Post: #26

(07-10-2017 09:18 AM)Blaster Wrote:  When most people look at a sigma, they don't see an alpha they see a social reject-- or at least, what should be a social reject in their minds. They'll see a pothead with nothing going for him. Or they'll see an artist who can't seem to follow a normal conversation, or a musician who acts like a hipster faggot annoying the shit out of everybody. Yet they'll be men who have figured out women and parlay their disdain for or subversion of social norms into high quality pussy.

Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

Post: #27

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 09:18 AM)Blaster Wrote:  When most people look at a sigma, they don't see an alpha they see a social reject-- or at least, what should be a social reject in their minds. They'll see a pothead with nothing going for him. Or they'll see an artist who can't seem to follow a normal conversation, or a musician who acts like a hipster faggot annoying the shit out of everybody. Yet they'll be men who have figured out women and parlay their disdain for or subversion of social norms into high quality pussy.

Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

Another Sigma portrayed in film could be Heath Ledger in 10 Things I Hate About You.

Actually spent this weekend reading saved PDF's of Vox's archived articles detailing sigmas and literary depictions of Sigmas so this Thread delivered at a time when at my age(30) I am beginning to detail just who I really am and what my strengths & weaknesses are. A bit late many might think but I spent many years just chasing tail and serving no one but myself. Friends wanna hang? Too bad, I got this cute chic I pulled from Barnes&Noble yesterday coming over.
That's how it's played out over the course of my life. My interests, hobbies, and women come before anything else in my life. It's not on purpose but these are just the things I want to do and to hell with showing up making appearances and "spreading influence".

Many guys on here will call it gammas displaying their uniqueness from behind a keyboard. I'm no gamma that's for sure but how else are we supposed to relay our lives, these so called Sigma lives, to the forum, than through a keyboard?!
Even putting down the keystrokes to describe that tidbit of my life was a bit of an annoyance. I liken it to that one Black Phillip Show where Patrice shreds Jeffrey Gurian for having game that catches "bunny rabbits" and that how Jeffs' game is not applicable to most men and that because Jeff is always shrouding his actions and words in a cloud of mystery he cannot help most men in understanding how to get women or to even hand out a decent nugget of info.
That to me is Sigma. The Sigma does what he wants, unrestrained unburdened to perform for none other than himself.

Phlegmatic to the rest of the world but to those within his world and the women he chooses to lay with, well, they get an individual that seems to know a lot about a little and a little about alot. A very interesting character that his friends come to really appreciate and resonate with. For those very few in the inner circle, Mr. Sigma is definitely loyal as he already thinks of them as his equal. They understand deep down what he's about, what he appreciates and also when & where he likes to surface and make the rare appearance.

Other than that leave Mr. Sigma to his books, cars, instruments, nature & or whatever other hobby, including women, and don't expect too much from him. But for the few friends who he "allows" to expect anything from him, well you will have a friend for life. Real ride or die shit.

Beating on the chest and proving your rank in society? Great. Fuck off.
You want to have all the money in the world & flash it? Great. Fuck off.
Any other thing that can be construed as boastful or outward arrogance? Great. Fuck off.
Uninterested with not a care. An arrogance all it's own, but inborn, not earned through stepping on others to get to the top. I fit in where I do and still am able to be at the top of the pecking order. That cold indifference is always perceived as outward confidence that is not faked and truly is inborn and can be greatly amplified by ones life course, perhaps as being a bit of an outsider.

Great thread OP. I don't think Sigma can be dismissed. Of course it will but mostly by others who can't fathom having the cold calculation, IDGAF attitude & resolve to go it alone. So many want to be WITHIN the hierarchy and cast stones at any not in the same rat race THEY subjected themselves to. Sorry bout it but some of us here are truly outsiders, do what we want, when we want, tend to work in environments where that can be continued, and pick up women wherever we may run across them if they catch our eye.

Sometimes I like to think I don't have a certain type of look I appreciate in women the most. What I have is an appreciation for " the look" that a woman will give me, that with enough experience under my belt, to know that it's on. I love my work & my isolation & my very few kickass friends but I still love the thrill of having any random good looking woman who will let me have my way with her. What else is there to want for?!?!

Post: #28

I guess same here more or less. I'd say I'm just a beta with some sigma tendencies(which are more consequences of fate than anything else), but I feel what other say about me might be a more accurate barometer. There's a lot we don't see that others can see about you.


