Post: #176

(05-16-2018 04:11 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  I honestly don’t think anyone here is “missing the value of these countries” like you put it.

This thread is full of praise of EE.

I don’t think that EE will ever be saturated either. The top 1% of guys will always get all of the sex everywhere in the world.

I think the top 25% of personalities will do very well anywhere in the world.

Post: #177

(05-16-2018 12:40 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 12:32 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  Soon there will be hundreds of daygamers approaching girls on Knez Mihailova wearing all black outfits and opening with “Do you know where the pet shop is?”

Well I heard that already for several years of now, Westerners do there direct day game because that location was popularized on blogs/youtube channels about Game. Supposedly, Serbian girls will now spot you from mile on and know what are you doing there, especially if your language is not Serbian. Makes sense, but don't know for sure since I haven't been in Belgrade. Anyone think it is true/wrong?

I was in Belgrade a couple of years ago adn I noticed guys doing daygame routines on Knez Mihailova so it definitely exists.

Post: #178

Day 25: Thanks to everyone that posts on this thread, I really appreciate your posts.

My day really started in the mid-afternoon. I went to Zemun with some good friends (Zemun is really the best part of Belgrade, really beautiful).

We basically did some city-hiking. And it was incredible, seeing all these old churches, hanging out, etc. I thought I was gonna die from all the hiking.

I took my shirt off in the park (because I no longer care), we can call it poor form, whatever, yeah, I don't really care.

I was standing on the cliff, admiring all the beauty God has created. It's one of my best days of my life. Listening to "Blue Danube" by Strauss, admiring all this astonishing beauty--the Danube river... And now I know why old people like to travel down it on big ass cruise ships.

Later, hit up a fish restaurant on the Danube. I couldn't even stomach eating a full fish, so our group got some fish soup. I was literally watching them catch fish on the river (restaurant proprietors) as I was eating this fish soup. I haven't had fish soup much at all, but this is the best fish I've tasted in my life (soup or otherwise), and that's in spite of the fact that the river is notoriously polluted here.

Belgrade is a city that one day makes me convulse in pain, but the next day, I understand the beauty of this EE "shithole".

We were doing 120 in the main part of Zemun... And I realized something-- I am at peace with my mortality, my ego, my situation. I've seen how people live here, but I've made peace with God (or myself if you prefer). Call it Balkan mentality, or whatever you want, but I feel at peace now. I don't feel fear anymore.

Post: #179

(05-11-2018 10:00 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Day 19: Missed a big meet up in the city center with other forum members. Hopefully they will post some of the juicy details! Heard good things.

Day 20: Met forum member DT94, great guy. Had a great chat on EE and Turkish culture, life, and game. Would recommend meeting him. Super nice and laid-back guy.

thanks man same here ! i look forward to meeting with you again on my next trip. you gave great information about life and work in Serbia.

Post: #180

(05-18-2018 09:25 AM)DT94 Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 10:00 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Day 19: Missed a big meet up in the city center with other forum members. Hopefully they will post some of the juicy details! Heard good things.

Day 20: Met forum member DT94, great guy. Had a great chat on EE and Turkish culture, life, and game. Would recommend meeting him. Super nice and laid-back guy.

thanks man same here ! i look forward to meeting with you again on my next trip. you gave great information about life and work in Serbia.

Thanks man. Hope I can show you more of Belgrade when you come back through ;p

Post: #181

Days I think 26, 27, 28: No contact with Serbian social circle starting on day 26 for 10 days, we'll see what happens. Probably a necessary step, to get out of my comfort zone.

Post: #182

(05-19-2018 11:30 PM)Dragan Wrote:  Days I think 26, 27, 28: No contact with Serbian social circle starting on day 26 for 10 days, we'll see what happens. Probably a necessary step, to get out of my comfort zone.

Good plan, get out of your head, get some dates, make some moves, get some Serbian pussy.

Post: #183

Surely meeting girls at the bars you're going to and through your social circle is a lot easier than finding random girls on the street?

It's great that you are approaching but don't purposefully avoid the easier opportunities just to put yourself through hardships and come out empty handed.

Post: #184

My advice would be to just go out and put yourself in social situations/events everyday and you will naturally get better without any help. You don’t have to do anything special. Just consistently going out and meeting new people gets me “warmed-up” for the next days. It could be a bar, Meetup.com events, Facebook events, or just any type of event where you meet new people.

I prefer to find an activity that I enjoy that also includes a social aspect. So for example, I enjoy both table tennis and volleyball - but I volleyball gets priority since much more social and way more girls.

