Post: #26

Can you explain the lodging situation a bit?

Post: #27

(09-09-2011 01:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Can you explain the lodging situation a bit?

I'm staying at Hotel Stureplan. It's an upper end hotel that is practically beside Sturecompagniet and Laroy (clubs) and short walking distance to almost every club in this area. Hotels are pricey in Stockholm, but you do save on time, taxis, and cover at clubs. It is also beside Sturegallerian (shopping mall) where La Cafe is located and near Barreseo (another great day game spot - it's a Salon&Cafe, good looking younger girls).

There aren't really any budget accommodations in Stockholm central, you will have to venture much further out. Metros, from what I understand, only run till 130, so if you did find a budget accommodation, you will paying for a very hefty taxi cost (compared to NA) after a night out. I would bypass notions of staying at hostels in Stockholm (I think it comes across pretty uncool). A better option is something like AirBNB or couchsurfing, where you can say you are crashing at a friend's place.

Post: #28

I left Stockholm yesterday.

In terms of women I was not too impressed with the city. The average Swedish woman is a 4 at best. If you have a stereotype of blonde haired blue-eyed barbie dolls, you will be disappointed. Only 15-20% of swedish girls seems to be natural blondes and they age noticably badly.

I couchsurfed so I was able to stay a week otherwise I would have had to leave after a few days the place is so damn expensive.

Nightlife in Stureplan I was told by my host was 'snooty and pretentious' but I have a better word for it. Hypergamous.

More down to earth rock bars can be found though like Anchor, Garlic & Shots and Harry B James. I was told a bar called Rocks was a good option on Fri and Sat also.

This is a good website for whats rocking in Stockholm

http://www.cityrock.net/en/

Sodermalm district is more down to earth and more my kind of scene.

Tip : Systembolaget is a state owned chain shop that has a monopoly on selling alcohol so stock up there and get your drink on before leaving to hit the bars if you don't want to bankrupt yourself. Weak beers and things like that are available from places like 7/11 but they are not allowed to sell anything over 3.5% so Systembolaget is your friend.

Apart from that I would suggest getting out of Stockholm and hitting :

- Uppsala (student town) and
- Gothenburg, like a smaller Stockholm but more friendly and with a decent student population also

Trains in Sweden have places to plug in your laptop and you can buy a wifi code if you want internet. Book in advance for best prices here :

http://www.sj.se

The hottest girl I saw in Sweden was in Uppsala at the bus stop. Solid 9. Long blonde hair, blue eyes and model looks. I assumed she was Swedish. I spoke to her. She was Portugese. She was a student and had only been there a week.

For both Uppsala and Gothenburg you need to tap into the student scene to find the decent parties. In Uppsala they happen in what they call student nations. Get yourself a false student ID card and you will be set.

One more tip. If you are going to leave to the baltics (to Finland or Estonia for example) from Stockholm, take an overnight ferry.

A guy I spoke to in Stockholm said people party on the ferry because booze is cheap and it was easy to get laid. He recommended Viking ferry company.

At first I thought he was taking the piss because it looked like I was the only person there under the age of 60 and over the age of 10.

He was not wrong though. You have to filter out all of the family groups and OAPs which make up the majority of the passengers and find yourself a diamond.

Total number of sets opened : 1

Time from meeting to sex : 30 mins

I just sat at the table next to her and said 'hi'. She asked me to dance and I took it from there. Danced with her not so good looking friend too for a bit to get her on my side and prevent a cockblock.

After about 20 mins she invivted me to her cabin 'for a drink'. Downed some whiskey and claimed my Sri Lankan flag. Good thing too as it's damn near impossible to claim that flag in Sri Lanka itself. My first flag claimed in international waters too. A double first.

Gonna meet the chick later tonight and spend the weekend banging her.

Post: #29

The stockholm to helsinki ferry was a fuckfest 27 years ago too. Nice.

Post: #30

(09-10-2011 07:05 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  I left Stockholm yesterday.

In terms of women I was not too impressed with the city. The average Swedish woman is a 4 at best. If you have a stereotype of blonde haired blue-eyed barbie dolls, you will be disappointed. Only 15-20% of swedish girls seems to be natural blondes and they age noticably badly.

