Post: #251

(06-04-2018 04:53 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What's up with weird avoiding the friends and they being mad on you?

Sociopath gaming mentor mad I didn't answer my phone to hang out in mid-set.

He was gonna fucking derail the whole set so I avoided him.

Post: #252

(06-04-2018 05:02 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Dragan you misunderstood me. I said don't be the western guy who worries about buying two dollar beers. I'm saying if you wanna buy them a beer, buy them a fucking beer without worrying and overanalyzing it.

I'm not saying go to splavs but from ur stories it seems like ur social circle is a bunch of low level dudes who are happy to have a foreigner friend they can use to show off. When you have a bunch of local guy friends you should be meeting girls through them and not other way around.

There's two types of western guys. One who goes to ee, decides every girl in heels is a gold digger, goes to a club and doesn't wanna go in because there's cover, sees a guy buy a girl a drink and thinks she's sleeping with him over a 5 dollar drink. Then there are the guys who go and own the city and use the enormous leverage that their background gives them and befriend cool guys and hot girls and don't sweat the small stuff and have the time of their lives.

Anyway it's your life so whatever you're comfortable with. Just seemed like you're at start of your journey so wanted to steer you to path with the better outcome.

Ok yeah. Maybe that's my problem too paranoid about buying girls shit. You're right.

I turned a corner with my friends, we hang out a lot more now on my terms. That simply means gaming. And it's been going really well. We all have fun and meet girls. I would not call them low level based on where they live, but yeah a lot of them are students. Leveraging the social circle more and more day by day. It is going well so far.

I certainly don't think a girl is gonna sleep with me because of a drink.

Thanks for the advise man.

Post: #253

(06-04-2018 05:17 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 04:53 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What's up with weird avoiding the friends and they being mad on you?

Sociopath gaming mentor mad I didn't answer my phone to hang out in mid-set.

He was gonna fucking derail the whole set so I avoided him.

Stop hanging out with weirdos. Why do you think he would derail the set?

Post: #254

(06-04-2018 05:52 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 05:17 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 04:53 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What's up with weird avoiding the friends and they being mad on you?

Sociopath gaming mentor mad I didn't answer my phone to hang out in mid-set.

He was gonna fucking derail the whole set so I avoided him.

Stop hanging out with weirdos. Why do you think he would derail the set?

Yeah, although maybe it's hotheadedness. Well, I thought he was gonna derail the set because he sounded pretty angry on the phone, and I think he was mad I was approaching without him.

Keeping in mind, right after I avoided him, the set went to insanity level.

So a good choice, all in all, I think.

Post: #255

Because he was envious, I reckon. This kind of thing has nothing to do with culture, it is a primal thing. You see somebody with a hot girl, and you want to take it from him.

Post: #256

(06-04-2018 07:41 AM)Cation Wrote:  Because he was envious, I reckon. This kind of thing has nothing to do with culture, it is a primal thing. You see somebody with a hot girl, and you want to take it from him.

I think you're right man. I always forget about that. It always starts as fun and games, but then shit gets more serious.

I may start gaming alone more. It may help me.

Post: #257

Never hurts to try 2 different things.

Post: #258

(06-04-2018 12:19 PM)Cation Wrote:  Never hurts to try 2 different things.

I'm gonna do more individual sets, but I'm encountering great success opening with wings.

Strangely enough, I've got a couple leads that are responsive to my messages, so now it's time to set up dates. (including the girl from yesterday).

edit: final exams are such a cockblock right now in Belgrade. Seriously.

Post: #259

Lived in Belgrade for 6 months - social circle game is definitely required there. It´s a closed off culture similiar to southern Europe (Spain,Italy,Greece) in my experience (like anywhere in the Balkans by the way). I´m quite surprised Krauser and his crew is doing great there with their daygame. With your already established social cirlce you are on the right path.

Post: #260

(06-05-2018 08:57 PM)blik_min Wrote:  Lived in Belgrade for 6 months - social circle game is definitely required there. It´s a closed off culture similiar to southern Europe (Spain,Italy,Greece) in my experience (like anywhere in the Balkans by the way). I´m quite surprised Krauser and his crew is doing great there with their daygame. With your already established social cirlce you are on the right path.

