Post: #26

(09-08-2011 12:35 AM)wolf Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 11:27 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  I don't know why people are hating; this guy sounds like he was your boy in high school (like 5 years ago) and you fell out of touch; when someone is really your friend, they keep in touch with you and vice versa. That makes him a casual acquaintance, and the difference between 'casual acquaintance' and 'friend' is pretty big. A co-worker you that you sometimes work with and chat with but otherwise rarely call or even think about is a casual acquaintance; someone you've partied with every week for ten years is a friend.

I mean you try not to do it, but damn. If a former friend I hadn't seen in years invited me out and he has a hot girlfriend who is loving me but is bored of him, I'm sorry but as soon as he ducks out for a piss or moves to get the next round I escalate like a chairlift, and when he separates later I put something concrete with her on the books, like drinks at my place.

You think guys that fuck the greatest number and highest quality of chicks get gun-shy because some girl who's with a guy they haven't been tight with in 7 years is sweating them? Is the reason we got into game not to fuck more and better chicks?

As others have said, if it wasn't you, it'd be someone else, and being that she was giving you a blower within a few hours of the meet, I would be more than willing to bet that there is already someone else. Your poor, oblivious, video-gaming herb of a former friend...

Pussy is like a house; you think you own it, but you never really do, and if you don't maintain it, then everything is going to go to shit.

You think he would have such an easy time if he chatted her up on the street? I don't think so.

Let's be realistic, the only reason she was all over him is because he's buddies/friends/acquaintance/etc. with her bf. A chick has multitudes of reasons to sleep with her bf's associates.

My friend has slept with almost every gf his friends had during and after their relationship, and almost all of them came to him and practically put pussy on the platter.

Oh, no one is denying the power of the social circle, a power which multiplies by like 50 if you happen to have the best game and looks of the guys on hand. Assuming intermediate-level game, Daytime Street Game might net a 4% bang-rate; the same level in Social Circle Game (parties, barbecues, gatherings etc) it's at least 30%.

Quote:Nobody is arguing the fact that she is a whore, or that if it wasn't him then it would be someone else. My problem is doing it several feet away from a guy who trusted you to be in his place in the first place.

I never said it wasn't a little bit shifty of him; I've been there and you try to avoid it if you can, but that's the problem with men; we may be able to stop chasing sex when it's out of reach, but when it's knocking at our door, it's on. That sounds exactly like what happened to our boy, and I can't hate on him for capitalizing; I would have.

But while were at it, it's totally buddy's fault for not running a proper screen. This was a FaceBook message; if I was a herb looking to fill a video-game queue on a Friday and I know my little hardbody Asian girlfriend is around, I'm not inviting anyone better looking than me, I'm not inviting anyone who makes more money than me, and if I'm inviting someone I haven't seen in years, I'm scouring pictures and wall posts and if buddy has girls always at his side or posting on his wall, then he's not coming either.

As I said; you don't own it, you just think you do.

Post: #27

(09-08-2011 12:52 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 12:35 AM)wolf Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 11:27 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  I don't know why people are hating; this guy sounds like he was your boy in high school (like 5 years ago) and you fell out of touch; when someone is really your friend, they keep in touch with you and vice versa. That makes him a casual acquaintance, and the difference between 'casual acquaintance' and 'friend' is pretty big. A co-worker you that you sometimes work with and chat with but otherwise rarely call or even think about is a casual acquaintance; someone you've partied with every week for ten years is a friend.

I mean you try not to do it, but damn. If a former friend I hadn't seen in years invited me out and he has a hot girlfriend who is loving me but is bored of him, I'm sorry but as soon as he ducks out for a piss or moves to get the next round I escalate like a chairlift, and when he separates later I put something concrete with her on the books, like drinks at my place.

You think guys that fuck the greatest number and highest quality of chicks get gun-shy because some girl who's with a guy they haven't been tight with in 7 years is sweating them? Is the reason we got into game not to fuck more and better chicks?

As others have said, if it wasn't you, it'd be someone else, and being that she was giving you a blower within a few hours of the meet, I would be more than willing to bet that there is already someone else. Your poor, oblivious, video-gaming herb of a former friend...

