Post: #201

(12-16-2018 01:06 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:16 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

This post made me laugh more than any other on the forum. I can't quite grasp why, maybe because it's so true. The bit about the plane literally had me laughing out loud.

Vikings are still around, bud. They're called scandinavians.

Those countries top the human development index every year, and every muslim salivates at the opportunity to immigrate there and get a welfare check.

Even 10th century Arabs had a viking fetish apparently, with the historian Ahmad ibn Fadlan describing the Rus as follows:

Quote:I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy;

Tldr: Vikings were objectively cooler, better looking, and their progeny created countries the world envies whilst modern day Arabs trot around in camel dung.

Post: #202

(05-06-2017 04:12 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  MOAR VIKANGS!

Post: #203

(05-06-2017 04:12 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  MOAR VIKANGS!

A bit obvious, but:

Post: #204

(12-17-2018 08:53 AM)Jozi Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 04:12 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  MOAR VIKANGS!

Christianity did kill heroism to a large extent. The European pagan drive was to join the ranks of the gods by bravery in battle. They were fearless because there was only glory to be had.

In contrast, Christians fasted, flaggelated themselves and encouraged children to go on crusades where they were promptly sold into slavery to Muslim swine.

Post: #205

I disagree. Heroism may have been less celebrated than in pagan cultures but medieval Europe definitely valued heroism to a great extent. Look at how celebrated St. George, Roland, King Arthur, Beowulf (it's actually a Christian poem), Richard I the Lionheart, Chevalier Bayard, and the Knights of Malta (Siege of Malta) were.

Christianity's cuckoldry is a recent phenomenon.

Post: #206

(12-17-2018 02:13 PM)Labienus Wrote:  I disagree. Heroism may have been less celebrated than in pagan cultures but medieval Europe definitely valued heroism to a great extent. Look at how celebrated St. George, Roland, King Arthur, Beowulf (it's actually a Christian poem), Richard I the Lionheart, Chevalier Bayard, and the Knights of Malta (Siege of Malta) were.

Christianity's cuckoldry is a recent phenomenon.

Christian cuckoldry is as old as the pigeon cucking st. Joseph

Medieval heroism took place because the old pagan habits died hard and people still requested heroism and Christianity had to go to compromises.

Catholicism is a syntax of Judaism in Paganism in so many ways because many compromises were needed for pagan Europeans to accept the foreign faith. Paganism existed as underground faith of native people trough the whole middle ages, while Christianity was mostly practiced and forced from the royal elite that were globalists of that time. Kings and queens intermarried and it was not uncommon for a genetically foreign king or queen to rule a genetically foreign nation at that time on grounds of inheritance of throne trough marriage and unifying Christian faith. That's globalism.

Please also note that it was in medieval Christian times when heroism got subverted into chivalry which begot female entitlement and feminism.

Post: #207

Probably because Vikings (or Celts) were the most recent non-Christian European civilization of any major global importance that most people know about. The Viking/Celtic civilizations are also novel in the sense that they would be totally foreign and different from anything that modern Westerners are currently usd to. Rome does not have the same foreign feel to it as it, especially in its latter years, in many of not most ways resembles the modern west.

Another factor is that about half of the world’s white nationalist/neo-Nazis probably live in Russia and Eastern Europe and they tend to be very into Slavic neopaganism (Rodnovery) which is basically a version of all the Viking stuff as Vikings were the original settlers and creators of what would later become Slavic civilization (Kievan Rus and so on).

I think another factor is the fact that the Vikings, like many other ancient civilizations, where unapologetically masculine and tribal, something which again makes them very novel to modern Westerners who on some level often yearn for a return to a more tribal state of being in which they know the people around them, they have a clear role in society and their family, they have a clear and respected status, and they can feel confident that their culture and nation are robust enough to make having and raising children an affair filled with hope and high expectations for the future as opposed to one filled with doubt as to whether they will even be allowed to be a real role model to anyone, anxiety around the fact that the person most likely to ruin your life is the one sleeping next to you, and dread at the thought that, most likely, your children will be entering a world that not only can you not prepare them for but that they will most likely not even have a place in let alone be able to enjoy all the respect, status, prosperity, close bonds, etc. that you did.

