Don't know why that is so shocking. Given the bell curve of the scale of attractiveness, it makes sense that people with 8+ in looks are generally harder to come by than people in the 4-7 range.
On top of that, most women who are that attractive are obviously in extremely high demand so often times won't be single.
Easiest place to find 8's is a college campus or strip club.
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(05-26-2017 02:23 PM)sch Wrote: I'm so interested in how do you guys even distinguish an 8 from a 7 or a 9. This sounds like an utter nonsense to me.
We can all agree that an attractive girls is slim, fit, has a nice hourglass shape, is not too tall but not too short either, looks younger than she really is etc. If the girl is slim because of genetics then in my book she is an 8. The same girl hitting the gym would be a 9.
The face is more subjective but generally a 9 has more proportional features vs a 7.
Of course, this is a best case scenario where the girls look different but are otherwise identical. In my book, a 7 in Poland is far more pleasant to interact with than a 7 in the US, therefore it is not fair to rate them equally.
That difference between a 7 and 8+ is in the face, skin quality, nipple shape, lack of stretch marks, teeth, hair, lack of razor burn or weird discolouration around the vag, ect..
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Go to high end restaurants. High end lounges. Hotel pools. Music festivals. Night clubs. A mess of guys are willing or even desperate to cover the hefty check involved with these scenarios. Most of them chumps but some not. And scrubs that they don't want to be bothered by can't afford to hang out there, so that's where you'll find em.
(05-26-2017 10:49 AM)C-Note Wrote: 8s and 9s often congregate around wealth, power, and status. So, think of events, organizations, and places that are related to that community, and that's where you will find a lot of them. Also, any place women go to help them leverage their looks to promote themselves, like model photographers, upscale beauty salons, fitness clubs, etc.
This. Unfortunately, you can't fake money, power, or status. Game exists to increase a man's real and/or perceived confidence (which basically equates to increasing perceived power and/or status). If you are broke and have no friends or connections, rock solid game will still help you trick girls into short flings, but you will have a very low ceiling in terms of retaining quality women.
Networking and making the "right" friends has gotten me entry to events and situations I literally did not know could exist for a normal man. There are house parties, club VIP sections, restaurants, etc. that literally look like the scene of a music video with nothing but cool, successful guys and gaggles of gorgeous women.
The vast majority of beautiful women don't work normal office jobs, party at normal bars/clubs, shop for Lean Cuisine frozen dinners on sale at your local discount supermarket, or workout at my $19/month gym. Even the stupidest and most economically-challenged stunners know how to leverage their beauty in order to experience the finer things in life on a semi-regular basis. Us men have to pay cash or network our way to these things. That's just the way it is.
If you are not a celebrity or athlete and truly care about having access to the motherlode of beautiful women in your city, take a page of out of Christian McQueen's/G Manifesto's handbook. Take some of that effort you're putting into direct approaching at the mall and invest it into networking your way into a cool (preferably wealthy and well hooked-up) social group or getting your favorite place on Lock Down. It is impossible to do this for free - you will need to pay your way in with either money or by providing some type of value. Probably both. That value may be something as simple as making everyone laugh or being a truly loyal, caring friend, but there is no faking or "lifehacking" it.
I'm not rich, famous, or extraordinarily handsome. But tonight, because I am a trusted, loyal friend of one of these social elites, I'll be laid up in the spacious VIP section of nice Manhattan club to see a huge DJ spin all night. There's going to be 8's everywhere and I won't have to pay for my bottle service. It really fucking helps my cause.
That being said - college is indeed the great equalizer. Everyone eats at the same dining hall, takes the same exams, and goes to the same parties. 19 year old girls are insecure and still haven't fully realized the value of their beauty. Being part of a cool frat and providing free jungle juice is all you need to tap into the highest quality your school has to offer.
I was feeling a lingering need to write a long response here but this post just about says it all so that's that.
One interesting aspect of the PUA/Manosphere/Red Pill community is the consistent downplaying of wealth and status as major factors in generating consistent success in the game as a whole. There is a strong cognitive dissonance here that is understandable to some degree, but harmful on the whole.
Obsidian articulated this very well in one of his recent podcasts:
I see the reality of this first hand every day and can't understand how it is that anyone else with their eyes open can't see the clues as well. Money matters. Status matters. Beauty costs - fine women are usually not cheap relative to their peers. There is only so much you can do to escape those hard realities. "Game" is necessary, but when it comes to generating consistent quality AND quantity in one's results, it simply isn't the end-all/be-all.
