Post: #51

Vikings? I'm not Nordic and the furthest I have ever thought about this was playing Skyrim. Other than that I'd rather not grow my hair like a hippy or have a beard.

Post: #52

What the white nationalists really want is a Hitler fetish, but that is a PR isuue.

Therefor they go with the vikings.

Aloha!

Post: #53

(04-30-2017 01:00 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  You should try visiting your ancestral lands and their countryside, see if it touches something. I bet it will.

Trondheim certainly touched my wallet. Pro tip, use travel in Norway as an opportunity for intermittent fasting by eating all your calories for the day in the hotel breakfast.

That said, I was also touched by the quantity of attractive blondes.

Post: #54

(04-30-2017 03:37 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 01:00 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  You should try visiting your ancestral lands and their countryside, see if it touches something. I bet it will.

Trondheim certainly touched my wallet. Pro tip, use travel in Norway as an opportunity for intermittent fasting by eating all your calories for the day in the hotel breakfast.

That said, I was also touched by the quantity of attractive blondes.

Travelling to Norway is a once in a lifetime, because you can only afford it once.

Post: #55

(04-30-2017 09:28 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Also forgot to add in the OP: the Muslims at least at one point in their history were actually maintaining civilizations and empires. The Vikings never did. It's one thing to be plundering helpless monks and nuns and villagers and then fleeing before the king's men (people that could actually fight back) would show up. It's another to be able to subjugate another tribe/nation and then establish your own on top of it which the Muslims have done. There's been no such thing as a Viking empire.

Russia was founded by the Rus tribe, a Viking tribe.

Normandy was given to the Vikings as tribute and Rollo was the first Duke of Normandy.

Is Iceland considered civilization? How about Greenland?

Sicily was occupied by Muslims until the 11th century, at which point the Normans conquered them.

Plenty of Vikings settled in England, too. Not nearly as cold. Vikings had a habit of conquering a place and settling there.

Norway has been a country since 872 and last I checked it still is. Just because there wasn't some massive conglomerate empire doesn't mean they never created civilization.

(04-30-2017 12:22 PM)the high Wrote:  How much African history have you really studied, though?

For example, even if you argue the original Egyptians weren't Black, (even so there was definitely a Black presence). The 25th dynasty of Egypt was ruled by a group called the Nubians rivals of the Egypt empire and unequivocally Black. This is recognized by historians everywhere.

So if someone did want to say "we wuz kangz" they would technically be right.

There were 170 pharaohs during the entire span of ancient Egypt. If you were suddenly born into ancient Egypt, odds are, you would be a slave. 80% of the population was enslaved.

Post: #56

My grandma is from the north, she told my I have viking blood. I consider it a positive trend. I know girls from Spain and South America that love to watch Vikings. I'm all in for that with my blond beard and blue eyes. I would even have fun to plunder a village, rape the women and burn it after down.
Viking and nordic stuff was popular all the time among right wing or even neonazis. I see this trend starting with 300, Spartans had be cool for some time. Now its Viking time. Just a cultural pop art. Why not use it when it can give a positive white man / culture image. Most attractive is the masculine part. At the end they did bend their knees to Christianity as well.

What vikings did was quite common at those times, so no hate for them. What Muslims do had be quite common at viking times. Not today. Thats the difference. Strange how a high western civilisation glorify a brute violent past and how a brute and violent now Islam culture daydream about their past Caliphate where Islam should have brought any enlightenment.

Post: #57

Another thing, the cultural zeitgeist have made the cultural heritage of a lot of people impossible to use in any way.

Example, the Futhark runes, which are a unique written language system, as unique and culturally dependent as the kanji. They are both a phonetic system of writing but also magical symbolism. It's most likely an adapation of an early, non-canonized bronze age Greek alphabet which made it's way to Scandinavia through some Eastern European influence. This is one of the reasons why the great late Thor Heyerdahl believed that Odin was an actual man from the current day Azerbaijan. Aser - baijan, like the names of the Nordic gods.

The runes have a very interesting story and naturally some might like to use them, but if I get a tattoo of a the Sig rune or the Odal rune, some antifa might try to punch me in the mouth for being a nazi. That's crazy. I've been restricted from using my own cultural symbols because of the Nazis?





Recommend this guy's youtube channel if you're interested in the Norse language.

Post: #58

Vikings are cool - I dont get the discussion here.

