Post: #26

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

People don't like trolls.

Having a military is in general a good thing to have. It is an organization where all the people who can fly jets, drive tanks, and sail ships are trained and used. It can also be a very cool job. The military is not immune to anything including buying into the pills.

This conversation might seem a bit strange since military members come from a different political, social, and policy structures. The game is different. It is exactly this: a microculture attached to the grater US culture.

Post: #27

(05-18-2017 01:19 AM)Sherman Wrote:  I'm interested in finding out if there is any evidence of change since Trump came to office. Or are the changes that Obama made to the military now permanent?

It is not soon enough. It would likely take half of his term and include outright firing officers by Gen. Mattis in order to reverse any of the damage. Gen. Marshall took about a year and had to fire over 1000 officers in order to get a peace-time army into a war-time army and that was when we did not have the problems and activism that we have now.

Post: #28

(05-18-2017 01:12 AM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  So if I was high-post count, old account, I should only discuss something boring?

No matter how high your post count gets, if you disagree with certain people here, they're going to always call you names. That's their way of proving to you that they're better than you. Sort of like middle school.

And to answer your question about slave compliance, yes, the military can be a form of slavery. If you joined freely, then you asked for it. You will get no sympathy except from your momma.

But let's talk about the draft. That's pure slavery/involuntary servitude. The government is requiring your labor. That's illegal. At least in the USA.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." -13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

If the government hands you a rifle and demands that you work for them or else you go to jail, then that's slavery.

Post: #29

(05-18-2017 01:08 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

Coordinated attack from a troll sleeper cell?

This forum needs a Jack Bauer.

Why do you think he's trolling? Do your experiences within the military invalidate the OP's claims?

Also I'm not seeing why this is "so inflammatory", I can see why people would disagree with a number of things (the tattoo comment is a little over the top), but discouraging people from criticizing the military (when it's warranted) sets a dangerous precedent.

Post: #30

(05-19-2017 07:23 AM)FireStarter Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:08 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

Coordinated attack from a troll sleeper cell?

This forum needs a Jack Bauer.

Why do you think he's trolling? Do your experiences within the military invalidate the OP's claims?

Also I'm not seeing why this is "so inflammatory", I can see why people would disagree with a number of things (the tattoo comment is a little over the top), but discouraging people from criticizing the military (when it's warranted) sets a dangerous precedent.

It's not inflammatory, it's just wrong.

- "It is impossible to be red pill in the US military. That's more than a fact, that's just reality."

- "The gays are elevated to hero status"

- "The last time the US armed forces actually did something in action to honor their homeland and country was pre civil-war."

- "is good for 18 year old kids with no direction and nothing better to do in their lives and that's it"

All utterly ridiculous statements. Then comes the far left talking points.

- "Their bloodlust and desire to kill leaves them without a care who they bomb or shoot as long as the adrenaline keeps coming. "

- "When the collapse does happen, don't expect the US military to be able to do anything but look after their own and their cushy zionist leaders. "

Those are just from the first post.

And it's not slave labor. It is voluntary service. You can at any point sit on the floor and say "no". They will yell, and threaten you, and call you names, but you can still sit there and say "nope, I am not doing that". They will eventually process the paperwork and kick you out. Most of the times with an "other than honorable" discharge with isn't even bad. Not to mention I haven't had a single person ask for my discharge paperwork, ever.

The points on globalism using the military for it's goal can be argued coherently, the rest is just wrong. No one is saying don't criticize the military, but bullshit needs to be called out when it is seen.

Post: #31

(05-19-2017 07:23 AM)FireStarter Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:08 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

Coordinated attack from a troll sleeper cell?

This forum needs a Jack Bauer.

Why do you think he's trolling? Do your experiences within the military invalidate the OP's claims?

Also I'm not seeing why this is "so inflammatory", I can see why people would disagree with a number of things (the tattoo comment is a little over the top), but discouraging people from criticizing the military (when it's warranted) sets a dangerous precedent.

I was jokingly responding to the observation that several low post members have posted in this thread.

Talking about the military is inflammatory because of the predicable way people react to the topic. And when new members of a forum only post in inflammatory threads, they raise eyebrows. That's probably why there's a minimum post count here to participate in the politics threads.

Post: #32

If you criticize fags right now in the military where someone can hear it and report it, you will get out probably with very least an administrative discharge if not then an other than honorable conditions discharge. No lie on that. They tolerate sodomy openly.

Post: #33

(05-19-2017 11:16 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 07:23 AM)FireStarter Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 01:08 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

Coordinated attack from a troll sleeper cell?

This forum needs a Jack Bauer.

Why do you think he's trolling? Do your experiences within the military invalidate the OP's claims?

Also I'm not seeing why this is "so inflammatory", I can see why people would disagree with a number of things (the tattoo comment is a little over the top), but discouraging people from criticizing the military (when it's warranted) sets a dangerous precedent.

I was jokingly responding to the observation that several low post members have posted in this thread.

Talking about the military is inflammatory because of the predicable way people react to the topic. And when new members of a forum only post in inflammatory threads, they raise eyebrows. That's probably why there's a minimum post count here to participate in the politics threads.

His other thread is on homeopathy.

Post: #34

Oh boy, well I guess that just singles me out as some kind of hoodoo crackpot then.

Post: #35

(05-19-2017 10:46 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  If you criticize fags right now in the military where someone can hear it and report it, you will get out probably with very least an administrative discharge if not then an other than honorable conditions discharge. No lie on that. They tolerate sodomy openly.

False.

Criticize gays openly around someone who is sensitive and you will probably get a talking to you from your immediate supervisor. Alternatively, the offended person complains to SHARP and you get a talking to from the SHARP NCO, and your unit will probably be forced to sit through a SHARP briefing.

Only if it is an ongoing issue where you are constantly criticizing gays day in and day out will it even come close to being worthy of discharge. And at that point it's more about your inability to follow orders than it is about your views on homosexuality.

Youre either extremely over exaggerating, or you have never been in the military.

Post: #36

I saw it happen to someone, the gay was a closet homo in a squadron commander position, and he pulled some strings to have the dissenter booted. We knew of nothing else going on at the moment in the guys life that would have made him be kicked out. So without any evidence to the contrary, this can happen, albeit probably not right away.

Try doing the same with women in the military, you'd get slapped with a personality disorder and booted out with in a week because you just wouldn't get with the program that the military promotes women = men (well actually more like women > men).

I'm not trolling man, I think with a few corrections to regulations, the military could be the greatest tribal group ever. But that will never happen because "muh PC"