I like the idea of getting better socially without it always feeling like “work”. That really takes the fun out of it.

Always being warmed up also let’s me able to cold approach once in a while when I feel like it.

Anyways, I’ll be in Belgrade on May 30th. See ya.

Post: #185

Thanks as always guys for the advise.

Looking at taking up a hobby-music production, tennis, fishing, finding a range here to shoot rifles or skeet.

Post: #186

there is a shooting range up on the water on Karadordev I think

Post: #187

(05-20-2018 07:35 AM)nola Wrote:  there is a shooting range up on the water on Karadordev I think

Nice advise, thanks--ironically there's a big shooting club about half a klick from my doorstep.

Post: #188

It's been a week since I've given an update on my personal journey in Belgrade, so I thought I'd give you guys a quick write-up.

- I did my best approach a few nights ago. I told a girl directly that I thought she was cute, she said that I was cute, and we hit it off immediately. She was a dancer, so we danced in the street together, and I tried kissing her twice because we had such strong chemistry. Turns out she had a boyfriend going on 4-5 years, so she didn't want to give me her phone number (or kiss me, lol). But this was a nice morale booster, because it was evidence that there are sexually open and fun girls walking the streets of Belgrade. It's just a matter of approaching girls, and putting in the time and effort to date them.

- I've spoken to multiple guys who run their own coaching / pick-up companies, and they all agree (for the most part) that Belgrade is one of the most difficult cities in the world in terms of the amount of work that's required to hook up with women. One friend told me that on average, he'll only need to do 40 cold approaches in London to get laid. But in Belgrade, he'll need to do more like 150 cold approaches to get laid. These are advanced-level players who generally agree that cold approach pick up is incredibly time-intensive in Belgrade. That said, I think that social circle game would drastically reduce the amount of work that's needed to get laid in Belgrade.

- It's best to keep a low profile here. Belgrade is a very personal city where you could easily see the same people walking the streets later in the week. RSD-style spam approaching is not recommended. Most serious players who I've met here are very selective and discreet about their approaches.

- The guys who are having the best success in Belgrade are focusing on long-term retention, building a social circle, and having a cool lifestyle in general. If you're going to be doing 150+ cold approaches in Belgrade, then you might as well focus on retaining the girls who you've invested so much time and energy into.

- I've probably done around 75 approaches so far in Belgrade, so I'll probably be a little bit more aggressive with the amount of approaches that I do over the next 1.5 weeks. I'd like to have done 150+ approaches so that I can test the theory, and see if that's what it takes to pull here.

Post: #189

One of my friends asked me, "If Belgrade is such a hard city to run game in, then why would you spend time there?"

Even though Belgrade can be incredibly frustrating, and the girls seem to avoid having casual sex whenever possible, I still think it's one of the great final frontier's of Eastern Europe.

I also think that Belgrade forces you to become the best version of yourself in terms of game, mindset, money, and lifestyle.

The local Belgrade girls know how to play the game, basically. They're looking for cool high value guys who are the real deal.

Also, to be perfectly honest, I know that there's so much more that I can be doing to get better results with women here. I've made insane progress here. I've had amazing approaches and the harshest rejections. But I still have a LOT of room for growth.

When I'm running game in Belgrade, I like to keep one (paraphrased) Krauser quote in mind:

"There's a girl walking around this city who wants to fuck you right now. You just have to go and find her" That's pretty much true, based on my experience. There are just insanely high obstacles to overcome in order to find that girl on any given day.

I will keep fighting and putting in work.

Post: #190

(05-23-2018 10:17 AM)stefpdt Wrote:  It's been a week since I've given an update on my personal journey in Belgrade, so I thought I'd give you guys a quick write-up.

- I did my best approach a few nights ago. I told a girl directly that I thought she was cute, she said that I was cute, and we hit it off immediately. She was a dancer, so we danced in the street together, and I tried kissing her twice because we had such strong chemistry. Turns out she had a boyfriend going on 4-5 years, so she didn't want to give me her phone number (or kiss me, lol). But this was a nice morale booster, because it was evidence that there are sexually open and fun girls walking the streets of Belgrade. It's just a matter of approaching girls, and putting in the time and effort to date them.

- I've spoken to multiple guys who run their own coaching / pick-up companies, and they all agree (for the most part) that Belgrade is one of the most difficult cities in the world in terms of the amount of work that's required to hook up with women. One friend told me that on average, he'll only need to do 40 cold approaches in London to get laid. But in Belgrade, he'll need to do more like 150 cold approaches to get laid. These are advanced-level players who generally agree that cold approach pick up is incredibly time-intensive in Belgrade. That said, I think that social circle game would drastically reduce the amount of work that's needed to get laid in Belgrade.

