Post: #151

Quick note on Bible Lecture VII (there are two versions uploaded and I don't have the exact quote so I won't bother to link video)

At one point, after describing how he arrived at this conclusion, he states that he started specifically trying to do the following:

Avoid saying things that make you weaker.

Unfortunately he didn't go in depth to much with examples of the kind of things that make you weak, but as an actionable piece of general advice it seems remarkably insightful to me. As CH used to say, a lot of men would see a marked improvement in their game simply by avoiding blatant supplication. I think Peterson is focused more on speaking truth and not making excuses and such. But the mentality is similar.

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Post: #153

A clip from the video someone posted on the previous page.... so much smarts in this video.

Post: #154

^
^
To women who blame everything on misogyny.

"Yeah, yeah. Everything is caused by the same thing. You've got one causal principle. Wonderful! Now you're a philosopher. You can figure out everything with it."

His sarcasm is as good as his thinking.

Post: #155

A great interview, I found this one better than the first Crowder interview. There are a few awkward parts of this interview but overall it's fantastic. Peterson explains importance of designing the space where you work and live. "It's a really good exercise to try and take a room in your house and make it perfect." (8:34). Similar to the self-authoring stuff, he says that what you want to do is imagine what you want to accomplish with that space, and then think about how to make that room the best it can be for that purpose. RVF members often tend towards minimalistic living spaces because they're oriented towards travel and independence. I think members of this forum tend to think and talk this way about their appearance.

The other major component of the interview involves Peterson giving Crowder a personality test. This one is fascinating for two reasons. First is that it's an opportunity for Peterson to talk about his core psychology stuff outside of a classroom and without any specific political point to make. Second is that Crowder has an interesting and unusual personality profile, which really helps to emphasize the subtlety and value of the big 5 inventory (compared to say, the meyers-briggs taxonomy). Oddly enough, when they pointed out he scored very high in neuroticism I was surprised, however when going back through the video to find that link I added above, I hit on the segment where Crowder describes how he got incredibly pissed off at his wife about these "Liberace nightstands" in the bedroom. That's exactly a high-neuroticism trait.

So basically, Crowder has traits that would predict being both a liberal (openness, compassion) and a conservative (orderlyness). His agreeableness score was very odd, it was high compassion but very low politeness. This is where that clip at the beginning comes from. Peterson says "yeah so you're an impulsive comedian and say reprehensible things, then you feel guilty about it."

Post: #156

Roger Scruton is another one worth listening to. Maybe someone more intelligent than me could start a thread about him. Left up to me, the thread would just say "Roger Scruton. Discuss..." And that's no way to start a thread.

Post: #157

@Blaster

What about his plans for world domination?

That was what I liked about this interview. When he said that in the near future, he will be hosting a web site that allows you to take the Big Five test that also allows you to compare your score to someone else's, say a girlfriend or business partner, to see what areas you are likely to be in conflict and what to do about it. He also said that later, they will be publishing a test that will include the Big Five as well as an I.Q. test, that will then spit out what jobs you would likely to be good at.

He is doing an end run around schools and actually teaching people who they are, what their strengths are, and areas they could excel in, not to mention introducing them to the fact that there are all different sorts of people, and that for true diversity, we have to focus on diversity of character.

Think if you learned this stuff in college. How much more valuable it would be than a feminist film makers elective course?

He also said that he will be putting a computer program online, and if you type the course description of a class you are thinking of taking into the program, it will let you know whether or not the course is post modern propaganda instead of an academic course. And there will be a database of such courses, which will let you know which schools learn towards education, and which one lean towards Post modernist indoctrination.

Is this exciting or what? Think of his following, and think of all the young men going off to college. If they start using his post-modernism red flag program, it will eventually start affecting college enrollment, and the anti Western Tradition schools will lose students, money, everything.

He is reinvigorating the idea of education.

Post: #158

Im not liking his going off topic. In the newest Biblical lecture about Abraham he goes off on some tangent for over an hour!

