Post: #126

(05-01-2017 11:53 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  Well that warrior spirit isnt completely lost. America and her allies are forever going to war except it is to be cannon fodder for (((them))).

Dropping bombs on other nations in the name of "democracy" isn't a warrior spirit.

Post: #127

(05-02-2017 08:59 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Ultimately I just don't feel so heavily defined by my past heritage since what I am is an amalgam of all the groups that met in the new world. I'm ok with this and I'm also ok with the fact that this isn't the case for most men.

I have the same opinion. I don't want some tribes to die out, because redheads and blondes are too cute to go in the world.

But genetic engineering can probably produce a legion of them in the future anyway.

Supremacism as in feeling of superiority even over actual achievements is dumb as well - even if a tribe is in fact currently smarter, more developed etc.

Imagine this - a green humanoid alien race invades earth with an overwhelming force. Turns out that the Greens are similar to us just 2000 years further along. They also learned how to boost their IQs by 50% - before that they were identical to human races. They then constitute a brutal dictatorship of ruling over all of us based on their technological advancement and higher intelligence. Would that make sense and be kind? It is not as if the Greens had achieved anything that we as humans could not achieve, it would have just taken us more time.

That is essentially supremacism based on let's say a current day army meeting the Romans ore Vikings in open battle or seeing their less advanced more primitive towns and cities. We could obliterate them all and laugh about how dumb they are to sacrifice their soldiers in rituals to their war gods (both the Romans as well as the Vikings did that). But are they truly inferior to us? Even worse if we as time travelers came to the Middle Ages to Medieval Europe and saw most people being much shorter than in Roman times, living significantly shorter due to malnourishment and having significantly lower IQs as well - would the same European ancestors of us be seen as inferior?

No reason for being a Green supremacist when all you have is just having had more time to develop your tech and the positive attributes of your tribe. The intergalactic Greens probably lived in caves too once.

I think we can as men associate with several tribes for our advantage just as we can be members of our family, some larger group, a nation, in the future call us all Terrans when humanity goes stellar or some actual Greens truly arrive.

Post: #128

Amen, Zelc.

Ultimately, I can learn much for Vikings, samurais, Bantus, Saracens, Braves and all the other warrior groups and don't feel a deep need to identify with the group of warriors who were (coincidentally) also the same colour as me.

Also, yeah, fuck those green dudes. Humanity would unite and tell them to fuck off back to the future.

Post: #129

(05-02-2017 09:26 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  That is essentially supremacism based on let's say a current day army meeting the Romans ore Vikings in open battle or seeing their less advanced more primitive towns and cities. We could obliterate them all and laugh about how dumb they are to sacrifice their soldiers in rituals to their war gods (both the Romans as well as the Vikings did that). But are they truly inferior to us?

Take away the modern weapons, the Romans, Vikings, Zulu's etc would destroy modern day armies in open field combat.

Modern day soldiers couldn't sacrifice a meal, let alone a life.

Western men today are soft, society has done a real number on men over the last decades. The average dude is out of shape, has a belly and probably couldn't run for 5 minutes without coughing up a lung.

So it's easier to fantasize about Vikings from 1000 years ago or watch some HBO show about Vikings and think you "might" share a similar DNA.

Post: #130

(05-02-2017 09:45 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Take away the modern weapons, the Romans, Vikings, Zulu's etc would destroy modern day armies in open field combat.

Nah - we send our Norwegian female-only elite forces against them - that should be enough:

Our women don't even need weapons - they are highly skilled in moxy and feminism. So long as no one mentions Trump, triggers them with cultural appropriation or calls them BOSSY, then they can do anything:

Post: #131

(05-02-2017 02:44 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

After a certain state of consciousness you will always endorse something outright evil.

Post: #132

(05-02-2017 02:44 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

I knew a guy who grew up poor and white in Arkansas in the 90's, and he said he was approached by The Order, a white supremacist group when he was in his teens.

He said that they sidle up like cults do, and don't come out with who they are at first, and give the young and alienated a place to belong and a sense of family, and then, incrementally, they start pushing their views forward.