I couchsurfed so I was able to stay a week otherwise I would have had to leave after a few days the place is so damn expensive.

Nightlife in Stureplan I was told by my host was 'snooty and pretentious' but I have a better word for it. Hypergamous.

More down to earth rock bars can be found though like Anchor, Garlic & Shots and Harry B James. I was told a bar called Rocks was a good option on Fri and Sat also.

This is a good website for whats rocking in Stockholm

http://www.cityrock.net/en/

Sodermalm district is more down to earth and more my kind of scene.

Tip : Systembolaget is a state owned chain shop that has a monopoly on selling alcohol so stock up there and get your drink on before leaving to hit the bars if you don't want to bankrupt yourself. Weak beers and things like that are available from places like 7/11 but they are not allowed to sell anything over 3.5% so Systembolaget is your friend.

Apart from that I would suggest getting out of Stockholm and hitting :

- Uppsala (student town) and
- Gothenburg, like a smaller Stockholm but more friendly and with a decent student population also

Trains in Sweden have places to plug in your laptop and you can buy a wifi code if you want internet. Book in advance for best prices here :

http://www.sj.se

The hottest girl I saw in Sweden was in Uppsala at the bus stop. Solid 9. Long blonde hair, blue eyes and model looks. I assumed she was Swedish. I spoke to her. She was Portugese. She was a student and had only been there a week.

For both Uppsala and Gothenburg you need to tap into the student scene to find the decent parties. In Uppsala they happen in what they call student nations. Get yourself a false student ID card and you will be set.

One more tip. If you are going to leave to the baltics (to Finland or Estonia for example) from Stockholm, take an overnight ferry.

A guy I spoke to in Stockholm said people party on the ferry because booze is cheap and it was easy to get laid. He recommended Viking ferry company.

At first I thought he was taking the piss because it looked like I was the only person there under the age of 60 and over the age of 10.

He was not wrong though. You have to filter out all of the family groups and OAPs which make up the majority of the passengers and find yourself a diamond.

Total number of sets opened : 1

Time from meeting to sex : 30 mins

I just sat at the table next to her and said 'hi'. She asked me to dance and I took it from there. Danced with her not so good looking friend too for a bit to get her on my side and prevent a cockblock.

After about 20 mins she invivted me to her cabin 'for a drink'. Downed some whiskey and claimed my Sri Lankan flag. Good thing too as it's damn near impossible to claim that flag in Sri Lanka itself. My first flag claimed in international waters too. A double first.

Gonna meet the chick later tonight and spend the weekend banging her.

A bit unrelated, but the easiest place in the world to land a Sri Lankan flag is Melbourne, Australia

Your trip report goes against so many others on Sweden, including Luckystar's experiences so far. If the average Swedish woman is a 4, then what would you call the average American/British/Australian woman? In my humble opinion, the average Anglo girl is a 5. Despite overhypeing, I would expect Sweden to be at least a full point higher, not lower.

Post: #31

Lumiere's report sounds eerily similar to what I felt about Denmark, especially with the hottest girl not being a native.

I've done some thinking about the mixed reports coming out of Sweden.

The positive reports are coming from black guys while neutral or negative reports are coming from white guys. I believe there are two reasons for this:

1. Black guys (from USA) have it easier. This topic has been discussed here. White guys, especially ones that look Swedish with fair features, have to work for it, perhaps harder than places with more attractive women in Eastern Europe.

2. Black guys and white guys don't view white girls the same way. White guys value face just as much (if not more) than body. Black guys value a white girl's body more than her face, generally preferring thickness. Nothing is wrong with that, but there is not a lot of overlap of what white and black guys would prefer in Sweden. Tastes are different.

So black guys go to Sweden and get warm responses from the girls they're attracted to. White guys go, have a smaller pool they are attracted to, and also have to work harder to get it. This is just my hypothesis, and to test it out I will unfortunately have to go to Sweden one day, preferably after I forget how bad Denmark was.

Indian guys like Luckystar are perhaps wildcards. I'm very curious what he thinks of the country.

Post: #32

Roosh - White guys go to Sweden and get NO play then bash the place. To say the average Swedish girl is a 4 is the dumbest statement of the year on this site. So that would make USA a minus 5 in comparison. Obviously, this pains alot of guys to see black guys get a easier time of it in a place that is known for it's women.