Its obviously beneficial to incorporate ideas from multiples spheres but they should only be used to prime up the main idea. With this lecture I couldnt tell why he was going off on the tangents.

Post: #159

Quote:He is doing an end run around schools and actually teaching people who they are, what their strengths are, and areas they could excel in, not to mention introducing them to the fact that there are all different sorts of people, and that for true diversity, we have to focus on diversity of character.

I consider myself fortunate to have had a real western humanities education. Though I did not take it seriously enough, I still read (or at least skimmed) many of the major works in the western canon and participated in serious classroom discussions. I recall discussions with former high school classmates who went to reputable liberal arts schools but did not get that kind of classic education.

I'm not sure how other universities do it, but where I went, the humanities courses were taught by various professors from across different departments-- mostly philosophy, history, and English literature. Since all students had to take the humanities classes, they almost always filled up quickly during registration. A couple professors (mostly in philosophy) were known for being hard-asses, so their classes would fill up slowly even if they were during prime time. But they'd fill eventually. The one exception: there was one notorious feminist. She regularly got bad reviews and nobody would pick her for the western tradition classes.

This was 20 years ago, though. Apart from numeric scores, reviews were passed on via word-of-mouth and there were no social justice tribunals to expel you for questioning a feminist.

Quote:He also said that he will be putting a computer program online, and if you type the course description of a class you are thinking of taking into the program, it will let you know whether or not the course is post modern propaganda instead of an academic course. And there will be a database of such courses, which will let you know which schools learn towards education, and which one lean towards Post modernist indoctrination.

Let's say I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. If it's effective, I forsee a linguistic arms race where the Postmodernists adapt their language to evade detection. Redefining language for the purposes of obfuscation is one thing Postmodernists embrace. I suspect the best model will be a hybrid, where the algorithm will kick out suspect classes (heh) which can then be subject to consensus-based criticism and expert or experienced commentary.

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Here's a great JBP video with an anecdote about his attempts to sell a personality test to corporations to help them make better hires. He points out that the most successful and marketable personality test turns out to be the Meyers-Briggs test, which has no predictive value at all.

So why do people use it? [The reason is that] It doesn't hurt anybody's feelings. Everybody wins. The problem with tests that work is that most of the people who take them don't do very well on them. The other problem is that people aren't good at statistical reasoning.

So basically they wound up trying to sell the test to mid-level managers who wanted to take the test before giving it to their employees or prospective employees. The typical managers, being typical, would score at the 50th percentile. They wouldn't be happy about that, despite 50th percentile not being that bad (it means they're better than half of all managers who took the test).





He then follows up with a more general, but spot-on description of what it's like to try and sell anything to a large corporation.

Post: #160

(07-27-2017 10:38 PM)Blaster Wrote:  The other major component of the interview involves Peterson giving Crowder a personality test. This one is fascinating for two reasons. First is that it's an opportunity for Peterson to talk about his core psychology stuff outside of a classroom and without any specific political point to make. Second is that Crowder has an interesting and unusual personality profile, which really helps to emphasize the subtlety and value of the big 5 inventory (compared to say, the meyers-briggs taxonomy). Oddly enough, when they pointed out he scored very high in neuroticism I was surprised, however when going back through the video to find that link I added above, I hit on the segment where Crowder describes how he got incredibly pissed off at his wife about these "Liberace nightstands" in the bedroom. That's exactly a high-neuroticism trait.

So basically, Crowder has traits that would predict being both a liberal (openness, compassion) and a conservative (orderlyness). His agreeableness score was very odd, it was high compassion but very low politeness. This is where that clip at the beginning comes from. Peterson says "yeah so you're an impulsive comedian and say reprehensible things, then you feel guilty about it."

All creative / artistic conservatives have a heavy dose of neuroticism. I know because I (and my film friends) do.

I guess we would have been engineers or sales managers if we didn't have the mutation of "just so"ness or "too fine a point"ness.

Although I make my money as a sales manager, so...

