Post: #76

Leonard that's actually a really good strategy, why create an emotionally strung out conversation.

But I think telling her something that translates to, "Don't ever do that again" should be mentioned.

Post: #77

^I'd place that message in the tone of my voice. It would be firm, matter-of-fact an unflinching.

Post: #78

Well done, Dalaran. That's very good handling of the situation.

However, the battle may be won, but the war is not over yet. You have some serious work to do with this girl.

- Set a zero tolerance policy for such disrespect: swearing at you and walking away
- Get her on board with your faith, your philosophy and your politics. She is not following you if she believes in fundamentally different things than you do.

Do not get blinded by make-up sex, as hot as it may be. If she learns that she can get away with serious offences through being cute and giving you some hot sex, she will never truly follow your lead.

Submission in bed is good, but is not sufficient. Plenty of women can be very submissive sexually but are completely disloyal in and out of the bedroom. You want her complete submission of her soul, belief and philosophy. If this is going to be your practice (or the real thing) for eventual marriage, you should aim for that.

Post: #79

(03-12-2017 08:43 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  It was a good, solid 2-years long LTR that was satisifying and pleasant, but tonight it's almost as if life tells me to end this shit right here and now.

Background: she checks all boxes for LTR: virgin (before me), very sweet, feminine, caring and passionate. Love doing things for me, she handknit me a scarf for the winter, among other things. And she is quite hot.

Nothing ever comes without a price: she is a die-hard vegatarian and "save the planet" maniac. I personally dont mind it (if I have to choose that over a die-hard feminist...) and it rarely becomes a problem. Until now

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We were doing an usual romantic walk in the park, things were going stellar. Yesterday she invited me to joined her family for lunch. We were talking about our next trip together. Found a greek restaurant for dinner.

Everything was great, we were eating while holding hands and discussing history and mythology. Then I blurted out "would be awesome living an ancient Greek lifestyle, but with the benefits of modern medicine"

She then launched into a sudden attack beast mode about how vaccines are killing people, anti-biotics are evil, that ancient people lived healthier than we do with plants as their medicine.

I kept my cool and let her have at it, occasionnally throwing it back at her. I wanted to see the red flag unfurl.

It devolved fast and she started attacking me, about why I dont do my part to save the environment, like using an electric car or shit. "You are so selfish, when you eat meat you dont think about how these animals are mis-treated" Bitch if I want me some steak I could care less how a bull die.

The final straw came when she said something along the lines of "I hope you and others who are polluting the environment die with a choked lung".

At the end she said "I'll sleep at my place tonight", to which I said, "yeah, me too"

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You guys may think it is the silliest thing ever to break off an otherwise satisfying LTR for something as trivial as this.

But unless I was having too much of that great Greek wine, I see several red flags:

-Very dogmatic girl with a SJW like attitude. During our 2 year together she very rarely show this side, but now its out of the bag its hard to ignore.

-immature (well she is 21...) and vicious. Hard to stay in a LTR if your girl prefers that you choke on your lung to prove a point, isn't it?

-she walked away. This is the last drop for me. A girl is LTR material until she walks away. We had arguments like every healthy couple, but every time she always tried to talk it out with me and wanted to come to my place afterward. This time, however, she wanted to go back to her place. I wont keep it from her.

Tomorrow I'll gather her stuff and drop it off at her place. Its her birthday in 2 weeks so I want to get this over it ASAP instead of dragging it out.
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I might be making a rash decision but I feel like this is what needs to be done. People will say "you are really breaking off a good LTR over that?", but ignoring shit like this is how many guys got pussy whipped in their LTR until it choke the manhood out of them.

I also think there's another point in LTR- maintenance to be learn here: I get she got frustrated that after all this time she didnt manage to convert me to become a tree-hugger. All girls want to tame her man. If you let yourself be tame, you are dead and the girl will leave. However, if you shatter her illusion that she could tame you, she will also leave.

So maybe a good strategy is to dangle that carrot in front of her for as long as it suits you. Or try finding a girl who doesnt want to change you (good luck with that)

Cheers,

Family is of course an exception ,but for close friendships or relationships, extreme virtue signaling is a big no no for any long term thing to be sustainable or bring joy and pleasantries. You can't have two people be both passionate about two opposed ideas or ideologies.

Post: #80

I don't think it's threadworthy in and of itself but Dalaran's experience with this girl and my own observations in the early stages of my (then) LTR have led me to an interesting conclusion.

If you want a woman to abandon her stupid beliefs then you have to provide something else to replace them with. A man has to be the spiritual and intellectual leader of his tribe, not just the physical leader.

It's not enough (in this instance) to explain to this girl why she's wrong. In fact, unless you're willing to lead her down a different path then there's no point in bothering to discredit her beliefs at all. Women, even more than men, have to hate something. They cannot be entirely neutral. They need an "other". A separate group or issue or ideology that they know in their heart that they may despise and ridicule and wish destruction on. It might not seem very enlightened, but women are hyper-emotional creatures and so they feel everything twice as strongly as us men.

