Post: #76

Hanks idea is solid and safe. Respect and love to you Hank. Had I followed this method I would have avoided the crazy who has been stalking me to this day but missed out on an unknown percentage of the 29 or more 1st or 2nd date fucks in the last 8 months. I am pretty sure there were more than the 29 I can recall but due to me running crazy game and not logging these in the I just had sex thread I will never know. Who else here enjoys looking at dating sites and seeing it as a scorecard? Maybe I should write a how-to on crazy game. It's not for everyone but it does surprisingly work best with the women who are in the smart and grounded category and would appear at first as a tough nut to crack.

Post: #77

(01-20-2018 10:11 AM)Dino Wrote:  Had I followed this method I would have avoided the crazy who has been stalking me to this day

I'm curious to hear this story.

Post: #78

One point to also consider is the kinkier a girl is, the more work she needs to put in upfront to ensure you're not a violent sociopath. Especially if she's into bondage, choking, and impact play.

Post: #79

Sort of on point. I was just having a bunch of rough sex. Hair pulling, neck grabbing, throat jobbing, titty fucking, light smacking, her feet on my shoulders, etc. She's screaming "Hank!' Hank! Hank!" (in a good way); bed is rocking loud. She gets off, sucks me off, and then says "Hank, that was so hot." The girl was so into the blowjob you'd think she was trying to suck the life out of me.

After, she doesn't put on clothes and makes me food.

Perhaps I am off point, but I feel like this kind of kinkier great sex requires a higher level of comfort.

I would not try and pull this stuff with a girl I just met.

Post: #80

I know this works for you, but it feels strange for me to imagine trying that.

I don't really go on dates that aren't just meeting at my favourite bar near my house. The last girl that took me more than three dates to bang was when I was 18 and those weren't really traditional dates. She was a virgin and we were together for nearly a month fooling around before she would have sex.

I'm assuming the girl's interested if she's coming to meet me. Then I just hang out and have a good time, I wait for her to show some more interest in me first. When I'm pretty sure she's interested (smiling, seems friendly and enjoying herself ) I start with some very light but plausibly deniable touching to see how she responds. As long as she doesn't respond badly, I know she's interested.

I don't even start escalating if I realise that, because I know I probably have it in the bag, so it's more fun to actually build the tension by NOT touching her or kissing her after that point. If I escalate too much I could kill the sexual tension too early, so I never do that.

So I'll move my hand off her and keep talking, bantering and having fun rather than pretending she is some great source of knowledge and acting really interested like a beta.

I rather build comfort and try and think of things at my house I can show her, based on the comfort building conversation we're having. Does she like music? What type? Maybe I can show her some music she likes, or play piano or whatever. It doesn't really matter.

This is tricky, girls realise what's going on most of the time, and they might not come home with me, they'll say no with a big smile on their face, when that happens I go for a kiss and let them go, and we normally bang really quickly on the second date. If there was no chemistry or anything on that first date, the second date isn't going to happen, so a third date never even happens for me.

Hilariously I tried bringing a friend along on one of my 'dates'. Well actually brought the date along to hangout with me and my friend as we already had plans. It actually went better. I built more comfort with her straight away as my friend was cool and we all got drunk and had a good time. I didn't have any 'work' to do to get the conversation flowing. Then when she was in the bathroom, I quickly planned logistics, he asked if he should leave or something, I said let's go to my place to smoke some weed and you can leave after an hour there.

Then I suggested all of us going to get some food and smoke at my place, my friend agreed, then I mentioned my place was only a couple of blocks away, so it was like a no brainer for her. She was either coming back to continue having a good time or going home alone and bored. So she was in.

Then my friend left my place about an hour later, he was actually pretty wasted lol, but me and her were fine and carried on drinking. Now I had her alone in my place and we continued chatting, building comfort until I was just too fucking tired to sit down on my uncomfortable chairs anymore , I lied down on the bed and got her to lie next to me, while I started touching her body all over, it felt pretty good. After a few minutes of that, I went for the kiss (wasn't much of a gamble, she was laying on my bed with her head on my pillow next to me and I had been touching her body all over) then that got more and more heated until she asked 'do you have a condom'.

We had a lot of sex that night and the next morning, then even made breakfast together and had sex again and lied in bed together watching tv, we were both hungover.

Now she's sending me messages and things are kind of relationship like after only one date. So now I still have to game her or she could get bored. I could actually have a problem with building TOO much comfort, as I'm not interested in a relationship right now, so I have to think of ways to make this relationship more sexual only.