Post: #161

In case anyone is interested, you can take the Big Five here:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo300.htm

Post: #162

This is DEEP!! Professor Peterson is truly a gift to humanity!





I downloaded lots of his videos and watch them on repeat whenever I have time. He never fails to give me a much needed kick in the ass to go and become the best version of myself.

Post: #163

This would be a strike right at the power center of the leftists, universities are the biggest promoter of the post-modern cabal that is destroying our society. If a legitimate alternative is available it would change the world.

Post: #164

^ I think we'll see more of this. James Dyson, the British entrepreneur and inventor is starting a university focused on innovation, which basically teaches science, maths, and engineering. There's unlikely to be much pussy there, and what there is may be better left alone, but it could be a hell of a place to spend a few years for the right kind of person.

Post: #165

(07-30-2017 03:15 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  ^ I think we'll see more of this. James Dyson, the British entrepreneur and inventor is starting a university focused on innovation, which basically teaches science, maths, and engineering. There's unlikely to be much pussy there, and what there is may be better left alone, but it could be a hell of a place to spend a few years for the right kind of person.

Maybe another enterprising entrepreneur can start a brothel next door.

Post: #166

Yeah, it is definitely happening.

In this video, Peterson and another professor, and a student who is an army veteran do some strategizing about how to change higher education.






The student, John Kirbow, is trying to use the same skills he used as a soldier to make peace with tribal leaders in Afghanistan to get students talking with each other in productive ways.

It is an antidote to safe spaces called "Exchange Spaces."

The Exchange Space





I hope it works, though my fear is that talking to SJWs will make him nostalgic for tribal warlords.

In a way though, it doesn't matter.

What I am seeing from Peterson, as well as the other two men is that there are a lot of people out there frustrated with higher education, and as long as there are people out there trying to figure out new ways to teach and to reach students, then all is not lost.

It seems like the demoralized professors still have some fight in them yet, and I am not ready to bet against them.

Post: #167

(07-29-2017 10:57 PM)QuietDog Wrote:  



This would be a strike right at the power center of the leftists, universities are the biggest promoter of the post-modern cabal that is destroying our society. If a legitimate alternative is available it would change the world.

One of the best Jordan Peterson interviews so far.

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Post: #169

(07-29-2017 05:00 PM)Reaper Wrote:  This is DEEP!! Professor Peterson is truly a gift to humanity!





I downloaded lots of his videos and watch them on repeat whenever I have time. He never fails to give me a much needed kick in the ass to go and become the best version of myself.

Glad I pressed play.

I initially hesitated when I saw the Starbucks cup.

Only SoyBoys with non-existent T-levels ever go there.

Everyone Knows This.

Post: #170

A great insight into the self authoring program.

Post: #171

From his reddit posted earlier in the thread:

"I think there's room for indulgence, [but] I don't think that that's the same as saying that there's room for weak indulgence. Why do something if it makes you weak? Unless you wish to be weak..."

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #172

(07-30-2017 02:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I hope it works, though my fear is that talking to SJWs will make him nostalgic for tribal warlords.

Post: #173

I've been meaning to post a write-up here about how discovering JBP has changed my life in major ways, but I'm pretty busy with other stuff at the moment so for now just wanted to drop in and inform y'all that he's started a new, additional YouTube channel just for short/pithy clips:

Jordan B Peterson Clips

Post: #174

Many parts to this announcement, but the major highlight: college students and hopefully high school students will input a course summary into a website. The AI program of this website will determine whether the course is post-modernist, neo-Marxist - with the expressed goal of reducing enrollment in these courses by 75% over the next five years.

Holy shit.

Post: #175

(07-31-2017 10:39 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  



Many parts to this announcement, but the major highlight: college students and hopefully high school students will input a course summary into a website. The AI program of this website will determine whether the course is post-modernist, neo-Marxist - with the expressed goal of reducing enrollment in these courses by 75% over the next five years.

Holy shit.

Post a manly thing you did today.