On a larger scale we find this behaviour destroying our civilisations, because we have refused as a people for a long time to name a different peoples or culture as our sworn enemy, and in failing to do that women have now trotted about desperate to fill that void, replacing enemies of male choosing with enemies of female choosing, ie animal cruelty, patriarchy, racists, etc etc.

Put simply, they need their two minutes of hate and if you fail to provide a target for it then they will not only choose one of their own, they will see you as a lesser man for having failed to appropriately direct them.

In this particular instance I suspect Dalaran shouldn't bother trying to reform his woman. He would get far better results showing that he, himself hates something with enough passion and fervour. For me it's islamic immigration. My wife is an immigrant so for a long time I didn't discuss the issue with her. "No point" I thought. "Wouldn't be productive". Boy was I wrong. One day we were in the car and she starts telling me about "these people I had to deal with at work". Old-school muslims it turns out.

"Why are they like that?"

An epic hour long rant ensued. At the end of it I thought she'd think less of me, but her eyes were fixated on me in a whole new way I'd never seen before. A piece of the puzzle that was her life had been fitted snugly into place.

"This is who we hate. This is who we fear. These are the people who are not us. These are the people I have to look out for and protect the cubs from."

Is it enlightened? No. But it's a fact and if you think about the way women act then you'll know it to be true. This is probably why gang members can be dead-ass, broke fuckwits but still drag in mad pussy. Because women LOVE to think of their men as warriors fighting against a hostile tribe.

So, to get around to the point of this incredibly long screed, Dalaran needs to ignore his girl's own hatreds and demonstrate that he has some of his own. He has to talk about it from time to time, particularly how he worries that it might affect his woman and his future children. If he does that then there's a good chance that his girl will simply forget all about that stupid vegan nonsense. She will look at him doe-eyed as he talks about the perils of this or that, safe in the knowledge that her man is aware of that everpresent threat of "that other tribe" because there is ALWAYS an "other tribe", and if you don't provide one then she's going to do it for you.

Post: #81

(03-15-2017 12:44 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Before some of ya niggas get all disappointed and like “bro shoulda taught her a lesson right then and there maybe even next her” , let me back track:

What kind of ungraceful cunt I have to be, if she was coming over in cheerful reconciliatory mood with gifts, to devolve the situation AGAIN and soil both our good mood?

She came over with good intention, and I wasn’t a simmering chode ready to explode because I can’t hold my anger in. It was neither the time nor place to go over what happened Sunday.

Nah. I certainly wouldn't be upset that it seemed to eventually work out just to have Internet-advice vindicated. "Next her!" is easy to say. It's definitely not easy to do when you've got a very sad girl sitting next to you who you've sunk X number of months or years in your life into.

If she had chosen herself to bail on you forever over this spat, then certainly, good riddance. But she seemed to eventually came back in a reconciliatory frame. Ok, great! Let's be real - reliable pussy is valuable. A tiff over the "environment" certainly doesn't seem worth ending a relationship over. Patterns of high-drama behavior would be more worrisome, but as always it's finally up to the player to make the call.

The guy who said "Yeah my GF said she thought about getting into escorting during the two weeks we were broken up", THAT guy needs to get the fuck out fast. Thankfully, you're not him.

I think the goal, as always, should be to nip this stuff in the bud before it becomes big hassle. I've only used the "soft-next" technique on an angry, yelling girlfriend a couple times in my life. It's not easy to do, should probably be used extremely sparingly, but really does work wonders for everyone's stress levels.

Post: #82

I'm a bit late, but Dalaran's initial instinct to break up was correct. She didn't give him a typical "shit test" or outburst that is common with women, but a nuclear insult that said one of several things:

1. She doesn't respect his authority. To test if this is the case, we'd need confirmation with other behavior. Has she been rolling her eyes at you lately? Has she been more flakey? Has she been more active on social media or with single friends? If she is losing respect for you, it's because the leash on her is too slack OR she doesn't want a leash at all. If it's the former, you have to tighten the leash by laying down the law and upholding it. If it's the latter, you won't be able to continue.

2. She has depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental disease. Does mental illness run in her family? Has she told you her mother/father/siblings are depressed? Because this problem can't easily be solved (medication has side effects), this will degrade her in your eyes as a potential mother.

3. There's another man in her orbit and she wants out of the relationship. Even when a girl emotionally checks out of a relationship, she rather be dumped so that she can play the victim to her family and friends. And when you do dump her, she will act as if she didn't want that result and try to half-heartedly patch things up. Unless you get confirmation by checking out her phone/Facebook/etc that she's talking to other guys, you won't be able to confirm this.

