. The odds, which are already bad, are even more stacked against you which means, horrible to say, odds are you will blow whatever savings you have stashed and end up with nothing. You will fight like a lion and it won't matter.

Then you will forced to crawl back to a corporate job even more powerless than before and get a worse female boss.

I know this because it's exactly what I did. It's taken me now several years to even get back to par.

Just sayin. Be very, very, very careful. Don't quit the day job until you see the money IN YOUR HANDS.

You didn't fail you gave up.
If in your story you had tried 7 times and learned something other than "it's hard" it would be worth repeating.
Your story starts with poor odds and ends with "crawling back".

Post: #131

(01-11-2016 01:11 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Well, I'm going to say something totally depressing so feel free to ignore it. At your age (my age) starting a new business is about 10X harder than doing so at 25 or 30. The odds, which are already bad, are even more stacked against you which means, horrible to say, odds are you will blow whatever savings you have stashed and end up with nothing. You will fight like a lion and it won't matter.

Can you explain why it is more difficult to start a business at an older age? Wouldn't starting a business in your 40s or 50s be a good way to avoid age discrimination at workplace?

I mean, as a customer, I don't know or care how old Amazon or Ebay sellers are. Same thing with many other businesses where your customers never even see you.

Also, older people generally have more money saved which they can use as a safety net in case the business doesn't work out or takes longer to become profitable.

In addition to that, life and work experience that older people have can be extremely useful. I mean, I'm in my 30s, but even at my age so many things that weren't clear 10 years ago, now seem obvious, particularly when it comes to working with other people, screening potential business partners/employees/bosses/etc.

I believe starting a business is difficult at any age. I just don't see how it is more difficult for older people as long as the have the energy.

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(01-11-2016 01:48 AM)Suits Wrote:  That way, you'll always have a fuck you option if your employer decides to screw around with you and you can keep milking the sacred cow forever if that's working out well for you.

For individuals like myself, who just about no one has every taken seriously, requesting a job as a managing director is a no go. In fact, we wouldn't even be considered seriously for an assistant manager position as a local K-Mart.

I feel as though self employment is the only option for me if I don't want to spend the rest of my life getting dicked around by female and male bosses, something I already have some experience with.

Don't underestimate the potential to switch. I'm in the process of pulling it off, from a zero "prestige" background.


To your other point about being an MD there's another factor in play as well. Most guys like that have a fairly strong network as well as relationships and skills that are in demand. They're effectively free agents who just work for the highest bidder.

Post: #133

(01-13-2016 08:23 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 01:11 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Well, I'm going to say something totally depressing so feel free to ignore it. At your age (my age) starting a new business is about 10X harder than doing so at 25 or 30. The odds, which are already bad, are even more stacked against you which means, horrible to say, odds are you will blow whatever savings you have stashed and end up with nothing. You will fight like a lion and it won't matter.

Can you explain why it is more difficult to start a business at an older age? Wouldn't starting a business in your 40s or 50s be a good way to avoid age discrimination at workplace?

I mean, as a customer, I don't know or care how old Amazon or Ebay sellers are. Same thing with many other businesses where your customers never even see you.

Also, older people generally have more money saved which they can use as a safety net in case the business doesn't work out or takes longer to become profitable.

In addition to that, life and work experience that older people have can be extremely useful. I mean, I'm in my 30s, but even at my age so many things that weren't clear 10 years ago, now seem obvious, particularly when it comes to working with other people, screening potential business partners/employees/bosses/etc.

I believe starting a business is difficult at any age. I just don't see how it is more difficult for older people as long as the have the energy.

I felt exactly the same way when I was 30. Then I hit 50 and found that the reality was vastly, vastly different from my belief system.

Note, I did start a successful business at 30, and succeeded. Then tried again at 50 and found the odds dramatically worse, even allowing for the market etc.

Post: #134

I have had 4 female bosses and surprisingly they've all been good.

My first female boss was the weekend manager at my high school supermarket job. She was good fun and so were all the other girls I worked with there. To this day its the most fun job I've ever had.

My second female boss was during my college job as a landscaper. Again she was a cool, down to earth country girl, married to a bloke 10 years her senior. They owned and ran the business together.

My third female boss was during an internship I did. It was in a male dominated industry so she was one of the few women around. She was only a few years older than me so quite relateable and very helpful. I actually felt sorry for her as the blokes all treated her differently, they were exceedingly polite to her instead of including her in the banter. I remember being in the lunch room one day with a bunch of the tradesmen and it was all "fuck this" and "cunt that" but as soon as she walked into the room the language disappeared and they all behaved like they were in church.