Pussy is like a house; you think you own it, but you never really do, and if you don't maintain it, then everything is going to go to shit.

You think he would have such an easy time if he chatted her up on the street? I don't think so.

Let's be realistic, the only reason she was all over him is because he's buddies/friends/acquaintance/etc. with her bf. A chick has multitudes of reasons to sleep with her bf's associates.

My friend has slept with almost every gf his friends had during and after their relationship, and almost all of them came to him and practically put pussy on the platter.

Oh, no one is denying the power of the social circle, a power which multiplies by like 50 if you happen to have the best game and looks of the guys on hand. Assuming intermediate-level game, Daytime Street Game might net a 4% bang-rate; the same level in Social Circle Game (parties, barbecues, gatherings etc) it's at least 30%.

Quote:Nobody is arguing the fact that she is a whore, or that if it wasn't him then it would be someone else. My problem is doing it several feet away from a guy who trusted you to be in his place in the first place.

I never said it wasn't a little bit shifty of him; I've been there and you try to avoid it if you can, but that's the problem with men; we may be able to stop chasing sex when it's out of reach, but when it's knocking at our door, it's on. That sounds exactly like what happened to our boy, and I can't hate on him for capitalizing; I would have.

But while were at it, it's totally buddy's fault for not running a proper screen. This was a FaceBook message; if I was a herb looking to fill a video-game queue on a Friday and I know my little hardbody Asian girlfriend is around, I'm not inviting anyone better looking than me, I'm not inviting anyone who makes more money than me, and if I'm inviting someone I haven't seen in years, I'm scouring pictures and wall posts and if buddy has girls always at his side or posting on his wall, then he's not coming either.

As I said; you don't own it, you just think you do.

What you're saying is we have to constantly monitor who she talks to. We can't be by her side all the time. The guy was nice to invite you to hang out with him, at least the proper thing to do is not spit in his face. Doesn't matter if he's a herb, omega, or whatever. I know it's dry, but one lay out of 10 is not going to kill you.

I have another friend that does exactly this and then he acts all surprised when he receives phone calls at 3am from chick's bfs that he's going to get his ass kicked.

Post: #28

(09-08-2011 12:35 AM)wolf Wrote:  I have another friend that does exactly this and then he acts all surprised when he receives phone calls at 3am from chick's bfs that he's going to get his ass kicked.

These are fucking sad; I got one of them earlier in the summer. I get maybe one or two of them a year.

Never mind that any dude who's girl runs around on him probably would get his ass kicked by me and not verse-visa. I don't get them very often because I'm a very conscientious person and make sure to remind my reptiles to delete any call logs or texts from me. I even do it for them if possible; not because I care about some sucker 'kicking my ass', more like because I would probably like to fuck his girl again in the future and her boyfriend finding out about this can make this harder for me.

But what's saddest; it's a total blame-shift.

First, I don't give out my home phone number to girls, and I usually meet them at the bar across the street for a few drinks before bringing them over and I almost always bring them in through the back.

You're gonna kick my ass homeboy? Your girl has no idea where I live. How are you going to find me? What are you gonna do, triangulate the signal on my cell-phone? Please.

Second, I don't open a sequence with 'Do you have a boyfriend'; that's how you kill momentum. You game and you set-up a meet, and if you do this right, the honey doesn't mention her man, if at all, until after she's at least met you for a drink.

Don't underestimate the savvy and perceptiveness of women; if she's out with you, she knows that there is some possibility that something goes down, and if she didn't want it, then she'd have stayed home.

It's not my fault that your girl is playing you. Instead of playing telephone tough guy, how about cutting the problem at the source and dealing with her?


Here's how I break it down percentage wise in terms of who's fault it was;

My fault: 5%

Because if I have her alone at my spot for drinks/out for drinks/kiss before she tells me she's attached, I press anyways.

Her fault: 95%

She knows she has a boyfriend, she knows the risk, and she goes into the situation knowing well something could happen.

Is stealing a girl from some guy a diss? Yeah, but it's the cost of doing business; if you get into game and you fuck a lot of girls, sometimes somewhere out there some dude is getting bird-dogged, it's just the way it goes.

Post: #29

The problem is we live in America, so their 95% fault goes down to almost 0%. They really don't take relationships serious. They don't worry that much whether they will meet another guy or if she is going to get dick again.

