Post: #26

Have you had ANY results from the online thing?

If you can go back, would you not do it again? Yeah obviously you wasted lots of time to get few bangs out of it. Then what about going out to bars? How much time, energy, health and $$$ did you spend to get the bang? Was it worth it?

I say Do it if it won't affect your state of mind. ('yeah it is what it is. If I get something that's good, if not, no worries' type of mentality)

If you are going to keep getting mad and frustrated then yes you should Stop.

Plus all guys claim they are at least 7 and it's not working out for them so it is for guys who are in 10% (hear this all the time here), I bet my two balls the attractiveness ratio is the same as girls.

Post: #27

I've been with just over 10 girls, only 3 of them didn't involve dating app shenanigans.

My first at 19 when these apps didn't exist.

6 year gap until my next (yes I didn't have anyone for 6 years) who was in Hungary and we got together through an MMO. As lame as it is to date a girl through that context, there was still spontaneity behind it so you could argue it's better than Tinder.

The other I met in the Polish mountains during my first vacation here, now that was probably the best meeting>dating experience I've had and I don't know if I'll ever "top it" or even experience it again. A shame we weren't compatible long term.

I met a few girls through Tinder after that, but it was mostly just to meet other women and not escalate it to anything more. One really liked me so we ended up dating for a while, but broke up because she was too needy and emotional. She wasn't bad looking, and in general the girls were high quality but doing the whole Tinder stuff had nothing on meeting the mountain girl. I'd love to have that again.

Going back on Tinder hasn't crossed my mind since the last r'ship. I've been put off meeting anyone nevermind through an app.

Post: #28

(07-10-2017 01:31 AM)The Sign Painter Wrote:  Online dating is kinda hard to figure out, but... after you've done it becomes kinda effortless. If I can't go out because of bad weather or having too much work to do -- I'll stick with online dating. Yes, it's not as cool as real game, but still I met some cool chicks there whom I wouldn't met anywhere else.

And while all that story that you become a REAL MAN when you go out solo to a night club and take away a chick from 10 dudes and fuck her in the bathroom is entertaining, you should not condition your manhood on chicks.

1. "Staying at home because of the bad weather" is an excuse, it basically says "I prefer staying at home". If you have work to do and you are using dating apps meanwhile, sorry but that's a very bad habit. You're giving importance to something unimportant.

2. Have you seen the real world? I mean, the girls that you see on Tinder are not real. They're pictures and represent just the 1% of the population in your area, so how can you say that you can't meet them anywhere?

3. Manhood is not about talking to a chick in the night club (I hate night-game), it's not about fucking her in the bathroom. Manhood is being able to disconnect from a virtual world and live here, now. Manhood is about to take control of you life and don't let a virtual box take it for you. Manhood is about being able to dedicate time for youself, to dedicate time to speak with REAL people in REAL life, so you could watch their behaviour, feel their presence and enjoy the process of escalating.

Do you enjoy flirting with a chick on tinder? -"Hey, I like your necklace" -"Thanks" -"What do you do tonight?" -"Nothing" -"Want to fuck" -"Yes".
Have you seen any IOI's? Have you seen her blushing? All you can do is imagining her doing it, imagining her laughing at your bad jokes... And don't come with that thing of "I will see her after a couple of messages" because those couple of messages turn into two weeks, then you fuck and she leaves, meanwhile you could get 5 numbers per day, minimum 3 dates a week... but the best of this 3 dates is that you know how they look, you have oppened just the girls that attracted you, you gave your number just to the girls that really impressed you... It's not like tinder where you swipe even the cows.

I'm not against apps, you can use whatsapp or things like that to create comfort with girls that you meet in REAL life.
I'm against this "flirt" apps that put girls as goddesses and men as trash/attention-seekers.

Now it's free to use Tinder but maybe in a year if you want to message a girl you will need to pay for a membership... and do you know what? Most of the men members will do it... I prefer paying 50€ euros in a real date than 10€ for a membership so I could message ego bitches.

This apps will destroy game, I'm not talking about PUA, I'm talking about "normal men" who think that flirting is swiping right.