That's what I'm doing right now on the game forum, trying to figure out how to sexualise this relationship more, make it more kinky, maybe tell her what to wear next time or even try a few new things. Sex was already great with her but I'm a degenerate, I need more. I also want to stay single.

Post: #81

(01-18-2018 07:25 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  The boot inserts are helpful, but honestly, I'm at a point where I don't really care all that much and prefer my slip-ons or docksiders. They're comfortable and easy. Candidly, wearing my docksiders or slip-ons lowers the success rate of my cold approaches. On the other hand, I don't have to lace them up and they actually look good. Especially with jeans. Unless I'm on a job site, I'm generally just not willing to put in the effort it takes to wear heavy boots anymore. Even if it lowers my ability to convert approaches. I have enough of a black book.

Cowboy boots, my friend. The thick heel adds an inch to your height and they're easy to slip on and slip off. They look great with a suit, jeans, etc., and women love them.

Sounds like they'd match well with your hobbies and interests.

Post: #82

I would say, third date definitley movies at her place or your place.

Based on my experience I suggest a 2 date method.

1st date walk and talk then sit and talk, preferably at a bench. Then kiss close..

2nd date. Movie evening at her place or your place. Smash.

Post: #83

Sometimes we use words in different ways and it causes confusion especially for newer guys so I want to make some clarifications in this thread about FBs, Fuck Buddys, Friends with Benefits, etc.

Most guys define FBs as girls that you fuck but don't date, i.e. a fuck buddy not a date buddy. There are nuances such as some guys won't ever let a FB sleep at his house while another guy might let her sleep at his house and buy her breakfast at an inexpensive restaurant. I don't think there is one definition that we all agree upon but taking a girl on three dates including a formal date before banging her and occasionally taking a girl on formal dates is not congruent with the term FB. It might be on the low end of dating but it is still dating because you are going out on dates.

I don't have any problems with Hank's method but the semantics are off with these terms so I think a clarification was needed and it will probably be helpful for guys to understand some of the theory behind this also.

The reason why you wouldn't use a three date method to acquire a FB is the same reason that you don't take a FB out on formal dates. By doing this you are setting the wrong expectations and confusing the girl. It might not be a big deal to you to take a girl to a nice restaurant or something similar but women are going to analyze your actions and try to categorize their relationship with you because that is what women do. If you want a woman to be a FB then you treat her accordingly by not taking her on dates and giving her a false sense that there is more to the relationship than there really is. This will mean less drama for both of you and the FB relationship will probably last much longer.

Post: #84

Rule #1: never take a girl you haven’t banged yet to lunch/dinner. It’s an awkward date, makes you look newbie-ish, and is a surefire way to get friend zoned.

Women place men in one of two categories: lover or provider. Buying a girl a fancy dinner immediately puts you in the provider role.

Provider role = no pussy.

Post: #85

(02-01-2018 02:39 PM)Fecal de Gallo Wrote:  Rule #1: never take a girl you haven’t banged yet to lunch/dinner. It’s an awkward date, makes you look newbie-ish, and is a surefire way to get friend zoned.

Women place men in one of two categories: lover or provider. Buying a girl a fancy dinner immediately puts you in the provider role.

Provider role = no pussy.

This horse has been beat to death. I'm a subscriber to Hanks school of thought- that if I'm going to be enjoying a meal out then she can join and enhance the experience.

It's only awkward if you are a newbie and have trouble confidently interacting with women.

Post: #86

I think there's a few levels guys aren't seeing here:

Roberto alludes to this.

Most newbies are Team No Apps Team No Dinners and only drinks or something cost free (a park, a walk, etc)

Basically they're OD'ing on so much redpill that they'll count every little penny.

I know, because I always wanted the most amount of pussy on the least monetary investment.


Intermediaries are sometimes Team Apps and they don't care if they pay for split the bill for drinks or meet ups.

These guys also deploy 0 date bang recipes for cooking at home or the girls place - the close takes skill and the the stuff you learned as a newbie and applies to new skills you've recently acquired.

Guys realize what niche/date works for them and how they get the most pulls.

The veterans do whatever the fuck they want, as in they're eating anyways, and would enjoy the woman they're inviting out to dinner as well. Some still stick to their game plan regardless - if ain't broke - don't fix it.


They work for some guys on the forum, they're more a slow cooker when it comes to a bang recipe.

Others strike while the iron is hot and grill that pussy up medium rare ASAP.