They are delusion in their own crazy world. There are women in their 60's who still think they are the shit and nobody can tell them otherwise.

My friend told not long ago, "Don't get mad at the other guy". He is right, it's not like the guys rape them, the girls willfully do it.

Post: #30

(09-07-2011 03:54 AM)Wizard Wrote:  Most of the times I keep my lay reports to myself, but this one was just to great.

I was coming off a two-week straight work week when I got a message from a guy I knew in high school. We were sorta friends, and he invited me over to play some XBOX and relax with a bunch of other people.

I haven't really had any chance for any gaming since I discovered the best GAME of all, and so I decided to take him up on the offer.

Eventually I get over there, and find out that he has his girlfriend living with him. She's a 5'2 tiny little slip of an asian girl with nice legs, and decent if not average rack, but she had a great fucking smile and knew how to dress.

(Remember this is Iowa boys, I'm not exactly working in the land of milk and honey here for high quality pussy but she was a sold 7)

So when we get there, two things become painfully obvious.

1) Guys on who use the computer a lot, and play games need to make sure they have a regular exercise routine they stick to. I've only been working out for a few months regularly, but some of these guys were just fucking embarrassing.

2) This chick didn't like having to play host to a bunch of annoying ass beta geeks.

Any guy with his salt when he first starts learning about the game, really takes the time to start noticing body language, and I still can't believe no one noticed the general pissed off aura this girl I shall now refer to as Julia was giving off.

So we get into the swing of things, and I've been keeping an eye on Julia because she has a nice ass, and I have a thing for small chicks and asian chicks.

The first time she catches me looking at her, she stares me down but I just meet her gaze for a few seconds, and then take a deliberate look from head to toe and nod with a smile, which she returns.

Shit test 1# met and avoided.

The next few hours while everyone else is playing Mario Kart and Mortal Kombat I'm talking with her. There are a few more shit tests, and I get her to comply with getting me a drink and making me a sandwich.

I have to admit, this is the first time ever that I have ever felt so in the zone with a chick. It's also become painfully fucking obvious that chick isn't getting any kind of regular affection or sex. When I started giving her a shoulder massage, she was ridiculously into to it and I don't know the first damned thing about giving a massage.

The kicker happened when the guys ran out of wine, and we both volunteered to head down to the wine cellar and pick out a few bottles.

Once we get down there, I grab her hand and pretend to swing dance her for a few seconds before pulling her in a for kiss, and we spend the next few minutes making out.

She gets on her knee's in her boyfriend's house, and gives me a blowjob.

For a few seconds this about freaked me the hell out, but that girl
could fucking go to town and she swallowed everything afterwards.

Afterwards I tell her she is coming over to my apartment tomorrow, and
I'm going to fuck her properly... and she just nodded. I mean this is
the kind of shit most guys read about in some cheap porno mag.

Suffice it to say, the night ended quickly after that and she came over to my apartment the next day and I had the best sex I've ever had.

Eventually after she left, and I was sitting there still smelling her all over me, I came to a few conclusions.

1) I owe the men of the manosphere, and this forum something fucking amazing. When I started to really learn about the game five months ago, and start rising above my life as a beta, I always had this doubt in the back of my mind if it was really true. I mean even after the first few times of getting laid, I still had a little bit of doubt.

Not anymore.

I don't need scientific studies, philosophical texts, or any other bullshit to prove to me just how effective game is. My genuine old geeky ass doesn't get to plow a chick like that unless some drastic shit has changed, and that change was brought upon by my exposure to the game and gaming community.

2) Tonight when I was in the "zone" it was the greatest fucking feeling ever. I don't know if that something that rarely happens to guys, or if it's just a permanent state of being after you've mastered the game to a certain point, but I felt like I could take on the world.


3) Women are better at deception then men can ever be. After this chick blow me, she was back with a bottle of wine and all smiles for her boyfriend.

4) Even if your gamer like I am, there is no excuse to let your health go to shit. Stop viewing the gym as a lifestyle choice, and more like a necessity of life like breathing and eating.

5) There is nothing better to relief stress then sex, I've been worried about a bunch of business things all week, but afterwards I'm as relaxed as I've ever been.