I suspect both 1 and 2 are going on. The 2nd is due to her extreme leftist beliefs. Many of us have firsthand experience with SJW-like individuals and all is not right in their heads, though it seems giving her red pills as helped somewhat. Solving problem 1 will be a matter of telling her "it's my way or the highway". Tell her what you expect from her, including any apology you want. If she doesn't give that to you, then dump her, because that means she doesn't care about respecting you or your feelings, and if that's the case then the relationship is dying, not strengthening. (I would imply a break-up when laying your demands.. "I can't be with a girl who wishes death upon me." etc.)

For this situation, it could be asking for an apology on the specific words of wishing you'd die and for her to treat you with "respect" and like an "adult." You can also teach her the golden rule of not saying things to someone else that you don't want to be said to you.

I do agree with Dalaran that her outburst is serious, and a cause for breakup if not rectified. The reason is because this isn't a casual relationship centered around just sex--it's one that may lead to a family, and you can't have women wishing death upon you in that case and acting like is. The warning sign is blaring red, and Dalaran feels it. She needs to apologize for what she did AND understand why it's wrong. If not then it will happen again. The good news is that since there isn't a sign that she's cheating, things can be salvaged if she takes the steps you demand of her.

Post: #83

(03-16-2017 08:38 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  If you want a woman to abandon her stupid beliefs then you have to provide something else to replace them with. A man has to be the spiritual and intellectual leader of his tribe, not just the physical leader.

Exactly. My wife loves that The Bible commands her to honour God through submitting to me, her husband. She has adopted every one of my beliefs, way of life and politics. I lead, she follows, in everything, and there is no exception.

I like this our tribe vs other tribe thing too, and I have had a very similar conversation with my wife (then girlfriend).

Post: #84

I don't intend to hijack this thread, because Dalran's anecdote is a fantastic lesson, but I have a related situation with my girl that fits the theme of the thread:

She's not actively a SJW; she doesn't attend protests, she rejects degeneracy, and she's a feminine girl who appreciates masculinity. However, she passively accepts all SJW/feminist talking points as absolute truth, to the point where she sounds like a brainwashed schoolchild from some movie about an authoritarian dystopia whenever such topics come up. When I offer a logical rebuttal to the things she's been taught to believe, you can actually see her brain going haywire for a few seconds as she struggles to process this new information, and what eventually comes out of her mouth is often the most irrational gibberish you can fathom, with zero relevance to the point I made, and sometimes even a bit snarky and disrespectful.

Unlike Dalran's girl, she has never had a ridiculous outburst and she never stays upset with me for more than 30 seconds after we've had a disagreement. But it still bothers me that it's so impossible for us to have a reasonable discussion. Am I just describing every girl here? Are my expectations unrealistic? I'm curious to hear other guys' experiences with this stuff.

Post: #85

On phone, so short reply. If you want to make her really think about the crap she's spouting, tell her to pretend that you're an African tribesman from the Kalahari. Tell her to explain herself from scratch in a way any human being could understand and relate to.

Post: #86

(03-12-2017 08:43 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  It devolved fast and she started attacking me, about why I dont do my part to save the environment, like using an electric car or shit. "You are so selfish, when you eat meat you dont think about how these animals are mis-treated" Bitch if I want me some steak I could care less how a bull die.

The final straw came when she said something along the lines of "I hope you and others who are polluting the environment die with a choked lung".

At the end she said "I'll sleep at my place tonight",

Frankly women say things like that when they are emotional - they don't mean it or haven't thought things through.

If she had done this in public in front of friends or family, then this would be a major no-go.

But seems that she did it while you were alone.

Roosh is far stricter than I would be. You've got to discuss her behavior of course and come to some kind of agreement with her, also discuss the topics on multiple fronts - best research it as well.

But so long as she doesn't end up like this one, then it's salvagable:





This Youtuber thinks that all people who use any animal products should die.


I think that this publicly declared opinion cost her some 500.000 Youtube subscribers.

Post: #87

Holy molly pussy cracker ! Roosh himself takes time off to help me with my situation!

I knew that this forum is the most supportive bastion out there in a drowning sea of SJW, madness and uncertainty, but the support I got, from everyone, on the thread and in PM, just make my eyes moist…

I wont say thanks again cause its neither necessary nor sufficient. I hope my experience can help others on here as well as it helped me.

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Update (final)

This went faster than expected. I saw a student latino party event onWed, so I told her lets go dance.

While walking to the place, I casually drop “You are not doing anything Friday night, right?” She insisted why I asked, despite me brushing it off. So I figure now was as good as Friday anyway, we’re out on a quiet street just next to the Seine river under the lights of Notre Dame de Paris. If thing go wrong it would make for a damn fine poetic farewell, and then I can still hop to the party to dance it away.