I do not recall seeing many thick girls there, Icelandic women are noticably thicker and more well fed then Swedish girls. As a black man I look at a girls face, I don't get swayed by the hair. If you do this test you realize alot of girls are not facially pretty in most places you will visit. The peroxide blonde look does get a bit played out, personally I found the brunettes to be much better looking.

I will also vouch for Luckystar, he is not your typical stereotypical indian guy.

Post: #33

(09-10-2011 08:16 AM)P Dog Wrote:  If the average Swedish woman is a 4, then what would you call the average American/British/Australian woman?

3

Post: #34

I've tried hard to remain very neutral when commenting on my native country unless I've been specifically asked, but there's a a couple of things that needs to be cleared up with regard to Stockholm right here.

Stockholm is a great place to visit due to being a beautiful city with a very rich cultural heritage. It's however also the Monaco of Northern Europe. A playground for affluent ex-pats, international movers & shakers, modelling hopefuls and the Scandinavian elite. The inner city (which is basically the only part visitors will come in contact with) carries a high degree of non-nationals not completely unlike Kuala Lumpur or Manhattan. Stockholm is the most expensive city in one of the most heavily taxed and well-off countries in the world. With that said, if you are going to Sweden with your main objective to recruit talent, DON'T GO TO STOCKHOLM - UNLESS you have a serious bankroll, UNLESS you have great looks, UNLESS you have an "in" on an influential social circle. The ROI is simply not good enough.

Personally, I dislike Stockholm. I consider it a cliquish, shallow cesspool made up of a few genuine successful people and their throngs of hang-around wannabes and their inflated opinion of their station. I can't find the link right now (it's in academic Swedish anyhow) but there was a report released about 6 months ago that concluded that visitors to Stureplan (the main nightlife district in Sthlm) generally did not have a good time when going out. They were however willing to endure expensive drink prices, exorbitant cover charges, long lines to the door and snotty attitudes just in order to be able to be seen out 6 about. Status chasing is extremely important in this city and I want to underline that Sthlm is an anomaly with regard to the mentality of the rest of he nation.

I'll get to work on a more in depth on a data sheet on when and where to go in Sweden in order to provide a better experience. might get it down in a week or two.

Lumiere:
Wow, you must have really had some extremely bad experiences considering how low you rate the Swedish girls. I've never seen such a low appraisal of them. FYI though the percentage of blondes among ethnic Swedes are about 60% http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_of_eu...air_colour
You'd have to go to northern Sweden to really meet the droves of fair haired women. Stockholm which has something like 30% non-swedish inhabitants will understandably have far fewer blondes.

Post: #35

I'll chime on the rating scale...

IMO, I don't think you should come to Sweden for the average girl. The average girl here is actually not very impressive. Although, I wouldn't say she's a 4. Here's the thing about Stockholm...Ostermalm is full of 7+ girls. It is a target rich, quality rich area. IMO, you come to Stockholm for Stureplan. Otherwise, just go to Fargo, ND.

Stureplan is not the right scene for everyone. Hell, I don't know if it's the right scene for me. But if you like the pretentious, narcissistic crowds like those in NYC or LA, this is a place you should check out.

I do agree with Lumiere that Swedish girls do not appear to age well. Yet, many of the teenagers here are hot little numbers (at least in Ostermalm). I often feel like the Big Bad Wolf circling these Little Red Riding Hoods. They are very shy and flakey - not surprising as I am an intimidating looking guy. I needed to disarm myself constantly with them.

This will be my last night out at the clubs in Stockholm. I will have a nightlife rundown soon, along with final thoughts. Oh Rude, that girl Emma...mission accomplished. She's spitting image of the girl from this Eric Prydz video below - smaller tits tho. I'll have a little tidbit on how that went down as well. Currently working on a second impregnation before I leave.

Post: #36

(09-10-2011 10:00 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Luckystar, he is not your typical stereotypical indian guy.

No doubt, I'm definitely top of the food chain for my background...from a physical appearance standpoint anyway. 6'1, 198lbs, athletic build, tats, great hair and style, rugged good looks, etc. My experiences are pretty unique, as such.

