Post: #26

(12-25-2017 10:29 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  I strongly believe if you put a man and woman in a room with an smv point difference of < +\-5 for long enough they will fuck; No matter what.

This is a slightly different topic but I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has been able to play out a Three's Company situation where you've got a reasonably OK looking guy with one or more hot female roommates and fucking never happens.

Post: #27

(12-25-2017 10:03 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I mean what percentage of the male population under 40 is blue pill? 60%, 70%? These are the guys whos theme song is like "I'm in love with a stripper". When I was blue pilled beta... I literally forced myself into dating women that had fucked more dudes than an 80 year old escort. I had to tell myself shit like... "she's been with the whole football team, baseball team, a whole sumo squad on her summer trip to Japan, and even fucked the team mascot Peppi the Porpoise, but she CHOSE to be with me so I must be better than all that" I mean that's literally how blue pill guys think. Most guys are still blue pill... so things are stacked in favor of whores.

I would guess 85-90%. Guys not getting laid regularly is probably around 60-70% but even these guys are severely blue pill. MY roommates are them and in that case its 75% of my house

Post: #28

What you did in the past is a very accurate predictor of what you will do in the future.

If women knew this, we as players would not be able to sleep around, at least not with young poon, because they would chase the rich alphas in their youth and get married immediately.

Sometimes I do thank the Jews before going to bed -- their brainwashing has many upsides.

Post: #29

(12-26-2017 07:38 AM)xxx Wrote:  What you did in the past is a very accurate predictor of what you will do in the future.

If women knew this, we as players would not be able to sleep around, at least not with young poon, because they would chase the rich alphas in their youth and get married immediately.

Sometimes I do thank the Jews before going to bed -- their brainwashing has many upsides.

No doubt-if everyone new red pill, this world would be totally different. But world is as it is. No way to change it radically, in the near future. There is only two possibilities - rather you take and use it as it is or don't use it. It is a matter of choice.

Post: #30

There is no good reason to share ideas with women AT ALL. There is a concept called asymmetrical information. Where one party knows information that another party does not know about in an exchange.

Notice how pick up artistry and game is becoming harder to utilize as the years go by? When everyone else has the same EXACT knowledge as you, you are no longer special. You no longer have that edge unless you are 10x better than everyone else or the top 10% in that skill.

Post: #31

No offense to anyone replying on this thread..but what happened to Law 38:Think as you like, but behave like others?

Post: #32

You don't give the opposition valuable intelligence you have on them.

Your actions should speak louder than your words.

The only time I give "red pill" opinions is in the form of a joke and a smile on my face.

With women I'm banging - add a slap on the ass for good measure.

Nothing good comes from poking a hamster who goes ballistic.

Any "truths" you mention to her will be hamstered away and an excuse will be given.

You can tell which guys around you who know the truth versus the white knights who think women are all good and endearing.

There is a way to relay your views and gina tingles from women, but that takes skill, humor, and a strong frame.

Post: #33

(12-26-2017 02:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  There is a way to relay your views and gina tingles from women, but that takes skill, humor, and a strong frame.

Like this you mean?

Post: #34

I don't talk 'Red Pill' with women, as most of it is just natural intuition to them. Verbalizing it only turns them against the messenger.

Like what Kaotic said. If you throw out little nuggets with good timing, it has a wonderful effect of giving words to thoughts they already know, and also subtly tells them that you know the score and will be a challenge.

Anecdote: A friends wife falls back and forth between RP and feminism. She has heard me drop truth to her on occasion and I can tell she is waiting for me to say something. Both from curiosity if she is looking, and also to debate if she is feeling more feminist. Women have a hard time with this but its fun to know I occupy this part of her brain.

I have a strange friendship with a girl I banged a few times. I don't care about her very much at all, but I have fun with her and she genuinely wants to improve her chances of finding a good man. I give her hard ass answers and do not hold back. I can see it hurts her feelings often, but it also gives her the resolve to improve herself. Being 26 and female is the perfect time to figure this out, and most women float through on their looks until its too late. But she is actually learning how to cook, learning how to ask questions rather than talk like a retard, and be more pleasant as a default.

Talking RP with women is bullshit because all it is just undoing the programming that school and society have been pushing on them here in the west since they were 15.

Post: #35

I always say what's on my mind, when talking to a woman.
So talking about red pill concepts happens to me quite often, and it's perfectly useless : women don't use logic (At All).
They only react to my red pill Actions, not red pill Words.

For example, one was trying to deny me sex, one night.
I tried a short talk, about the roles of male and female in a relationship, didn't change shit in her behaviour.
Then I acted ready to leave her for good on the spot, and she immediately changed, giving me what I wanted.

When I'll be fully red pilled, I guess I'll stop talking about it to women.
It's a pure time loss.

Post: #36

I like to take a lesson from Patrice Oneal and his radio show Black Philip.
He had alot of female guests on the show and his way of explaining had lots of analogies, humor, concepts, strong frame and just breaking down there illogical statments with a firm but gentle touch.