Personally a few drinks and venue changes and it's in the bag. Dinners don't do it for and never worked back in the day.

Post: #87

I started banging alot of girls in colombia when i switched from no date method to lunch then bang . I went from 0 in two weeks to 8 by the 3rd week. You have to figure out what works best for the location you are in. That same startegy might burn you in America

Post: #88

(02-01-2018 06:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I think there's a few levels guys aren't seeing here:

Roberto alludes to this.

Most newbies are Team No Apps Team No Dinners and only drinks or something cost free (a park, a walk, etc)

Basically they're OD'ing on so much redpill that they'll count every little penny.

I know, because I always wanted the most amount of pussy on the least monetary investment.


Intermediaries are sometimes Team Apps and they don't care if they pay for split the bill for drinks or meet ups.

These guys also deploy 0 date bang recipes for cooking at home or the girls place - the close takes skill and the the stuff you learned as a newbie and applies to new skills you've recently acquired.

Guys realize what niche/date works for them and how they get the most pulls.

The veterans do whatever the fuck they want, as in they're eating anyways, and would enjoy the woman they're inviting out to dinner as well. Some still stick to their game plan regardless - if ain't broke - don't fix it.


They work for some guys on the forum, they're more a slow cooker when it comes to a bang recipe.

Others strike while the iron is hot and grill that pussy up medium rare ASAP.


Personally a few drinks and venue changes and it's in the bag. Dinners don't do it for and never worked back in the day.

Calibrate, calibrate, calibrate.

Not only to your lifestyle, but to the girl you're taking out.

Post: #89

Cosign Corsega, always be fluid if things change.

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

Post: #90

(02-02-2018 04:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Cosign Corsega, always be fluid if things change.

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

Post: #91

I think an even better rule of thumb is never do dinner on a first date. For me sticking to casual drinks is much better. A second or third date might call for a fun dinner even if you haven’t gotten the bang yet. My go to is sushi and sake or tapas and sangria pitchers. It’s a fun date and encourages heavy drinking. Also, the food is not super heavy or anything so they don’t feel overly full. It’s guaranteed to get the bang.

Post: #92

I go out to eat all the time on first dates. I don't care and I don't over-think it. If your date isn't a cow then she's not going to eat much and she won't feel bloated. I need to eat anyways so why not bring her along?

Post: #93

(01-20-2018 03:28 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Perhaps I am off point, but I feel like this kind of kinkier great sex requires a higher level of comfort.

You are off point. Great sex requires AROUSAL - not COMFORT - and AROUSAL can take an INSTANCE - if you are the right GUY for her.

Edit: SOUR GRAPES!

Post: #94

^^^ Hank's post was about rough sex. Of course rough sex usually requires a higher level of comfort.

This is an aspect of female psychology that has always been intriguing to me. The more they trust you - the more they want you to choke them and slap them around during sex.

But I don't think that multiple dates is the primary thing that increases the comfort needed for rough sex. I suggest that you try to understand the girl's limits in regards to rough sex and don't push those limits too much in the first few encounters.

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule such as girls that want very rough sex from a stranger.

Post: #95

(02-03-2018 09:03 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  ^^^ Hank's post was about rough sex. Of course rough sex usually requires a higher level of comfort.

This is an aspect of female psychology that has always been intriguing to me. The more they trust you - the more they want you to choke them and slap them around during sex.

But I don't think that multiple dates is the primary thing that increases the comfort needed for rough sex. I suggest that you try to understand the girl's limits in regards to rough sex and don't push those limits too much in the first few encounters.

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule such as girls that want very rough sex from a stranger.

I think comfort and arrousal are apart of the leading we do as men in the interaction.
How many times have you fucked a girl and had her say "I'm your slut" on the first bang. As long as you provide the frame of this is how things are going to go her comfort with you is implied if she follows through.

I'm sure she "normally doesnt do sex like that" and we all know what that means....she definitely does sex like that with the right guy with the right game. Of course theres a natural progression to figuring out her comfort with things just like there is in pursuing the SNL. Its on us to lead them to it...

"This is just who he is, that is ok with me"

I'm not gunna lie I don't have the balls yet to slap a girl but I used to not have the balls to have a girl tell me she was my slut either. used to not be comfortable putting a thumb in a girls ass till this weekend so



It's all about your frame and escalating in a manner that she feels comfortable following your lead.

Post: #96

Great quote I heard recently: "I've spent thousands of dollars for 'free sex'".