They were one of many Indo-European peoples that made the world as it is today. Those people had everything we here wish for, freedom, equality (all men were equal), artistic expression, mythology, masculinity etc.

Likely there is an interest in the past as 'modernity' is getting boring and the promise of great scientific leaps, economic opportunites, liberalism havent really given people the happiness or 'meaning' that they were after. Modernism and liberalism promised much and kept people engaged while the economic opportunities were there, it was a good run from the 50s onward but it cant be sustained and people need something more substantial in the long term.

At the end of the day, Pagan peoples had a world-view directly opposite to Monotheistic Christians and Muslims. 'Civilization' requires a certain level of subjugation and enslavement of local people to keep the thing running, exemplified very well with the example of Ancient Egypt. The Vikings, being largely free men, are thus considered barbarian or uncivilised.

Post: #59

I come from Viking stock.

I don't like to talk about it. Oh, ok then, you!

My surname is one of the Viking gods. Also its structure also lends itself to being authentic Viking (Son). And to top it off, my family come from a part of the UK with the highest genetics for being Viking.

Am I a Viking? Am I fuck.

I'm just another beta dweeb making his way in this world. Trying to understand it all. This is what I have found:

White people have lost their identity so they look to the past, they cling on things that might have meant something once, but don't really anymore. Now, I'm not doing my race down. I love my race. I love being white. But we have some problems. As a race. Not least our women, but that's an argument for another day.

Sure, you get big strapping 6'5" lads in Yorkshire shouting about muh Vikings. But like I said, they are too pussy coward to write a letter to their MP. They will not go out and protest. If you want to cut them down, you call them a 'racist'. They will melt. Not because they are not racists - they are - but they don't want their neighbours to know.

And some of these lads could rip your head off and shit down your neck - true Vikings really. But they won't write a letter to their MP. Fucking pussy cowards.

I'm getting a little bit sick of all these fucking 'hard men' that intimidate others smaller than them, but only do it for personal gain - drug deals etc. Where the fuck are the Men, the True Vikings who will reclaim or glorious White Race for ourselves. Ok, maybe injected a bit too much irony in to that last sentence.

I don't give a fuck if the whole world race mixes, as long as we can maintain healthy and vital populations. Who cares? But the Viking thing is a romanticism. It is the sign of an impotent white people still clutching at straws.

I want to maintain the white race. And I would like to see the black race maintained as well. What a crime it would be, if in, say 150 years time, you could not find a Bantu Queen to couple with (hi hi Atlanta Man). But I'm just being trite now.

The whole Viking thing is silly. It is a sign of impotence. But do not mock it totally. The future is going to be very much more complex than today, as we are slowly figuring out.

But I would still have respect for any white man that had respect for the Vikings. I am not a race traitor. Then again, some of us might be in for a bit of a shock when we find out that a significant proportion of the Vikings were indeed 'Black'.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

I'm all for an amnesty in talking about race. I think the time has come. But it needs to be a select few members only, people like TK, for example. I'd really love to hammer this shit out. But it would need to be limited. No race baiting. TK has proven time and time again he can distance himself from wider insults.

But I'm going off piste as usual.

Yeah, I'm a Viking bro. Pure bred. But I don't like to mention it...

Post: #60

OK - I get this perception of why Vikings should be viewed as equally negative as Muslims.

1. Vikings were not mainly raiders - yes they were often raiding, but they traded a lot and they settled down. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ra...-52803648/

It was virtually impossible to sustain a culture by raiding alone, since you would lose way too many soldiers each time you took a major city or encountered an enemy tribe. They were used gladly as mercenaries at times.

2. Vikings were not doing anything different than what other tribes were doing between 700-1200. Germany and actually all across Europe the so-called Black Knights preyed upon wanderers and attacked even cities 100 miles away. They plundered and raped.

3. Islam is 1000 times worse, because it creates a backwards ideology that keeps the people back in the year 700. If the Viking ideology would be taught in churches and Ragnar would be seen as a holy prophet, then you could worry, because the Vikings had slavery and were at times barbaric. They were certainly smart and capable warriors who sailed even to America. But as with all things - slavery keeps you back because the rich who own almost all slaves prevent technological advancement that devalues their wealth - their slaves.

Christianity civilized the Nordic tribes.

The reason why Whites exalt Vikings of old is because they are the embodiment of the warrior spirit.



But I have no problem with Muslims being proud of the previous conquests of Islam:



There is nothing wrong with invoking that ancient warrior spirit.