So, to answer the OP's question in the title of this thread, there is one simple way to find all of those attractive women (outside of a college campus, and even there what I'm about to say applies to a significant extent): Follow the money. Beautiful women naturally gravitate disproportionately toward the top of the socio-economic pyramid. We all know this. This has always been the case, and it always will be the case.
If you want to maximize your odds of finding these women on a consistent basis and are not in college or otherwise able to place yourself in a campus environment appropriately, then you need to look at the pyramid and find a way to build a closer association with its higher levels.
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That's the whole problem with this rating thing. If she takes off her makeup, sexy clothes, professional photography, she would be a 6. And she either is getting old or she doesn't look as young as she should. She's hot, but artificially hot. But most men buy into it, especially with the sexy shots. She looks like hookers or porn stars who are awkward messed up 6s in real life but after tons of cosmetic enhancement they're suddenly 8s. But it matters less these days because men love the appearance of beauty whether fake or real. This girl has got nearly 1mil followers and clearly would be very difficult to get. She certainly won't be acting like an organic 6 even though she is one.
On the other hand as other posters have mentioned, you can go to a college campus or find out where the nearest 18-20 year olds hang out and some of these girls can be genuinely, organically beautiful, and they don't need all that make up. Yet they are younger and haven't had so many years of being idolized for their beauty and are more down to earth and attainable. I've met college girls who are just more beautiful than most of these IG models or porn stars or whatever, on anyone's scale. Unless you like the fake everything slutty look.
The Corvette-Ferrari comparison is a good one. Even if there are hotter girls by 1/2 a point, I'd pick the 7.5 over the 8 if the 8 is 10x harder to maintain, 10x harder to tolerate and so on. And if you have to get into the most exclusive parties to get to the 8s, well I would just stick to college campuses where girls are friendlier and prettier. I'm not going to be on some promoter or DJ's nuts or befriend horrible women I can barely tolerate talking to even in casual (no game) conversation, just to get access to a bunch of "8s and 9s" who are really just well made up 6s and 7s, plus usually a lot older than genuinely hot college students.
I also think the supply of genuine 7s and 8s in the west is so constricted that whatever option you take it's going to be very hard there. Moscow or Kiev you can just feel the difference as there are actual numbers you can work with.
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The truth of the matter is that, theoretically there could be more quantity of 8s than ever before. It's simply NEVER BEEN EASIER for an average female to be an 8 than ever before in human history. Generally speaking, for a middle-class female in 2017:
- Affluence and GDP per capita is higher than ever before
Access to quality make-up and fashion items to accentuate femininity, for example they can purchase a slim-silhouette style corset or bra in just minutes at the local mall or on ebay.
- Medical science is more advanced and accessible than ever before
Procedures that were impossible or expensive in the past are now simple and affordable for example affording medicine for a condition.
- Information and/or exchange of ideas (because of the internet) is more accessible than ever before.
For example, a girl in Lebanon can learn the best/easiest/safest way how to remove her moustache by watching a 3 minute youtube clip or reading a beauty forum.
- Cosmetic procedures are cheaper and more accessible for middle-class consumers than ever before.
For example, dental teeth whitening or removing a hairy mole by the dermatologist is super affordable.
So why are 8s not so plentiful and abundant?
The answer is because pragmatically-speaking certain environmental factors are forcefully working against female beauty. One main reason for our toxic environment is 3rd-wave marxist feminism which seeks to destroy femininity, motherhood and actually western civilisation itself. But I won't get into that because it's written about so much on this forum.
However, there is one very obvious "elephant in the room" (pardon the pun) which is not focused on enough on this forum and it's the biggest factor that is destroying all the 8s - THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC. The 8s are now 4s, 5s, 6s and 7s. The average American woman weighs 166.2 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that as much as the average American man weighed in the early 1960s. Yes men are getting fatter too, nevertheless I'd imagine most RVF members are the opposite of this male trend.
The fact of the matter is that technically there could be heaps and heaps of 8s but women are destroying their beauty in adipose tissue and visceral lipids. Western women in particular are fatter than ever before, and the bad news is they're getting fatter with every passing day.