Post: #97

Calibrate, calibrate, calibrate.

Not only to your lifestyle, but to the girl you're taking out.
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Actually, veterans don't do it that way.

Its counterintuitive but its better to pull her to be congruent with your lifestyle, rather than you trying to calibrate to hers. Your frame is stronger that way, and she is more attracted to your frame being strong than the details of the date.

I stumbled into this a while back. I bought a big pot roast and defrosted it. Had a casual dinner date set up but it got rescheduled to the next night. When the next night came around, I told her I had to cook this roast or it would go bad, so just come over and I'll cook you dinner. This was a first date with an 8.5, DD. I told her that from the frame of this is what I'm doing, I'm not cooking dinner for you to impress you, I'm making dinner for myself and its just easier if you come here instead of a restaurant.

I clearly communicated I'm doing this regardless, its non-negotiable, and I don't care if you don't like it so much you cancel. You have to be willing to lose some, and its the frame of abundance/ZFG that is so attractive to them.

After that I have invited dates to my house "to try a few different bottles of wine I've been wanting to try." They don't really care what the date is, and the privacy is an added benefit.

Now, you can copy these pplans - pot roast, wine, whatever. Its not the details that matter. Its your frame.

Trying to calibrate your frame and the details of your date to her interests is a losing proposition.

Post: #98

You have to calibrate the micros, not the macros.

Your frame and reason for inviting her is immutable.

The difference is within that interaction, when your mind is working in the background, noticing what works and what doesn't.

Then you calibrate to go from 90% effectiveness to 100% effectiveness.

If my personality and vibe is A to Z and I notice a girl resonates more with C to J then I will emphasize that par of my personality more.




To me that is calibration, having a general vibe and tailoring it to doing more of what works for the current specific interaction and less of what doesn't based off you figuring that out on the fly.

If you enjoy her company and she also has game, it will go towards that.

You also challenge her based off what you figure out. The attraction happens around the borders of the intersections above when you are essentially flirting and challenging, playfully.

All within the framework of your game which is everything Hypno described.

Including her in to your reality and imposing your reality on to the woman are two completely different things.

Your frame is your frame but you have plenty of leeway to play around within it, on your terms. You are the director and responsible for making her think 'it just happened' even though you knew the story 3-4 steps ahead.

Hypno's situations will always work if it's normal for him and he doesn't make it an issue. It's also a good compliance test to see if the chick is bitchy/demanding and wanting stuff on her terms.

Post: #99

(02-01-2018 05:05 PM)roberto Wrote:  This horse has been beat to death. I'm a subscriber to Hanks school of thought- that if I'm going to be enjoying a meal out then she can join and enhance the experience.

It's only awkward if you are a hardcase newbie and have trouble approaching women, instead resorting to banging 4s on Tinder.

I agree 100%

Post: #100

(02-01-2018 06:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I think there's a few levels guys aren't seeing here:

Roberto alludes to this.

Most newbies are Team No Apps Team No Dinners and only drinks or something cost free (a park, a walk, etc)

Basically they're OD'ing on so much redpill that they'll count every little penny.

I know, because I always wanted the most amount of pussy on the least monetary investment.


Intermediaries are sometimes Team Apps and they don't care if they pay for split the bill for drinks or meet ups.

These guys also deploy 0 date bang recipes for cooking at home or the girls place - the close takes skill and the the stuff you learned as a newbie and applies to new skills you've recently acquired.

Guys realize what niche/date works for them and how they get the most pulls.

The veterans do whatever the fuck they want, as in they're eating anyways, and would enjoy the woman they're inviting out to dinner as well. Some still stick to their game plan regardless - if ain't broke - don't fix it.


They work for some guys on the forum, they're more a slow cooker when it comes to a bang recipe.

Others strike while the iron is hot and grill that pussy up medium rare ASAP.


Personally a few drinks and venue changes and it's in the bag. Dinners don't do it for and never worked back in the day.

LMAO at this utterly bizarre rationalization regarding intermediates using online dating.



Firstly, you have over 10,000 posts on an anonymous pickup forum.

You are in no position to call anyone else a newbie. Please get off the computer, get out of the house, approach a woman, and gain some life experience before insulting anyone.

Secondly, this is the Roosh V forum, right? I would hope you’re familiar with his work. He has said on numerous occasions that personal growth and success with women come from good old fashioned cold approach pickup and that online dating is reserved for hardcase newbies with self-esteem and confidence issues.

P.S., please read Bang by Roosh V.