Post: #301

I haven't listened to that podcast, but I'm not surprised. Sam Harris is supposed to be some great thinker, but that's not justified at all.

To me, he's just a boring, robotic, 2D-thinking sperg...just like every other person who became famous for their atheism.

Post: #302

In addition to being an obnoxious atheist, Harris is also a flaming neocon.

Post: #303

Meh... I dunno.

I'd suggest any Western Male to read, "The. End Of Faith,' by Sam Harris. Fucking spot on.

Post: #304

I listen to Harris occasionally but my interest in him waned with his pretty blinkered opinions on Trump and for a guy who is trumpeted as a great mind, his argument for being very pro gay marriage amounted to "How could anyone be against gay marriage?". Poor stuff.

Post: #305

Also well worth watching is this breakdown of Liberalism (and Peterson's failings in a sense) from Irish YouTuber 'The Don'.

Post: #306

(12-03-2017 06:47 AM)amity Wrote:  Also well worth watching is this breakdown of Liberalism (and Peterson's failings in a sense) from Irish YouTuber 'The Don'.

Some good points. It's a little disjointed and he contradicts himself at times but he seems like a well-read dude.

Are there any, I guess, more reputable 'debunkings' of Peterson out there? Sometimes I feel like I exist in a JBP bubble.

Post: #307

Post: #308

Has anyone does that Self Authoring thing he talks about?

Post: #309

(12-02-2017 06:33 PM)911 Wrote:  In addition to being an obnoxious atheist, Harris is also a flaming neocon.

Seven part series deconstructing the irrationality of people like Dawkins and Harris, who claim to deny religion for rationality but are unable to eliminate massive blind spots if they run counter to the zeitgeist. Link is to part 7, which starts with links to all the others:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot...art-7.html

Post: #310

(12-04-2017 04:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Has anyone does that Self Authoring thing he talks about?

(11-24-2017 01:52 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 07:43 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Anybody done his self-authoring program? (https://www.selfauthoring.com/) I would like to try it but haven't quite been able to commit the time needed so haven't started.

I did it along with several other RVF friends. We'd take a week or two per section then do a video conference to discuss our results before moving on to the next.

I really couldn't recommend it more highly. Even though we've all been here on the RVF learning and improving for years, and are more likely than your average person to engage in honest self-reflection, the act of writing all this out forces the brain to clarify its goals and thought processes. We've all learned a lot, and sharing our results with each other was incredibly helpful.

As Peterson says, don't worry about doing it perfectly. Do it poorly but quickly then go back and elaborate further if needed on certain sections. Or take half an hour a day and spread it across weeks or months. If anything, giving yourself time to think about and sleep on the questions ought to improve your results, rather than attempting to blow through the entire thing in one afternoon.

Post: #311

Why simple moral childrens stories often effect us more, confronting fears, the very first video I ever watched on Peterson in 2014 I think, before he came to wider fame. I though it was incredible and sense of "Who is this great unknown?". Imagine my surprise when I realised who it was that would be in the gender pronoun storm! Of all the people! Like he was preparing!

I'm beginning to believe in synchronicity. Now I know why I loved Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy/stories of adventure as a young buck.

Post: #312

(12-05-2017 11:18 AM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Has anyone does that Self Authoring thing he talks about?

(11-24-2017 01:52 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 07:43 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Anybody done his self-authoring program? (https://www.selfauthoring.com/) I would like to try it but haven't quite been able to commit the time needed so haven't started.

I did it along with several other RVF friends. We'd take a week or two per section then do a video conference to discuss our results before moving on to the next.

I really couldn't recommend it more highly. Even though we've all been here on the RVF learning and improving for years, and are more likely than your average person to engage in honest self-reflection, the act of writing all this out forces the brain to clarify its goals and thought processes. We've all learned a lot, and sharing our results with each other was incredibly helpful.

As Peterson says, don't worry about doing it perfectly. Do it poorly but quickly then go back and elaborate further if needed on certain sections. Or take half an hour a day and spread it across weeks or months. If anything, giving yourself time to think about and sleep on the questions ought to improve your results, rather than attempting to blow through the entire thing in one afternoon.

I bought it too, and spenta considerable amount of time on it.

Though I was surprised at how simple the format was, it was an incredibly valuable exercise.

It's estimated that it's relatively quick to go through, however I spent hours going through each section, thoroughly concentrating through each of the contexts and how it applies/applied to me.

It truly did dig some things up that I never knew were there - some things that I'll forever be grateful for finding and coming to terms with.

10/10 would recommend in a heartbeat.