(We were under that light on extreme right)

I laid it down as planned: “Bae I never have a problem with your beliefs. It’s a sign of maturity to be able to live with others despite differences in ideology. However, what you said to me were both mean and disrespectful”

Her: “I’m sorry I was so pissed at the time!”
Me: “Being pissed doesn’t give you the right to be mean and disrespectful, especially to me. Now, if you did mean what you said…”
Her: “I didn’t, I’m sorry”
Me: “Then know that we will never talk to each other like that again”
Her: “Ok, I know. I’m sorry I shouldn’t have said that. I’ll invite you next time to make amends”

And then we’re back to our usual cheerful mood, ready to go dancing.

Now here’s the cherry on top of the cake. We got to the bar, and I was like


Her: baby there’s only girls here, there are barely any guy!

I just nod, grin and drag her inside. Holy shit that was a literal pussy paradise, only young college girls, the ratio must be 5 girls for every guy it’s unbelievable. Fuck I miss my college days!

That must be some divine intervention from God, thanks to Roosh and every forum member praying for me. My girl insisted on sitting on my lap and mate guarding as fuck. Rest of the night was fun. Was encouraging to look around and see that my girl rank among the top 10-20th percentile of that night.

Overall:

Post: #88

(03-16-2017 09:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  1. She doesn't respect his authority. To test if this is the case, we'd need confirmation with other behavior. Has she been rolling her eyes at you lately? Has she been more flakey? Has she been more active on social media or with single friends? If she is losing respect for you, it's because the leash on her is too slack OR she doesn't want a leash at all. If it's the former, you have to tighten the leash by laying down the law and upholding it. If it's the latter, you won't be able to continue.

None of the above, quite the contrary. She is always on time and I often run 5-10 late. She's always the one pushing for meetup.

She is not very active on social media. She is even ok with me looking at her FB, but only when she is around so she can make sure I'm not looking at her hot sister (more on that later) She caught me once so she's been suspicious since

I think she doesn't have a problem following my lead. I'll explain more below

Quote:2. She has depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental disease. Does mental illness run in her family? Has she told you her mother/father/siblings are depressed? Because this problem can't easily be solved (medication has side effects), this will degrade her in your eyes as a potential mother.

Hard to say. She loves both her parents very much, but did mention that her dad have some mental problems.

She takes zero medication. Funny because it was the cause of this thread. She doesn't even take the pill, anything that has an ingredient she can not read.

Hell, I am her medication in most cases.

Quote:3. There's another man in her orbit and she wants out of the relationship. Even when a girl emotionally checks out of a relationship, she rather be dumped so that she can play the victim to her family and friends. And when you do dump her, she will act as if she didn't want that result and try to half-heartedly patch things up. Unless you get confirmation by checking out her phone/Facebook/etc that she's talking to other guys, you won't be able to confirm this.

I wont be the dumb fool and says no, after all the redpill I have seen. As I said however, she is not (yet) the type of manipulative girl who can pull complicate clandestine affair that could go under my high-tuned radar. That, and she lives with her mom and spends most of her free time with me.

I'm not trying to defend her, but I do have to say this:

When I pick this girl, I didn't compromise on anything. I put her through a tough screening process.

She is certainly not a SJW, at least in the general sense. She hates feminism and she believes in the biological polar division of men/women. I was discussing Jean-Jacques Rousseau with her the other day. She talked about how he said that women could never compete with men (duh) and how feminists attack him for that. She thinks they are dumb because men and women are not made to do the same thing

Her being a virgin was only the cherry on top of the cake. I was her first man and her first kiss. She is very feminine, she doesnt like dressing sexy naughty unless if its to go out with me to a fancy restaurant, and still she leans more toward the sexy-elegant side. She loves taking care of me and this was proven the several times I was sick.

Girl spent lots of her money on buying me stuff (and she doesnt earn much) and spent 3 months knitting me a scarf. Shit even Asian girls dont do that any more.

Best part: she has very few friends and the ones she has are rather tame. She did have a slutty friend but she ditched her after I told her I dont like that bitch.

She is very shy and very introverted. In school she met a few other slutty girls but she doesnt like them, even looking down at girls who are riding the carousel as foolish and too easy. So at least the external influence can be minimized somewhat.

When you think about it, her being environmentalist isn't that bad. She doesnt drink and doesnt smoke, so again chances of her doing fucked up stuff because of parties and shit are low. Her distrust of anything modern medicine rules out a lot of toxic shit they put in us. Any how, differences in ideology shouldn't even matter as Zel said, if my frame was correct.

She is far from perfect, and yes I might be able to find better girls out there, but that's dangerous argument.

Right now she checks all the boxes I need for the moment. I enjoy her company and I believe I can give her a good relationship experience, so why would I not?

I do need to be more watchful after this incident though, even if it was nothing but a simple outburst. I will walk away when and if she proves unworthy, but until then we still make a good couple.