Which just makes me glad my Myer's Brigg's is open and shut at ENTP. I quite like what I rolled and it fits right but that conclusion wasn't reached by my own head.

Not to mention I think one's position changes over time. As I bet many guys were probably lower off on the totem pole when they first started here when this place was all about self help, but then raised their station through hard work. Though of course the guys who haven't changed are pretty obvious not naming an obvious name or two.

Post: #29

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 09:18 AM)Blaster Wrote:  When most people look at a sigma, they don't see an alpha they see a social reject-- or at least, what should be a social reject in their minds. They'll see a pothead with nothing going for him. Or they'll see an artist who can't seem to follow a normal conversation, or a musician who acts like a hipster faggot annoying the shit out of everybody. Yet they'll be men who have figured out women and parlay their disdain for or subversion of social norms into high quality pussy.

Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

When I read through your posts, everything you mention sounds like Steve Bannon.

Post: #30

(07-10-2017 01:14 PM)Mr. Accuride Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 09:18 AM)Blaster Wrote:  When most people look at a sigma, they don't see an alpha they see a social reject-- or at least, what should be a social reject in their minds. They'll see a pothead with nothing going for him. Or they'll see an artist who can't seem to follow a normal conversation, or a musician who acts like a hipster faggot annoying the shit out of everybody. Yet they'll be men who have figured out women and parlay their disdain for or subversion of social norms into high quality pussy.

Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

When I read through your posts, everything you mention sounds like Steve Bannon.

Wouldn't be surprised. Sigmas hate having to do busy work and snap when they do too much. I bet you old Steve is imploding because of his connection to the Trump administration and all the work that entails.

Post: #31

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 09:18 AM)Blaster Wrote:  When most people look at a sigma, they don't see an alpha they see a social reject-- or at least, what should be a social reject in their minds. They'll see a pothead with nothing going for him. Or they'll see an artist who can't seem to follow a normal conversation, or a musician who acts like a hipster faggot annoying the shit out of everybody. Yet they'll be men who have figured out women and parlay their disdain for or subversion of social norms into high quality pussy.

Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

I agree. A sigma can be dominant and appear with alpha traits but still exist entirely outside any normal social hierarchy. Rambo is indeed an excellent example of this. In Rambo's case, the story demonstrates the social hierarchy itself is corrupt. Maybe that's why it's easier to present an appealing sigma in fiction. I actually had in mind the James Franco character (Daniel) from the 90s TV show Freaks and Geeks as a sigma. He was exceptionally charismatic and dominant, but was not conscientious and had problems with abstract thinking, so did not do well in school (or life in general, to a significant degree).

estraudi Wrote:Another Sigma portrayed in film could be Heath Ledger in 10 Things I Hate About You.

I consider that movie is a bit try-hard, though it's super-popular so what do I know. Either way he's definitely a sigma. Sigmas are very popular in high school dramas because the social order tends to be insular and girls love to fantasize about being swept away by a sigma. John Bender, The Breakfast Club. Edward Cullen, Twilight. Johnny Castle, Dirty Dancing. Danny, Grease. Ren, Footloose. Luke Perry, Beverly Hills, 90210. All of these cases involve an anti-social rebel who is highly attractive to women.

Post: #32

Is Spock in Star Trek a Sigma?

Post: #33

(07-10-2017 02:12 PM)rpg Wrote:  Is Spock in Star Trek a Sigma?

Beta in the vein of my earlier post.

Post: #34

From what I understand so far, the most common trait for Sigma is not caring and at the same time having great understanding of social situations. Kind of like Larry from Curb your enthusiasm when he sees a guy that he knows on the street but he completely skips the small talk, not because of being oblivious to social 'rules' but rather, not caring about the rules.

I think that applies in other areas as well. The difference between Mark Zuckeberg and Warren Buffet is that old Warren does not care about Wall Street suits and so he wears jeans everyday, whereas Mark is wearing simple t-shirt and pants because he thinks he has to conform to Silicon Valley dress 'rules' or whatever they have there. Maybe I'm wrong on this one but that is what it looks like to me.

