Facebook threat forces cancellation of free speech event at Ryerson: Jordan Peterson
Quote:Ryerson University has cancelled a “free speech on campus” event after activists on Facebook threatened violent disruption, University of Toronto Professor Jordan Peterson says.
Peterson, whose criticism of political correctness — and especially genderless pronouns — has attracted international attention, was one of a panel of experts speaking at The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses.
A Facebook page, entitled “No Fascists in Our City!,” says the university is hosting a “bigoted event featuring some of the most bigoted folks around right now as panelists.
“This s--- stops now. Either you’re with us or you’re not ... We are beyond pschyed,” it says in an invitation to the like-minded to join them at the event.
Peterson suspects that Ryerson’s decision to cancel the free speech event was likely due to the Facebook message.
“It’s not pretty and it’s exactly the kind of careless dialogue that is producing, that is contributing in no small part, to this increasingly dangerous state of polarization that we seem to be confronted with,” Peterson said.
Ryerson University spokesman Michael Forbes said in a statement that a sessional instructor booked space for the event on Aug. 22.
“After a thorough security review, the university has concluded that Ryerson is not equipped to provide the necessary level of public safety for the event to go forward,” Forbes said. The statement did not specifically refer to the Facebook page.
Here’s what Peterson has to say:
•Do you have any sympathy for Ryerson’s position?
“I have some sympathy with Ryerson’s concerns even though I may not trust their motivations. But to shut it down also means there’s no opportunity for dialogue. And the fact that it was shut down also fuels the fire of the radical right who look at something like that and say, ‘It’s no bloody wonder that we’re taking the stance that we’re taking.’ And that’s not helpful ... It certainly doesn’t eliminate the underlying surreal reality of the cancellation by a university on a talk about the cancellation of talks by universities.”
•Do you think those actions are motivated more by the horrific events in Charlottesville that saw a counter-protester allegedly killed by a white supremacist?
“There’s a time and a place for everything, and I think there’s much to be said for the fact that it’s identity politics that fuelled what happened in Charlottesville but that’s not the appropriate topic for the week. The appropriate topic is how about (that) white supremacists don’t kill anyone.”
•What do you think of President Donald Trump’s much-criticized comments about Charlottesville protesters and fault?
“It’s not time for a nuanced analysis about who’s at fault for the current state of political polarization. It’s time for an unequivocal denouncement of the events in Charlottesville.”
•What do you think is the current state of free speech, especially after Charlottesville?
“I don’t think it’s exactly a setback for free speech. I wouldn’t characterize it that way ... I think what happened in Charlottesville is just another step on the road to the kind of polarization that produces conflict instead of conversation. That’s why I thought protecting free speech was so necessary to begin with because if you can’t talk to people with whom you disagree, then either you capitulate to them or you fight with them. Those are the only options.”
(08-02-2017 01:54 PM)debeguiled Wrote: Peterson gives an odd and equivocal answer when asked directly whether or not he is a Christian.
Yeah that's kind of weird, it makes you wonder about his faith.
I haven't seen enough Peterson videos to make a call about him. Clearly there are a lot of positives about JP, but one other thing that bothered me in the vids I've seen is that he's taking the Timothy Leary line on so-called psychedelic drugs like DMT, saying that those are cool "mind-expanding" drugs used by shamans, the same way Leary used to glamorize those drugs, which we now know were pushed by the PTB to dumb down and control a whole generation.
JP is, at best, a blue piller there. And given how bright and perceptive he appears to be, it makes you wonder.
“Nothing is more useful than to look upon the world as it really is.”
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08-24-2017 05:26 PM
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(08-24-2017 05:26 PM)911 Wrote: Yeah that's kind of weird, it makes you wonder about his faith.
I haven't seen enough Peterson videos to make a call about him. Clearly there are a lot of positives about JP, but one other thing that bothered me in the vids I've seen is that he's taking the Timothy Leary line on so-called psychedelic drugs like DMT, saying that those are cool "mind-expanding" drugs used by shamans, the same way Leary used to glamorize those drugs, which we now know were pushed by the PTB to dumb down and control a whole generation.
JP is, at best, a blue piller there. And given how bright and perceptive he appears to be, it makes you wonder.
He's usually discussing psychadelics as a scientific novelty because they are associated with the archetypal imagery that he writes about.
However, in both his university lectures and at least one of the Patreon Q&A, he is very clear that we do not know enough about psychadelics and that people use them at their peril because the short-term results can be devastating and the long-term effects are barely understood.
08-25-2017 06:45 AM
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(08-24-2017 05:26 PM)911 Wrote: I haven't seen enough Peterson videos to make a call about him. Clearly there are a lot of positives about JP, but one other thing that bothered me in the vids I've seen is that he's taking the Timothy Leary line on so-called psychedelic drugs like DMT, saying that those are cool "mind-expanding" drugs used by shamans, the same way Leary used to glamorize those drugs, which we now know were pushed by the PTB to dumb down and control a whole generation.