I think that another reason the Vikings tend to be more popular than Rome among white nationalists is probably the fact that they feel closer to nature in the sense that, when most people think of Rome, they likely think of a huge cosmopolitan metropolis sort of like an ancient version of a modern concrete jungle where nobody knows anyone and it’s all just politics and bureaucracy while everyone waits for some foreign barbarian horde like the Huns or Goths to barge in and put them out of their misery by doing what they were too apathetic and timid to do by putting a torch to all of it and resetting the clock. By contrast, when most people think of the Vikings, the probably don’t think of massive cities, complex government administration, armies of slaves working on tax-funded public works projects, or bloated government agencies that no one can remember the purpose for but rather of small bands of closely bonded people who all respect and know each other well setting sail on ships that they own to conquer new lands or living at home amongst the beautiful mountains and fjords in a completely environmentally friendly and physically active way while getting all the hot Nordic ass they can handle and having those women compliment them in how manly they are as she cooks for them afterwards.

So I think it’s a difference in the mental image most people have of different civilizations as well as the fact that most people do not know anything about other ancient European civilizations like the Goths, Huns, Sami, Gaals, Basques, etc. who were, to be fair, probably less globally important than the Vikings and whose actions were much more confined to the borders of their own native territories (whereas Viking artifacts and coins have been found as far from Scandinavia as Turkey and Canada) and even Arab explorers were known to have visited them and recorded things about them.

Post: #208

(12-16-2018 08:35 PM)Mage Wrote:  No, it would not be so because Muslims are suicide bombers. There is nothing cool about delusional killing of innocent women and children while also committing suicide.

Vikings did their naughty things for fun and amusement of themselves and that is cool even if morally wrong.

Muslims hate fun and do their evil deeds while also being dead serious and taking out all the fun from that.

Vikings knew how to party after each battle with songs and ale and singing poetry and telling legends about the deeds of their fights and adventures.

Muslims have alcohol and music prohibited and hate fun, they would not tell any cool stories because all the glory goes to Allah and Muhammad.

When a Viking goes pillaging and murdering he is being an alpha male, culling the weak.

When a Muslim does the same he is a brainwashed beta, who serves his imams and the only alpha is Muhammad.

Vikings could do philosophy and even have a friendly laughter about their Gods.

Muslims are scary serious and bow before asses of other men and walk on eggshells to not tell any joke that could offend Muhammad and the desert god.

Vikings had heroes.

Muslims only have martyrs.

When a viking is left alone he fights bravely.

Muslims are only brave in big groups and mobs, when alone they lie and use taqiya.

Vikings sailed to motherfucking America, discovered and colonized Iceland and Greenland.

Muslims sat on the silk road and sailed nowhere, letting Europeans take the initiative in shipbuilding and circumventing their territories and discovering the world.

Vikings had game because they had normal relations between men and women. Both masculinity and femininity were valued. There was true love possible.

Muslims have no real game, they keep their women oppressed, locked in black robes and beat them up, there is no romance and love. They can only force women to like them.

Also Muslims look generic and have no blonde or red hair and blue eyes.

Vikings are cooler then Muslims too many ways.

Post: #209

Jesus Christ is himself a heroic figure. He died to redeem humanity and show us the way.

Yeah Joseph was a cuck but the central figure definitely was not and was heroic.

Post: #210

(12-17-2018 01:38 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 01:06 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:16 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

This post made me laugh more than any other on the forum. I can't quite grasp why, maybe because it's so true. The bit about the plane literally had me laughing out loud.

Vikings are still around, bud. They're called scandinavians.