Post: #29

Haha dude, it's kinda funny how serious you are about this.

I would say to you that there's no such thing as excuse. I don't have to go out to game. I do game because I enjoy gaming.

And I can attest, that chicks on Tinder seem kinda real, as I've met them and fucked them.

Post: #30

I would say, i spend hundreds when not thousand of hours on online dating sites in the past 5-6 years. It helped me a lot getting started with dating and women in general but with a high price. I started to date "low" value women and ended dating HB 7 and sometimes a 8.
If a men tells me he dated a 9 or a 10 from a dating app i do not believe him. The moment you open a dating app, you can minus 1-2 point to your SMV. So to bang with consistency the very hot ones, you have to tell me you are a 10+ in looks and status.

So the positive side for me was, i gained confidence with women dating the average and not so good looking women. Would it be better to went out straight to daygame/nightgame? Of course. But i didnt had the courage and self esteem.

The negativ side is huge. It a fucking time waster. The things you could do instead just because you are horny...its pathetic. After you nuted in this HB 5-6 i felt a lot of time disgusted and was judging myself why i didnt went to the GYM on friday night (which is awesome i love it on friday xD) and went home cooking a fucking nice meal and play videogames with my buddys. I had that conversation a lot with myself.

I stopped online dating like i used to in the past about 1 year ago. I casualy swipe right but i dont care anymore. The girl i date now, i approached her when i went out drinking. Shes a barkeeper and the whole approach to finaly fuck her is 10000 times more sexy then Tinder.
Its so much better and natural. Im now getting more and more into daygame or just have balls without alcohol in the night time. Its very hard here in Switzerland. Even in germany is a piece of cake. I went 2 times out in germany and on both times picked up a women lol. On the good side, no one does daygame. HB10 could walk all day long here and not one men would have the balls to approach her. Most men (including me in the past) wouldnt do it and we were fighting to nutt in the 5-7 from dating sites.

Post: #31

(07-07-2017 08:14 AM)Lordleon Wrote:  To the guys who use them everyday... Do you actually get more results using them than going out and trying to speak a girl face to face? I mean, it's easy to go to Tinder, swipe right and see who's the "lucky" one to swipe you too... Maybe you get a match in 2 seconds and maybe you need to wait 3 months... Isn't it easier to go out this afternoon and approach? Probably you'll get more results than being everyday online waiting for some girl to talk you back... And that doesn't happen.

Weeks ago, I created two fake profiles on Okcupid and Tinder. I didn't write a desctiption, didn't add pictures, just put that I was a girl... Results?
Okcupid: 100 visits, 20 chats and 60 favorites in a day (in a country like Germany where not a lot of people use it)
Tinder: Didn't want to swipe right to guys, so just deleted it but I guess it had the more results.

With this "little" experiment I saw that 1) Germany is one of the hardest/thirstiest countries to online dating. Guys don't approach (in real life), they don't know how to do it and women are not receptive so they go all to dating apps. You can easily see 8/10 guys with a ugly 5/10 feminist. 2) It's normal that "she" doesn't answer back to you, she has a ton of messages, a ton of guys who have better pictures than yours, better descriptions than yours and who oppened better than you...

So why are you losing your precious time there? Yes, I know that it's comfortable to be sitting on the toilet and swiping but that will not make you a better man.That will make you worse, you will be upset with women coz you learned the best tinder oppener ever and texted a lot of hotties, they read it and didn't answer back to you. They didn't give you attention, they are the prize and you're worthless.

Stop that shit man, go out and take the lead...

(this thread is mostly writed for me, coz I suffered that)

I think there are places tougher than Germany.

Post: #32

haha this is so true.

A buddy of mine who does really well on Tinder kept telling me to sign up and so I finally did recently. The first week or so I kept swiping and swiping with no response whatsoever. I thought "oh well, probably just need to be more patient".

Another week passed - no matches, no responses. I must've swiped hundreds of times. Now, I'm not an ugly dude and my pics are on point. Maybe it's the location I'm in, I don't even know anymore. But I do know that the day I uninstalled that stupid app, I went to a coffee shop and met a cute Japanese girl that I'm still gaming.

