Post: #276

@Syberpunk

You're coming down pretty hard on Peterson. Do you have solid evidence that he is simply being a coward by not speaking the truth?

Since speaking the truth and taking the consequences is like his thing, you are basically accusing him of being a fraud and hypocrite in a major way.

He and Saad are serious academics. Goldy, not so much and, sensual though she is, is a very odd bird. I watched Saad's video regarding the situation as well as Goldy's, and it feels like there is a lot of stuff going unsaid.

My feeling about her is that she is in it for the attention more than anything else, and that makes her kind of a loose cannon and I can understand the two dudes distancing themselves from that.

She just gives me the creeps too. She is in her mid twenties but seems like she could be late thirties or early forties, both in manner and looks. I don't know what she really stands for.

It seems like she could decide to be a white nationalist at the drop of a hat and embarrass the other two. She has a lot of those guys following her and defending her and trolling anyone who doesn't adore Faith.

This is not a serious individual. I think Peterson and Saad might have just done a cost/benefit analysis and decided to pass on old Faith and her Instagram account.

I think I have seen pictures and videos of her at rifle ranges. If she really wants to be a part of the event, she could always shoot her way in and make a video about it.

Post: #277

(11-24-2017 02:39 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  @Syberpunk

You're coming down pretty hard on Peterson. Do you have solid evidence that he is simply being a coward by not speaking the truth?

Since speaking the truth and taking the consequences is like his thing, you are basically accusing him of being a fraud and hypocrite in a major way.

He and Saad are serious academics. Goldy, not so much and, sensual though she is, is a very odd bird. I watched Saad's video regarding the situation as well as Goldy's, and it feels like there is a lot of stuff going unsaid.

My feeling about her is that she is in it for the attention more than anything else, and that makes her kind of a loose cannon and I can understand the two dudes distancing themselves from that.

She just gives me the creeps too. She is in her mid twenties but seems like she could be late thirties or early forties, both in manner and looks. I don't know what she really stands for.

It seems like she could decide to be a white nationalist at the drop of a hat and embarrass the other two. She has a lot of those guys following her and defending her and trolling anyone who doesn't adore Faith.

This is not a serious individual. I think Peterson and Saad might have just done a cost/benefit analysis and decided to pass on old Faith and her Instagram account.

I think I have seen pictures and videos of her at rifle ranges. If she really wants to be a part of the event, she could always shoot her way in and make a video about it.

I am pretty hard on him, I just felt jilted listening to him speak about a disinvitation for a panel on free speech as a good thing.

An this as well:

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...e-content’

The man isn't infallible and he'd be the first to say it.
And as for Goldy, I can see where you're coming from.

Post: #278

Old school Peterson on depression!

Post: #279

(11-24-2017 06:46 PM)churros Wrote:  Old school Peterson on depression!

He really looks badass with the dark hair and beard look. His recent silver-fox look is more professorial I guess but he seems much more put-together with the old look. Sounds somehow less rambly than some of his more recent videos too.

Post: #280

@SyberPunk.

Okay, I rewatched that explanation from Peterson and the others and I can see where you are coming from better. It was a bit mealy mouthed. Right now, Peterson is being tarred with the alt-right label from his enemies, including those bozos who tried to chasten Lindsay Shepherd, and so it looks like he is trying to avoid any sort of appearance of encouraging the *white supremacists,* so he kind of pussed out because of Goldy's chummy interview with those sketchy dudes.

They are going pretty hard after him, trying to make him look like a fascist.





So, I would say passing on her participation out of pragmatism, or because she is too hot right now, while understandable, is not really a stand up move.

On the other hand, I watched her video again too, and she is a bit of a nut, so . . .

Post: #281

Attention HCE.

Jordan Peterson has discovered Hitler parody videos.

Post: #282

Ye,s his good. I've been following him for a while. Lots of things he talks about resonate with me but I think he sometimes gets closer and closer to speculations and edges towards so-called experts overconfidence whereby the assertions and inferences he makes are dangerously closely to scientifically unfounded ones.