My last female boss was again one of the few women in a male dominated industry and one of the even fewer women in a management position. A lot of my colleagues didn't like her as she was a pretty terrible people person but she was a straight shooter who always told you what she expected and what she thought which I respect. I think we never had a problem because I always worked hard and got shit done. She was actually the one who recommended me for my first management role which I'll always be grateful for.

All that being said I believe I've been lucky. From what I've heard from friends, particularly in female dominated industries like health or education, they've had a lot of bad experiences with female managers.

Post: #135

This was a needed thread for me this weekend. I'm glad I have my red pill brothers to turn to when it's time to reflect.

I had a phone interview this weekend after an unexpected request this week to speak to the hiring manager for a high profile state governmental position in Washington. I was pretty blown away that I made the cut for first round phone interviews. The boss of course was female and likely fit the profile of the ultra serious ballbuster. I gave it a shot.

My preparation was there like it has been for other phone interviews. However, her interview style completely destroyed my prior strategies. I failed to connect on almost every front, threw a hail mary at the the end and got utterly destroyed considering my impromptu answers to her questions.

I shut down the entire MLK weekend and reflected hard about my career path, my interview skills and what my next steps should be to get myself back on the horse. I can't entirely blame it on her for being a female in a great spot and for doing her job in weeding out prospects who couldn't overcome her challenges and outshine my competition. I do think about our chemistry that first call and how that would continue if I were even considered for the job after failing hard at the phone interview. I treat job applications and interviews with an abundance mentality because it seems you have to.

Now I'm faced with the decision to draft correspondence to let her know what she can take away from this experience, walk away without a word or draft something to withdraw consideration of my candidacy because of my poor performance on that call. I don't want to burn bridges when I don't have to.

What say you, gents?

Post: #136

(01-17-2016 11:26 PM)slothpiece Wrote:  Now I'm faced with the decision to draft correspondence to let her know what she can take away from this experience, walk away without a word or draft something to withdraw consideration of my candidacy because of my poor performance on that call. I don't want to burn bridges when I don't have to.

What say you, gents?

Just let it go. This clearly wouldn't be a job you'd actually want to have. However, if you do end up getting an offer and least you can have some fun trying to negotiate for the highest salary possible just for the hell of it.

Post: #137

(01-17-2016 11:26 PM)slothpiece Wrote:  This was a needed thread for me this weekend. I'm glad I have my red pill brothers to turn to when it's time to reflect.

I had a phone interview this weekend after an unexpected request this week to speak to the hiring manager for a high profile state governmental position in Washington. I was pretty blown away that I made the cut for first round phone interviews. The boss of course was female and likely fit the profile of the ultra serious ballbuster. I gave it a shot.

My preparation was there like it has been for other phone interviews. However, her interview style completely destroyed my prior strategies. I failed to connect on almost every front, threw a hail mary at the the end and got utterly destroyed considering my impromptu answers to her questions.

I shut down the entire MLK weekend and reflected hard about my career path, my interview skills and what my next steps should be to get myself back on the horse. I can't entirely blame it on her for being a female in a great spot and for doing her job in weeding out prospects who couldn't overcome her challenges and outshine my competition. I do think about our chemistry that first call and how that would continue if I were even considered for the job after failing hard at the phone interview. I treat job applications and interviews with an abundance mentality because it seems you have to.

Now I'm faced with the decision to draft correspondence to let her know what she can take away from this experience, walk away without a word or draft something to withdraw consideration of my candidacy because of my poor performance on that call. I don't want to burn bridges when I don't have to.

What say you, gents?

First of all, you should never, ever waste a lot of energy trying to get a job under a female boss. 90% of the time it will turn into a career destroyer. You will never be allowed to understand WHY. It will just happen.

If you get a job with a female bosss (like I have right now) then fine, you take the money but you cannot win. Well, unless you are a pretty young boy and she's an old hag who kinda falls for you (but even then, you can count your days down till the day she decides to dump you out).

Remember that as a male employee, you exist solely to be killed off in a pinch.

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Post: #141

(01-18-2016 11:48 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 08:31 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  First of all, you should never, ever waste a lot of energy trying to get a job under a female boss. 90% of the time it will turn into a career destroyer. You will never be allowed to understand WHY. It will just happen.

If you get a job with a female bosss (like I have right now) then fine, you take the money but you cannot win. Well, unless you are a pretty young boy and she's an old hag who kinda falls for you (but even then, you can count your days down till the day she decides to dump you out).