Anyways once again a serious THANKYOU to the guys of this forum, and a big one to Roosh for creating it.

Clap!/clap!/clap! Solid game,OP. You did what we all want to do-fucked a hottie with a a minimum of fuss within a minutes and followed up next day with real action. Ignore the tedious pseudo-philosophizations and fake moralizing of haters.You've given us enough detail to show there was proper distance between you and her supposed bf.

Post: #31

(09-08-2011 02:16 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Is stealing a girl from some guy a diss? Yeah, but it's the cost of doing business; if you get into game and you fuck a lot of girls, sometimes somewhere out there some dude is getting bird-dogged, it's just the way it goes.

Somewhere out there? The guy invited him to his place to hang out.

This is not fake "moralizing", I honestly wouldn't do it.
If your game is that tight, you have abundance mentality. Meaning you can easily find another chick available, whose boyfriend didn't invite you to his place to hang out.

If you can't stand criticism then don't post on a forum. Send your stories to your friends... if you have any.

Post: #32

(09-08-2011 08:19 AM)Switchez Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 02:16 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Is stealing a girl from some guy a diss? Yeah, but it's the cost of doing business; if you get into game and you fuck a lot of girls, sometimes somewhere out there some dude is getting bird-dogged, it's just the way it goes.

Somewhere out there? The guy invited him to his place to hang out.

This is not fake "moralizing", I honestly wouldn't do it.
If your game is that tight, you have abundance mentality. Meaning you can easily find another chick available, whose boyfriend didn't invite you to his place to hang out.

If you can't stand criticism then don't post on a forum. Send your stories to your friends... if you have any.

So your own ethical code would have made you forgo the girl, and play Mario Kart all night. That is fine, and that is of course your right as your own man to define your own sense of morality.

I saw an opportunity, and choose to seize it. I didn't have enough of a relationship with this guy for me to worry about his situation.

I'm also not sure what you're getting at about the criticism, some guys have responded that they wouldn't have done this, and some have. All I did was explain some reasoning behind what I did, I don't justify my self to anyone but myself.

Also you've clearly never been Iowa if you think hot asian chicks are walking around here in droves, there not.

As always though I appreciate everyone's contribution to this thread.

Post: #33

I probably would have banged her too, but I'm not going to morally defend it. It's like pirating music - cut the bullshit, stop pretending that you're doing something valiant, and acknowledge you're doing something questionable or wrong. You do it because you want to, because it feels good. You did abuse this man's benevolence.

If you try and justify your bad behavior morally, you will rewrite your morals until you believe in nothing, until right and wrong are false abstractions. It's far more honest to say "I did something wrong, and I just don't care." I've gotten past this pose of pretending to be moral and right at all times.

I'd like to think if a buddy fucked my LTR, and thereby proved her to be a hoe, I'd be grateful. Not sure how I'd actually respond though.

Post: #34

(09-08-2011 11:53 AM)basilransom Wrote:  I probably would have banged her too, but I'm not going to morally defend it. It's like pirating music - cut the bullshit, stop pretending that you're doing something valiant, and acknowledge you're doing something questionable or wrong. You do it because you want to, because it feels good. You did abuse this man's benevolence.

If you try and justify your bad behavior morally, you will rewrite your morals until you believe in nothing, until right and wrong are false abstractions. It's far more honest to say "I did something wrong, and I just don't care." I've gotten past this pose of pretending to be moral and right at all times.

I'd like to think if a buddy fucked my LTR, and thereby proved her to be a hoe, I'd be grateful. Not sure how I'd actually respond though.

As I said, I don't believe my behavior was morally unjustified. A casual acquaintance I hadn't seen since high school invited me over to play some games with a bunch of other guys who hadn't seen each other since high school, it turns out I got a blow job from his girlfriend.

This guy wasn't family, he wasn't a friend of mine and as far as I know he wasn't suffering some terminal disease. It just wasn't worth the cost of losing that chance for some guy I hadn't talked to in years.

Now was getting a blowjob in his wine cellar while he was on the premises a little tasteless? Perhaps, but it's not something I'm going to be loosing sleep over.

As always though, I appreciate input from members of this forum.