Fuck Tinder.

Post: #33

double post

Post: #34

There are some places in the world where dating sites and apps are still good. Not as good as they used to be of course, but still good enough that you don't have to leave your house to get dates. Problem is lower quality, but if you come from the USA/UK or Europe (including EE), then the ease of getting girls in Thailand online still makes it a good ROI. You can have hundreds of leads in Thailand but struggle to get even 1 or 2 in USA/Europe.

One thing I also see is a big dependence on dating sites and apps even in foreign countries where you could approach for higher quality in real life. For guys who prefer real life approaching and higher quality, this is not a problem because less competition, but the comparing getting X amount of lays when they were all from online to a guy doing night and/or day cold approach is a bit rich: they are entirely different beasts. How much emotional energy does it take to make 100 street approaches vs 100 online approaches?

The result is a lopsided competence; backend game (date and closing) can be improved via online, but the long-term grind of cold street approaches knocks 99% of men into burnout. This is because it's not fucking natural. RSD spammers exist in many parts of the world but I don't think they are the same guys every year - most guys just burn out and quit or settle for online or settle into a LTR with a 5 while the RSD sales funnel just brings new recruit spammers who get burnt out again, and the cycle repeats.

In selected parts of the world, online can be a way of meeting women while avoiding burnout, at the sacrifice of significant quality, but still better than western women. Not all of us is built like certain members of the forum who have excellent and consistent results in night/day game.

I wonder, how many men would still go to SEA if these sites/apps did not exist? A lot still, but a lot less, because now you are forced to cold approach in real life, which most men even in SEA cannot do.

In the west and a lot of EE, online is a crapshoot compared to SEA and some parts of SA and Africa where there are tons of prospects.

So the answer to original question: depends where you are located. But yes, online wherever you are wastes higher quality (looks and personality wise), which is one of the main reasons why we look abroad apart from easiness. Online even in great locations provides easiness, but questionable quality, compared to the girls walking around on the streets.

I respect that Roosh never really did anything serious with online game. He wanted the quality. Similar to Krauser, who did hundreds (maybe over 1000) approaches before he finally got some success with daygame. To this day both give advice along the lines of "no matter how good you get, it will always be hard work/a grind". That is no exaggeration. I can understand the temptation of using online game as primary source of leads to avoid that hard work. I would use it if it were any good in EE, and I would use it in other parts of the world good for online, but only as a supplement to real life cold approaches. Guys who are dependent on online make all sorts of excuses to avoid real life approaches. But ultimately it's their choice; if they are content with the results, good for them. Personally I cannot find the type of girls I want online in EE, nor at night for the most part, so I am forced to hit the pavements and do it the "hard" way a la Vinny.

If a guy gets all his leads from online and maybe in the past a few from social circle, he will laugh at the results of even the best of day gamers, no matter what methods they use, whether it is Vinny/Roosh/Krauser, but this is because the serial online "gamer" doesn't have a big enough sample size of realistic day game difficulty. Quality may be higher but work is very high as well, even if you're very good at it. Krauser's conversion rates hovering around 1 lay from 30 day time cold approaches may seem small and the guys who use online in SEA and certain parts of SA would laugh at it, but most of these guys would take hundreds of approaches to get the first single lay. Maybe 1 in 200. The learning curve is so steep, the effort so great, that guys just go to SEA/SA, turn on their phones and start clicking away. Soon they have 5 dates lined up. In this context you can see the appeal. Especially if you like slutty types, single mothers who are wild in bed etc.

Post: #35

(07-11-2017 10:03 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  I respect that Roosh never really did anything serious with online game. He wanted the quality. Similar to Krauser, who did hundreds (maybe over 1000) approaches before he finally got some success with daygame. To this day both give advice along the lines of "no matter how good you get, it will always be hard work/a grind". That is no exaggeration. I can understand the temptation of using online game as primary source of leads to avoid that hard work. I would use it if it were any good in EE, and I would use it in other parts of the world good for online, but only as a supplement to real life cold approaches. Guys who are dependent on online make all sorts of excuses to avoid real life approaches. But ultimately it's their choice; if they are content with the results, good for them. Personally I cannot find the type of girls I want online in EE, nor at night for the most part, so I am forced to hit the pavements and do it the "hard" way a la Vinny.