Post: #37

(09-10-2011 10:58 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Stockholm is a great place to visit due to being a beautiful city with a very rich cultural heritage. It's however also the Monaco of Northern Europe. A playground for affluent ex-pats, international movers & shakers, modelling hopefuls and the Scandinavian elite. The inner city (which is basically the only part visitors will come in contact with) carries a high degree of non-nationals not completely unlike Kuala Lumpur or Manhattan. Stockholm is the most expensive city in one of the most heavily taxed and well-off countries in the world. With that said, if you are going to Sweden with your main objective to recruit talent, DON'T GO TO STOCKHOLM - UNLESS you have a serious bankroll, UNLESS you have great looks, UNLESS you have an "in" on an influential social circle. The ROI is simply not good enough.

Personally, I dislike Stockholm. I consider it a cliquish, shallow cesspool made up of a few genuine successful people and their throngs of hang-around wannabes and their inflated opinion of their station. I can't find the link right now (it's in academic Swedish anyhow) but there was a report released about 6 months ago that concluded that visitors to Stureplan (the main nightlife district in Sthlm) generally did not have a good time when going out. They were however willing to endure expensive drink prices, exorbitant cover charges, long lines to the door and snotty attitudes just in order to be able to be seen out 6 about. Status chasing is extremely important in this city and I want to underline that Sthlm is an anomaly with regard to the mentality of the rest of he nation.

100% on point. Although I have been having success with street game. I am not having the best time in the clubs. It's not because I don't have cash, I'm definitely not hurtin with looks, I am comfortable rolling solo.... it's just your really get the sense that social proofing/status is THE biggest factor for success. At times, you feel as thought you are getting measured very carefully in this respect in these venues. I was messaging Vicious the other day that I wish I had some boys with me in Stockholm, I think it would have been more fruitful and fun. Still one night to go though, so who knows....maybe something will happen tonight.

It's also worth pointing out that PUAs (I hate the term) for years have been singing praises of day game in Stockholm. I definitely think it's warranted.

Post: #38

(09-10-2011 11:10 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  I do agree with Lumiere that Swedish girls do not appear to age well.

The older ladies you'll see in the Stockholm inner city are typically career women that has had to work twice as hard and long as their male equivalent to get where they are at. I'd be interesting to see if your view on this changes once you get outside Stockholm.

(09-10-2011 11:10 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  It's also worth pointing out that PUAs (I hate the term) for years have been singing praises of day game in Stockholm. I definitely think it's warranted.

Oh definitely, day game is where it's at in Sweden period since Swedish men sadly are spineless in this regard. I met my current ex-model, management consultant old-money squeeze at a job fair. You think I would have had a shot at her in a nightclub when she's wearing wearing high heels (and thus 2" higher than me) and surrounded by horny guys and blasting music? Hell no!

Post: #39

An average Swedish girl is a 4?

Damn, thats harsh. You must really hate blondes.

I like faces a lot, and Swedish girls had cute faces.
Here's what I can say, Stockholm is far superior to Toronto, and somewhat better than Bangkok(because I like blondes more than Asians so it may be my personal preference).

Also, I found that Sweden had a huge number of MILFS.
Swedish girls age a helluva lot of better than Canadian girls. But then again Toronto women are horrible to compare to that so I'm not going to comment on that.

The good thing about Sweden is that everybody speaks English very well.

Anybody here tried out Collage nightclub, I had a good time there.

Did you guys go out solo?

18 years old and was thus hitting on 15-20 year old women. As Luckystar said Sweden has amazing look girls at that age(they are very mature too). Perhaps thats why I fell in love and thats why other members don't like it. However, all I remember is hot women everywhere.

Post: #40

Here's the club I visited. Free entry because my friends signed all of on the online guest list.
http://www.collagestockholm.com/blogg/category/bilder/

What does the forum think of these girls?

Post: #41

(09-10-2011 02:32 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Here's the club I visited. Free entry because my friends signed all of on the online guest list.
http://www.collagestockholm.com/blogg/category/bilder/

What does the forum think of these girls?

Wow. If Swedish women are on average a 4. Then women in DC are on average a NEGATIVE 40! Got Damn!