Post: #35

If I invite you into my home, I trust you not to intentionally shit on the carpet. Are you seriously going to disagree with that? Doesn't matter how well I know you, you could be a Jehovah's witness going door to door. Like I said, this whole pose of "I did nothing wrong" fools only yourself.

I don't put any value on feeling like a good person, so I don't strain myself to see all my actions as moral.

And congrats on the bang, sounds like fun.

Post: #36

(09-08-2011 12:15 PM)basilransom Wrote:  If I invite you into my home, I trust you not to intentionally shit on the carpet. Are you seriously going to disagree with that? Doesn't matter how well I know you, you could be a Jehovah's witness going door to door. Like I said, this whole pose of "I did nothing wrong" fools only yourself.

I don't put any value on feeling like a good person, so I don't strain myself to see all my actions as moral.

And congrats on the bang, sounds like fun.

If you have a hot wife who decides to flirt me up, and you're not a friend of mine or family or someone I respect? Yeah I'd nail her, all I know is that when I'm old and grey I'm not going to look back and say I missed that chance.

Thanks! Honestly the way she attacked me the next day, I have a feeling she hadn't gotten any for a while and I doubt I'm going to be the only guy she decides to start nailing now that she see's how easy it is to pull one over.

Post: #37

(09-08-2011 08:19 AM)Switchez Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 02:16 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Is stealing a girl from some guy a diss? Yeah, but it's the cost of doing business; if you get into game and you fuck a lot of girls, sometimes somewhere out there some dude is getting bird-dogged, it's just the way it goes.

Somewhere out there? The guy invited him to his place to hang out.

This is not fake "moralizing", I honestly wouldn't do it.
If your game is that tight, you have abundance mentality. Meaning you can easily find another chick available, whose boyfriend didn't invite you to his place to hang out.

If you can't stand criticism then don't post on a forum. Send your stories to your friends... if you have any.

Pretty much summed up what I was going to say. I also want to fuck a lot of girls, as the rest of the forum but to do it behind the back of somebody that trusted you in the first place is messed up on so many levels.

I used to have a co-worker who was a player. He saw opportunities to sleep with one of the girls at work. He knew her bf so he didn't do it out of respect. Yes, he slept with chicks that had bf's but he didn't know the guys. But this is too close to home. Somewhere you got to draw the line.

I hope for the sake of the beta herb he somehow finds out, not to inflict damage on Wizard but to get rid of the whore.

Post: #38

(09-08-2011 02:37 PM)wolf Wrote:  Yes, he slept with chicks that had bf's but he didn't know the guys. But this is too close to home. Somewhere you got to draw the line.

Moral Relativism.

That is like a Muslim calling out a Christian for eating pork. The two obviously have different ideas and standards of morality!

You are criticizing Wizard from a point of morality and sense of justice, yet in order to be just, judgment must be equally served to all people. However, certain people (your acquaintances, friends, etc.) get preferential treatment while others do not. That is illogical. You are saying that it is not O.K. to cheat on people with whom you know, but it is O.K. to cheat on strangers.


That is like saying...

It is not O.K. to murder your friends, but it is O.K. to murder strangers simply because you do not know them.

It is not O.K. to steal from your friends, but it is O.K. to steal from strangers simply because you do not know them.

Do you realize just how daft this sounds?


How many lies does it take to become a liar? Just one. How many times do you have to cheat with women to become a cheater? Just one. Stop trying to rationalize this away! Regardless with the type of woman you slept with, a married, engaged, or has a bf, you have still cheated.

Would you...

Sleep with the wife of a doctor that saved your life after a car accident?
Bang a woman whose boyfriend is a firefighter that saved your little cousin from a burning building?
Commit adultery with a woman whose husband is serving overseas in the military?

In all these cases, I don't know these guys very well, but they have earned my respect and gratitude. There is more than just familiarity to stop a man from cheating with someone else's girl. I have respect for men who have made a difference in people's lives and have a purpose in life.




You seem surprised that a girl would cheat on her boyfriend. Why have you never called out guys here on the forum when they slept with engaged, and, even yes, married women while you are coming down on Wizard for sleeping with someone's gf, and, more likely, a FWB?