Post: #35

(07-10-2017 03:20 AM)Veloce Wrote:  I'd use Bukowski as the flag-bearer for lone wolves or 'Sigmas'. Look at his body language:









He's a genuine, drunken ape. Everything about him registers as authentically comfortable in his own skin. And here's where everyone fucks it up: he's comfortable in his discomfort. He wears his insecurity and vulnerability and flaws on his sleeve for the world to observe, he simply doesn't give a fuck. His body language proudly declares: "Take me as I am, I don't give two shits".

Now look at two different actors playing Bukowski:





No wonder Buk had disdain for Hollywood. There's no comparison. There's no authenticity whatsoever.

That's why you need to see the Marco Ferreri movie Tales Of Ordinary Madness, with the pitch perfect performance of Ben Gazzara as Bukowski.

Post: #36

estraudi Wrote:Another Sigma portrayed in film could be Heath Ledger in 10 Things I Hate About You.

I consider that movie is a bit try-hard, though it's super-popular so what do I know. Either way he's definitely a sigma. Sigmas are very popular in high school dramas because the social order tends to be insular and girls love to fantasize about being swept away by a sigma. John Bender, The Breakfast Club. Edward Cullen, Twilight. Johnny Castle, Dirty Dancing. Danny, Grease. Ren, Footloose. Luke Perry, Beverly Hills, 90210. All of these cases involve an anti-social rebel who is highly attractive to women.
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That movie was bit try hard and many others like the ones you described are very contrived and try hard. That's a given for Hollywood movies who cannot just depict a strange man moving in& out of society at will, the way a panther comes & goes. In the movies the Sig always has to stand out in some way but I'm sure in the presence of a real Sig they don't stand out very much but yet they are noticed.

Had this happen at my local grocery store maybe 2 weeks ago where me and a few other women were waiting at the deli counter to be served.
I notice this "homely" version of Katerina Pudar playing on her giant phone.
Because of Katerina's rare look and this girls slight resemblance to her the "open" practically sold itself. Before long we are talking and I'm jumping back & forth in subjects to talk about but in a very casual "I've been here many times" kind of way. Notice the rock on the finger? Sure did. Mentioned she's getting fried chicken for the hubby. Doesn't have that glisten in her eye when talking about him. Poor guy. The glisten she has that I've opened her in front of everybody and are sharing a few laughs has created the glisten in her eyes..it's best to assume it's for me. Flirty hairplay here, body repositions closer to me there and I go for the number close after the clerk hands me my wings.
She totally hands me her phone and says don't get the numbers wrong. Told her I will get the name wrong as I'm entering it as Katerina in her phone book for "safety's sake".
We text off & on throughout some days. Nothing major yet as I'm sure she's a bit timid at stepping out of her comfort zone. She will be mine to have fun with but like a cat playing with it's toy, I am definitely enjoying playing the game. It's an art that I exploited just being in line waiting to buy my Tuesday hot wings. That was me surfacing for 25 mins of my day to be in public.
Even to me these scenarios are no grand display of wonder but are just par for the course and it of course would take Hollywood magic to make it "visible" just how some guys can just seem outside the norm but in a very good way.

Post: #37

This bullshit again?

Post: #38

(07-10-2017 03:39 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This bullshit again?

Ssshhh... Not so loud. We are talking about how we are just like Batman, Hank Moody and Don Draper.

Post: #39

(07-10-2017 03:39 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This bullshit again?

I would agree that obsessing over sexual rank identity is a stupid waste of time, but jargon like this can sometimes be useful to convey meaning, so long as it's not too hokey. Discussions like this help participants hash out the semantics of the language.

Post: #40

(07-10-2017 03:39 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This bullshit again?

Oi! This is a circle jerk I can approve of. I wanna show off my 12" Internet dick.

Post: #41

(07-10-2017 03:47 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:39 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This bullshit again?

Ssshhh... Not so loud. We are talking about how we are just like Batman, Hank Moody and Don Draper.

All masculine archetypes. Watching Hank Moody actually helped me a lot when I was learning about women.

Post: #42

Also a thing about a sigma is "peer pressure" doesn't work on us as it does on regular people, not in the same way at least. If everyone else thinks or does something different to me(or does something when I don't, or doesn't do something that I do), then it does give me pause, but only in the sense that I would go ahead and double/triple/quadruplecheck that what I'm doing/not doing is right, because if everyone else does it differently, there's a good chance they know something I don't. If after a bunch of analysis I still feel I'm right, I just do it anyway. I do feel it's different to pretty much everyone else who just goes along with what the going is, even if they feel they're right/other people are wrong. Of course, a good portion of the time(just under 2/3rds of the time I would expect, maybe just over 1/2) I eventually learn that I was wrong anyway, so I change my mind. But it does give me some good sigma vindication when it turns out I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Often it's only proven to me and other people don't know that I'm right, or they just don't care, which means I can't rub it in their faces as much as I would be tempted to, but such is life.