Women, being emotional, irrational animals, Children if you may. Does not want to succumb to only logical solid arguments, using words they dont want to understand (Now you may be right but its about winning from a strategic standpoint)
So bringing in analogies and humor has a way of softening them up to being wrong and finding themself emotionally likeing you thusly agreeing with your concept to a degree or another.

*Note* I have been slapped and strangled by femenists while taking jokes to far in my early red pill days. Not my "female friends" so to speak lol but you learn from your mistakes

Post: #37

^People don't remember what you say but how you make them feel.

If your truth hurts her feelings, she will not appreciate it much less accept it. I've helped women before, but you have to put it in her words, and touch her emotionally rather than logically.

Women resist logic but melt like butter to emotion.

Listen to Hitler's speeches; he's by far the best at talking to the emotions.

Post: #38

Sieg.. I mean amen brother!
Yeah totally, I would only argue with a woman if it (A) helped my situation (B) I care for the woman, my sister or whatever..

Post: #39

No, because I don't have any female friends.

The only things I'm interested in coming out of a female's mouth are "What do you want me to make you for breakfast?" or "Let me suck that cock of yours".

Everything else is just emotional vomit.

Post: #40

(12-25-2017 02:10 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  When you mention things that are cathartic for women to hear because it just cuts straight through to the heart of the matter, they don't tend to mind hearing stuff like that, and often see it as a breath of fresh air (ie, pointing out that 'women don't like needy behavior it's and turns them off').

This is similar to how I view these convos as game opportunities. If you can communicate your knowledge in a non-threatening way e.g. "it seems like women find needy behavior really repulsive in men, is that true?" then you get social-intelligence points for "figuring" this stuff out, and for expressing it in a non-threatening way.

As far as actually convincing a woman of these truths, forget it.

Post: #41

More often, I'm finding myself being direct with the LTR about why I'm saying "no" to certain things.

The red pill component of this usually has to do with things that are external to her, not her own actions: why someone is obviously lying to her, why a particular restaurant is a trap and I'm not spending money there, why she shouldn't worry about the cocktail waitress showing off her tits. She's an intensely innocent person and I've gotten more than a little tired of trying to put things politely.

50% of the time, she gets it. 50% of the time, I get pushback about being distrustful and pessimistic about people. I'm rarely wrong and it does make her sad when she finds out that she was too trusting and optimistic - again. I'm not sure if she learns anything or not, but I always hope it helps to show her where the boundaries are and why I set them.

With that said, I'm sure she'd learn nothing from trying to analyze her own actions.

Post: #42

(12-26-2017 09:31 PM)Jetset Wrote:  More often, I'm finding myself being direct with the LTR about why I'm saying "no" to certain things.

The red pill component of this usually has to do with things that are external to her, not her own actions: why someone is obviously lying to her, why a particular restaurant is a trap and I'm not spending money there, why she shouldn't worry about the cocktail waitress showing off her tits. She's an intensely innocent person and I've gotten more than a little tired of trying to put things politely.

50% of the time, she gets it. 50% of the time, I get pushback about being distrustful and pessimistic about people. I'm rarely wrong and it does make her sad when she finds out that she was too trusting and optimistic - again. I'm not sure if she learns anything or not, but I always hope it helps to show her where the boundaries are and why I set them.

With that said, I'm sure she'd learn nothing from trying to analyze her own actions.

I recently went through a very similar process with a naive virgin girl. I stopped trying to demonstrate why and just explaining my reasoning. I actually regret it, too much tell and not enough show. The 50/50 thing resonates with me a lot. It didn't work out because "we were too different" and "we just see things differently" and a bunch of other stuff unrelated to this discussion. I'm sure attraction/respect got fucked up somewhere along the line... But I'm convinced now that your real and valid reasoning doesn't matter as much as how you spin it and how you say it, if she's attracted to you in the moment and how much she respects you. You could say "because god came down from the heavens and ejaculated 'thou shalt not go clubbing in that tight dress with stacy' " and as long as she respects you and finds you attractive she'll take it hook line and sinker. Just a revelation of mine lately.

Post: #43

I only have male friends, girlfriends and family, and I talk red pill with all of them in different ways.

Giving people knowledge or advice they never asked for is generally a bad idea, so I avoid that, unless they really want my advice. My good friends and family know they actually probably don't want my advice and dont ask for it.

For male friends, I just avoid politics or anything really controversial. However I don't care if I sound sexist, it actually helps with friendships to be able to talk about women honestly. I like doing this, although to normal blue pill guys, I come off a little crazy or extreme, but that doesn't matter as they can see I get results from it.

For girls, I just have lighthearted conversation. I might observe some people in the crowd and comment my 'red pill' observations in the form of a joke. Normally making fun of the man.

For family, I will talk politics with certain people who are informed and interested, mainly the men, everyone else I'm not going to waste my time with their emotional bullshit. For my youngest sister, I actually am pretty straight talking with her since she's still learning things and not emotionally invested in gay lefty ideas. She finds that pretty funny and enlightening actually, and have noticed her taking her own interest in politics and culture now.

Post: #44

Not really.

Only with my friends mother and his sister who are older, when the conversation came up.

I never steer it towards that.