But we should know that each of those systems was limited in their own regard. Rome and Ancient Greece while being advanced for their age reached a limit as well - also I might - likely due to slavery as well.



All tribes may look to inspiration at the past, but we should not kid ourselves about the limitations of those things.



There is however one fucking super-glaring difference between the Vikings and your so-called White Supremacists (globalist trademark pending).

Muslims - hundreds of millions of them - still want to rekindle the old glory days, reconquer everything from Spain to Hungary, then expand until they conquer the world. They still claim that medieval sharia and Islam is the bestest super-duperest of all legal systems for the world.

Find me an organized movement out there that wants to reconquer Roman territories out of Italy or the Norwegians wishing to start raiding and taking slaves again.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE AND IT IS A MAJOR ONE!

Viking = old glory, just a symbol
Muslim warrior = current battle plan, nothing changed, will be beheading you today if given a chance

Post: #61

(04-30-2017 03:13 PM)Kona Wrote:  What the white nationalists really want is a Hitler fetish, but that is a PR isuue.

Therefor they go with the vikings.

Aloha!

I thought it was a cuckold fetish.

Post: #62

Much more credit on my side to the Cossacks rather than the Vikings, those guys where and still are some bad mofos...

   

   

   

Post: #63

Vikings were one of the last true warrior cultures that existed and they happened to be white. It's not far-fetched to think that folks (white nationalists or otherwise) would admire them.

Post: #64

(04-30-2017 12:03 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Just like with Hoteps with their "we wuz kangz" ideology we have white nationalists with "we wuz vikangz". The vikings are held up as an ideal that white men should be attempting to live up to with a big part of their appeal being that they are supposed to be exemplar noble savages, fierce warriors that aren't restrained by today's leftist SJW society and are free to live as men.

The things I find strange about this are the following:

- The same people who exalt vikings as noble savage barbarians are the typically the same people who view Muslims as barbarians as well but without the noble part. Vikings are supposed to be bad ass because instead of being tied down by boring civilization andthey spend their time raiding and raping in foreign lands yet when the Muslims were doing so when they began to expand out of the Arabian Peninsula it was an example of a primitive barbaric people wrecking the civilization around them. White nationalists also like to put the Germanic barbarian peoples on a pedestal and point them to them as an example of white warrior ethos but weren't they also a tribal barbarian people that ruined what was once a great advanced civilization (the Roman Empire) and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages? I want to emphasize that I am not a defender of Islam at all but at the same time I also think double standards need to be pointed out.

- These white nationalists also have a huge fetish for Northern Europeans but aren't these the people who the most infected with SJWism? Sweden in particular is always pointed out as the prime example of what happens to a country when it buys fully into Cultural Marxism. If Nordics are supposed to be infused with warrior bloodlines why have they more then any other people been unable to resist leftism?

it makes sense to me.
they hate Islamist (=/= muslims) the most because they are the same kind of people from opposite side, like hooligans from two rival clubs.

in Muslim countries you have many western friendly people who just want a peaceful world and don't give a shit about the "who can pee further" competition.

Post: #65

(04-30-2017 05:27 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  3. Islam is 1000 times worse, because it creates a backwards ideology that keeps the people back in the year 700. If the Viking ideology would be taught in churches and Ragnar would be seen as a holy prophet, then you could worry, because the Vikings had slavery and were at times barbaric. They were certainly smart and capable warriors who sailed even to America. But as with all things - slavery keeps you back because the rich who own almost all slaves prevent technological advancement that devalues their wealth - their slaves.

Christianity civilized the Nordic tribes.

it's the same thing Muslim consider was done by Arab empire.
I think you should put them both in the same bag, both are conquistador with a different religion.

what has really civilized the world is not religion, it's knowledge, science, wisdom, human rights and all the thing that created real social contract that respected the right to thing differently.

Post: #66

From having read a big chunk of the Sagas, I suspect a part of the appeal is also how free the Vikings seemed, especially compared to the social democracies constructed by their modern descendants.

Whether the portrayals are accurate or complete doesn't matter - the perception one gets is that in the 780-1100 period the Norse (at least the ones on Iceland, about whom most of the Sagas are concerned) enjoyed a great deal of personal freedom and self-rule, within the context of tribal and trade and familial ties.