If a guy gets all his leads from online and maybe in the past a few from social circle, he will laugh at the results of even the best of day gamers, no matter what methods they use, whether it is Vinny/Roosh/Krauser, but this is because the serial online "gamer" doesn't have a big enough sample size of realistic day game difficulty. Quality may be higher but work is very high as well, even if you're very good at it. Krauser's conversion rates hovering around 1 lay from 30 day time cold approaches may seem small and the guys who use online in SEA and certain parts of SA would laugh at it, but most of these guys would take hundreds of approaches to get the first single lay. Maybe 1 in 200. The learning curve is so steep, the effort so great, that guys just go to SEA/SA, turn on their phones and start clicking away. Soon they have 5 dates lined up. In this context you can see the appeal. Especially if you like slutty types, single mothers who are wild in bed etc.

I'm 100% with you on this.

But at the risk of pissing off a lot of forum members, I'd like to remind everyone that a significant chunk of RVFers (including some highly repped members) rely on Tinder/OLD for a large percentage of their notches as evidenced by the "I just got laid" thread. Browse that thread for a bit and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

The other thing with online/Tinder is that your sample is biased: these are women who've already expressed interest in you by matching with you, so in a sense you're starting off with a "warm" target. And when you finally get her out to meet you, she's already somewhat invested in the success of the encounter: she's put on her make up, dressed up, made the drive/train ride etc, so obviously she wants the date to lead to something or it will all have been in vain. She's also likely just as keen to impress you, so will probably be less forgiving of less-than-stellar game.

Pure day/night game often (but not always) requires one to go in 100% "cold", i.e., the girl might not even have noticed you're there, or maybe she's surrounded by friends and can't get away or some such, so you have to build comfort and a strong, positive vibe in a far less forgiving setting. You might have to entertain not just her, but 2 or 3 of her cockblocking friends at the same time, any one of whom could sabotage your attempt in seconds. Things that are almost impossible to convey online become paramount to success: body language, tone of voice, wit/humor (you don't have minutes/hours to come up with something funny to say on the spot, after all) and so on.

For this reason, I usually refrain from seeking out advice from guys whose success primarily comes from online, unless I'm looking for tips on how to tailor my profile. Otherwise, I'd rather learn from those I see IRL succeeding in day/night game.

Just my $0.02.

Post: #36

Another thread that's turning into EE/SEA thread.

Why bother to work on your looks, charisma, people skills and personal success when there is a simple solution?
'hey go to EE/SEA, everything will be taken care of no matter who you are'

You should talk about those to people who are already thinking about going there.

What's the point of talking to someone who's in western parts? (developed country, not a third world)

It's like telling someone who's struggling to find a good home in metro area, 'hey go to SEA, you can buy a mansion and have a maid with the same money you will spend on a studio hehehe'

(07-11-2017 10:03 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  There are some places in the world where dating sites and apps are still good. Not as good as they used to be of course, but still good enough that you don't have to leave your house to get dates. Problem is lower quality, but if you come from the USA/UK or Europe (including EE), then the ease of getting girls in Thailand online still makes it a good ROI. You can have hundreds of leads in Thailand but struggle to get even 1 or 2 in USA/Europe.

One thing I also see is a big dependence on dating sites and apps even in foreign countries where you could approach for higher quality in real life. For guys who prefer real life approaching and higher quality, this is not a problem because less competition, but the comparing getting X amount of lays when they were all from online to a guy doing night and/or day cold approach is a bit rich: they are entirely different beasts. How much emotional energy does it take to make 100 street approaches vs 100 online approaches?

The result is a lopsided competence; backend game (date and closing) can be improved via online, but the long-term grind of cold street approaches knocks 99% of men into burnout. This is because it's not fucking natural. RSD spammers exist in many parts of the world but I don't think they are the same guys every year - most guys just burn out and quit or settle for online or settle into a LTR with a 5 while the RSD sales funnel just brings new recruit spammers who get burnt out again, and the cycle repeats.