Social circle is really good, and I don't know why people are saying it's not. Maybe they haven't lived in Belgrade long term, agree completely with you. I think day-game success is probably exaggerated. People don't usually talk about their failures here, or all the effort it takes. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

Post: #261

5 sets today. Made amends with my wing, and I'm happy I did, because I learned a lot today.

1: In the park, two girls. Finally get the courage to approach. Realize too late it's a mother daughter duo. Ask for a lighter and basically get blown out. Only use the lighter opener if you see it, cigs, or the girls smoking.

2: Still in the park, two girls. They finally come over my way, and ask them something dumb, like, "are you the guides to the Belgrade tour?" They turn out to be gypsy girls. They keep walking.

3: Park. Make a circle of the park and find the next approachable girl. Ask for a cigarette, and start talking. I get some indicaiton of interest, but shortly thereafter, she says she wants to relax. Eject. Coincidentally another gypsy girl.

4: Going to the supermarket for cigarettes. See two girls outside. Buy my cigarettes and come back out to open them up. Get my cigarette lit with their lighter get some interest, they're just starting college apparently, good level of interest. One girl goes inside to buy cigs. I talk to the other girl and it seems like we're connecting well. As soon as the other girl comes outside, they say they have to leave.

5: Social circle set with my wing where we target two girls that are roommates(I don't know if he previously knew them).It's a bunch of his bohemian actor friends chilling in front of the apartments, maybe 5-6 guys us included, and 3 girls. These sets are much more low pressure for me. I'm told by him that bohemian/artistic girls are completely different than your typical belgrade girl--that is, they are much more open to stuff. Also, I'm told that you need to escalate heavily in a set to set it up for a ONS--keeping in mind this is advice from a serbian, not foreign gamer.This set must of started at about midnight for reference. Again the girls and everyone else for that matter are drinking beer, so it's a chill set. My wing translates the conversation not in english, and subtly encourages everyone, including the girls to speak in english for my benefit, what a class act. I just try to keep talking as much as possible. We're talking for hours. The relevant thing I want to talk about is kino/ massage. As the dudes start to leave around 3-4 am, he suggests massages for the girls. I don't know how he manages that. He teaches me how to massage one of the girls. I start around the shoulder blades, closer to the spine with both hands using my thumbs, and sort of go down further and further from there. The girl was enjoying it. Meanwhile my wing was doing the same thing with the other girl. I do several rounds of this, and the girl is really enjoying it. Later, I transition to massaging her calves. (Previously I had seen my wing do this on a set a few days ago with two girls on a park bench, and he got both their numbers.) His girl is really enjoying her massage, and he even gets her to lift her shirt a bit so he can do her lower back, he also massages her neck, and really seems to be into it. Anyway, this shit continues until every last man is gone except for the two of us. The girls are really fucking warm at this point to us. We walk back to their apartment and I'm not invited in. My wing goes inside. I have no doubt he's massaging them right now, preparing to rail them. He played "bum game" as soon as the massages ceased and I guess they invited him back to their apartment because he "had nowhere to sleep".

My takeaway from this set is the importance of massage/kino.

Post: #262

^^It's lame/low value to ask girls for a lighter, or even worse, for cigarrettes.

Post: #263

(06-05-2018 10:01 PM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^It's lame/low value to ask girls for a lighter, or even worse, for cigarrettes.

Maybe. I have had decent success with lighter opener but maybe I'm over-relying on it. Again, maybe only using it 50 percent or less of the time. I actually needed a cigarette and that's why I asked for one, didn't really give a fuck.

I'm pretty new to game so I'd take suggestions on opening, but I just try to keep it easy as possible for now.

edit: I have really bad approach anxiety so lighting up a cig definitely helps when I open a set, I don't think anyone is gonna judge me for smoking in serbia.

Post: #264

(06-05-2018 09:58 PM)Dragan Wrote:  We walk back to their apartment and I leave them there.

WHY?!?!

Post: #265

(06-05-2018 10:13 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 09:58 PM)Dragan Wrote:  We walk back to their apartment and I leave them there.

WHY?!?!