Remember that as a male employee, you exist solely to be killed off in a pinch.

Wow, that is so spot on! I've had a half-dozen female bosses, including my current one. One was good, the others all crap. There was NO way to win with them. Their moods were terrible, and all depended on what was going on in their personal lives.

I was tracking my interviews over the past couple years. Every single interview with a woman recruiter ended up being a complete waste of time. The only jobs that came close were from men recruiters.

Same reason I only see male doctors. Female doctors completely tune out older men, deep down they have no interest in your welfare. It is actually quite easy to see in their behavior. You could be having a heart attack and they will be yawning and looking bored. Whereas male doctors, even young ones, will usually treat a mature male with concern. Never see a female doc if you can avoid it.

My theory, which everyone is probably tired of hearing, is that women simply don't see men at all. Deep, deep in their souls, women have been programmed (genetically or culturally) to simply see men as non-existent except as providers. They step on us the way we might step on an earthworm under the dirt...it's not that they hate us, but we simply don't register at all.

This is why female business leaders are such failures. They cannot for the life of them, focus on their male employees. Since male employees are 50% or more of the available talent (often much more) and since men are high-ego (and thus need a lot of coaching to achieve great things) women leaders always, always are unable to develop a great talent pool.

In today's world, lack of talent is deadly.

PS. I'm happy to say that a former Lesbo boss (that I told to go fuck herself) has, like clockwork, pissed off and destroyed one of my former employers. Key people quitting and it's in trouble. Nice to watch.

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I'm resurrecting an older thread here, but I figured I'd give my two cents. I've worked in nursing for the last few years since I graduated college, which means my coworkers are approximately 90% women. The vast majority of my bosses have been women. Through trial and error, I've figured out how to make this field work for me.

Superficially ignore their flaws and be the friendly alpha male who gets along with almost everyone. You have to play the game because you have no choice. Schmooze with your female bosses. Be charming with all, and mildly flirtatious at most. Build up a good reputation by being friendly, charming, not a pushover, and by staying out of office drama. Don't bang girls at work; i.e. shitting where you eat. At least this is how I learned to do it, and although I'm always on the lookout for passive aggressive and backstabbing behavior, I've learned to play the same game they play if necessary. I also have malpractice insurance ($100 a year for nurses, they don't get sued very often but it helps me sleep at night), and I have a large fuck-you fund if I ever lose my job. Reading the manosphere convinced me to save up lots of money immediately when I started working. At this point, as long as I don't lose my nursing license (very hard to do), I could get a new job within a few weeks if I lost my current one.

When women act out at me I just verbalize my unaffectedness without insulting them. Don't rile up their emotions. There's plenty of crazy ass hoes out there, and that obviously includes the healthcare industry. Learning to choose your battles with them is critical. It's one thing if they act cunty and insult you, and it's another thing if they don't do their job and it affects you. Sometimes you have to ignore or reframe their shitty behavior, sometimes you have to be direct without insulting them, sometimes you have to be persuasive, and sometimes it's best to nonchalantly mention to their higher-up that they're fucking around. You have to be aware of how you say it, and who's friends with who, and who influences who, because women are very manipulative with eachother. In nursing, everyone does have assigned tasks to do so it's pretty clear cut in most cases who should be doing what.

I learned all this because when I was new, I got stabbed in the back a lot. The older nurses sensed my relative weakness because they knew, of course, that I was new to the field. One time, a patient had to be sent out to the emergency room, and myself and a coworker made a moderate sized error because our equipment was faulty. She pretended to cover it up and be my friend, then the next day, she immediately went to the boss and blamed it all on me. That was my awakening. Then another older employee who was very manipulative with the bosses was able to convince her that I needed more training, probably so she could get some easy over time. When she nitpicked some bullshit non-mistake of mine the second time, I put my foot down and pointed out to the nursing director what she was doing, and I told her that I wouldn't stand for this anymore if she wanted me to continue to work for her. I succeeded that time. I've had plenty of experiences with backstabbing since then, but with experience I've been able to minimize it and know what to look for if and when it actually does happen.

Through experience, women put on their best face with me and things work out well the vast majority of the time. Most female bosses leave me the hell alone, and the ones that don't, I won't work for. You do get shit tested at work and need to maintain your frame. When even the cunty ones realize that they can't phase you, women generally act their best for you. Having a big fuck-you fund (or a second job that you know is fairly secure) helps a LOT for this. I know that I need a source of income but I could go for a few years without working and survive.

