Post: #26

They just want your money....

Post: #27

I have been involved for almost 4 years with a girl from Lviv. At the beginning she was a little bit into pushing me to buy her things. I simply didn’t pay attention and just proceed. You can turn this thing around to them by saying that you never mix money and pleasure, or earlier in the first meeting when they ask you what you are looking for, you can say “I am looking for a SERIOUS relationship where the girl is into me and not into my money” This has helped to to weed out some closet gold diggers. Don’t get them used to nice stuff. With my LTR Ukrainian girl now it feels easy however not everything is so smooth. These are some of my conclusions, hope you guys find them useful

Pros:

As many have discussed, feels great to be out with a 7-8+ girl when like in my case date 6s at home.

- Very well groomed, nails, lips, make up, shaving everywhere to perfection. When I am out with her she always tells me that she is wearing a sexy thong waiting for me

- Sex maniac, these are her actual words about me. But honestly, they want sex all the time. If this is not happening, I think better proceed to the next one. I am not sure Russians, but the 4-5 Ukrainians I have had sex, we have had sex 3-5 times per day and very passionate.

- The materialistic part can be for your benefit. After 1 year of being in a relationship, we passed the spending phase into a building something together (I minimized the spending as much as possible) She pushed me to take better care of my money. She cooks for me and tries to minimize the going out expenses. Now I am into buying properties, she does a lot of the research. I have bought two apartments in nice beach areas for renting and couple time per year and used it to have nice vacations. i Think once they realize your income potential and because it is way higher than Ukrainian levels they are surprised on how much you can do with your money. This is without saying that never gives them any control or fall into buying “together”

- Order. The part that they grew up with a lot of limitations make them take great of everything. If you have been with Slavic girls you can notice they used over and over the same clothes because they have little selection (not gold diggers) My LTR still uses some t-shirt I bought her 4 years ago and looks as new. Different from American girls that consume things and they don’t care. She has helped me to dress better and apply her same methods. This has proven useful at work, where now people noticed my looks improved.

- Taking care of you. This not only applies to my LTR but in general to Slavic girls. If they respect you, you become their everything. Seriously, they make sure you fuck them until satisfaction, that you eat good, dress good, don’t buy stupid shit, etc. Bottom line is to have their respect and that is easier to say it than do it. One thing is to have abundance mentality, and it is easier in Ukraine as you see nice looking girls constantly.

The bad:

- Insecure. Once you are their “man” they are always afraid to loose you. Jealousy, wanting too much attention, etc. This can be solved in two ways. Disappear from their lives or buy them once in a while one or three flowers. Don’t be the guy that fills them with gifts.

- Gold diggers. Lots of them. You just have to accept the fact that almost all girls are gold diggers at different levels. Nothing bad with buying a girl you like a gift but this is a very sensitive topic. Avoid as much as possible, but wants they make you feel like their men, very hard to avoid buying her something, avoid expensive things.

- Commitment. They all want to marry soon. In my case I am not making the jump because I still feel need to still game a little more.

- Indepence. Many become dependent of you. Not about money, but of your attention.

- Slutty behavior. Because they are 24/7 into locking a guy for their life they will be in constant search until they respect your or see the potential for commitment.

The good thing is that there are lots of hot girls from FSU craving for a strong man. So if you don’t like one there are many others available. Not easy, but being strong mentally and being a successful man definitely helps to have opportunities opened with these girls. Show them that you are worth it to behave good andif not, you walk away.

Final note, I love FSU girls. Xorosho!

Post: #28

dupe

Post: #29

I spent 4 months in a relationship with a Russian girl from Ukraine. I even posted about it on this forum. I had never been in a relationship with a girl from Russia/Ukraine before (I had only ever dated Poles and westerners). It was all new to me, and there is certainly a personality difference with these women.

I always sensed things were slightly off in the relationship and after checking out some of her behaviour online it seemed likely that she had narcissistic personality disorder. I'm not a clinical psychologist, but she had many of the symptoms.