Mistake on the above post, I didn't leave them there, rather I wasn't invited in.

edit: corrected the mistake in the original post.

Post: #266

(06-05-2018 09:58 PM)Dragan Wrote:  My wing goes inside. I have no doubt he's massaging them right now, preparing to rail them. He played "bum game" as soon as the massages ceased and I guess they invited him back to their apartment because he "had nowhere to sleep".

My takeaway from this set is the importance of massage/kino.

Ouch. It would be funny though if he didn't get laid for all his effort at the end.

Post: #267

So your game mentor is a guy who gets angry when you dont answer his call and stalks you in his car and threatens you he will do stuff to you?

Seriously Dragan it sounds like you found the lowest dreg of society there and theyre all stepping on you to look cool in front of their low dreg friends.

Will be my last comment on this issue, i hope theyre just silly idiots because thats the best case scenario here.

Post: #268

Theres some dark triad tendencies, but that seems to be pretty common here... No he didnt stalk me in a car. Actually everyone seems to get mad if you dont answer the phone...

No. Not at all. Theyre pretty dedicated to getting me laid, so I owe them a lot. My social circle is growing exponentially...

Everyone here is a bit silly in their own way, including me.

I think my progress in gaming is self evident via my recent posts.

Post: #269

Dude, you massaged a girl and didn't escalate from that point?
If you massage a girl then it's 99.99% a guaranteed lay...massage relaxes the body, improves blood circulation, the girl gets comfy, even if your massage is lame she gets wet unless you're an ork looking dude which I am sure you are not!

Post: #270

(06-06-2018 08:32 AM)kuqezi Wrote:  Dude, you massaged a girl and didn't escalate from that point?
If you massage a girl then it's 99.99% a guaranteed lay...massage relaxes the body, improves blood circulation, the girl gets comfy, even if your massage is lame she gets wet unless you're an ork looking dude which I am sure you are not!

I am quite new to applying game, although I am familiar with game theory for a while. I don't know what the hell I was supposed to do, Serbian girls can be distant, I was following my wings directions. So, to be clear, he wasn't kissing his girl or anything like that, he was doing exactly the same things as me. It was already 5am when we left. I don't know how the hell he got invited to their apartment, how he phrased the shit, but I'm pretty sure he said he didn't have a place to stay. That's all I know.

Post: #271

(06-06-2018 08:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 08:32 AM)kuqezi Wrote:  Dude, you massaged a girl and didn't escalate from that point?
If you massage a girl then it's 99.99% a guaranteed lay...massage relaxes the body, improves blood circulation, the girl gets comfy, even if your massage is lame she gets wet unless you're an ork looking dude which I am sure you are not!

I am quite new to applying game, although I am familiar with game theory for a while. I don't know what the hell I was supposed to do, Serbian girls can be distant, I was following my wings directions. So, to be clear, he wasn't kissing his girl or anything like that, he was doing exactly the same things as me. It was already 5am when we left. I don't know how the hell he got invited to their apartment, how he phrased the shit, but I'm pretty sure he said he didn't have a place to stay. That's all I know.

I am not serbian but I am from the Balkans and I am positive if she let you massage her she opened a big door for you...you should've taken the lead from there.
How does this sound then:

- Did you like this girl enough? Is she bangable for you?
- Try to meet here again, alone this time.
- Suggest you'd like to give her another massage.
- Invite her over, make the room warm enough.
- Get some massage oil.
- Make her relax, start slow, her neck, her shoulders, her back, he calves, her feet...if necessary watch some videos on how to give a proper massage and how to concentrate on some erogenous zone.

ESCALATE from that point!
I am positive if you make the above happen you will lose your virginity!
Good luck brother!

Post: #272

(06-06-2018 08:45 AM)kuqezi Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 08:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 08:32 AM)kuqezi Wrote:  Dude, you massaged a girl and didn't escalate from that point?
If you massage a girl then it's 99.99% a guaranteed lay...massage relaxes the body, improves blood circulation, the girl gets comfy, even if your massage is lame she gets wet unless you're an ork looking dude which I am sure you are not!