There is one female friend now who I will discuss this purely to troll her as she keeps pushing it.

It's more of a childlike 'but why' and then provide facts. The facts get conflated with her emotions and I just push buttons, it's great.

Also because she came out of a relationship now with a guy who had been cheating on her for 6 months. It was fine and dandy however when she fucked 3 other guys during the relationship. Now she complains that she cannot trust men (despite her cheating before he did).

With her, I will definitely push her buttons because I enjoy calling a spade a spade.

With girls I just met, no, I will just ask questions to steer the discussion to understand their POV, provided I am interested.

Post: #45

you should refrain talking about red pill with them, female nowadays are too brainwashed from societal programming be it movies, tv, etc. the last time i talked about healthy men's preference loving big natural boobs with female friends who are flat chested, i was attacked verbally.

Post: #46

(12-26-2017 09:42 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  I recently went through a very similar process with a naive virgin girl. I stopped trying to demonstrate why and just explaining my reasoning. I actually regret it, too much tell and not enough show. The 50/50 thing resonates with me a lot. It didn't work out because "we were too different" and "we just see things differently" and a bunch of other stuff unrelated to this discussion. I'm sure attraction/respect got fucked up somewhere along the line... But I'm convinced now that your real and valid reasoning doesn't matter as much as how you spin it and how you say it, if she's attracted to you in the moment and how much she respects you. You could say "because god came down from the heavens and ejaculated 'thou shalt not go clubbing in that tight dress with stacy' " and as long as she respects you and finds you attractive she'll take it hook line and sinker. Just a revelation of mine lately.

...and this is a very fair point. It's one that I wonder about in these conversations.

I do see a distinction, though, between cases where I'm negotiating about something that sense dictates should be my decision anyway and explaining something that really is her decision, but is still a serious mistake that may cause blowback and so isn't acceptable to me. It's fair to warn her in advance that if she hires Luciano the Crooked Mechanic because he gave her a lowball estimate, she's going to get ripped off and I'm not going to waste time helping her. Whereas, if she takes it to my guy, she gets the Jetset Warranty.

Likewise when she gets going on something odd a female acquaintance is doing. She'll be genuinely troubled by it, but there's a subtle difference between telling her that all women, including her, are attention-seeking, versus telling her that Marsha got dumped again and that's the real reason why she's posting about all her medical problems, which are mostly exaggerated and/or imaginary: to manipulate her and everyone else into thinking and talking about Marsha.

Post: #47

This is where I've come out on the subject...

Most women are not worth engaging. Their "arguments" are all emotionally charged, often idiotic, and usually a regurgitation of Buzzfeed. Add: "fake rage" to the mix, and you're simply wasting time trying to engage in reasoned discussion. They're simply unable to argue without appealing to emotion.

All that aside, if you're bored and want to have a bit of fun, you can always resort to the "short" argument.

As a man, you're "shallow" because you don't date fat women, women with strong political opinions, women with dyed blue hair, women with silly nose rings, women with tattoos, women who identify as "feminists" or "pansexuals".

Awful.

Alright, fine. But why don't you women date short men? Are they not intelligent, independent, and interesting? Is that not attractive? Isn't that what you "feel" should be attractive? Why aren't you dating a minority transexual? Your boyfriend is white, 6'2, and tattooed. He's not in a wheelchair.

"It's different."

Again, my personal belief is everyone should date whoever they want to. If a woman isn't attracted to short men, good on her. We're all into what we're into. But women, don't try and claim any type of moral high ground if you disqualify men for physical characteristics, too.

We all do it.

Post: #48

Cognitive dissonance is strong with the more emotionally bent. Too idealistic. That said, my female "friends" have always been gals I wouldn't pursue for moral or thiscouldgobad (ie. Work) reasons. For those SAME reasons I wouldn't broach the subject.

I have definitely brought it up with random girls I have met or am dating. There's been a few who completely surprised me. Almost red pilled themselves. They were aware of the games people play, even pointing inward to their own motivations.

Maybe it's my personality type, but I was immediately drawn to them.

So if you're talking to girls about it, maybe subconsciously you're looking for a girl who challenges the status quo? Beyond small talk, we tend to bring up topics important to us to test how the other person sees the world.

Post: #49

(12-26-2017 09:42 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  ...
But I'm convinced now that your real and valid reasoning doesn't matter as much as how you spin it and how you say it, if she's attracted to you in the moment and how much she respects you. You could say "because god came down from the heavens and ejaculated 'thou shalt not go clubbing in that tight dress with stacy' " and as long as she respects you and finds you attractive she'll take it hook line and sinker. Just a revelation of mine lately.

Post: #50

In general if I am invited somewhere I always mention my ideas throwing some allusions , who could be taken as joke by the most uneducated audience.
some girls show interest and then try to discuss with me. I believe that some women are receptive.
It actually has to be done , not only to put the society in the right track again but also simply for being easy to say something everyone hates and not feel bad. This makes you less thin-skinned and to resist in front of a contradictory audience is always grateful. there is also always a beta who plays the "feminist" and ends up insulting me. But im positive that at the end of the day , when girls go back home , they have a feeling of respect for me.