Post: #313

(12-04-2017 04:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Has anyone does that Self Authoring thing he talks about?

I did it.

It was extremely draining but very beneficial.

When I bought it there was a 2-for-1 deal; been meaning to give the second one away.

PM me if you're keen.

Post: #314

Thanks for the offer mate, but I bought it this morning (my time), also and thanks to the other guys who left reviews. I also did the 2 for 1 deal and gave my second copy to my brother who I believe will benefit from it.

Post: #315

(12-05-2017 04:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Thanks for the offer mate, but I bought it this morning (my time), also and thanks to the other guys who left reviews. I also did the 2 for 1 deal and gave my second copy to my brother who I believe will benefit from it.

Are you going to report back?

Post: #316

(12-05-2017 11:41 AM)paullyFIRE Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:18 AM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Has anyone does that Self Authoring thing he talks about?

(11-24-2017 01:52 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 07:43 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Anybody done his self-authoring program? (https://www.selfauthoring.com/) I would like to try it but haven't quite been able to commit the time needed so haven't started.

I did it along with several other RVF friends. We'd take a week or two per section then do a video conference to discuss our results before moving on to the next.

I really couldn't recommend it more highly. Even though we've all been here on the RVF learning and improving for years, and are more likely than your average person to engage in honest self-reflection, the act of writing all this out forces the brain to clarify its goals and thought processes. We've all learned a lot, and sharing our results with each other was incredibly helpful.

As Peterson says, don't worry about doing it perfectly. Do it poorly but quickly then go back and elaborate further if needed on certain sections. Or take half an hour a day and spread it across weeks or months. If anything, giving yourself time to think about and sleep on the questions ought to improve your results, rather than attempting to blow through the entire thing in one afternoon.

I bought it too, and spenta considerable amount of time on it.

Though I was surprised at how simple the format was, it was an incredibly valuable exercise.

It's estimated that it's relatively quick to go through, however I spent hours going through each section, thoroughly concentrating through each of the contexts and how it applies/applied to me.

It truly did dig some things up that I never knew were there - some things that I'll forever be grateful for finding and coming to terms with.

10/10 would recommend in a heartbeat.

That's one thing that really pissed me off about that Mister Metokur video somebody posted - he called out the self-authoring exercise as a "$10 personality test" and mocked it with his smarmy voice.

It turns out that writing is really effective in psychological treatment, both in increasing compliance and commitment and in clearing psychological baggage. I've even heard that 15 minutes of writing in the morning can radically improve one's mental performance through the day. Anyone who has read Influence read a bunch about Chinese POW camp guards inducing Western prisoners into writing commitment statements of anti-western propaganda which was effective in changing their own viewpoints.

So for that douchebag to dismiss what is clearly a long-form open-ended writing exercise based on some degree of psychotherapy as some kind of money-making phrenology scheme was the point I turned his shit off.

Post: #317

(12-01-2017 05:55 PM)Lordless Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 04:58 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  You can make anything sound dumb if you talk about it in a condescending tone of voice, oversimplify it, and refuse to address it in the sense it was meant.

This dude is triggered by Peterson, and pretending to be calling other people out for being triggered.

He is all over the map with his argument/insult/rhetorical style, and his targets are constantly shifting without warning.

I like his videos usually. This one seems like he is using a criticism of Peterson and his fans to work out his own issues.

It is just too snide and emotional to be taken seriously.

^^

It's difficult to see this as anything but Jim wanting to stir shit out of envy. I fail to see the issue with the Patreon dollar amount.

Didn't Jim abandon #Gamergate because other 'skeptics' were begging for Patreon donations in their video descriptions? Quite hypocritical, when he has "reluctantly opened a Patreon" and currently makes upwards of $3500 a month.

He and his fanbase are perpetual chuckle-fucks who live for e-drama. Faith Goldy's removal from whatever panel seems like an excuse to gun for him.

And wasn't he proven right? Gamergate fell to narcissistic self-promoters, who then declared victory as it utterly failed to achieve any of its objectives. See the following video:





While I'm a huge fan of Peterson, his fans can be very annoying, and Jim makes some poignant critiques.

Post: #318

Peterson also is a huge cuck on immigration/nationalism. He keeps praising Jews as a group for their high IQ and nobel prizes, keeps saying how many of his friends are Jews, then starts putting out hysterical tweets where he says that having pride in one's race is for losers who have never accomplished anything. He keeps saying that we should be individualists and "sort ourselves" and says that ethnonationalism is dumb and that we should not be concerned with issues like demographic replacement.