So the lesson is that working with women is a skill that you have to learn. Game is critical, but it has to be the right kind of game. I've said plenty of non-PC things and gotten away with it, but you still need to watch who you're saying it with. It sucks, and a workplace with only men is virtually always more efficient. This however is the reality that we've been dealt and you have to do your best to make it work for you.

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I've always worked for middle management types and I find women are either excellent or terrible, not many in between. My theory is, feminism opened the door for women who actually deserve opportunities (eg smart, hard working, earnest) but also for the untalented, unskilled cunts who say "me too otherwise you're a sexist!).

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"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Take this phrase and multiply it by at least a factor of ten for females. Women don't know how to properly handle power. Take female cops for instance, they're so worried about not being taken seriously they are absolute hell to deal with. If you get pulled over by a male cop, there's at least a chance you can get out of the ticket. With a female cop, you might as well bend over and prepare to take it up the ass. There's no getting out of that ticket.

The same can be said for females in management positions. Once again, they're so desperate to be taken seriously they're all too willing to flex the power muscle even when it isn't truly necessary. If you ever feel you're being treated unfairly in the workplace, at least you can have an actual conversation with a male boss. Not so with women. It will quickly deteriorate into an emotionally-charged, irrational shit mess.

Having a female boss is sort of like being a parent and letting your kid boss you around. You know you know better than your kid(s), so why should you have to follow their lead or take shit off them?

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(05-18-2016 04:45 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The same can be said for females in management positions. Once again, they're so desperate to be taken seriously they're all too willing to flex the power muscle even when it isn't truly necessary. If you ever feel you're being treated unfairly in the workplace, at least you can have an actual conversation with a male boss. Not so with women. It will quickly deteriorate into an emotionally-charged, irrational shit mess.

Agreed all around. My first job, I had a nutcase, 30 year old white lady director of nursing who turned every issue into an emergency and a drama-fest. If something was wrong, the entire building knew about it. She had absolutely no discretion. Who the hell knows what kind of psych meds she was on, but I guarantee she was on something. She was later replaced by this a 5'0 100lb Filipino woman, who fired me immediately when she met me for no reason whatsoever. She never gave me a good reason why, but she did it to a lot of people. The real reason she did it was to make a name for herself so people would respect her. How many male bosses would do that? She did me a favor though because I wouldn't have worked for her anyway. Most of the staff quit when she came in.

Women will perceive you as weaker just for asking them why they're acting out on you. Their emotions aren't designed for the workplace, they're designed for relationships. In the workplace you have to be unshakable the same way you would in a relationship, but you also have to learn not to rile up negative emotions.

(05-18-2016 04:45 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Having a female boss is sort of like being a parent and letting your kid boss you around. You know you know better than your kid(s), so why should you have to follow their lead or take shit off them?

Largely true, but many women in my field have been doing it much longer than I have and many of the older ones are decent enough at presenting themselves on a regular basis. At least my relationship with most of them is good enough that I can ask them nursing related questions if I don't know something, and they leave me alone and let me do my job so I can collect my paycheck and leave. In my field, most of them are so tired of dealing with bitchy backstabbing women, that they're relieved just to work with a charming alpha male.

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(05-18-2016 05:10 PM)bfg Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 04:45 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The same can be said for females in management positions. Once again, they're so desperate to be taken seriously they're all too willing to flex the power muscle even when it isn't truly necessary. If you ever feel you're being treated unfairly in the workplace, at least you can have an actual conversation with a male boss. Not so with women. It will quickly deteriorate into an emotionally-charged, irrational shit mess.

Agreed all around. My first job, I had a nutcase, 30 year old white lady director of nursing who turned every issue into an emergency and a drama-fest. If something was wrong, the entire building knew about it. She had absolutely no discretion. Who the hell knows what kind of psych meds she was on, but I guarantee she was on something. She was later replaced by this a 5'0 100lb Filipino woman, who fired me immediately when she met me for no reason whatsoever. She never gave me a good reason why, but she did it to a lot of people. The real reason she did it was to make a name for herself so people would respect her. How many male bosses would do that? She did me a favor though because I wouldn't have worked for her anyway. Most of the staff quit when she came in.

Women will perceive you as weaker just for asking them why they're acting out on you. Their emotions aren't designed for the workplace, they're designed for relationships. In the workplace you have to be unshakable the same way you would in a relationship, but you also have to learn not to rile up negative emotions.

(05-18-2016 04:45 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Having a female boss is sort of like being a parent and letting your kid boss you around. You know you know better than your kid(s), so why should you have to follow their lead or take shit off them?

