Post: #26

(10-17-2017 10:37 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:56 AM)Striking Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:32 AM)Cobra Wrote:  To OP:

Diminishing the relevance of the friendzone is a great way to a) stay there and b) not get laid.

Be careful about over analyzing.

I don't think he's over analyzing. He's got it right. If he likes being in the friendzone of a girl he's really into then so be it. I've known average guys that have gotten really hot girlfriends after being friends with them for years - now that's what you call long game (or beta feeble man game lol). Some girls are like that and if you're a low T man, then perhaps it's not such a bad idea.

But OP don't do mental gymnastics - you're in the friendzone. Don't be ashamed of who you are, as long as you enjoy it.

So how many of these "average guys" that "have gotten really hot really hot girlfriends" by hanging around with them as friends for years have you known exactly? I cant recall a single time thats happened ...except in some cheesy Hollywood movies

Personally I dont think hanging around watching while a girl youre attracted to enjoys the cockathon for years waiting for her in the hopes she decides its your turn to get some of that 100k mile pussy is a strategy Id endorse. But thats just me

So I'm not sure where the disconnect is regarding how "you" feel about the friendzone versus the reality of the friendzone.

Friendzones are not okay because it provides women resources and attention for free. You may "feel" otherwise but the fact that it's a longer path or no path at all doesn't change.

Develop your game and try not to make up things like "the friendzone is okay." If you do that you've already landed there and there is no flight back.

Edit: the only girls I know that have gotten with guys after being "friends" with them for years have either a)rid the cock carousel while getting emotional support from said friend or b) hit the wall. Usually it's both.

Post: #27

^ As Cobra points out, understand also why the chump "got" the girl: She wasn't desired by those she desired anymore. And people wonder why these divorce rates are so high ... lol

Thirst is real, but so is the cock carousel

Be aware of the first, buyer beware of the second

Post: #28

I’m never just friends with a girl I want to bang. I either get the lay, or if it’s not gonna happen I respectfully part ways. I have no interest in orbiting in hopes of eventually getting laid.

I can only be friends with a woman if a) I’m not physically attracted to her, and b) she’s got a cool personality I can tolerate being around.

Post: #29

(10-17-2017 04:32 AM)Suits Wrote:  Currently, for me the biggest fear is ending up in the "player zone" where I'm so damn irresistible that girls literally steal my phone just to get their hands on my number.

Only the chosen few know.

Last thursday I suspect some overweight girl at the club I was grinding on pick pocketed me for my phone to make sure I stayed with her for the duration of night.
Tried to pull through for the sake of getting it back but tried fingering her on the dance floor but couldn't get past the blubber,and decided my dignity and the bottle of redwine I had included in the pitch to get back to her crib was worth more.

I guess broke college chicks gotta fence what they can get every once in a while to fund that frappechino soy latte habit these days.....the government talks about making drugs illegal to prevent addicts from creating crime how about making starbucks illegal to prevent obese white bitches from stealing iphones to get their low fat whip cream on top of a 1000 calories of ice cream fix.

Post: #30

(10-17-2017 10:20 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Question.

Has anyone gotten into a woman's friendzone and gotten good enough friends (rather than her just using you as an emotional tampon) where she's hooked you up with one of HER friends?

As much as she might want to help, the odds would probably be against it because if she doesn't see you as good enough she might have a hard time convincing her friends you are. So if she did hand you off to a friend it would probably be someone really desperate.

But I'd like to hear people's stories (if any) on this front.

I've seen this one mentioned as a possibility several times over the years. More recently, I saw it offered up for comment, and the response was a resounding "No" for exactly the reason you gave yourself.

Post: #31

(10-18-2017 01:16 AM)SteezeySteve Wrote:  Last thursday I suspect some overweight girl at the club I was grinding on pick pocketed me for my phone to make sure I stayed with her for the duration of night.

How many times now has your phone been stolen by women so desperate to get with you, that they resorted to petty theft?

Post: #32

The friendzone is like a no go zone for men.

There is no incentive for the friend zone, except self sabotage or self hate, i.e. to get some attention.

There is no point in staying in that gray area, of no sex zone.

Life is short and full of possiblity, unfortunately the friendzone, is not a viable option.

Its actually very normal for men to simply move on, accept there failures in life, and move on to the next possible lay.

Some men can't deal with failure very well.

Friend zone = no lay possibility = move on with your damn life.

Post: #33

The friendzone is a real thing, but it's mostly a self inflicted wound. And it shouldn't be a surprise that women have a slight instinct to foster a situation that's hugely to their benefit, but it's up to YOU to be strong and self aware enough to protect yourself.

Post: #34

(10-17-2017 03:38 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  I’m never just friends with a girl I want to bang. I either get the lay, or if it’s not gonna happen I respectfully part ways. I have no interest in orbiting in hopes of eventually getting laid.

I can only be friends with a woman if a) I’m not physically attracted to her, and b) she’s got a cool personality I can tolerate being around.

100% Spot on.