JP is, at best, a blue piller there. And given how bright and perceptive he appears to be, it makes you wonder.
I respectfully disagree that he takes the Timothy Leary line on encouraging widespread psychedelic use, and JP's overall message is the opposite of "turn on, tune in, drop out". Instead he tells young people over and over to "take responsibility for yourself, start with yourself, and sort yourself out". And the psychedelic issue is not black and white. Clearly they can cause problems in some people and are powerful substances not to be used lightly. But they also are associated with long term positive effects on creativity and overall sense of well being. In a recent study the one time use of psilocybin in cancer patients with depression and anxiety reduced their symptoms at rates and magnitudes far greater than any other currently used treatments.
It would be irresponsible to hide the risks of psychedelic use, but it would be equally so to pretend that their use does not have positive effects in many people.
(08-24-2017 05:26 PM)911 Wrote: Yeah that's kind of weird, it makes you wonder about his faith.
I haven't seen enough Peterson videos to make a call about him. Clearly there are a lot of positives about JP, but one other thing that bothered me in the vids I've seen is that he's taking the Timothy Leary line on so-called psychedelic drugs like DMT, saying that those are cool "mind-expanding" drugs used by shamans, the same way Leary used to glamorize those drugs, which we now know were pushed by the PTB to dumb down and control a whole generation.
JP is, at best, a blue piller there. And given how bright and perceptive he appears to be, it makes you wonder.
He's usually discussing psychadelics as a scientific novelty because they are associated with the archetypal imagery that he writes about.
However, in both his university lectures and at least one of the Patreon Q&A, he is very clear that we do not know enough about psychadelics and that people use them at their peril because the short-term results can be devastating and the long-term effects are barely understood.
LSD has been widely used for over 70 years, by millions of people, so its effects are very well known. The CIA dosed up a French village with LSD in 1951, resulting in 7 dead and dozens becoming mentally insane.
LSD was originally developed as a psychosis-inducing drug, designed to put patients into a temporary stage of insanity so that they can be studied and treatments developed for mentally ill people.
The darker agenda was about developing a mind control/truth serum drug, but LSD failed to deliver in that role. It was however found to be devastatingly effective at numbing and mentally damaging people, and subsequently it was rebranded as "psychedelic" and aimed at young Boomers through the hippie counterculture, the same way crack cocaine was aimed at the inner cities in the 1980s/90s.
Other psychedelic drugs were promoted as part of the new age "spiritual" package. This was one of the most successful social engineering projects of all time.
(08-25-2017 11:15 AM)Chevalier De Seingalt Wrote: I respectfully disagree that he takes the Timothy Leary line on encouraging widespread psychedelic use, and JP's overall message is the opposite of "turn on, tune in, drop out". Instead he tells young people over and over to "take responsibility for yourself, start with yourself, and sort yourself out". And the psychedelic issue is not black and white. Clearly they can cause problems in some people and are powerful substances not to be used lightly. But they also are associated with long term positive effects on creativity and overall sense of well being. In a recent study the one time use of psilocybin in cancer patients with depression and anxiety reduced their symptoms at rates and magnitudes far greater than any other currently used treatments.
It would be irresponsible to hide the risks of psychedelic use, but it would be equally so to pretend that their use does not have positive effects in many people.
The use of psilocybin and "magic" mushrooms was first popularized by Gordon Wasson in the late 50s. From Jan Irvin's blog:
Quote:In 2012 Jan Irvin made an important discovery. In the course of re-publishing The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by the Dead Sea Scrolls scholar John Allegro,[1] Irvin had been researching the letters of one of Allegro’s most prominent critics, Gordon Wasson, at various university archives (including Princeton, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth, and the Hoover Institute at Stanford) when he came across primary documents--letters actually written by Wasson--showing that he had worked with the CIA.[2]
Though Gordon Wasson was both chairman for the Council on Foreign Relations and the Vice President of Public Relations for J.P. Morgan Bank, he is most famous as the individual who “discovered,” or more accurately popularized, magic mushrooms. An article in Life magazine described fantastic visions and experiences Wasson claimed to have had while under their influence (see Life, May 13, 1957 – Seeking the Magic Mushroom). Wasson’s claims were the first description of the effects of psilocybin (“magic”) mushrooms presented to the general public.
Irvin saw troubling implications in his discovery. He was aware, of course, of the CIA’s infamous Project MK-ULTRA, in which the organization had given LSD to unsuspecting U.S. citizens. He also knew of the many conspiracy theories claiming that the government has been somehow involved with the creation of the “drug culture.” He was also aware of Dave McGowan's research on the drug and music movement that had come out of Laurel Canyon in the 1960‘s, which showed that many of the “rock idols” who created it were the children of members of military intelligence.[3]
So the fact that a member of the CIA had also been involved with the discovery of Psilocybe mushrooms fit into a large collection of troubling linkages between the American government and the drug culture that emerged during the 1960’s. Irvin decided to do further research into the government's involvement with the “psychedelic movement”.