Post: #89

Dal, I used to think of myself as a really picky motherfucker but you take it to entirely new levels lol. The girl you described sounds as close to wife material as it gets by my standards. For example the part about dropping her slutty friend for you is YUUGE, DO NOT underestimate it. I've seen so many friends eventually get fucked over by that shit. You've mentioned you don't consider marrying her even before this incident, I'm curious what's really holding you back?

How the hell did you land her in the first place? I think I speak for the entire community when I humbly ask to write a datasheet on your processes for pipelining and filtering. I'm sure you have this shit down to a science by now. In my experience, the type of introverted chick with these qualities who is not insanely religious - which is my ideal also - is really hard to come across. Your chances of meeting her in a random bar are close to none, cafe daygame works but it's one in a million odds, common hobbies are hit and miss, and as you said it yourself her social circle is really small.

What the hell is your secret, is this salsa shit really that effective? I know I can probably learn it fast since I used to be a dancer in my early teens, I just don't find it appealing. Not at all.

Anyway, take this as your friendly reminder that this girl is a gem. Objectively speaking, you'll be hard pressed to find such a specimen even in my neck of the woods, Eastern Europe, supposedly the last bastion of endangered unicorns on this godforsaken planet. I'm speaking from experience.

Post: #90

Ya I was going to say, shit you're in France and you found this Unicorn? Lock that shit down brother. Ring up and proceed to impregnate.

Post: #91

^ I forgot the flag beside his username. If you're still in France and got that unicorn there, impregnate her. Those girls are 1 in a million in this highly feminist society. Don't let this situation throw you off balance - with the extra info you added, I'd say with certanity that she's a keeper.

Post: #92

(03-17-2017 09:55 AM)crottstep Wrote:  Dal, I used to think of myself as a really picky motherfucker but you take it to entirely new levels lol. The girl you described sounds as close to wife material as it gets by my standards. For example the part about dropping her slutty friend for you is YUUGE, DO NOT underestimate it. I've seen so many friends eventually get fucked over by that shit. You've mentioned you don't consider marrying her even before this incident, I'm curious what's really holding you back?

How the hell did you land her in the first place? I think I speak for the entire community when I humbly ask to write a datasheet on your processes for pipelining and filtering. I'm sure you have this shit down to a science by now. In my experience, the type of introverted chick with these qualities who is not insanely religious - which is my ideal also - is really hard to come across. Your chances of meeting her in a random bar are close to none, cafe daygame works but it's one in a million odds, common hobbies are hit and miss, and as you said it yourself her social circle is really small.

What the hell is your secret, is this salsa shit really that effective? I know I can probably learn it fast since I used to be a dancer in my early teens, I just don't find it appealing. Not at all.

Anyway, take this as your friendly reminder that this girl is a gem. Objectively speaking, you'll be hard pressed to find such a specimen even in my neck of the woods, Eastern Europe, supposedly the last bastion of endangered unicorns on this godforsaken planet. I'm speaking from experience.

Damn man I was just about to think next step is Eastern Europe to find a wife That Chinese man with the Ukranian girl is an inspiration.

As to answer your question and everybody else asking: RVF high as fuck, at first half the brothers be like "next her", next moment "put it down and get the ring like today"

Its simple: she doesnt want children yet. And I think it's perfectly understandable. Maturity wise she is a child, I dont see her RIGHT NOW raising my kid. If she doesnt get corrupted she will make an excellent wife one day.

She loves kids and when her mom's cat ladies friends come to visit, she tell me how she pity them because living a life without children is horrible.

Plus, there's me. I totally can not see myself with children right now. Im 26, by some of you guys standard I'm still a kid and rightly so. I do have a job, a thinking mind, self-reliance and travel experience. But I dont see myself as a fully stable mature man yet.

I spent February with my big family in Canada (might even start a thread on that) helping my sister whos giving birth to my 3rd niece. After 3 weeks of taking care of my nieces, I soon realized there's no way I'm raising a kid right now. At least, not yet.

Also, I dont plan to stay in France forever. I'll get the citizenship then I'll uproot and go. There's much of the world to see and I plan to see more of it before I marry at around 35.

I also have to tell you the other side of the relationship. You have to be patience with girls like this because you really have to be the captain of the ship. You become a centralized part of her life. She will want to spend as much time with you as possible (which is fine by me), need lots of reassurance (natural for any young child) and quite a bit of shaping.

I'll expand on the dropping her slutty friend part: early on in the LTR she came talked to me, she said she just talked to her slutty friend and part of her find the carousel gross, part of her wonder if she is missing out.

I nip that shit right in the bud: "look at the guys she is banging and look at her. You want to bang guys like that and get treated like a sack of meat? And all that because this adopted girl has daddy issues. If you call that missing out do go out and ruin yourself, but you wont find men like me waiting for you" She thought about it and a few months later she said she is dropping contact with the slutty friend because that's not how she wants to associate with.