I am not taking sides and saying that what Wizard did was right or wrong, and I have nothing against you personally; I just have a problem with your illogical argument based on moral relativism. Far better, it would have been, had you said that you were against all types of cheating.

Post: #39

(09-08-2011 08:57 PM)blurb Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 02:37 PM)wolf Wrote:  Yes, he slept with chicks that had bf's but he didn't know the guys. But this is too close to home. Somewhere you got to draw the line.

Moral Relativism.

That is like a Muslim calling out a Christian for eating pork. The two obviously have different ideas and standards of morality!

You are criticizing Wizard from a point of morality and sense of justice, yet in order to be just, judgment must be equally served to all people. However, certain people (your acquaintances, friends, etc.) get preferential treatment while others do not. That is illogical. You are saying that it is not O.K. to cheat on people with whom you know, but it is O.K. to cheat on strangers.


That is like saying...

It is not O.K. to murder your friends, but it is O.K. to murder strangers simply because you do not know them.

It is not O.K. to steal from your friends, but it is O.K. to steal from strangers simply because you do not know them.

Do you realize just how daft this sounds?


How many lies does it take to become a liar? Just one. How many times do you have to cheat with women to become a cheater? Just one. Stop trying to rationalize this away! Regardless with the type of woman you slept with, a married, engaged, or has a bf, you have still cheated.

Would you...

Sleep with the wife of a doctor that saved your life after a car accident?
Bang a woman whose boyfriend is a firefighter that saved your little cousin from a burning building?
Commit adultery with a woman whose husband is serving overseas in the military?

In all these cases, I don't know these guys very well, but they have earned my respect and gratitude. There is more than just familiarity to stop a man from cheating with someone else's girl. I have respect for men who have made a difference in people's lives and have a purpose in life.




You seem surprised that a girl would cheat on her boyfriend. Why have you never called out guys here on the forum when they slept with engaged, and, even yes, married women while you are coming down on Wizard for sleeping with someone's gf, and, more likely, a FWB?

I am not taking sides and saying that what Wizard did was right or wrong, and I have nothing against you personally; I just have a problem with your illogical argument based on moral relativism. Far better, it would have been, had you said that you were against all types of cheating.

It takes two people to cheat. I'm not surprised at all that a girl would cheat on her bf. I don't go around calling people out because they don't go around telling that they got blown by a chick when her bf was several feet away who invited him in the first place. I have nothing against Wizard.

My morals are obviously different, I'm not going to go to such a level to get laid.

Post: #40

I don't think I would ever argue morals about what wizard did, but I would be careful if I were him as a pissed off BF or husband is a dangerous person to deal with. I had an uncle who liked to mess with married women and it only took one pissed off husband to send him to the cementary...to me pussy is not worth this type of risk...

Post: #41

Quote:Tonight when I was in the "zone" it was the greatest fucking feeling ever. I don't know if that something that rarely happens to guys, or if it's just a permanent state of being after you've mastered the game to a certain point, but I felt like I could take on the world.

I had a moment like this during my Barcelona trip last week when I saw two Swedish girls strip and dive into the ocean at 2am. It was more Zen-like clarity for me. I could just see this perfect moment and knew how to approach and how to close.

I didn't feel like I could take on the world, not in the MMA sorta sense anyhow. I felt like I could see every inch of the game about to unfold. I knew exactly what I was going to say when I approached. I knew before I ever approached I was going to close both girls.

I wasn't geeked or jacked up or riding a high. Quite the opposite. I was tranquil. I was cool and in full command of everything. I just knew how to get from point A to point B with the greatest efficiency.

Post: #42

I'm sensing some sorta BETA hate in the air, just this fucked up aura of "shame on you" for fucking a girl who probably hasn't been fucked in months? Wizard, good lay, not jedi, but good.

Seriously, y'all need to watch Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and ask yourself, could you tell a bitch "no" after she wraps her lips around your D***? Be serious with yourself, I am not one to go into someone else's house with the intentions of F-closing someone's female, but she initiated that shit. Sounds to me like you guys are claiming some bullshit conscious that isn't even yours!

Enough with this ranting, the man is clearly happy with his progress.

Post: #43

(09-07-2011 03:54 AM)Wizard Wrote:  Most of the times I keep my lay reports to myself, but this one was just to great.