I understand that he's already vilified by the media here but he's very condescending against anyone remotely touching the idea that we have an immigration/multiculturalism problem and preaches individualism. Seems like he's protecting his recently gained popularity and wealth (doesn't want to lose his patreon shekels, 66k/month is serious money). Also, looks like fame and success got to his head, he has become very arrogant.

I like some of the things he has said and watched some of his lectures but he's getting way too much credit and his fanbase is basically a cult (no better than Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris fans). A bunch of them even call him as the savior of the West

Post: #319

He hits on a lot of Christian values without quite saying Jesus is real and is God. He is kind of like transition figure between academia and faith, so it is no surprise that he can be a bit messianic and develop a following. I think he is a good person to have in the world even if he doesn't have the right opinion on all issues. The Peterson phenomenon allows millions of young men around the world to improve themselves and learn Christian values without having to join a church or make any grand spiritual proclamations. I can't really see a problem with that.

Post: #320

(12-06-2017 01:25 AM)Labienus Wrote:  Peterson also is a huge cuck on immigration/nationalism. He keeps praising Jews as a group for their high IQ and nobel prizes, keeps saying how many of his friends are Jews, then starts putting out hysterical tweets where he says that having pride in one's race is for losers who have never accomplished anything. He keeps saying that we should be individualists and "sort ourselves" and says that ethnonationalism is dumb and that we should not be concerned with issues like demographic replacement.

I understand that he's already vilified by the media here but he's very condescending against anyone remotely touching the idea that we have an immigration/multiculturalism problem and preaches individualism. Seems like he's protecting his recently gained popularity and wealth (doesn't want to lose his patreon shekels, 66k/month is serious money). Also, looks like fame and success got to his head, he has become very arrogant.

I like some of the things he has said and watched some of his lectures but he's getting way too much credit and his fanbase is basically a cult (no better than Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris fans). A bunch of them even call him as the savior of the West

Not everyone has to be red pilled on every issue. The culture wars were won by the left because they had different kinds of people fighting different battles on different fronts. Jordan Peterson is doing good work voicing some of the concerns of hundreds of thousands of normal Canadians who have been betrayed by their institutions.

Post: #321

(12-06-2017 12:23 PM)Extinguished Light Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:25 AM)Labienus Wrote:  Peterson also is a huge cuck on immigration/nationalism. He keeps praising Jews as a group for their high IQ and nobel prizes, keeps saying how many of his friends are Jews, then starts putting out hysterical tweets where he says that having pride in one's race is for losers who have never accomplished anything. He keeps saying that we should be individualists and "sort ourselves" and says that ethnonationalism is dumb and that we should not be concerned with issues like demographic replacement.

I understand that he's already vilified by the media here but he's very condescending against anyone remotely touching the idea that we have an immigration/multiculturalism problem and preaches individualism. Seems like he's protecting his recently gained popularity and wealth (doesn't want to lose his patreon shekels, 66k/month is serious money). Also, looks like fame and success got to his head, he has become very arrogant.

I like some of the things he has said and watched some of his lectures but he's getting way too much credit and his fanbase is basically a cult (no better than Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris fans). A bunch of them even call him as the savior of the West

Not everyone has to be red pilled on every issue. The culture wars were won by the left because they had different kinds of people fighting different battles on different fronts. Jordan Peterson is doing good work voicing some of the concerns of hundreds of thousands of normal Canadians who have been betrayed by their institutions.

Yeah I agree. I simply dislike his condescending attitude to any voicing of ethnonationalist or anti-immigrationist views

Post: #322

The problem with Peterson is that he's inconsistent with his own beliefs, and he's far too bright to not see that. He goes on talking about how evil marxism is, constantly citing Solzhenitsyn, while completely ignoring that author's cultural analysis of Bolshevism.

This being said, I agree about his contributions being positive overall.

Post: #323

(12-06-2017 01:57 PM)911 Wrote:  The problem with Peterson is that he's inconsistent with his own beliefs, and he's far too bright to not see that. He goes on talking about how evil marxism is, constantly citing Solzhenitsyn, while completely ignoring that author's cultural analysis of Bolshevism.

This being said, I agree about his contributions being positive overall.

He knows who and when he is

I don't think he has ignored him --- big things need to take their time too, 911

Post: #324

I think he is one of the saviors of western culture.

I would gladly give up the nation state of Canada to preserve western culture, which owes much more to religion and city-states than the concept of a nation.

Post: #325

(12-07-2017 05:42 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  I think he is one of the saviors of western culture.

I would gladly give up the nation state of Canada to preserve western culture, which owes much more to religion and city-states than the concept of a nation.

But would you give up hockey?