Basically I help her construct a superiority complex that makes her think all girls who ride the carousel are damaged goods and she should know better. She has since then view the world through this lense.

There's minor downsides, i.e she can not tolerate my buddies' girlfriends if we are out and about (my buddies do hang with slutty girls) and she shows it, so I gotta play daddy "oh she's just having a bad day, dont mind her"

I'm all cool with that but I know a lot of you guys with the next mentality cant stand putting in that amount of time and effort, that's perfectly fine.

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About how I find her: sorry I still cant share this yet, it would jinx me I'll drill out datasheet the day I get married and you boys come for the champagne

I'll just say this bit though: an 8 can live her life thinking she is a 5 if she is surrounded by 9. Ask WIA

I think there's the part that her dad is an Indian high caste noble. Her youth spent in India might have drilled into her some traditional values. Mixing noble Indian blood with French blood is probably the best thing her dad did in his life.

Post: #93

(03-17-2017 04:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 08:43 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  It devolved fast and she started attacking me, about why I dont do my part to save the environment, like using an electric car or shit. "You are so selfish, when you eat meat you dont think about how these animals are mis-treated" Bitch if I want me some steak I could care less how a bull die.

The final straw came when she said something along the lines of "I hope you and others who are polluting the environment die with a choked lung".

At the end she said "I'll sleep at my place tonight",

Frankly women say things like that when they are emotional - they don't mean it or haven't thought things through.

If she had done this in public in front of friends or family, then this would be a major no-go.

But seems that she did it while you were alone.

Roosh is far stricter than I would be. You've got to discuss her behavior of course and come to some kind of agreement with her, also discuss the topics on multiple fronts - best research it as well.

But so long as she doesn't end up like this one, then it's salvagable:





This Youtuber thinks that all people who use any animal products should die.


I think that this publicly declared opinion cost her some 500.000 Youtube subscribers.

The Aussie accent was all I needed to hear.

Those are some of the most brainwashed and ruined of all Western women.

Post: #94

You're never going to be ready for children, and she's never going to grow up. It's always a bad time.

I'm having my first one at 44 with my 23 year old wife. She wasn't ready either.

A good friend of mine (22) is having his first with his 27 year old live in gf. He wasn't ready, but decided to get it done.

You'll never be ready. You just might come to a decision one day that you should start.

Post: #95

Official gif for this thread.

Post: #96

< Sounds like a great girl.

Introverted shy girls are the best targets out there for future wife material - most easily met via Daygame on the streets, because they usually don't frequent clubs.

Good stuff - Dalaran.

Post: #97

(03-17-2017 11:32 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 09:55 AM)crottstep Wrote:  Dal, I used to think of myself as a really picky motherfucker but you take it to entirely new levels lol. The girl you described sounds as close to wife material as it gets by my standards. For example the part about dropping her slutty friend for you is YUUGE, DO NOT underestimate it. I've seen so many friends eventually get fucked over by that shit. You've mentioned you don't consider marrying her even before this incident, I'm curious what's really holding you back?

How the hell did you land her in the first place? I think I speak for the entire community when I humbly ask to write a datasheet on your processes for pipelining and filtering. I'm sure you have this shit down to a science by now. In my experience, the type of introverted chick with these qualities who is not insanely religious - which is my ideal also - is really hard to come across. Your chances of meeting her in a random bar are close to none, cafe daygame works but it's one in a million odds, common hobbies are hit and miss, and as you said it yourself her social circle is really small.

What the hell is your secret, is this salsa shit really that effective? I know I can probably learn it fast since I used to be a dancer in my early teens, I just don't find it appealing. Not at all.

Anyway, take this as your friendly reminder that this girl is a gem. Objectively speaking, you'll be hard pressed to find such a specimen even in my neck of the woods, Eastern Europe, supposedly the last bastion of endangered unicorns on this godforsaken planet. I'm speaking from experience.

Damn man I was just about to think next step is Eastern Europe to find a wife That Chinese man with the Ukranian girl is an inspiration.

As to answer your question and everybody else asking: RVF high as fuck, at first half the brothers be like "next her", next moment "put it down and get the ring like today"

Its simple: she doesnt want children yet. And I think it's perfectly understandable. Maturity wise she is a child, I dont see her RIGHT NOW raising my kid. If she doesnt get corrupted she will make an excellent wife one day.

She loves kids and when her mom's cat ladies friends come to visit, she tell me how she pity them because living a life without children is horrible.

Plus, there's me. I totally can not see myself with children right now. Im 26, by some of you guys standard I'm still a kid and rightly so. I do have a job, a thinking mind, self-reliance and travel experience. But I dont see myself as a fully stable mature man yet.