I was coming off a two-week straight work week when I got a message from a guy I knew in high school. We were sorta friends, and he invited me over to play some XBOX and relax with a bunch of other people.

I haven't really had any chance for any gaming since I discovered the best GAME of all, and so I decided to take him up on the offer.

Eventually I get over there, and find out that he has his girlfriend living with him. She's a 5'2 tiny little slip of an asian girl with nice legs, and decent if not average rack, but she had a great fucking smile and knew how to dress.

(Remember this is Iowa boys, I'm not exactly working in the land of milk and honey here for high quality pussy but she was a sold 7)

So when we get there, two things become painfully obvious.

1) Guys on who use the computer a lot, and play games need to make sure they have a regular exercise routine they stick to. I've only been working out for a few months regularly, but some of these guys were just fucking embarrassing.

2) This chick didn't like having to play host to a bunch of annoying ass beta geeks.

Any guy with his salt when he first starts learning about the game, really takes the time to start noticing body language, and I still can't believe no one noticed the general pissed off aura this girl I shall now refer to as Julia was giving off.

So we get into the swing of things, and I've been keeping an eye on Julia because she has a nice ass, and I have a thing for small chicks and asian chicks.

The first time she catches me looking at her, she stares me down but I just meet her gaze for a few seconds, and then take a deliberate look from head to toe and nod with a smile, which she returns.

Shit test 1# met and avoided.

The next few hours while everyone else is playing Mario Kart and Mortal Kombat I'm talking with her. There are a few more shit tests, and I get her to comply with getting me a drink and making me a sandwich.

I have to admit, this is the first time ever that I have ever felt so in the zone with a chick. It's also become painfully fucking obvious that chick isn't getting any kind of regular affection or sex. When I started giving her a shoulder massage, she was ridiculously into to it and I don't know the first damned thing about giving a massage.

The kicker happened when the guys ran out of wine, and we both volunteered to head down to the wine cellar and pick out a few bottles.

Once we get down there, I grab her hand and pretend to swing dance her for a few seconds before pulling her in a for kiss, and we spend the next few minutes making out.

She gets on her knee's in her boyfriend's house, and gives me a blowjob.

For a few seconds this about freaked me the hell out, but that girl
could fucking go to town and she swallowed everything afterwards.

Afterwards I tell her she is coming over to my apartment tomorrow, and
I'm going to fuck her properly... and she just nodded. I mean this is
the kind of shit most guys read about in some cheap porno mag.

Suffice it to say, the night ended quickly after that and she came over to my apartment the next day and I had the best sex I've ever had.

Eventually after she left, and I was sitting there still smelling her all over me, I came to a few conclusions.

1) I owe the men of the manosphere, and this forum something fucking amazing. When I started to really learn about the game five months ago, and start rising above my life as a beta, I always had this doubt in the back of my mind if it was really true. I mean even after the first few times of getting laid, I still had a little bit of doubt.

Not anymore.

I don't need scientific studies, philosophical texts, or any other bullshit to prove to me just how effective game is. My genuine old geeky ass doesn't get to plow a chick like that unless some drastic shit has changed, and that change was brought upon by my exposure to the game and gaming community.

2) Tonight when I was in the "zone" it was the greatest fucking feeling ever. I don't know if that something that rarely happens to guys, or if it's just a permanent state of being after you've mastered the game to a certain point, but I felt like I could take on the world.


3) Women are better at deception then men can ever be. After this chick blow me, she was back with a bottle of wine and all smiles for her boyfriend.

4) Even if your gamer like I am, there is no excuse to let your health go to shit. Stop viewing the gym as a lifestyle choice, and more like a necessity of life like breathing and eating.

5) There is nothing better to relief stress then sex, I've been worried about a bunch of business things all week, but afterwards I'm as relaxed as I've ever been.

Anyways once again a serious THANKYOU to the guys of this forum, and a big one to Roosh for creating it.

You did well... you determine your own moral code ...not others........ their are 2 distinct school of Pick up artistry...Mainstream "Jedi" moral BS crap...and then my favourite the "Sith" PUA.....if the girl was willing to give u a piece of her..... thats cool... if she is wants to cheat on her man... that aint your probs!!! eNJOY!!!