In that sense the appeal is similar to that of the Wild West - a romanticized time and place where a man could live like a man, make his own decisions, make his own fortune, seek greener pastures, etc. If so, the appeal to white nationalists may simply be that Vikings symbolize the expression of manly virtues that have been denigrated and suppressed since the 1960s in favor of bland feminist multiculturalism, and the freedoms lost to encroaching laws and regulations over that same period in the name of "progress" and "social justice" and "environmental protection" and "diversity" and the like.

Post: #67

lots of Scandos have asian like features like snub noses and chinky eyes because of their paleo-asian sami genes.
this is what I mean:



give me a dark haired anglosaxon ubermensch like John Cleese any time over a blond Bjork look alike Inuit.

Post: #68

It's the white version of "we wuz kangs."

The irony is that most people (black or white) were probably farmers and serfs.

Post: #69

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Post: #70

(04-30-2017 09:55 PM)e-smile Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 05:27 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  3. Islam is 1000 times worse, because it creates a backwards ideology that keeps the people back in the year 700. If the Viking ideology would be taught in churches and Ragnar would be seen as a holy prophet, then you could worry, because the Vikings had slavery and were at times barbaric. They were certainly smart and capable warriors who sailed even to America. But as with all things - slavery keeps you back because the rich who own almost all slaves prevent technological advancement that devalues their wealth - their slaves.

Christianity civilized the Nordic tribes.

it's the same thing Muslim consider was done by Arab empire.
I think you should put them both in the same bag, both are conquistador with a different religion.

what has really civilized the world is not religion, it's knowledge, science, wisdom, human rights and all the thing that created real social contract that respected the right to thing differently.

I sense a Muslim apologist here once again.

If you really think that Westerners espousing Viking spirit are as dangerous as Jihadis driving over toddlers in Western cities, blowing themselves up every day and getting arrested every fucking day for foiled terror charges - then I have a property on the moon for you to sell!

No one on the right wants to start raiding, raping and taking slaves!

Hundreds of millions of Muslims however want to conquer the non-Muslim world through one means of another. Afterwards they plan on taking the EXACT FUCKING SAME IDEOLOGY OF THE 7TH CENTURY AND FORCE YOU TO LIVE UNDER IT!


That is why it is 1000 times worse and until you will find Viking Neonazis killing the same amount of people by raiding them from their new Viking boats, then I am afraid buster, that your logic is in Idiocracy land.

Post: #71

The vikings is yet another figure perverted by popular culture. They were foremost expansionist sea-farers and savvy traders/merchants. The raiding part is a historical footnote in comparison but is held up as the the one thing defining them.

Post: #72

What I dont get is white nationalism's obseession with Nazism especially amongst Slavs. Didnt the Nazis kill a whole bunch of white people?

Post: #73

(05-01-2017 03:03 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  What I dont get is white nationalism's obseession with Nazism especially amongst Slavs. Didnt the Nazis kill a whole bunch of white people?

It's a strong ideology with strong symbolism. There are Neonazis across all ethnic spectrums:


Mongolia


Russia


Black America - heh

I think that they simply take parts of the ideology and create a Nationalistic racial tribal myth out of it that it actually never was in such a way.

Post: #74

(05-01-2017 02:49 AM)Vicious Wrote:  The vikings is yet another figure perverted by popular culture. They were foremost expansionist sea-farers and savvy traders/merchants. The raiding part is a historical footnote in comparison but is held up as the the one thing defining them.

Don't worry about that. I remember the years 2004/2005, I couldn't grow a beard yet. That's when I started to get interested in Germanic Mythology. There was no one else around like me, everyone else was just living modern, western consumerist lifestyle, trying to act all 90's in a post 9/11 world.

What we are experiencing today is something like a second Rennaisance. Of course there's a lot of pop culture kitsch, but I like the general direction. European identity is reawakening. The interesting thing about "Vikings" is not the raiding stuff, but the idea of fighting against a non-european desert religion and way of life from the desert. Probably only 1% of scandinavian population ever engaging in those raids, so, most of the germanic pagan population weren't "Vikings". And when we talk about Danelaw and the Great Heathen Army, we are talking about professional armies, regular warfare and geopolitics, not tribal raiding bands ("Vikings").

Post: #75

(05-01-2017 02:47 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I sense a Muslim apologist here once again.

I sense someone who didn't read the whole post he was quoting and who jumped into conclusions too fast.

I'm not Muslim and I think it's a stupid religion just like the Christianity. it was used as an excuse to invade countries and assimilate people just like Christianity.