Post: #42

(09-10-2011 08:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The positive reports are coming from black guys while neutral or negative reports are coming from white guys. I believe there are two reasons for this:

1. Black guys (from USA) have it easier. This topic has been discussed here. White guys, especially ones that look Swedish with fair features, have to work for it, perhaps harder than places with more attractive women in Eastern Europe.

2. Black guys and white guys don't view white girls the same way. White guys value face just as much (if not more) than body. Black guys value a white girl's body more than her face, generally preferring thickness. Nothing is wrong with that, but there is not a lot of overlap of what white and black guys would prefer in Sweden. Tastes are different.

So black guys go to Sweden and get warm responses from the girls they're attracted to. White guys go, have a smaller pool they are attracted to, and also have to work harder to get it. This is just my hypothesis, and to test it out I will unfortunately have to go to Sweden one day, preferably after I forget how bad Denmark was.

I can't speak for all brothas...but, I like a more Nordic-type look as opposed to an Anglo-Saxon look. Hard to explain, but to give an idea of what type of look that I'm down with, peep the girl in the middle of the pic (the girl wearing glasses is juicy too):

http://bp1.blogger.com/_I7bteuPdwDM/R7MS...G_0047.JPG

I do, however, agree that Black American guys melt the panties off Nordic women.

Post: #43

(09-10-2011 03:37 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(09-10-2011 08:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The positive reports are coming from black guys while neutral or negative reports are coming from white guys. I believe there are two reasons for this:

1. Black guys (from USA) have it easier. This topic has been discussed here. White guys, especially ones that look Swedish with fair features, have to work for it, perhaps harder than places with more attractive women in Eastern Europe.

2. Black guys and white guys don't view white girls the same way. White guys value face just as much (if not more) than body. Black guys value a white girl's body more than her face, generally preferring thickness. Nothing is wrong with that, but there is not a lot of overlap of what white and black guys would prefer in Sweden. Tastes are different.

So black guys go to Sweden and get warm responses from the girls they're attracted to. White guys go, have a smaller pool they are attracted to, and also have to work harder to get it. This is just my hypothesis, and to test it out I will unfortunately have to go to Sweden one day, preferably after I forget how bad Denmark was.

I can't speak for all brothas...but, I like a more Nordic-type look as opposed to an Anglo-Saxon look. Hard to explain, but to give an idea of what type of look that I'm down with, peep the girl in the middle of the pic (the girl wearing glasses is juicy too):

http://bp1.blogger.com/_I7bteuPdwDM/R7MS...G_0047.JPG

I do, however, agree that Black American guys melt the panties off Nordic women.

she looks like a 10 in the face. any guy will find this girl extremely attractive.

Post: #44

(09-10-2011 03:37 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  http://bp1.blogger.com/_I7bteuPdwDM/R7MS...G_0047.JPG

Yep, those two on the right. Incidentally, I have seen many Russian girls with that similar look. They are equal in beauty. So, for the guys that don't have success in Sweden, maybe going to Russia or Ukraine is a better option.

Post: #45

(09-10-2011 03:31 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(09-10-2011 02:32 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Here's the club I visited. Free entry because my friends signed all of on the online guest list.
http://www.collagestockholm.com/blogg/category/bilder/

What does the forum think of these girls?

Wow. If Swedish women are on average a 4. Then women in DC are on average a NEGATIVE 40! Got Damn!

Yeah, they put Toronto talent to shame too.
Vicous, whats your input on the clubs quality?

Post: #46

I live in Sweden, Malmoe more precisely..And Lumiere is right, the average swedish girl isn´t beautiful. A 5, top 6 at best. What you guys see at Stureplan and Östermalm are girls from high society. Crem alá crem. Semi-models, famous bloggers, C-D celebrities etc. I understand Lumiere´s view on reality. Once you hit the streets, and leave the urban area. You will witness pretty fast that Swedish girls aren´t more average than lets say, Cali girls.

Which you can´t say about Ukrainian girls...

Post: #47

(09-10-2011 04:40 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Yeah, they put Toronto talent to shame too.
Vicous, whats your input on the clubs quality?

I avoid clubs unless it's early in the evening or I have an "in" like the places in GBG where I'm VIP. Comparing those places to the one in the link I'd say the one in the link doesn't have all that much going for it with regard to quality talent.