The above is why I believe ideologies with radical differences from the norm(daygame, MGTOW, "redpill", alt-right) were originally made or popularised by Sigmas. Once it's established everyone else who agrees and sees people in the group start to follow, but they wouldn't ever arrive to that conclusion on their own, because even if they have enough original thought to do so(I think non-sigmas think less original thought than sigmas) they would feel a strong "peer pressure" urge NOT to do it.

@Comte's post

I think your post is mostly right, but not completely. For instance, I do think I forgive really easily and am really considerate(or at least I like to think so). I don't like rules in the sense that if it doesn't make sense to me then I just won't do them. However a lot of rules *do* make sense to me so I follow those. So personally I would not ever consider disturbing someone at 4AM(unless ofc it's truly necessary, but who wouldn't).

I do agree that I'm not an outsider because I want to be. It just so happens to be that my instincts push me that way. I don't think I do it because I don't want the haters close though, nor do I think I intentionally sabotage relationships. It's more that I'm bored and can't really connect with other people if they aren't interesting(or at least have sigma traits).

That gets quite bad because I get really lonely at times and do crave social connections. Fortunately I have made some friends online that I talk to regularly that fill the sigma social need that many people in real life don't.

Post: #43

There's going to be a lounge for each horosco..uh I mean identity type at this rate.

Post: #44

(07-10-2017 04:00 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:39 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This bullshit again?

I would agree that obsessing over sexual rank identity is a stupid waste of time, but jargon like this can sometimes be useful to convey meaning, so long as it's not too hokey. Discussions like this help participants hash out the semantics of the language.

It's more like geeks hashing out their respective roles in some kind of dungeons and dragons RPG.

Post: #45

^^^

I was summoned?!

Post: #46

I think a defining element of sigmas is that sigmas have a superior skill set in certain things which give them an advantage. Really great with guns, cars, sports but are unable to translate it into social dominance. Without the superior skill set which is regularly proven, not a has been, the sigma would be closer to an omega. Just my 2 cents.

Post: #47

(07-10-2017 06:47 PM)rpg Wrote:  I think a defining element of sigmas is that sigmas have a superior skill set in certain things which give them an advantage. Really great with guns, cars, sports but are unable to translate it into social dominance. Without the superior skill set which is regularly proven, not a has been, the sigma would be closer to an omega. Just my 2 cents.

Not really........

Again back to the social rejects Blaster listed. None of those people and no shitty underground DJ with a diva complex would have that kind of skill set. Omegas have no charisma. Sigmas do. Not the kind to inspire loyalty but the kind that says the first "Booooooooo" at a bad concert. He's the first person in and the first person out.

Omegas are simply reactive basement dwellers with revenge complexes. If leaving your house was a skill set then maybe you might have had a point but that itself is enough to prove the difference.

Post: #48

Hang on.
Is the angst against the aloof, lonewolf / sigma type, due to the insinuation that to be a sigma is cool.
Yet by the very aloof, lonewolf nature of the sigma, it is impossible for the socialite to "join the group" & thus also be cool?



Can't exactly join a group on one...

Post: #49

(07-10-2017 01:14 PM)Mr. Accuride Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 10:39 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Though good examples they can either be social rejects in the way you say they are but they can also be perceived as alpha and dominant. They're also very likely to be charismatic as well.

It's just that there's an almost off factor about them as they just don't have mass market appeal unless they operate in a fictional universe. The 80s anti-hero action heroes were pretty hardcore sigmas. Sigma describes John Rambo to a T.

When I read through your posts, everything you mention sounds like Steve Bannon.

Remember what I said about the best way to appeal to Trump's Sigma nature is to speak-plainly and honestly to him, and, as such, the Left are Powerless?

Post: #50

Whether actually uttered by Tesla or not, I also recall reading somewhere, that the more intelligent one is. The less regard they have for traditions.

May be why I dismiss non-Biblically derived modern day Western weddings as mere - "princess days".