(05-26-2017 12:23 AM)Jagnum Wrote: If I’m in a given place and there are roughly a thousand girls, 1000 will be 6s, 100 will be 7s, 10 will be 8s, and 1 will be and 9. It’s exponential.
Exponential yes, but let's fix your math a bit.
Out of a thousand girls, at least 50% will be a 5 or below. That leaves the remaining 500 that could be 6s or above -- which is actually very generous for the U.S. It's realistic in places like SEA.
400 out of those 500 will be 6s. Out of the remaining 100, maybe 80 will be 7s, 19 are 8s, and one 9.
In the West, the bell curve will be squeezed further to the left.
Actually the attractiveness matrix to women is not running along the standard deviation graph.
Why?
Because I make the argument that most women when young (16-22) and slim or in shape (some need workout, but if BMI is goo) and having grown out hair, putting on some makeup for the ugliest ones - that most of young slim long-haired women are at least 6s - at least in Western countries. Of course you have other tribes which are less aesthetically pleasing (or they are not up to your type).
But seriously - most young women when slim and young and some makeup can be 6s. The sexual market however is fucked up because even some weight pushes a close 6 to a 5, cutting hair short lowers her look again. I know a mid 6 who decided once to cut her hair short. That 20yo girl instantly dropped 1-2 points and becamse a 4-5, despite having big pretty eyes and a slim body. She later regrew her hair and luckily stepped off the carousel and got into a LTR with a cringe-worthy, but very lovable Beta all by age 23. But of course that is Eastern Europe - in the West she would be riding hard the carousel until there is no tomorrow.
(05-27-2017 12:50 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote: "I Tom Vu. You too can have fine bitches on you boat if you take my course. I Tom Vu. You no have shit. Dont listen to you friends. They loser.Buy my course or you deserve to be broke Dont give up"
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(05-26-2017 02:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote: If you are not a celebrity or athlete and truly care about having access to the motherlode of beautiful women in your city, take a page of out of Christian McQueen's/G Manifesto's Distant Light's handbook. Take some of that effort you're putting into direct approaching at the mall and invest it into networking your way into a cool (preferably wealthy and well hooked-up) social group or getting your favorite place on Lock Down. It is impossible to do this for free - you will need to pay your way in with either money or by providing some type of value. Probably both. That value may be something as simple as making everyone laugh or being a truly loyal, caring friend, but there is no faking or "lifehacking" it.
I'm not rich, famous, or extraordinarily handsome. But tonight, because I am a trusted, loyal friend of one of these social elites, I'll be laid up in the spacious VIP section of nice Manhattan club to see a huge DJ spin all night. There's going to be 8's everywhere and I won't have to pay for my bottle service. It really fucking helps my cause.
(05-27-2017 12:50 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote: "I Tom Vu. You too can have fine bitches on you boat if you take my course. I Tom Vu. You no have shit. Dont listen to you friends. They loser.Buy my course or you deserve to be broke Dont give up"
Paraphrasing the original infomercial yacht master pimp Tommy V
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I have a question for folks who have been members of this forum for quite awhile, concerning G Manifesto and Christian McQueen. This quote, from this thread, picked my curiosity:
Quote:If you are not a celebrity or athlete and truly care about having access to the motherlode of beautiful women in your city, take a page of out of Christian McQueen's/G Manifesto's Distant Light's handbook.
Are those guys for real? Some stories that they tell are way too ridiculous to believe. I am asking because there are many guys who pretend that they are millionaires and pussy slayers on the internet (and 99% of them are the exact opposite in real life) nowadays.
Thanks!
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(05-26-2017 09:41 PM)Excelsior Wrote: If you want to maximize your odds of finding these women on a consistent basis and are not in college or otherwise able to place yourself in a campus environment appropriately, then you need to look at the pyramid and find a way to build a closer association with its higher levels.
It's right on. Game does matter, but without access, you can't use Game. We've talked about this a lot, and Excelsior is correct, much to the chagrin of the general ethos on this board. Game is critical but at best it gives you a short term track ... women ghost. The characteristics described above make them stick, bad or good, sad, whatever - that's how it is.
(05-26-2017 09:41 PM)Excelsior Wrote: One interesting aspect of the PUA/Manosphere/Red Pill community is the consistent downplaying of wealth and status as major factors in generating consistent success in the game as a whole. There is a strong cognitive dissonance here that is understandable to some degree, but harmful on the whole.