It starts though by testing the views of the recruit by somewhat ambiguous statements to see how they react, and where they are mentally.

It didn't take with my friend, because he was intelligent, and got out of state and got an education, though just as with cults, you can see how people can be manipulated into these views.

It isn't like they show up at your house in sheets carrying gas cans, asking your mom if you can come out and play.

So that's how that type of conversion works.

On the other side, the more modern flavor of white nationalism, I would say is a form of reaction. Straight white men have been backpedaling and making allowances for everyone else for about fifty years now, and the hate is just getting stronger. So, seeing this state of affairs, and seeing that the white majority is being whittled away, I can imagine a lot of guys thinking that it will just get worse and worse for them.

And white nationalism is just waiting there with open arms.

I would say I am a civic nationalist if anything, although I am closer to Zel's cosmic view really, and believe that there is a spiritual hand behind things and I just have to take care of my business and God will sort out the rest.

I guess I would rather go down with the civic nationalism ship, than turn into a member of a shallow identity group, which is where it seems things are heading.

Post: #133

(05-02-2017 10:57 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  I knew a guy who grew up poor and white in Arkansas in the 90's, and he said he was approached by The Order, a white supremacist group when he was in his teens.

So he was basically approached by the only serious non-BS group that I can think of after the war, interesting. Not many of these around, these guys were the real deal.

Post: #134

Ultimately, isn't the idealized concept of the vikings much like that of Conan the Barbarian or the buccaneers of the age of sailing?
Rule of cool and all that?

Post: #135

Many people have to remember that the Vikings are the closest culture to the ancient Indo-European (Aryan) way that resonates with whites in the modern day. Furthermore, even though they were ruthless, they were also fearless, intelligent, driven and had a taste for adventure. They are descended from the same people that are responsible for the Indo-European languages and cultures seen today.

Post: #136

Vikings are just cool and happen to be white.

Post: #137

(05-02-2017 11:12 AM)Uruz Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:57 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  I knew a guy who grew up poor and white in Arkansas in the 90's, and he said he was approached by The Order, a white supremacist group when he was in his teens.

So he was basically approached by the only serious non-BS group that I can think of after the war, interesting. Not many of these around, these guys were the real deal.

Yes, The Order are such a lovely bunch of people aren't they? Murdering a radio host and bombing cinemas?

Post: #138

(05-02-2017 11:12 AM)Uruz Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:57 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  I knew a guy who grew up poor and white in Arkansas in the 90's, and he said he was approached by The Order, a white supremacist group when he was in his teens.

So he was basically approached by the only serious non-BS group that I can think of after the war, interesting. Not many of these around, these guys were the real deal.

Anyone wanna take bets on which previously banned obvious white nationalist plant Uruz is?

Post: #139

Did anyone watch Imperium? Thoughts?

Post: #140

(05-02-2017 10:57 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  On the other side, the more modern flavor of white nationalism, I would say is a form of reaction. Straight white men have been backpedaling and making allowances for everyone else for about fifty years now, and the hate is just getting stronger. So, seeing this state of affairs, and seeing that the white majority is being whittled away, I can imagine a lot of guys thinking that it will just get worse and worse for them.

And white nationalism is just waiting there with open arms.

I would say I am a civic nationalist if anything, although I am closer to Zel's cosmic view really, and believe that there is a spiritual hand behind things and I just have to take care of my business and God will sort out the rest.

I guess I would rather go down with the civic nationalism ship, than turn into a member of a shallow identity group, which is where it seems things are heading.

But the endless multitudes of non-white identity groups are A-OK, right? Their existence and actions have nothing to do with the push so many whites have felt towards their own new racial consciousness, correct?

Trump is just the beginning, men.

The white leaders who will be on the stage a few decades from now will make Donald Trump look like Fred Rogers.

Whether that is good or bad, I leave to the reader, of course.

Post: #141

^You haven't been here long.

This forum doesn't exactly praise the likes of Black Lives Matter or look fondly of any isolationist movement that I'm aware of.

Post: #142

Looks like I unintentionally pressed an extremely pale button.