In selected parts of the world, online can be a way of meeting women while avoiding burnout, at the sacrifice of significant quality, but still better than western women. Not all of us is built like certain members of the forum who have excellent and consistent results in night/day game.

I wonder, how many men would still go to SEA if these sites/apps did not exist? A lot still, but a lot less, because now you are forced to cold approach in real life, which most men even in SEA cannot do.

In the west and a lot of EE, online is a crapshoot compared to SEA and some parts of SA and Africa where there are tons of prospects.

So the answer to original question: depends where you are located. But yes, online wherever you are wastes higher quality (looks and personality wise), which is one of the main reasons why we look abroad apart from easiness. Online even in great locations provides easiness, but questionable quality, compared to the girls walking around on the streets.

I respect that Roosh never really did anything serious with online game. He wanted the quality. Similar to Krauser, who did hundreds (maybe over 1000) approaches before he finally got some success with daygame. To this day both give advice along the lines of "no matter how good you get, it will always be hard work/a grind". That is no exaggeration. I can understand the temptation of using online game as primary source of leads to avoid that hard work. I would use it if it were any good in EE, and I would use it in other parts of the world good for online, but only as a supplement to real life cold approaches. Guys who are dependent on online make all sorts of excuses to avoid real life approaches. But ultimately it's their choice; if they are content with the results, good for them. Personally I cannot find the type of girls I want online in EE, nor at night for the most part, so I am forced to hit the pavements and do it the "hard" way a la Vinny.

If a guy gets all his leads from online and maybe in the past a few from social circle, he will laugh at the results of even the best of day gamers, no matter what methods they use, whether it is Vinny/Roosh/Krauser, but this is because the serial online "gamer" doesn't have a big enough sample size of realistic day game difficulty. Quality may be higher but work is very high as well, even if you're very good at it. Krauser's conversion rates hovering around 1 lay from 30 day time cold approaches may seem small and the guys who use online in SEA and certain parts of SA would laugh at it, but most of these guys would take hundreds of approaches to get the first single lay. Maybe 1 in 200. The learning curve is so steep, the effort so great, that guys just go to SEA/SA, turn on their phones and start clicking away. Soon they have 5 dates lined up. In this context you can see the appeal. Especially if you like slutty types, single mothers who are wild in bed etc.

Post: #37

@jeagle: Damn straight. 3 words I would use to describe day game: stone fucking cold.

I feel like I am creating something out of nothing, and sometimes it feels so unnatural and forced that I get the feeling that I "shouldn't" be doing this. Maybe some guys like to walk up to random girls in public with intent to start some kind of relationship, even with a most innocuous indirect opener, but I see it as hard work. I read parts of Krauser's first day game memoir and I laughed quite a few times, not in a happy way, but a sort of "fuck I know that feeling" or "fuck I've been in that situation". So far, no one, not even Roosh, had described in detail some of the things you go through in day game as a beginner and even when you get competent at it, days when it seems that all that success was just a figment of your imagination, when everything goes wrong. Near misses, annoying flakes, damn logistics, trying to escalate on a girl who is not having any of it, illness, cold weather, depressingly low conversion rates (especially at the start)... the list goes on...

And we wonder why even on this forum most new notches are from online. A lot of guys are still in the west so given the quality online in the west even if you are top 1% on these apps, I'm suspicious of the quality. Guys posting 7/10 when I'd probably say 5 at best. In other places the quality can be higher, but almost as some kind of grand equalizer, the average quality of real life girls also increases greatly so you're still choosing ease over quality. But if you consider how poor quality is in the west, and how much shit a man has to go through to get your average online slut, you can see why your average poosy refugee would be more than happy with far superior easy pickings online when he steps off the plane. He's happy with the major upgrade, even though there are levels he doesn't even know exist yet.

We're still in a stage, though, where online in some places is still a good ROI especially compared to real life cold approach, so you can understand why guys still use it. If I go to Bangkok for a holiday, I don't do P4P but I would go on the dating sites etc. because they still seem productive. In the states they are scraping the bottom of the barrel most of the time and there is no choice but to put the electronic devices down and do it the old fashioned way.