Post: #283

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 12:10 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  I love him and could and often do listen to him for what seems like forever; I think he is a pragmatic genius in terms of what he can bring to peoples lives and his utter detest of marxism is beyond godly and searing, but I know that he takes a great deal of the WW2 propaganda at face value(at least in public). To not, would make him a true pariah.

Which is why it kills me to say the following about the video, I'm posting.
Its so fucking disappointing and a problem when people take them so seriously. I mean he is a serious guy, bit this right here is just cute arrogance.

Faith Goldy was recently disinvited from a talk with him and Gad Saad , not even going to bother with the brackets, and a few others only a few days ago and their/his excuse is..... tremendous bullshit and hypocritical at its finest.

Faith Goldy's on-site reporting at Charlottesville was the absolute best. She spoke with the Daily Stormer but she didn't question them hard enough apprently. Gaad Sad gains support by bashing Islam (way to take a stand, not...bashing Islam is a no brainer), and I'd rather a Judaic culture than Islamic anyday but he is a charlatan.

But understandable for Peterson to cower personally. It would have made for some great fireworks for her to be there. He's had her there before, but "now too hot too handle". Goldy even supported Peterson when he was temporaily banned from youtube, but when it came to her, he slapped her down like the guy who begs the debtor, has mercy, gets himself forgiven of the loan, only to forget he was ever a beggar at all and strike the person who helped when it wasn't easy or profitable to do so, rather than extend the hand in reciprocation as she did to him.





He talks about Solzhenitsyn a lot, and good ol' Solzy was not squeamish about admitting that most Bolshevik and Soviet leaders were Jews. There's no way Peterson does not know this. Peterson has wondered why it's ok to fly the hammer and sickle, yet not the Swastika. He knows the answer to that as well. He knows who is in power right now, and who took power in Russia 100 years ago and murdered about 60,000,000 Russian Christians over the course of decades.

And her response to the above, holds herself well:

Exactly, that aspect of JP really seemed disingenuous to me. Overall, Peterson is a positive and interesting pundit, but as someone who is always preaching about moral rectitude and truthfulness, he does fall short here.

Goldy started out as Levant's chiksa, and despite going all out for the zionist cause, she gets canned and blacklisted for her one infraction.

Post: #284

Yes 911, It reminded me of how Stefan Molyneux would spin his wheels back...though I think Peterson is exponentially more useful and pragmatic source of advice and a unbelievably GOOD, decent man at the end of it. A very tough skin.

Wasn't Gavin McInnes also kicked from the Rebel for doing more or less the same as Goldy did, in sending up the Jewish cause in an interview even though full supporting it?

The America first but not ever before Israel line is really making itself clear. There will be few deviations allowed from it it seems.

I occasionally listen to Red Ice, they're excellent and can manage to look at things from a European perspective without that lense filter in place which few do.

Post: #285

Here nice criticism of Peterson from Mister Metokur:




The interesting thing about this video is clear warning that autistics placing Peterson on pedestal.

Post: #286

Dude is making a lot of money on Patreon.

Post: #287

You can make anything sound dumb if you talk about it in a condescending tone of voice, oversimplify it, and refuse to address it in the sense it was meant.

This dude is triggered by Peterson, and pretending to be calling other people out for being triggered.

He is all over the map with his argument/insult/rhetorical style, and his targets are constantly shifting without warning.

I like his videos usually. This one seems like he is using a criticism of Peterson and his fans to work out his own issues.

It is just too snide and emotional to be taken seriously.

Post: #288

(11-30-2017 04:58 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  You can make anything sound dumb if you talk about it in a condescending tone of voice, oversimplify it, and refuse to address it in the sense it was meant.

This dude is triggered by Peterson, and pretending to be calling other people out for being triggered.

He is all over the map with his argument/insult/rhetorical style, and his targets are constantly shifting without warning.

I like his videos usually. This one seems like he is using a criticism of Peterson and his fans to work out his own issues.

It is just too snide and emotional to be taken seriously.