- It's best to keep a low profile here. Belgrade is a very personal city where you could easily see the same people walking the streets later in the week. RSD-style spam approaching is not recommended. Most serious players who I've met here are very selective and discreet about their approaches.

- The guys who are having the best success in Belgrade are focusing on long-term retention, building a social circle, and having a cool lifestyle in general. If you're going to be doing 150+ cold approaches in Belgrade, then you might as well focus on retaining the girls who you've invested so much time and energy into.

- I've probably done around 75 approaches so far in Belgrade, so I'll probably be a little bit more aggressive with the amount of approaches that I do over the next 1.5 weeks. I'd like to have done 150+ approaches so that I can test the theory, and see if that's what it takes to pull here.

Thanks for more info, it’s some good stuff.

Let’s call it a strong, direct frame. If you’re day gaming I think that’s what it takes. With social circle, we could go on a tangent about the value of it here…

Belgrade is freaking frosty for men, and some guys on this exact thread told me it would be frosty. Sometimes harder is better— maybe you end up with a better result.

The stuff about the low profile, I completely agree about that. For both male dudes you meet who could be potential friends, and also women. Avoid being vulnerable here. This is a society alpha as fuck, and you even see this reflected in the proclivities of women.

Back to social circle for a sec: I think it helps, but can be sort of a long term grind. That’s the downside of serbia, need to build relationships, but once you tell them what you’re doing here, or how long you’re being here, they analyze with brutal balkan mentality bullshit detectors, it’s like a sixth sense for them. People intuitively are able to understand any bullshit or inconsistencies.

This is an idea forming in the back of my head, just approach with Serb gamers to understand the nature of the game here, or try hardcore to get into social circles via acquaintances.

edit: PM me, send me a message later, and we'll meet with a Serbian gamer here in Belgrade who has been described to me as very successful (probably not even on the forum), who I know through mutual friends, and we'll see what he can teach us.

Post: #191

(05-23-2018 10:29 AM)stefpdt Wrote:  One of my friends asked me, "If Belgrade is such a hard city to run game in, then why would you spend time there?"

Even though Belgrade can be incredibly frustrating, and the girls seem to avoid having casual sex whenever possible, I still think it's one of the great final frontier's of Eastern Europe.

I also think that Belgrade forces you to become the best version of yourself in terms of game, mindset, money, and lifestyle.

The local Belgrade girls know how to play the game, basically. They're looking for cool high value guys who are the real deal.

Also, to be perfectly honest, I know that there's so much more that I can be doing to get better results with women here. I've made insane progress here. I've had amazing approaches and the harshest rejections. But I still have a LOT of room for growth.

When I'm running game in Belgrade, I like to keep one (paraphrased) Krauser quote in mind:

"There's a girl walking around this city who wants to fuck you right now. You just have to go and find her" That's pretty much true, based on my experience. There are just insanely high obstacles to overcome in order to find that girl on any given day.

I will keep fighting and putting in work.

You are probably right, I may have alluded to it earlier, but the western presence here is basically slim to none. While that is what I consider to be true, there are a lot of Serbians that have been to the West. I think I talked about it with girls I’ve met, they get so warm when they find out you’re a foreigner that shares a common story about familiarity with America (her there as a guest worker, exchange student, etc).

Tourism numbers: frankly horrible with Western tourists to Serbia. It’s basically nothing in spite of the fact the country has 7 million. People here are freaking nice, so being a good guest certainly seems like a good thing to do—if anything, to show them we want to build cultural bridges and enjoy the fruits of it. I think my Serbian friends are extremely diplomatic despite all the shit that happened at the hands of Americans. That’s a characteristic I really like, and it shows thoughtfulness or clear respect for foreigners. That’s why I respect the people so much here. They are good people who are so damn welcoming.

Post: #192

Are you guys getting laid yet?

Post: #193

(05-23-2018 12:17 PM)nola Wrote:  Are you guys getting laid yet?

That's a big no, and probably the biggest negative about Serbia.

Funny.

Guess I just want to slog through this bullshit, and see if I can make it.

Serbia may be Saudi Arabia.

Post: #194

(05-23-2018 12:19 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 12:17 PM)nola Wrote:  Are you guys getting laid yet?

That's a big no, and probably the biggest negative about Serbia.

Funny.