Krauser was a bald, average looking, middle aged, recently divorced, miserable, miserable man. On paper, he was about as close to Russian models as planet Earth is to fucking Andromeda. He had no right to fuck Russian models. Yet thousands of approaches later, thousands of failures and years of practise, he continued to demand hotter tighter until he finally got it. But still guys in SEA and SA tapping their screens are laughing as they do it the "easy" way.

I'm not even sure who is right anymore. It depends on your preferences. But what is true is that guys like Vinny or Krauser who "make it" in day game are outliers, they are not the norm. Introverted guys like Roosh who actually got success in DC and then all around the world despite not looking anything like the typical player archetype that girls go for - they are the outliers. The guys who are pushing top quality and top achievement in any pursuit be it game, sports or chess, are exceptions. I think this is why so many new lays reported on this site are from online. One of my casual friends recently said to me, "I don't know any couples who met through cold approach in the day, but I know loads of couples who met online. I've known maybe a few who met in a bar or club but that's gone down, it's mostly online now or at work."

I don't hate on the guys using online in SEA/SA - I would do the same as a supplement in those locations - but what irritates me is guys who have done zero or like fucking five day game cold approaches laughing at me for having goals of a certain quality of girl, and having much lower conversion rates as a result. They also laugh at Krauser/Roosh's "low" numbers as well, and it's when they're laughing at the numbers of some of the best guys in the world, teachers to thousands of other men, you know they have lost touch with reality. They are probably so spoiled by the quantity online and the ease of getting dates online, that they start to get a bit arrogant. Comparing the numbers and the ease of dates and closing on dates from online vs numbers from cold approach in the day is not possible because they are two completely different things. To me, a guy in SEA boasting about banging another 6 online is pointless, unless maybe he was a severely autistic virgin and really struggled even in SEA. If a man is in Russia and approached the girl in the middle of the street, I like to hear stories like that. I admire the achievement because I know how hard real life cold approach can be.

If you don't use the internet, it's very easy to go to another western country or even eastern european country for a month and come back with nothing to show for it. If you use the internet, you might be able to spam your virtual approaches enough times that you bang a low lying fruit, so at least you got something. Good on you if you want to do that. It's everyone's personal choice.

My choice when I am in EE is no online at all. Whatsapp/Viber etc. for easier contact of real life numbers, sure, but as far as making first contact with girls on dating sites and apps, I burn my bridges. It helps with motivation and focus because you know you must do it old school or you get nothing. And if you happen to get nothing despite your best efforts, there is at least some pride in the fact that you refused to run back to your old comfort zone, that you tried your best for the more elusive high quality, which cannot be found online.

Post: #38

I have 3 questions for you guys..... I'm trying to decide if I want to do online game as a supplement or if I should forget about it altogether.

I'm location independent so you can assume my location will be Asia, Latin America or EE.

I have a lot of experience with dating apps. I used them for only 11 months in 2015 and 2016 but I used them A LOT including learning from expert forum guys. About 1/3 of all the girls I've banged came from online game during that period.

The other 2/3 come from a mixed bag of offline but mostly from night game. However I'm 35, I drink about one drink per month, and I don't enjoy going to bars more than about once a month. I have no long term interest in night game and I don't want to make a habit of staying out late. Some guys can do this and enjoy it far beyond 35 but I'm not one of them.

Obviously day game is something I am starting to learn but it seems to be low volume and very time consuming.

Questions:

1) Somewhere on this forum WIA wrote that online game was the future of game. I can't remember exactly what he said but he was not in the camp of avoiding online game altogether. It's difficult for me to believe that online game is that bad if WIA says something like that. Thoughts?

2) What if I have access to software that streamlines dating apps? Something similar to the guy in this thread with 150 dates in 4 months. I have a friend who wrote the code for something similar but I haven't used it yet.