(09-10-2011 05:43 PM)DadaLand Wrote:  I live in Sweden, Malmoe more precisely..And Lumiere is right, the average swedish girl isn´t beautiful. A 5, top 6 at best. What you guys see at Stureplan and Östermalm are girls from high society. Crem alá crem. Semi-models, famous bloggers, C-D celebrities etc.

Are you Swedish or do you just live in Sweden? Either way I have to say I don't agree at all with your assessment on Stureplan/Östermalms nightlife population. Your view is the one I hear from the typical out-of-towner looking in at the Stockholm scene. The math just doesn't work out! There are probably 4000-5000 people in all the of the circa two dozen clubs/restaurants in this area on any given Saturday. Maybe 2-3% make up high society, models and celebs (that's still >100 people!), the rest are just hang-arounds, wannabes and regular people. The ones the clubs make their money on.

Quote:Once you hit the streets, and leave the urban area. You will witness pretty fast that Swedish girls aren´t more average than lets say, Cali girls.

From the way you phrase it I don't really understand which way you're going here (what does aren't more average mean?). But comparing Swedish girls to the ones in California??? I just came back from Las Vegas and having dealt with the Cali girls for a week I can think of more and stronger similarities between Swedish girls and Brazilians than Cali...

Post: #48

(09-10-2011 06:39 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(09-10-2011 04:40 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Yeah, they put Toronto talent to shame too.
Vicous, whats your input on the clubs quality?

I avoid clubs unless it's early in the evening or I have an "in" like the places in GBG where I'm VIP. Comparing those places to the one in the link I'd say the one in the link doesn't have all that much going for it with regard to quality talent.

(09-10-2011 05:43 PM)DadaLand Wrote:  I live in Sweden, Malmoe more precisely..And Lumiere is right, the average swedish girl isn´t beautiful. A 5, top 6 at best. What you guys see at Stureplan and Östermalm are girls from high society. Crem alá crem. Semi-models, famous bloggers, C-D celebrities etc.

Are you Swedish or do you just live in Sweden? Either way I have to say I don't agree at all with your assessment on Stureplan/Östermalms nightlife population. Your view is the one I hear from the typical out-of-towner looking in at the Stockholm scene. The math just doesn't work out! There are probably 4000-5000 people in all the of the circa two dozen clubs/restaurants in this area on any given Saturday. Maybe 2-3% make up high society, models and celebs (that's still >100 people!), the rest are just hang-arounds, wannabes and regular people. The ones the clubs make their money on.

Quote:Once you hit the streets, and leave the urban area. You will witness pretty fast that Swedish girls aren´t more average than lets say, Cali girls.

From the way you phrase it I don't really understand which way you're going here (what does aren't more average mean?). But comparing Swedish girls to the ones in California??? I just came back from Las Vegas and having dealt with the Cali girls for a week I can think of more and stronger similarities between Swedish girls and Brazilians than Cali...

If the girls in the link are not "quality" talent then I rest my case.
Sweden has hot as hell girls if our resident Swede says those girls aren't that great.

Post: #49

Quote:What does the forum think of these girls?

Seeing girls like that and I have to slap myself for even thinking about moving to Singapore over Sweden. I now rest easier in my decision.

Post: #50

(09-10-2011 10:58 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Personally, I dislike Stockholm. I consider it a cliquish, shallow cesspool made up of a few genuine successful people and their throngs of hang-around wannabes and their inflated opinion of their station.

Yup, like I said. Hypergamous women and men buying into the hypergamy game. Stureplan nightlife is entirely structured around this. Guys posing, splashing lots of cash and not even looking like they are having a good time.

(09-10-2011 10:58 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Lumiere:
Wow, you must have really had some extremely bad experiences considering how low you rate the Swedish girls..

I did not have any bad experiences in Sweden at all. I hooked up with a Swedish chick when I was in Stockholm. Cute as hell (not a blonde) but I met her in Garlic and Shots which is a rock bar in Sodermalm.

Stureplan I took a look at and skipped because it was full of people playing hypergamy game. Got on the guest list for F12 but did not even bother with it because the queue for people on the guest list was half an hour long and I arrived at 12:30 (it closes at 2:00) so it did not make sense.

To be fair, your comments about the city are far more negative than mine.