Key points of the video: The 1960s counterculture was not organic, it was deliberately created by the PTBs, for a purpose. Drug use was promoted as a cool trend and the path to post-Christian "spiritual awakening". Its real objective is a tragically shattered culture with a damaged family structure, replaced by single mothers.
Oligarchs want a docile, discordant population deprived of its ethnic or extend family support system, and dependent on the welfare state and education system.
A great deal of our problems today derive from this, so this post is not really OT. Drug use today is no longer promoted in the same "drop out/tune in" manner Leary and the hippies, instead drugs are now presented as a cure to this socio-psychological damage brought about by the 1960s cultural destructive forces, presenting a chemical solution to the depression, anxiety and poor sense of well-being brought about by the destruction of the families and societal bonds.
“Nothing is more useful than to look upon the world as it really is.”
I like how they all got nervous talking about Nazis at the end. Peterson refused even to state his position on Nazis, which is amazing for a self admitted chatterbox like him. Even Weinstein was worried that speaking factually would have negative consequences for him.
“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”
To be honest, I don't think Peterson is at his best here. When talking about the politics of Nazism and Stalinism, he is hectoring and uninteresting. His other material is more interesting and original.
Ethics is for the individual. Not sociological theories. That's where Peterson goes wrong.
Very important concept to understand here, one that the Last Psychiatrist frequently mentions in passing: when your economy and your society gets more complex, simple labour tasks are destroyed. The Left won't recognise it -- "Anyone can be trained!" -- and the Right shuts its eyes to it -- "They should just work harder!"
He also touches on and locks together another point: then what do all those IQ 83 and so people do when they can't get jobs?
They get depressed, and they get on opioids. Because that's how our System stops them from picking up torches and pitchforks and hanging politicians from street lamps. The aristocratic classes learned a bit from the French Revolution, this time round there'll be all the opiate-based drugs necessary to keep anyone from changing things, violently or otherwise.
EDIT: Also, I found this:
I'd never heard of Price's Law before. If you haven't, find out about it. It describes in terrifying, mathematical detail why you have a 1% with all the money and 99% without. The implications of this are staggering. Sturgeon's Law is an application of it.
Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
(This post was last modified: 09-22-2017 07:35 AM by Paracelsus.)
Good find Sombro, though to be honest, I am watching it just to see him. Camille Paglia has one of the most annoying ways of speaking ever. Her personality makes me willing to take a pass on her ideas. She should be renamed Pagliaxenhammer666.
One of the things I like about Peterson, is, here is this dude who was an obscure backwater academic just a year ago, and he goes up against intellectual icons like Paglia and Sam Harris like it was nothing.
“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”
(10-03-2017 04:39 PM)debeguiled Wrote: Good find Sombro, though to be honest, I am watching it just to see him. Camille Paglia has one of the most annoying ways of speaking ever.
I've only seen half of the video so far but I think that Paglia more than holds her own here. Her analysis of what's wrong with higher education is spot on, and her anger is personal, since she was overlooked in her career in favor of mediocre/conformist minds.
As for her speaking style, it's admittedly an acquired taste. She credits it to her working-class Italian-American upbringing and it contrasts well here with Peterson's more gentil, measured style. She's from an older generation and burst onto the scene in her day in much the same way that Peterson has done recently. She hasn't had much new to say in recent decades and I doubt she ever will again.
Peterson is asking all the right questions. I hope they find some areas of disagreement later in the video.
Favorite Peterson quote here (around 37 minutes):
Quote:I know how to stand up to a man who's unfairly trespassing against me .. but I don't think that men can control crazy women.
Favorite Paglia quote here (around 40 minutes and 43 minutes):
Quote:I see this culture as rotting from within and disemboweling itself ... all of these problems of today are the direct consequence of women's emancipation and freedom from housework ...
UPDATE: I'm liking the second half even more.
Peterson quote (around 1:19):
Quote:I think we're living in the delusional fantasy of a naive thirteen-year-old girl. That basically sums up our culture.
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(08-24-2017 05:26 PM)911 Wrote: Yeah that's kind of weird, it makes you wonder about his faith.
This may seem like a stretch but I see a lot of Mister Rogers in Jordan Peterson.
Mister Rogers was an ordained minister and while he never brought organized religion into his show, it informed his approach to imparting wisdom to young kids.
So whatever JP's personal beliefs may be, he's made a point not to beat people over the head with it because he knows full well that it polarizes people. What he's saying winds up polarizing them enough.
I think the #1 approach people take to invalidate an opinion is to go after the person. Slap labels, etc... JP is trying to keep the discussion about ideas and not identity.
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2017 10:08 AM by questor70.)
I really enjoy Jordan Peterson's lectures. I especially like them because they give me fuel with which to troll other atheists. I love seeing dudes get their panties in a twist when you say things like "The west was founded on Christian principles and precepts" and then back it up with data. Ha.
I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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