Post: #35

(10-18-2017 03:23 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:16 AM)SteezeySteve Wrote:  Last thursday I suspect some overweight girl at the club I was grinding on pick pocketed me for my phone to make sure I stayed with her for the duration of night.

How many times now has your phone been stolen by women so desperate to get with you, that they resorted to petty theft?

Some really nerdy dudes have been known to talk about imaginary girlfriends that live far away and shit.

This is first case of imaginary phone I've ever heard of

Post: #36

(10-17-2017 10:20 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Question.

Has anyone gotten into a woman's friendzone and gotten good enough friends (rather than her just using you as an emotional tampon) where she's hooked you up with one of HER friends?

As much as she might want to help, the odds would probably be against it because if she doesn't see you as good enough she might have a hard time convincing her friends you are. So if she did hand you off to a friend it would probably be someone really desperate.

But I'd like to hear people's stories (if any) on this front.

Consider you're with a buddy and he says "Hey man, I know this girl that you should meet. I wouldn't fuck her, but you should go for it!" Not a very strong selling point

Now consider that women are undoubtedly more concerned about their perception among their friends than men are.

Post: #37

I think the meaning of the term has changed a bit over the years. I used to understand it as a guy and girl meet and become friends and the guy starts to feel attraction for the girl but the friendship is so well established that he perceives it as risky to escalate. If the girl doesn't reciprocate then the friendship is over and the guy perceives the friendship as being worthwhile enough that he doesn't want to take this risk. As time goes on it becomes more difficult.

This is definitely "a thing." It's the man's responsibility to state his intentions early on and more importantly to not be seeking out platonic female friends in the first place.

Maybe the social dynamics have changed to where this malicious parasitic attention gobbling you guys are describing is more common, but I'm not seeing the distinction between this and orbiting. Either way it's obviously a poor and undignified strategy.

Post: #38

As a man that has gotten himself friend zoned on a few occasions: please take this topic seriously. You might get a second chance; but when does that rarely happen?

I have had a few flat out flashing neon sign indicators that a chick wanted me to fuck her and I blew it. (It happened a few times on my yearly vacations to Europe.)

I drink alcohol and it acts like an instantanios kryptonite, do not give a fuck drug: against taking the pussy. So, for what ever reason...this friend zone shit is real. Either you miss opportunities and hold onto a hope you can change things. Or people hang around hoping the chick will eventually like them. 99.979% of the time it will not work.

Women, like many opportunities in life, you get a one shot chance of igniting a fuse and making shit happen. There will be plenty of fuses to light. But you have to be ready to pull the trigger and do it then and there.

Hesitation is a mother fucker!

Post: #39

(10-18-2017 03:57 PM)younggun Wrote:  Consider you're with a buddy and he says "Hey man, I know this girl that you should meet. I wouldn't fuck her, but you should go for it!" Not a very strong selling point

I actually had that happen to me, sort of. I work for a small startup and there's a fuzzy line between work and personal life. So my boss gets smashed and he knows I'm hard up for a drama-free F-buddy he says he wants to hook me up on a blind date with a long-time friend of his that he seems to think would be great for me. She's bisexual and really low-maintenance and I'm thinking she's a NAWALT of some kind. At the time I was still fairly new and did not want to keep blurring the line so I didn't press the issue after he sobered up. Anyway, she's since gotten married and I always wondered what she looked like to know whether I was missing out on anything. My mental image was assuming she was a 5 or a 6, sort of a mixture of tomboy and slut. My coworker finally dug out a single pic he has of her on his cell phone and I'd say she's a 3 (mostly due to her face). Did not pass the boner test.

Post: #40

The question of the definition of "friend zone" is really pretty simple.

Female sexual attraction to a man is not a choice. It is essentially a cumulative "effect". It's "cause" is a combination of the physical and emotional stimuli created by a guy. whether knowingly or unknowingly.

"Game" is simply understanding the elements of the stimuli required to maximize the chance to induce a woman's involuntary attraction response and consciously applying that knowledge

Female sexual attraction to a man is not a choice. If a guy fails to create the necessary sexual attraction then she does not consider him sexually...therefore he is in her "friend-zone".

Post: #41

Answer: yes

How to get out of being put in the friend-zone: become more attractive (physically & mentally)

Post: #42

(10-28-2017 09:59 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  The question of the definition of "friend zone" is really pretty simple.

Female sexual attraction to a man is not a choice. It is essentially a cumulative "effect". It's "cause" is a combination of the physical and emotional stimuli created by a guy. whether knowingly or unknowingly.

"Game" is simply understanding the elements of the stimuli required to maximize the chance to induce a woman's involuntary attraction response and consciously applying that knowledge

Female sexual attraction to a man is not a choice. If a guy fails to create the necessary sexual attraction then she does not consider him sexually...therefore he is in her "friend-zone".

Wondering if you think male attraction to female is "not a choice", or you are just being specific to the people here since it is about women and stating that "Men's attraction isn't a choice" is therefore irrelevant.

Post: #43

^^^ my understanding is that attraction for both sexes is not a choice. As said above game can help you trigger that attraction.