Post: #44

Wizard, by your own admission you are new to pulling pussy like this so I can see why you'd just see where you could take it given the opportunity. It sounds like you make a good pull too, reading this chick's signals, escalating and so on. Learn from it, move on to bigger, better things. But all the "haters" are spot on - it was a weasely thing to do and if you make that your MO you'll get quickly ostracized by anyone who finds out. So do what you want, but there typically are consequences.

Chicks are the ones easily swayed by their tingle, devoid of honor and character. Dudes who act the same...well in times present/past this doesn't go over well. A true man is above it, a snake is not.

Regardless, good story.

Post: #45

(03-25-2012 03:33 PM)Willy Wrote:  Wizzard, by your own admission you are new to pulling pussy like this so I can see why you'd just see where you could take it given the opportunity. It sounds like you make a good pull too, reading this chick's signals, escalating and so on. Learn from it, move on to bigger, better things. But all the "haters" are spot on - it was a weasely thing to do and if you make that your MO you'll get quickly ostracized by anyone who finds out. So do what you want, but there typically are consequences.

Chicks are the ones easily swayed by their tingle, devoid of honor and character. Dudes who act the same...well in times present/past this doesn't go over well. A true man is above it, a snake is not.

Regardless, good story.

I totally agree with Willy..this is wrong. Wizard you are a guest at your friends house. Act according. Or just flat out admit you are wrong. You must be so desperate for pussy you would stoop to this level. A real player would go over to the mall, nightclub to find action etc.

I have been in this position, so many times, and wish I could do it. Unlike you, I would not stoop to this sleazy level. Because I know I live in abundance and no women is worth compromising my value. Friendship, brotherhood, and respect is more valuable than some cheap bang.

I have friends girlfriend and wives giving me the eye. I would never even indulge the thought, let alone run game on them. This is so fuck up. You have a major integrity issue. I doubt you have any real male friends.

Iowa has some pretty good night life near university of Iowa. I don't know what the fuck your talking about.

Post: #46

Well I don't want to get all on the "hater" theme either. I just know for me this kind of behavior will get you jacked. I'm sure I'm not the only guy like this either. Ultimately you're playing some chick's fked up mental game and lowering yourself to their level. I'm sure she had a mind orgasm knowing she was blowing some random dude while lovey was upstairs, secretly getting back at him for being a putz.

Just understand that a gift Game will offer you is an understanding of women and their "pretty lies" and fked up heads. The more successful you become the less dependent you are on chick's BS. If Wiz had a full rotation already he may just as likely laughed at her advances, told his boy straight up he has a problem on his hands, and watch the slut squirm. After that it's fair game.

I'm not going to get all indignant though, just passing on (unsolicited) advice and another perspective.

Post: #47

Jacked? that was a man whose ideal weekend was playing videogames with 'bros' he hasnt seen in years. Yeah... this guy has a big ass house with a wine cellar, a live-in asian girlfriend, and the best fun he can come up with for fun is call up a bunch of aquaintances from high school and play retro videogames.

The only way that dude could be a threat would be if he hired someone. Which he wont.

Post: #48

The real lesson of this thread is that social circle lays are SO MUCH EASIER than cold approach.

Comfort is already established to a point via "six degrees", the girl doesn't worry about it as much. You can just go right for it and worry less about coming off like a random creeper.

This is one of the only reasons DC is tolerable for me. Cold approach here is lame outside of college girl populations, but I've lived here my whole life and know hundreds and hundreds of people, and they know people, and so it's very easy for me to meet girls that way, and the girls I meet that way are a lot easier to bang. I wouldn't have that in any other city.

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Post: #50

(03-30-2012 01:07 PM)NuMbEr7 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 08:10 AM)Wizard Wrote:  I'm just glad I was lucky enough to find it when I was 23, I only wish I had when I was 16.

Why when you were 16?

The fucked up thing im seeing is that she fucking swallowed and is probably going to kiss her bf later that night. Yea considering what kind of relationship it is we don't know. You said she looked pissed off... most girls in ltr's do at some point, even if the guy is doing everything right and has game. If i found an ex of mine did that shit i would go balistic on her first before doing anything to a so called friend.