Post: #143

(05-03-2017 01:46 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 11:12 AM)Uruz Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:57 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  I knew a guy who grew up poor and white in Arkansas in the 90's, and he said he was approached by The Order, a white supremacist group when he was in his teens.

So he was basically approached by the only serious non-BS group that I can think of after the war, interesting. Not many of these around, these guys were the real deal.

Anyone wanna take bets on which previously banned obvious white nationalist plant Uruz is?

I think he is bigbootyluvr.

Post: #144

Frankly the entire term White Nationalist is misleading.

IN my opinion Neonazis and KKK are White Supremacists with a very specific bent of ideology.

White nationalist is a misnomer in so far that most Western citizens should be advocating for white majority nations - aka white nations. Some like the US would have a relatively large black population into their midst and that is fine, because those blacks have mostly been brought against their will into the US and they worked, toiled, also bled in wars for the United States. They long deserved their right to be called Americans. However there should be an interest among those core populations to keep the ethnic makeup the same. I doubt that Black America will profit very much from a United States with a 60% Latino, 30% white, 10% black makeup. Even worse if it is a 20% Muslim (regardless whether Somali/African or Arab).

Both American Whites as well as Blacks should realize that it is in their interest to keep the US a majority White Nation with a large Black population.

As for the European states - their target should be clear, absolutely defend white nation states. Non white immigrants are fine up to a degree, more integrating ones like Indians, Chinese are 100 times more preferable to others.

And on that note I also agree with black African nationalists who want to keep states like Nigeria or South Africa predominantly black. However those states should recognize the contributions of Whites or they will repeat the errors of Mugabe and Zimbabwe. If you oust/kill a group and that country is better off, then it is one thing, but when you expel that group and the country collapses then this should be a lesson to anyone. That very same lesson is waiting for states like the US, Sweden, France etc. The "replacement" population at this current level of average development especially with Islam to the mix cannot adequately replace the White Western population without also collapsing the old orderly civilization. The Chinese or Japanese could replace White Westerners in terms of technology and order, but then the White Western culture would be gone too.

So in essence my strange reasoning comes to the conclusions that American Blacks should also be White Nationalists in the US at least. But as I said, we have to come up with a word that is different from the Nazi-bent that is also conflated by the media. They cleverly call actual Neonazi groups White Nationalists now, so that anyone who is calling himself a Nationalist is instantly associated with being as good as Hitler.

That stuff was so clever and everyone here including me was using those terms as identical. Back even 4 decades ago most Western nations took it as absolutely natural that predominantly White nation states would remain that way. The majority of other nations on Earth with 85% are non-White. Demanding those White nation states to change is like demanding the 100 mio. Japanese to allow 500 mio. non-Japanese into their country, which would essentially long-term eliminate the Japanese nation, culture and maybe even their specific ethnicity.

The liberals of their time in Western countries correctly wanted minorities to have equal rights, but dit not have the desire to invite 200 mio. of a non-White replacement population into their midst. This kind of thinking was absolutely natural. Now they have actually managed to convince Westerners to let go of that notion and give in to the multicultural crap that will ultimately usher in a terrible dictatorship and at times make shitholes out of orderly countries.

Thus we have to be conscious anytime someone says "Nationalist" is bad equally when they say anything "White something" is bad. Nationalism is not bad and desire for majority white nation states is not bad.

Men like Jared Taylor are automatically seen as good as Hitler despite the fact that his views are utterly conventional from a human history viewpoint.

Also I might add that sooner or later Earth will indeed be borderless when Humanity has reached an intergalactic space development, but that would have happened naturally and organically and not forced upon the people for the gains of a tiny world-elite. By that time the living standard should be pretty much identical across the world, so keeping up borders would be more or less irrelevant, but we are not there at all.

Post: #145

Tough Sell Zel.

Post: #146

(05-02-2017 02:44 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  To all the white guys on the forum. What stops you from becoming white nationalists? My question is really what makes some Europeans go full Nazi mode and some are more moderate? Environment? Genes? Lack of game?