3) What do you think about Vinny's method of using a combination of day game and instagram for a guy like me? It's not Tinder but it brings an online element to approaching. I'm 35 and don't use social media much. I'm not saying that Instagram doesn't work but I'm questioning whether it is going to work well for someone who fits the profile of a guy like Krauser - older, average looks, not tall, cantankerous and skeptical of game advice from guys who I don't know and are "25 years old, 6-foot-3, and good looking" - Krauser's comments from 7:30 to 8:45 in this video is similar to how I think and where I'm trying to take my game.

Post: #39

I live in an affluent area of California. Even here, much if not most of online dating and apps are filled with fatties and feminists. If you want to find a high-quality woman, you're far better off hanging out in the right social circles than to do online game. Girls that spend a lot of time in online dating are looking mostly for ego boosts. Most men that do online dating, date down.

Post: #40

(07-11-2017 08:26 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  Questions:

1) Somewhere on this forum WIA wrote that online game was the future of game. I can't remember exactly what he said but he was not in the camp of avoiding online game altogether. It's difficult for me to believe that online game is that bad if WIA says something like that. Thoughts?

2) What if I have access to software that streamlines dating apps? Something similar to the guy in this thread with 150 dates in 4 months. I have a friend who wrote the code for something similar but I haven't used it yet.

3) What do you think about Vinny's method of using a combination of day game and instagram for a guy like me? It's not Tinder but it brings an online element to approaching. I'm 35 and don't use social media much. I'm not saying that Instagram doesn't work but I'm questioning whether it is going to work well for someone who fits the profile of a guy like Krauser - older, average looks, not tall, cantankerous and skeptical of game advice from guys who I don't know and are "25 years old, 6-foot-3, and good looking" - Krauser's comments from 7:30 to 8:45 in this video is similar to how I think and where I'm trying to take my game.

a) If you just care about getting notches, then by all means, utilize every available tool in your arsenal. This means that if you're doing well online or on apps like Tinder, use them to the fullest. But don't expect your success on these platforms to automatically make you a day/night game guru.

b) That guy who got 150 dates in 4 months is a really well off SV dude with pretty decent looks. (Not sure why the article started off with "I'm short, fat and bald"). You can certainly try these software tricks, but don't expect his kind of success with quality women if you're anything like this Krauser dude you've described.

c) Not familiar with this so can't comment.

Good luck!

Post: #41

^ Thanks for your responses.

a) I'm not trying to get notches. I've already gone through that phase. I'm outside of the USA where dating apps are different (in my opinion). Apps are the primary options for online dating since these countries didn't use dating websites (match, eharmony, etc.) nearly as much as USA. For this reason, I've found that these apps cast a wider net and there are a higher percentage of non-slutty girls if you know how to target those girls, i.e. you can't go for those girls and go for zero/one date bangs with the same strategy.

I know some people will disagree and that's cool but I think there are many more girls who are a good fit for a mini-relationship or even an LTR on these apps than there are available via night game. Let me be clear though, these girls are still the minority and it can time consuming to filter out the undercover sluts and drama queens.

b) I'm not like the guy from that thread. The point I'm trying to make is that online game is a game of numbers and efficiency - and that software could help a lot with those things.

Post: #42

Yeah dating apps are a joke in the US. Fake profiles, time wasters, mediocre chicks, ugly chicks, fat chicks, trannies, "DC 9's" (AKA 5's and 6's that think they're 10's) and the list goes on. Get out and meet girls in real life boys.

Post: #43

Correct.

The ROI is not only atrocious since the girl you're messaging/swiping is receiving on average 50 messages/swipes a day (that means she's getting hit up by 1,500 guys/month on average!) but it's also a cesspool of trannies, catfish, prostitution whores, bots, and unstable women. Who wants to message hundreds of women just to get 1 date with a woman who looks like an 8 on the pics but is a 4 IRL.

Ditch the online dating and stick to cold approach.

Post: #44

If an above-average looking girl is doing online dating, then there's an extremely high chance she's damaged goods and/or she looks nothing like the girl in her pics.

Post: #45

Online game is notch game. Essentially, it's silly. If you're going to blow time on it at all, make sure you're on a platform that flips the script --- they have to be interested in you for some reason. Mainstream apps don't have this at all, quite the opposite, and that's why they suck big time.