I spent February with my big family in Canada (might even start a thread on that) helping my sister whos giving birth to my 3rd niece. After 3 weeks of taking care of my nieces, I soon realized there's no way I'm raising a kid right now. At least, not yet.

Also, I dont plan to stay in France forever. I'll get the citizenship then I'll uproot and go. There's much of the world to see and I plan to see more of it before I marry at around 35.

I also have to tell you the other side of the relationship. You have to be patience with girls like this because you really have to be the captain of the ship. You become a centralized part of her life. She will want to spend as much time with you as possible (which is fine by me), need lots of reassurance (natural for any young child) and quite a bit of shaping.

I'll expand on the dropping her slutty friend part: early on in the LTR she came talked to me, she said she just talked to her slutty friend and part of her find the carousel gross, part of her wonder if she is missing out.

I nip that shit right in the bud: "look at the guys she is banging and look at her. You want to bang guys like that and get treated like a sack of meat? And all that because this adopted girl has daddy issues. If you call that missing out do go out and ruin yourself, but you wont find men like me waiting for you" She thought about it and a few months later she said she is dropping contact with the slutty friend because that's not how she wants to associate with.

Basically I help her construct a superiority complex that makes her think all girls who ride the carousel are damaged goods and she should know better. She has since then view the world through this lense.

There's minor downsides, i.e she can not tolerate my buddies' girlfriends if we are out and about (my buddies do hang with slutty girls) and she shows it, so I gotta play daddy "oh she's just having a bad day, dont mind her"

I'm all cool with that but I know a lot of you guys with the next mentality cant stand putting in that amount of time and effort, that's perfectly fine.

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About how I find her: sorry I still cant share this yet, it would jinx me I'll drill out datasheet the day I get married and you boys come for the champagne

I'll just say this bit though: an 8 can live her life thinking she is a 5 if she is surrounded by 9. Ask WIA

I think there's the part that her dad is an Indian high caste noble. Her youth spent in India might have drilled into her some traditional values. Mixing noble Indian blood with French blood is probably the best thing her dad did in his life.

Sounds like a keeper, environmentalists tend to have complexes for social justice and fairness overall(unholy trinity of green politics, feminism and multiculturalism). It seems she's pretty red pilled so is an exception. Of those three things green politics is the least horrible. She may even be a unicorn, especially if she is uncomfortable in the presence of your friends slutty female friends.

Maybe its even good she's a bit of a greeny. Here in Serbia where 99.99999999999% of all people smoke,I really miss girls who are non smokers. Similar in other parts of Eastern Europe. The pollution also bothers me here as well.

Post: #98

(03-18-2017 08:38 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 11:32 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-17-2017 09:55 AM)crottstep Wrote:  Dal, I used to think of myself as a really picky motherfucker but you take it to entirely new levels lol. The girl you described sounds as close to wife material as it gets by my standards. For example the part about dropping her slutty friend for you is YUUGE, DO NOT underestimate it. I've seen so many friends eventually get fucked over by that shit. You've mentioned you don't consider marrying her even before this incident, I'm curious what's really holding you back?

How the hell did you land her in the first place? I think I speak for the entire community when I humbly ask to write a datasheet on your processes for pipelining and filtering. I'm sure you have this shit down to a science by now. In my experience, the type of introverted chick with these qualities who is not insanely religious - which is my ideal also - is really hard to come across. Your chances of meeting her in a random bar are close to none, cafe daygame works but it's one in a million odds, common hobbies are hit and miss, and as you said it yourself her social circle is really small.

What the hell is your secret, is this salsa shit really that effective? I know I can probably learn it fast since I used to be a dancer in my early teens, I just don't find it appealing. Not at all.

Anyway, take this as your friendly reminder that this girl is a gem. Objectively speaking, you'll be hard pressed to find such a specimen even in my neck of the woods, Eastern Europe, supposedly the last bastion of endangered unicorns on this godforsaken planet. I'm speaking from experience.

Damn man I was just about to think next step is Eastern Europe to find a wife That Chinese man with the Ukranian girl is an inspiration.

As to answer your question and everybody else asking: RVF high as fuck, at first half the brothers be like "next her", next moment "put it down and get the ring like today"

Its simple: she doesnt want children yet. And I think it's perfectly understandable. Maturity wise she is a child, I dont see her RIGHT NOW raising my kid. If she doesnt get corrupted she will make an excellent wife one day.

She loves kids and when her mom's cat ladies friends come to visit, she tell me how she pity them because living a life without children is horrible.

Plus, there's me. I totally can not see myself with children right now. Im 26, by some of you guys standard I'm still a kid and rightly so. I do have a job, a thinking mind, self-reliance and travel experience. But I dont see myself as a fully stable mature man yet.