Exactly. I managed to master my game, but I could not keep women for more than one month since they discovered I am a loner without friends. But at least I get laid!
(This post was last modified: 05-27-2017 09:18 PM by McCarthy.)
I thought I’d get a small handful of replies. Instead, you guys on this forum came out in droves and brought insights from all different angles. Beers are on me, if I meet any of you. I’ll be in NYC this November, and maybe Salt Lake City in August.
Here are a few notes I made:
- Check out Christian McQueen/G-Manifesto handbook. Also Distant Light.
- These types of women might be shopping at high-end stores in the afternoon
How might you talk to them differently?
- Places like Santa Barbara, Boulder, Urbana-Champaign
Does one need to attend school in places with a university to get into these circles?
Not about to join a spin class just to meet women, so the question is how can this be leveraged practically?
Yes college campuses have the occasional 8s and more of the 6s and 7s than the surroundings, although perhaps I’m giving the girls an extra point for being young. They’re also flaky, but that shouldn’t be news to anyone.
Recently, got a bunch of numbers approaching at a college, there was at least one 7.5 I got a number from and one 8 I talked to. I think I’ve met up with just two of 13 or so numbers…both 6s.
And of course Eddie Winslow’s advice, it’s really about getting into a wealthy, well-hooked up social circle. There’s no “Day Bang” guide to that, at least none that I’m aware of.
Distant Light has some posts, but I don’t think anyone’s written a book about this.
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Is it just me or are there tons of fresh, glowing 18 year olds at college or beauty school or who just hang out and aren't yet aware of their value, who are a hell of a lot more attractive than 27 year old "models" with boob jobs, lip fillers and tons of makeup...
I can understand why you would prefer the latter, because they are "8s" and "9s" by not just their looks but by the high status image projected by their looks; they are the types to only mix with high status circles and chase high status/semi-famous/famous men.
But then just walking round the city I can see an absolutely bone fide gorgeous 18 year old walking hand in hand with a clueless scrub who clearly met her in school or just through mutual friends, family etc.
So in the original question "The 8s" has clearly been interpreted by different men in different ways. Deciding which "type" of 8 you want will determine what strategy you would like to use.
Some of the best quality girls I've ever approached have been in the day time and they were just normal girls in hairdressing school or whatever. As long as you can take them out occasionally, they are happy and will love you. (Until maybe they realize how in demand they actually are, but you can still get a good year or two or three out of them.)
In general though whatever type of 8 you're talking about, the percentage has nosedived because of all the reasons mentioned in this thread, thus all other things being equal it's harder whatever types of 8 you want.
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That's the whole problem with this rating thing. If she takes off her makeup, sexy clothes, professional photography, she would be a 6. And she either is getting old or she doesn't look as young as she should. She's hot, but artificially hot. But most men buy into it, especially with the sexy shots. She looks like hookers or porn stars who are awkward messed up 6s in real life but after tons of cosmetic enhancement they're suddenly 8s. But it matters less these days because men love the appearance of beauty whether fake or real.
I believe that is women's 'game'. They have to artificially make themselves as hot as possible so we don't ignore them. It's a way for some of them to leverage for their lack of great features. Is it bad for a dude to artificially work on alpha male traits and masculinity to get some action?, why would it be bad for a girl to be as sexy as she can to get some male attention? I'd rather bang a sexy 6 who puts some effort to her looks than a tasteless and cold seven. Cheers.
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(05-27-2017 10:00 PM)Jagnum Wrote: Distant Light has some posts, but I don’t think anyone’s written a book about this.
Some guy that was an English black guy moved to L.A. and did the Distant Light thing. Wrote a book named the Social Circle Blueprint or something close to that.
This guy's game was the same as Distant Light's. Be a light hearted fun guy loving life and hang out where high status people hang out.
This guy hung out at L.A. trendy hotel lobby bars.
When I say hang out that means 5-7 nights a week you are out on the scene. There is definitely a time investment and you have to love being in and around the scene. The only way to just check in and out when you want is as always $ or fame.
Where do you hangout? Are you one of those 'masculine' guys who hangs out at sports bar watching games with dudes and avoid 'girly' places (wine bar, yoga, dance studio, art museum and other eclectic places that draws women) because that's so gay? If yes, No wonder why you don't see pretty girls.
I remember this guy. Every time I suggest to do something (like going to the park), he always came back with 'that's gay'.
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