I'm not here to dog online so much as I'm here to tell you guys that real life interaction builds and sets the tone for something far more meaningful than the skeptic laden world of ethereal 1s and 0s. With so many involved with social media and an overall bad culture, it's hard though, I get it.

Post: #46

Don't be like those guys

http://elitedaily.com/social-news/tinder...h/1809384/
https://hellobeautiful.com/2946243/racis...ating-app/

(07-13-2017 01:53 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  If an above-average looking girl is doing online dating, then there's an extremely high chance she's damaged goods and/or she looks nothing like the girl in her pics.

Post: #47

Damaged goods are great in bed though. .. .

Post: #48

(07-13-2017 09:01 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  Don't be like those guys

http://elitedaily.com/social-news/tinder...h/1809384/
https://hellobeautiful.com/2946243/racis...ating-app/

(07-13-2017 01:53 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  If an above-average looking girl is doing online dating, then there's an extremely high chance she's damaged goods and/or she looks nothing like the girl in her pics.

Haha, me calling above-average women who do online dating damaged goods is a bit different from butthurt, ignorant dudes being racist because they can't handle a stranger ignoring them.

Perhaps "damaged goods" was too harsh. But what I was getting at is that a woman who is good looking already has unlimited options in the real world. Her doing online dating reveals really low self-esteem on her end. Or it's just a catfish. The latter is the likely option.

Post: #49

(07-11-2017 08:26 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I have 3 questions for you guys..... I'm trying to decide if I want to do online game as a supplement or if I should forget about it altogether.

I'm location independent so you can assume my location will be Asia, Latin America or EE.

I have a lot of experience with dating apps. I used them for only 11 months in 2015 and 2016 but I used them A LOT including learning from expert forum guys. About 1/3 of all the girls I've banged came from online game during that period.

The other 2/3 come from a mixed bag of offline but mostly from night game. However I'm 35, I drink about one drink per month, and I don't enjoy going to bars more than about once a month. I have no long term interest in night game and I don't want to make a habit of staying out late. Some guys can do this and enjoy it far beyond 35 but I'm not one of them.

Obviously day game is something I am starting to learn but it seems to be low volume and very time consuming.

Questions:

1) Somewhere on this forum WIA wrote that online game was the future of game. I can't remember exactly what he said but he was not in the camp of avoiding online game altogether. It's difficult for me to believe that online game is that bad if WIA says something like that. Thoughts?

2) What if I have access to software that streamlines dating apps? Something similar to the guy in this thread with 150 dates in 4 months. I have a friend who wrote the code for something similar but I haven't used it yet.

3) What do you think about Vinny's method of using a combination of day game and instagram for a guy like me? It's not Tinder but it brings an online element to approaching. I'm 35 and don't use social media much. I'm not saying that Instagram doesn't work but I'm questioning whether it is going to work well for someone who fits the profile of a guy like Krauser - older, average looks, not tall, cantankerous and skeptical of game advice from guys who I don't know and are "25 years old, 6-foot-3, and good looking" - Krauser's comments from 7:30 to 8:45 in this video is similar to how I think and where I'm trying to take my game.

It is natural to focus on quality over quantity, particularly as we get older. As we age, Nightgame will not be viable for most of us.

Excluding social circle, Daygame provides me with the best outlet to quality. I supplement that with online dating and the time I invest is usually dependent on the country I am in. Recently, I was able to meet quality women in their early 20s through online, so on that particular trip I did less Daygame.

Having met you, I think you are well suited for Daygame and I encourage you to give consideration to moving in that direction.

Post: #50

Adapt or die.

Your parents had changing dating dynamics and your grandparents did too. Some of them could not buy a car while the Chads of their age had a old school Camaro. Cheerleader suzie got tingles from hearing that V8 rumble. Some of them couldn't call their dates while other guys could.

This is no different, there's "good looking" tier of tinder, SA, and other "elite" dating apps by invitation only. Complaining about it will not solve anything, changing things so you're "high value" will.