Largely true, but many women in my field have been doing it much longer than I have and many of the older ones are decent enough at presenting themselves on a regular basis. At least my relationship with most of them is good enough that I can ask them nursing related questions if I don't know something, and they leave me alone and let me do my job so I can collect my paycheck and leave. In my field, most of them are so tired of dealing with bitchy backstabbing women, that they're relieved just to work with a charming alpha male.

I was speaking in a general sense about women, of course there will be exceptions to any rule. I do agree with what you said about needing to maintain frame with women in the workplace. They can smell weakness and will prey on it. Conversely, they'll also sense strength, feel threatened by it and try knocking you down a peg or two through office politics (or just flat out attempt to get you fired) in order to build themselves up.

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I have had positive experiences with female bosses. I'd say #1 priority is get them on your side, to have them view you positively. They will rationalize your small mistakes as smaller than they really are, which is to your advantage. And, stay the fuck away when they inevitably go through phases of instability. Do not rely on women to help you climb the corporate ladder.

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(01-10-2016 01:03 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 01:04 PM)Peregrine Wrote:  Honest question to those who are working for shitty bosses (female or otherwise): why don't you/what are you doing to change your boss? I could give tips on how to handle shitty bosses, but the answer to car crashes isn't better emergency care - it's seat belts.

The only way to accomplish this is to become self - employed, a business owner, or other way you have control. If you manage to get transferred in your job to get away from one boss there is no guarantee you don't get a worse one later. Too much learning the "skill" of handling shitty bosses is in actuality learning to hide productivity and become a tool for whatever makes them shitty.

I work for clients that I choose and choose me. I have not had a boss in 9 years. There are no politics to consider into manipulating myself into doing anything other than working my way towards the result I want.

The successes are mine and the failures are mine alone.

When you work in most large corporations they are filled with petty, middle management women and men who act like women (I accidentally typed worms and thats ok here too) whose competence lies in the political theater of bureaucracy more so than doing the business at hand.

If I ever choose to work for someone else again I will only work in a very small company where everyone is a stakeholder or acts as such, and the mission is clear and out in the open. The profit motive in such a company that I would choose to work for would slaughter any attempts for petty incompetent women managers to play the games they know so well. The women who worked in such a company would be totally subservient, not to the men because they are men, but to the mission of the company by default.

You will see examples of this all over if you open your eyes and look. Maybe you go to a cleaners and you see a girl that really hustles, solves problems, greets everyone genuinely, and leaves any attitude at home. This girl would not be at home at nor welcome at the typical corporate america job staffed by gatekeepers whose primary motivations in life are fear and envy.

You may someday swallow a bigger red pill and start asking yourself what you are doing in whatever job that you tell yourself is the bomb, despite the bad female bosses and general dissatisfaction that includes the paycheck.

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I have a rather difference experience, mainly because in France I worked with female bosses rather than for them. French people's disdain for hierarchy makes this a little bit less of a problem but it's still there. Here's what I think: female bosses can be horrible when the big male bosses are weak. They are ok if the company promote self-reliance and individual performance.

I have worked with some absolutely horrible chicks who made my life hell when I was an intern. However the guys in the office were supportive and told me to come see the director directly. I did. The big boss called the girl over for a proper talk. A few days later she came back to me with an apology and has been cool ever since. For what it's worth she is good at her job if you can ignore all her drama. I did learn a thing or two from her and that's where I learn some of my first lessons: everyone has something to teach you, even people you hate.

The job after my internship the management was absolutely fucktard, but they were not mean. Both the manager and the director were 30+ sex and the city chicks. They were so engrossed in their own stuff so they didn't care about managing their team really so we were not very efficient, however they were generally nice to deal with. I once did a big report the big boss and once that was done one day I found a nice wrapped bottle of good red wine on my table. Turns out she gave it to me to thanks me for the work. That's nice of her though I was just doing my job.

Then I got a new manager. Surprisingly she was extremely nice to me, but everyone says she was horrible. Couldn't care less. Work wasn't going as expected though and FWIW she took all the blame never tried to pass it down on me. That job was the shittiest I ever worked at 70% women and gays so eventually I left.

Now at my new company I have a much better life. 50/50 ratios and the girls were nice to work and hang with (might have something to do with the ratio itself). The bosses I work with both male and female just do their job and don’t pass their stuff to you. Here everybody is in charge of a separate project and the girls I work with prefer to do it themselves. And they were very supportive when I myself need help. Guessed it’s just my luck because the guy right next to me has to work with a very bossy chick.