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were they just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Post: #147

(05-03-2017 11:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As for the European states - their target should be clear, absolutely defend white nation states. Non white immigrants are fine up to a degree, more integrating ones like Indians, Chinese are 100 times more preferable to others.

LOL, do you honestly believe in what you wrote.

Maybe we have a misunderstanding on what integration means.

Where I live Indians and Chinese are not only integrating, they are taking over. Like most other groups, this involves them having their own communities and eventually trying to implement new laws that suit them.

Right now there is a housing boom with real estate going through the roof, everyone is pointing fingers but there are a lot of foreign investors (Chinese) who are more than willing to pay $50 -100K more for a house they desire.

The government bends over for these people because they add to the economy, pay taxes and have multiple children to feed the matrix.

Now the elephant in the room seems to be the declining birth rates among the white race, both in North America and Europe.

If you believe in White Nationalism or having majority of white people in Western countries, don't you think having children would help that cause?

Post: #148

(05-03-2017 04:11 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 11:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As for the European states - their target should be clear, absolutely defend white nation states. Non white immigrants are fine up to a degree, more integrating ones like Indians, Chinese are 100 times more preferable to others.

LOL, do you honestly believe in what you wrote.

Maybe we have a misunderstanding on what integration means.

Where I live Indians and Chinese are not only integrating, they are taking over. Like most other groups, this involves them having their own communities and eventually trying to implement new laws that suit them.

This is not integrating at all. Integrating doesn't mean change the country you moved to, to suit you personally and benefit you and your group.

Voting away the rights our ancestors, fought, bled, lost limbs and died for, isn't integrating.

Post: #149

Of course - I have not argued for Chinese to be imported in hundreds of millions and taking over. Canada is actually at risk of exactly this to happen to them. China is big enough to ship out 30 mio. and it would not make a dent.
Thus the old Canada would cease to exist and it would become a Canadian province of China resembling more Taiwan than Canada.

Canada should also have the right to remain a White nation state.

I just wish the guys on the right would stop taking cues from the Nazis, chill and relax a bit when it comes to occasional interracial kids and embrace a more sensible view of standing up to a White nation state without getting a hissy fit whenever a White woman marries a black man.

And in contrast non Whites should stop viewing Whites as the devil - it is not so bad living there and the overwhelming majority are well-meaning. Calling for their extermination or wanting to reduce them to a minority in the countries their ancestors have created is just evil as well.

But it does not matter what I say - the globalists prefer the races to be divided instead of joining ranks and tackling the things at hand. That way a unified rebellion is much tougher to organize when a country is comprised of very diverse groups that have a tough time to agree on a joint agenda. And that is how the Big Boys prefer things to be.

Post: #150

Quote:Of course - I have not argued for Chinese to be imported in hundreds of millions and taking over. Canada is actually at risk of exactly this to happen to them. China is big enough to ship out 30 mio. and it would not make a dent.
Thus the old Canada would cease to exist and it would become a Canadian province of China resembling more Taiwan than Canada.

Canada should also have the right to remain a White nation state.

I just wish the guys on the right would stop taking cues from the Nazis, chill and relax a bit when it comes to occasional interracial kids and embrace a more sensible view of standing up to a White nation state without getting a hissy fit whenever a White woman marries a black man.

And in contrast non Whites should stop viewing Whites as the devil - it is not so bad living there and the overwhelming majority are well-meaning. Calling for their extermination or wanting to reduce them to a minority in the countries their ancestors have created is just evil as well.

But it does not matter what I say - the globalists prefer the races to be divided instead of joining ranks and tackling the things at hand. That way a unified rebellion is much tougher to organize when a country is comprised of very diverse groups that have a tough time to agree on a joint agenda. And that is how the Big Boys prefer things to be.

Zelcorpion, (((the powers that be))), in their mind, believe that they are the only ones who should remain pure and everyone else should mix because it is what their book/god/whatever told them to do. Their delusion plus anger and envy towards white culture (and all other cultures as well) will obviously be their downfall because they refuse to learn from history, in that you cannot fit a square peg into a circular hole in the metaphorical sense.