Those countries top the human development index every year, and every muslim salivates at the opportunity to immigrate there and get a welfare check.

My second point from OP:

These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

Post: #211

(12-17-2018 02:57 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 01:38 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 01:06 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:16 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

This post made me laugh more than any other on the forum. I can't quite grasp why, maybe because it's so true. The bit about the plane literally had me laughing out loud.

Vikings are still around, bud. They're called scandinavians.

Those countries top the human development index every year, and every muslim salivates at the opportunity to immigrate there and get a welfare check.

My second point from OP:

These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

Well in their defense I doubt it's the majority of the native populations that welcomed those sweeping ideologies / changes to their societies. More than likely the culprit had to be the New World Order style government agencies pulling the puppet strings on those previously thriving nations.

Post: #212

Waqqle - you are right for them most part, but Slavs and other European people didn't took Viking Gods. All these nations had the same proto-Indoeuropean faith, that only diverged as time went on due to language and geographic barriers

Buck Wild - you are a dishonest person who emotes (falsely) rather then argues. I will remember that.

Labienus - it's easy to accept temporary suffering and three day death if you are an immortal God. Many men would accept that suffering if they knew that fate of humanity is at stake and after three days you get to resurrect.

Wutang - really Scandinavians are no more cucked then any Christian nation. Sweden is simply the champion of welfare therefore it is also the recor breaker on accepting migrants. I would also suspect that the (((hidden powers))) want to destroy the most recently converted European nations first and the propaganda is stronger there, then elsewhere.

Post: #213

True, but how is that less heroic than a Norse warrior willingly battling to death knowing that he will feast, drink, fight and fuck in Valhalla?

Christ died to show us that he cares and he also has skin in the game. He didn't need to do it but he did. That's pretty heroic.

Post: #214

Nassim Taleb, who is more sympathetic to paganism, specifically Canaanite paganism than his Greek Orthodox background once talked about how it was a big deal in Christian theology for Christ to be fully man and it was because an all-powerful God being crucified by puny humans isn't much skin in the game. A being with a human nature with all it's weaknesses being crucified on the other hand is putting skin and flesh and soul into the game.

Post: #215

Post: #216

^^ Out of context, but can somebody explain me the meaning of all these Israeli flags in members avatars?

Post: #217

So how will Astaru and Odinism be immune to being converged. Because so far no one is able to escape the leftward drift.

Post: #218

For those who think that Christianity was cucked from its inception, I urge you to re-read the Book of Revelations.

I agree that nearly every single Christian domination has been cucked by feminism and globalism. However, I don't think it's fair to say that it was weak and cucked from the start.

Post: #219

(12-17-2018 02:57 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 01:38 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 01:06 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:16 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

This post made me laugh more than any other on the forum. I can't quite grasp why, maybe because it's so true. The bit about the plane literally had me laughing out loud.

Vikings are still around, bud. They're called scandinavians.

Those countries top the human development index every year, and every muslim salivates at the opportunity to immigrate there and get a welfare check.

My second point from OP:

These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

Even the vikings were noted for their egalitarianism, and women were esteemed. Very different from the rest of the ancient/medieval world.

It's a good thing - if checked.

SJWism is basically the modern manifestation of an old malady - the white man's Achilles heel if you will. We're overly chivalrous and concerned with the plight of the minority.

WE freed the slaves, let the colonies have their independence, gave women the right to vote, let them into higher education, gave minorities affirmative action,etc. There may have been certain (((groups))) pushing for those sweeping changes, but it wouldn't have happened without the overwhelming support of white men. At the core, we're just too damn nice.

To answer your question, I'm not sure what kind of leftism you're referring too. I don't have any problem with the scandi welfare state. Just doesn't work when you're inviting muslim scum en masse. The SJWism is a big issue there, and throughout the West. Doesn't change the fact they're super developed countries the whole rest of the world is trying to migrate too.

Post: #220

The problem with the scandi welfare state is that it makes people way too soft. Without some competition and struggle, humans become decadent and weak.