I am quite new to applying game, although I am familiar with game theory for a while. I don't know what the hell I was supposed to do, Serbian girls can be distant, I was following my wings directions. So, to be clear, he wasn't kissing his girl or anything like that, he was doing exactly the same things as me. It was already 5am when we left. I don't know how the hell he got invited to their apartment, how he phrased the shit, but I'm pretty sure he said he didn't have a place to stay. That's all I know.

I am not serbian but I am from the Balkans and I am positive if she let you massage her she opened a big door for you...you should've taken the lead from there.
How does this sound then:

- Did you like this girl enough? Is she bangable for you?
- Try to meet here again, alone this time.
- Suggest you'd like to give her another massage.
- Invite her over, make the room warm enough.
- Get some massage oil.
- Make her relax, start slow, her neck, her shoulders, her back, he calves, her feet...if necessary watch some videos on how to give a proper massage and how to concentrate on some erogenous zone.

ESCALATE from that point!
I am positive if you make the above happen you will lose your virginity!
Good luck brother!

I don't even feel like gathering numbers anymore, I almost just feel like going for a ONS every approach. Maybe it will yield results.

Did I like? No, borderline bangable, a bit to chubby for me according to even my somewhat low american standards. I didn't feel it at all.

Meet her again? Possibly, but I have some other numbers in the pipeline and more daygaming to do.

Massage? Maybe.

Thank you for the advise, especially being from the balkans, I really appreciate it.

Post: #273

I'm still haunted by memories of times when I knew I could have closed a girl but backed off. Every guy has dealt with these situations in the past.

The solution?

Always err on the side of being too aggressive rather than too passive. You want to be socially calibrated, of course, so it's good to be patient and know when to strike.

But generally speaking, you always have to keep in mind that the end goal is to fuck her.

I would rather deal with rejection or a girl telling me to back off rather than the thought of knowing that I probably could have fucked her if I had done more.

Like the other members said, if a girl is letting you massage her like that, that's a really clear signal that she would probably let you fuck her.

I feel guilty because I've written in this thread about how it usually takes 2-3 dates to get the bang in Serbia. Just to be clear, getting a ONS is always a possibility in Belgrade. Women are extremely sexual beings and anything can happen. There are no hard rules in life.

Dragan, you'll have to develop your own "killer instinct" and learn to sense when a girl wants you to escalate with her. This will come with time and many experiences with women.

BTW, great job putting yourself in a position to massage some girls with your wing. If you stay persistent at using unique angles like this (and escalate) you will get your girl.

Post: #274

(06-06-2018 01:51 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  I'm still haunted by memories of times when I knew I could have closed a girl but backed off. Every guy has dealt with these situations in the past.

The solution?

Always err on the side of being too aggressive rather than too passive. You want to be socially calibrated, of course, so it's good to be patient and know when to strike.

But generally speaking, you always have to keep in mind that the end goal is to fuck her.

I would rather deal with rejection or a girl telling me to back off rather than the thought of knowing that I probably could have fucked her if I had done more.

Like the other members said, if a girl is letting you massage her like that, that's a really clear signal that she would probably let you fuck her.

I feel guilty because I've written in this thread about how it usually takes 2-3 dates to get the bang in Serbia. Just to be clear, getting a ONS is always a possibility in Belgrade. Women are extremely sexual beings and anything can happen. There are no hard rules in life.

Dragan, you'll have to develop your own "killer instinct" and learn to sense when a girl wants you to escalate with her. This will come with time and many experiences with women.

BTW, great job putting yourself in a position to massage some girls with your wing. If you stay persistent at using unique angles like this (and escalate) you will get your girl.

Hey I'm haunted too, I'll get to that in a second.

Aggressive=good , just don't be a creepy.

The massage worked, I just got off the phone with my wing. I made a mistake.

I wasn't vibing with the girl at all, was just not attracted.

I was invited back, I guess I was not giving a fuck. I missed this bit of conversation. At the door, I was apparently invited in again. Sometimes you miss shit I guess.

My wing got some BJs, handjobs etc from both girls. That's all I know.

Big mistake on my part.

Post: #275

So how exactly do you and your wing not talk at the entrance of their apartment?

He doesnt tell you "dude why dont you wanna come in", for example?

A way more likely scneario is he told the girls to ditch you.