Guess I just want to slog through this bullshit, and see if I can make it.

Serbia may be Saudi Arabia.

I'll post about loosing my virginity when it occurs, for the whole internet. I owe that at least to you guys. I'm ready for it to happen.

Post: #195

(05-23-2018 01:00 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 12:19 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 12:17 PM)nola Wrote:  Are you guys getting laid yet?

That's a big no, and probably the biggest negative about Serbia.

Funny.

Guess I just want to slog through this bullshit, and see if I can make it.

Serbia may be Saudi Arabia.

I'll post about loosing my virginity when it occurs, for the whole internet. I owe that at least to you guys. I'm ready for it to happen.

Make sure it's a anti-climatic post when it happens.

Post: #196

(05-23-2018 11:41 AM)Dragan Wrote:  I think my Serbian friends are extremely diplomatic despite all the shit that happened at the hands of Americans. That’s a characteristic I really like, and it shows thoughtfulness or clear respect for foreigners. That’s why I respect the people so much here. They are good people who are so damn welcoming.

This is one of the many funny things about Serbs. When you're about:

"He will come to my house and have a little to eat."

*Much food later*

"He need to try that. It is good for him. And he need a little more bread and cheese. Yes, he has room for that." ...

Then ask about foreign countries.

Ooohhh! Germans are like that! And also they are a big enemy for us. We will not forget they are bad. And also, she saw them drinking coffee for only 0.5 euros. That is not smart.

Ooohhh! Croatians, they want to kill us! She know not all of that is bad, but 90% of them are bad. They're like that.

And Bulgarians. She has some friends who are from there and they are OK, but mostly they are not so smart. And everywhere in Bulgaria it is a mess. You'll see that.

Oooohhh! Americans. They are the big idiots. She have friends who went there and they say it's idiots here. And also, if we srbi are not going there their country will not work. We are doing all their jobs. You will see Tesla went there. And no. He is not Croatian. That is lies.

But she have a lot of friends and they go over whole world. And, yes, everywhere you go people are speaking srpski. It's like that. But the biggest idiots are from Australia. Too much bad language. Someone needs to wash their tongue with soap.

Oohhh! Ukranians. They are cheating! She saw that. Do not to trust that. And also they are enemies for Russian. And Russians are best friends for us Serbs

And Dutch. She saw some of that. They want to put too many words for their names. No need for that. They want to think they are special.

And for British. He will know, because he is that. You are stiff people there and not know so much about good time. And also Spice Girls are the big rubbish. Enough of that.

Post: #197

(05-23-2018 12:17 PM)nola Wrote:  Are you guys getting laid yet?

My last lay was in Budapest like 3 weeks ago. I found the girls in Budapest to be 100x more easygoing than the women in Belgrade.

I'm not making excuses though. I think it's possible to have an amazing sex life in Belgrade. It just takes way more work and game than I'm used to. I'm actively working on upgrading every aspect of my life to make it happen.

Post: #198

Don't wanna be a party pooper but wasn't the whole purpose of going there getting laid? What the fuck are you doing then pissing around? Set up 10 Tinder dates and report back. You try to get laid from cold approach in SERBIA as a FOREIGNER (with no game probably). That is BOUND to crash and burn, hence why you barely try. Tell your Serbian bros to get you two good pics in a cafe and at the fortress, write a witty one-liner and swipe till your fingers bleed.

All the opening up talk is just sugar-coating the fact that you're not getting anywhere. Man up and start trying to get laid.

This needed to be addressed.

Post: #199

Its a bit of an odd one. Serbia really doesn't sound like the ideal place to try to lose your virginity Dragan, given its difficulty and complete lack of ONS culture. If you've been there a month at this stage and gotten no action thats extremely bad, given the much better rate of return you could be having in lots of other places.

Budapest is nearby and in summer is absolutely flooded with easy backpacker tourists. It might be worth your while getting a train up to there for a weekend or two, you'll have very good odds at having a one night stand there if you hit up the tourist bars like Szimpla. Or else head to the Croatian coast and do some beach parties there.

You're not going to be able to properly relax and do well on dates in my opinion until you get at least a couple of notches onto your bed post.

Post: #200

The question is why are you guys wasting your time in Belgrade why you get the same and even better quality in Ukraine, Russia or Belarus with much less work? And yeah I know what the answer would be: less goldiggers, less tourists, less Arabs, superior culture, friendlier people, better food etc etc.

If I want to bang Serbian girls I would go to Vienna they are way easier to crack there. Belgrade is just one of the hardest places in EE to get laid for a non local.