^^

It's difficult to see this as anything but Jim wanting to stir shit out of envy. I fail to see the issue with the Patreon dollar amount.

Didn't Jim abandon #Gamergate because other 'skeptics' were begging for Patreon donations in their video descriptions? Quite hypocritical, when he has "reluctantly opened a Patreon" and currently makes upwards of $3500 a month.

He and his fanbase are perpetual chuckle-fucks who live for e-drama. Faith Goldy's removal from whatever panel seems like an excuse to gun for him.

Post: #289

God forbid the most important social commentator of this generation should make some money for his efforts.

Post: #290

(12-01-2017 09:13 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  God forbid the most important social commentator of this generation should make some money for his efforts.

Exactly, when he should be working through all the harm he has caused marginalized people.

Post: #291

Just started watching his Biblical Series on Youtube, only knowing his name through the viral videos of him where he's harassed by SJWs. His stream of conciousness-style of lecturing is incredible; a mind capable of digesting thoughts and themes like that, and presenting them in such a fashion on the spot, is enviable.

Stoked on diving into the rest of his material.

Post: #292

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Just started watching his Biblical Series on Youtube, only knowing his name through the viral videos of him where he's harassed by SJWs. His stream of conciousness-style of lecturing is incredible; a mind capable of digesting thoughts and themes like that, and presenting them in such a fashion on the spot, is enviable.

Stoked on diving into the rest of his material.

I'd recommend starting with Maps of Meaning; the Biblical lectures draw from them quite a bit, and I found them much more enjoyable after watching MoM than my friends who watched them the other way around.

There are quite a few foundational/fundamental ideas sprinkled throughout MoM (and his personality series which is also quite good) that, once understood, render his Biblical lectures simply sublime.

Post: #293

Couldn't listen to that video for more than 30 seconds; the dude's douchey-snark Daniel Tosh tone of voice instantly invalidated whatever he had to say. I bet he also scoffs at gym memberships because who needs a gym when you can do push-ups in your bedroom.

Post: #294

(12-02-2017 03:43 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  Couldn't listen to that video for more than 30 seconds; the dude's douchey-snark Daniel Tosh tone of voice instantly invalidated whatever he had to say. I bet he also scoffs at gym memberships because who needs a gym when you can do push-ups in your bedroom.

But I bet you routinely endure solipsistic, vapid rambling of chicks just to get laid? Come on man, this guy offers profundity in his ideas that makes it worthwhile to listen to his (sometimes grating) voice.

And Peterson was recently in a Swedish interview, where his main quote was "A weak man is a dangerous man". Now you can infer weak as in physically, mentally, spiritually weak etc. My point is, I'd be surprised if he scoffs at gym memberships.

Post: #295

I think he was talking about the Mr. Metokur vid mocking Peterson.

Post: #296

I failed to see the context. Apologies BadgerHut, disregard my comment.

Post: #297

(12-02-2017 04:13 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  I failed to see the context. Apologies BadgerHut, disregard my comment.

Appreciate the mea culpa.

Post: #298

Still listening to the podcast with Sam Harris, but this shit is GOLD.

Post: #299

Dang, this is a long podcast, but I really never knew (even though dated a Canadian for the last two years) how seriously fucked up the Canadian legal system is...
[paraphrased]

The Canadian gov passed a resolution to NOT refer to people as "him" or "her," and instead you have to refer to them as their gender identity??? What the holy fuck? If you refer to them with those two pronouns, it's considered a hate crime.... Gimme a fucking break! So frustrating!

Post: #300

Alright, my last post here on this: the podcast turned to total crap. It's like two clergymen arguing over scripture. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Sam Harris fan, and this guy, Jordan Peterson, is really a genius--I dig him, but listening to these two go at for 2 hours is cumbersome as fuck. We got Jordan arguing over what is "truth." I have to admit, he has a very logical argument, but it's just so abstract that he falls apart a bit. He's using "language" and "definitions" to object to Harris. I liken this to the Bill Clinton defense. It's so cumbersome.