Post: #221

(12-18-2018 07:56 AM)Labienus Wrote:  The problem with the scandi welfare state is that it makes people way too soft. Without some competition and struggle, humans become decadent and weak.

Meh America has a skeleton welfare state at best. Still there's a pandemic of decadent, soft gluttons walking around that I could slap and they wouldn't do anything about it.

This is more an issue of economic prosperity than economic models.

Still, I'd rather see the national wealth going to free uni and healthcare than the military (basically the IDF's north American branch) and corporate tax-breaks.

Those notions would make me a "leftist" according to a lot of conservatives. Whatever. Proud lefty checking in.

Post: #222

(12-18-2018 08:28 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-18-2018 07:56 AM)Labienus Wrote:  The problem with the scandi welfare state is that it makes people way too soft. Without some competition and struggle, humans become decadent and weak.

Meh America has a skeleton welfare state at best. Still there's a pandemic of decadent, soft gluttons walking around that I could slap and they wouldn't do anything about it.

This is more an issue of economic prosperity than economic models.

Still, I'd rather see the national wealth going to free uni and healthcare than the military (basically the IDF's north American branch) and corporate tax-breaks.

Those notions would make me a "leftist" according to a lot of conservatives. Whatever. Proud lefty checking in.

No doubt. I don't disagree with that. However, I'd cut welfare to zero for non-disabled people except for short-term safety nets for people who lose their jobs. Parasitism is the root of the problem.

Post: #223

Sweden is the literal birthplace of all germanic people.

The first blonde, blue eyed person was found in Sweden in 7000bc. The Germanic people spread from Sweden to become Germans, Anglo-Saxons, Dutch, Goth and many other forgotten people.

That's why (((they))) hit Sweden with all they had, they want to permanently destroy the well of germanic DNA, so that the damage they have done to Germany and Britain can never be replenished.

Post: #224

This sounds like the macro version of 'my biggest weakness is being to much of a perfectionist'. If we are to unfuck ourselves we need to take responsibility for our failures, not pretend they are virtues.

EDIT: forgot to quote but I was referring to Trumpian's post about Europeans being too nice.

Post: #225

(12-18-2018 01:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 02:57 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 01:38 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 01:06 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:16 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  If Muslims weren't around anymore, people would be talking about how cool Muslims were too. They'd be saying, "Who hasn't wanted to wield a curved sword, or conquer Spain, or crash a plane into a building on purpose? That stuff is badass. A religion that talks about getting pussy in the afterlife as a reward for jihad? How awesome of a tradition is that."

This post made me laugh more than any other on the forum. I can't quite grasp why, maybe because it's so true. The bit about the plane literally had me laughing out loud.

Vikings are still around, bud. They're called scandinavians.

Those countries top the human development index every year, and every muslim salivates at the opportunity to immigrate there and get a welfare check.

My second point from OP:

These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

To answer your question, I'm not sure what kind of leftism you're referring too. I don't have any problem with the scandi welfare state. Just doesn't work when you're inviting muslim scum en masse. The SJWism is a big issue there, and throughout the West. Doesn't change the fact they're super developed countries the whole rest of the world is trying to migrate too.

The welfare state was one of the aspects I was thinking about, especially since one of the biggest fears of a lot of people on our part of the internet is the threat of socialism and how so many young people are embracing it. What I was mostly thinking of would be the SJW aspects, especially feminism which is seen as both the cause and effect of the worst parts of Western modern society. There's a saying I've heard before: "If Tumblr was a country, then it would be Sweden".

More specifically, I was wondering how to square the image of the Nordic countries being paragon of masculinity with how it's also currently the most feminist part of the world and how it's held up as the primary example of what an ideal society should be like by soy consumers. There's also the Muslim situation you referred to and I'm not sure how to reconcile the Nordic Viking mystique with the refugees welcome stuff that is going on there.