Some of her characteristics:

1) It was a given that I paid for 95% of things (dinner, movies, everything and anything) and if she wanted something she often dropped hints
2) Hardly ever enquiring about my life or taking any active interest in my life when we talked on the phone
3) She wasn't the most status driven girl I'd ever met, but she did often feel jealous about her friends who had nice things (some of these friends were in relationships with married men 20 years older than them)
4) Shapeshifting; had emotional swings not corresponding with the actual situation
5) High drama; even admitted she liked provoking arguments
6) Made hurtful, belittling comments and admitted as a matter of pride that she had done this to previous boyfriends as she knew their weak spots
7) Demanding; constant demands related to their insecurity about feeling wanted and desired
8) She expects you to be THE MAN at all times, no exceptions, and I'm afraid this means treating them like a subordinate and never conceding any power or taking any shit whatsoever

Now, the positives:

1) Great in bed, was down for whatever
2) Passionate
3) Traditional; she cooked and cleaned and never expected any of that from me
4) Beautiful
5) Could be very sweet and caring

Post: #30

Sounds exactly like American girls for the most part...

Post: #31

(03-10-2018 01:42 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  1) It was a given that I paid for 95% of things (dinner, movies, everything and anything) and if she wanted something she often dropped hints
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4) Shapeshifting; had emotional swings not corresponding with the actual situation
5) High drama; even admitted she liked provoking arguments
6) Made hurtful, belittling comments and admitted as a matter of pride that she had done this to previous boyfriends as she knew their weak spots
7) Demanding; constant demands related to their insecurity about feeling wanted and desired
8) She expects you to be THE MAN at all times, no exceptions, and I'm afraid this means treating them like a subordinate and never conceding any power or taking any shit whatsoever

Now, the positives:

...
5) Could be very sweet and caring

The numbered points of yours I've kept in relation to emotional instability/vulnerability vis-à-vis femininity/sweetness are what I continually notice.

For Poles and Czechs, (4), the first part of (5) (a propensity for high drama but not necessarily by provoking arguments with the man) and (7) (more general insecurity than demanding nature, though) stand out the most.

These are just my experiences, after relations/relationships with perhaps 25-30 West Slavs. Could be more.

I have a habit of telling people to fuck off when I do not like them, so it's almost certain I have screened out some of the real Slavic psychos or users out there. Even though I've had less East Slavs than West Slavs, I haven't had relations with many classically materialist Slavic women and definitely no hyper-materialists. Any relations with an obviously over-materialist girl ended pretty quickly, usually because I put my foot down fast.

I had an ex-girlfriend in CZ, virginal, marriage material, and capable of the most intense openness and vulnerability with me, who would, due to a combination of personality traits and problems in her childhood, fly into an emotional spin when her sisters did not do the dishes or somehow left their parents' home untidy. This was just one of many examples about how very unmet expectations of family support from her past would resurface. She had to tow the line publicly and emphasize how nice her family was, yet there were serious problems beneath the surface. Strangely, however, in many ways these problems were far less retarded than the problems, say, single motherhood causes in the West.

She hated arguing with me ("I always lose when I argue with you!") and her blow-ups were very, very rarely aimed at me (and even then, they were extremely mild by the standards for female histrionics I've read about on this forum). But there were tears and incidents that match certain numbered points above.

Generally speaking, the Russians are more outwardly volatile, whereas the Poles and Czechs tend to be more reserved, despite otherwise being closer to the West European baseline. Bear in mind, however, that the Russians we come across are usually either emigres or have an emigre mindset. I know a number of girls in the suburbs of Moscow or St. P, or out east in Chelyabinsk, Simbirsk, Kazan, Samara etc, who are harder to access (fewer trips abroad and more stable home lives with parents etc that take up their time), but are nevertheless more docile.

Post: #32

I have seen/experienced all these numbered points with a wiry Romanian ballet dance/gym rat. The more I ignored her 150IQ debates and need for drama, the better it worked. Introvert caveman worked best.

Reward: pussy made from golden sugar honey opium gold. Took me three years (!).

Post: #33

Anyone had the “bring my cousin” to dates phenomenon?

I have to stop myself from laughing when, at the end of the night, the third wheel female cousin is deciding whether to leave her relative in my company.