I spent February with my big family in Canada (might even start a thread on that) helping my sister whos giving birth to my 3rd niece. After 3 weeks of taking care of my nieces, I soon realized there's no way I'm raising a kid right now. At least, not yet.

Also, I dont plan to stay in France forever. I'll get the citizenship then I'll uproot and go. There's much of the world to see and I plan to see more of it before I marry at around 35.

I also have to tell you the other side of the relationship. You have to be patience with girls like this because you really have to be the captain of the ship. You become a centralized part of her life. She will want to spend as much time with you as possible (which is fine by me), need lots of reassurance (natural for any young child) and quite a bit of shaping.

I'll expand on the dropping her slutty friend part: early on in the LTR she came talked to me, she said she just talked to her slutty friend and part of her find the carousel gross, part of her wonder if she is missing out.

I nip that shit right in the bud: "look at the guys she is banging and look at her. You want to bang guys like that and get treated like a sack of meat? And all that because this adopted girl has daddy issues. If you call that missing out do go out and ruin yourself, but you wont find men like me waiting for you" She thought about it and a few months later she said she is dropping contact with the slutty friend because that's not how she wants to associate with.

Basically I help her construct a superiority complex that makes her think all girls who ride the carousel are damaged goods and she should know better. She has since then view the world through this lense.

There's minor downsides, i.e she can not tolerate my buddies' girlfriends if we are out and about (my buddies do hang with slutty girls) and she shows it, so I gotta play daddy "oh she's just having a bad day, dont mind her"

I'm all cool with that but I know a lot of you guys with the next mentality cant stand putting in that amount of time and effort, that's perfectly fine.

================

About how I find her: sorry I still cant share this yet, it would jinx me I'll drill out datasheet the day I get married and you boys come for the champagne

I'll just say this bit though: an 8 can live her life thinking she is a 5 if she is surrounded by 9. Ask WIA

I think there's the part that her dad is an Indian high caste noble. Her youth spent in India might have drilled into her some traditional values. Mixing noble Indian blood with French blood is probably the best thing her dad did in his life.

Sounds like a keeper, environmentalists tend to have complexes for social justice and fairness overall(unholy trinity of green politics, feminism and multiculturalism). It seems she's pretty red pilled so is an exception. Of those three things green politics is the least horrible. She may even be a unicorn, especially if she is uncomfortable in the presence of your friends slutty female friends.

Maybe its even good she's a bit of a greeny. Here in Serbia where 99.99999999999% of all people smoke,I really miss girls who are non smokers. Similar in other parts of Eastern Europe. The pollution also bothers me here as well.

Of possible interest to you Dal

https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2016/0...kly-links/

Post: #99

Re-reading this thread again gives me lots of great insights and a sense of clarity.

Thinking back, this is not the first time she did something like this. Except that the first time, I was in the wrong.

I can be a bit messy from time to time. A year ago when our LTR was still young, I just started my career and I was often exhausted. Last thing on my mind was cleaning the damn room.

Most of the time when she comes over, she happily helped me clean. One day, however, she was in a bad mood. She came to the room, saw the mess and had a breakdown: “I can’t stand this anymore, every time I come here this place is a slaughterhouse, I don’t want to come here anymore!” Then she stormed off into one corner.

I held the same frame then as I do now, so I told her sternly: “then leave” then I went downstair to get a coffee. Textbook freeze out.

She then came down, apologized and we clean the room together. Been 2 years and she still helps clean without asking, though I’m a lot less messy now.

This is why LTR even with a good girl might not be a good choice for guys who really value their independence and sometimes their ego.

Nevertheless, it raised a good question for many here: how would you react in a similar situation, when the girl loses it because you actually did fuck up?

It was without question that I should have kept a clean room. Shit that's the requirement to get bangs in the first place, at least with the kind of girls I like.

When I was single, before going out I do a ritual sweep of the room and the place looks 4 star. That period however I was still transiting from student to desk job so I was messy. She deserved to have a clean room to come to, she had a right to get mad. (well technically she didn't, but she was 19 at the time so I guess she is allowed to get mad)

Would you have apologized and started cleaning the room in front of her? I knew I would never have. Then again I guess I’m lucky.

Situations like this are also great in-depth screening for LTR material.

Post: #100

Great thread.

Soft nexts are a simple and effective concept but they aren't always easy to execute. Girls can be clever and suck you into their drama without you realizing it. Dalaran1991 did a very good job in the beginning by keeping his cool and letting her walk away. In my opinion, that is where he really won this interaction.

Soft nexts aren't as easy to execute in real life as it is to talk about them on the Internet. One thing this thread made me realize is that all you have to execute in the beginning is taking away your attention. You don't have to decide if you will soft next her or break up with her. You don't have to decide if you will soft next her for a few days or a week or longer. All you have to do is take away the attention and you can make those other decisions after a couple days have gone by and you can think more clearly without any emotion.