Post: #26

Why is everyone forgetting she "knew" this dude from Tinder ?

Did we all forget that Tinder is a banging dating app ? Dudes will sneak in any way they can to get the bang - I was one of those dudes who was an emotional tampon in high school and became BFF's with these girls and wanted to fuck every single one of them.

If she was honorable she wouldn't even be bringing this shit up. She wouldn't be even talking to some guy if she was devoted to you - hence talking about long distance.

Long distant LTR's NEVER work out in the long run, I've had 2 of these relationships, all ended bad.


You can't kid yourself claiming to be devoted to eachother, that far away. Sure the emotion may be there, but the physical is important as well.


Your answer should be simple, "No"

If she doesn't respect your wishes and acts out on you, next her.

If she complies, it's always going to be in the back of your head, it's poison seeping into your thought process, "did she really agree" "is she meeting him in secret" "what if they already fucked before and she's lying"

Your best bet is to say no, and keep things casual, you're getting sucked into your emotional vortex, you've gotta jump out of it.

Always explore your options and have other girls - especially if she's long distance.


She's shopping around under the guise of "he's just a friend:

Remember the creed:

Post: #27

It's Thailand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a chick allowing you to have side pussy isn't special in Thailand. Fuck, even in China a lot of middle-class to upper middle-class guys have side chicks. Don't let the "omg she lets me have a sidepiece" bit get inside your head, Captain Gh. That isn't anything special in asia.

Post: #28

This question is actually more complicated than it sounds.

I'm not of the "next her" camp, as if it's the go to answer for every damn question on this forum.

Here's the difficulty : you are in a ltr, so ideally you need a ltr solution, but this situation required a player solution (other posters have suggested). When you are in a ltr and you have to resort to player solution to get your way something is wrong.

The biggest red flag I see here: she implies that she can not talk about everything with you, so much that she has to seek an alternative source for that kind of attention.

In my mind, that makes a weak ltr.

Ideally you should be the only guy with whom she can talk about everything. It doesn't mean you are her emotional tampon fuck no, but you should be the sole holder of that position, whether or not you are available to listen to her is another topic.

This is the classic way where beta guys get some, by exploiting the girl whose uncaring boyfriend isn't emotionally available. Problem here is, you actually do care.

If you wanted to assume this role, you gotta ride this to the end. She go meet someone, you also go meet someone, everyone is happy. Except it's not. You are then left with some f up ltr.

I would take this as a sign the ltr is crumbling, and tell her in a calm way : you can go meet him, but then it's over between us. I can't afford to be with someone who needs another guy to be fulfilled.

Bonne chance brother,

Post: #29

Is he coming to Thailand specifically to meet her? What would your intentions be travelling x hours or adjusting travel plans (and in this case, a flight?) for a girl? Way too sketchy..

If she pursues meeting with him, I would next her, this is no girlfriend/wife material. Even if she doesn't, I think you should stop treating/rethink this as a serious relationship, too big of a red flag/bad behaviour.

Post: #30

This relationships smells a lot like the mistakes I have made in past relationships since reading a significant amount about game and actively pursuing lots of girls.

The fundamental issue: Forcing a relationship on superficialities.

I am aware of the problem yet I still make it.

A better description of a problem:

I have a good idea of what an idea long term relationship worthy woman would be like in my head. The qualities, demeanor, you name it. I meet a girl with those qualities. I game and bang her.
Yet, something still isn't quite right.

She seems to communicate better with other people. Her smiles are more reserved with me. I don't notice at first, because she still smiles and seems happy. But, when I catch her in other environments, she is much warmer to other people.

Something is wrong with the chemistry here. As Dalaran has pointed out, she wouldn't be seeking this other penis life support system if there wasn't something missing from your relationship with her.

You want this to work out. You know she has the qualities that you want out of a long term relationship.

Yet, there's this thing that keeps nagging at you. You have to extend yourself a little further than you think should be necessary to keep the relationship out of trouble. Mate guarding and telling her to avoid cocksmiths from TINDER because she just for some reason keeps getting drawn to them.

You can do what the other guys are saying, and bring up other girls casually and attempt to ride jealousy and get her scared, but you're just prolonging the problem.

Superficially, she's what you want. Profoundly, it doesn't seem to be working out.

The longest relationships I've had were girls that basically worshipped me and wouldn't do this kind of shit. We had very good rapport. And two of them worshipped my cock like it was the only cock in their life. They kept themselves out of these kinds of situations. If old male friends met up with them they would bring me along because they didn't want to be alone with them. I didn't even need to prompt it.

This girl isn't proactively doing it. You're trying to keep the grains of sand from slipping between your fingers.

It ain't worth it in the long run.

If you keep this up it's going to be more severe and you'll have to eat more shit on the next issue, even if you successfully dodge this one. Maybe you can recover it, I don't know. You'd have to have a big state of the union deal and somehow hit a new level. Good luck with that.

Next time it's going to be bumping into some guy she used to bang. Or some guy at a club kissed her and she liked the thrill because it was so naughty. She didn't sleep with him but she didn't take herself out of the situation.

Check your premises. Something is up here.

Post: #31

I've also been in a long distance relationship, back when I was blue pill. Fail.

Shoot, even the blue pill show "How I Met Your Mother" said long distance relationships don't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupcake_(H...ur_Mother)

Post: #32

Vincent has still not answered a very relevant question:

Is this chick the same one he wrote about a few months ago here:

/thread-59451.html

Because I think there is a 99% chance it is, based on the similarities between this post and the previous one, since he kicked her out of his place (but apparently decided to keep seeing her) and since the odds of finding another girl within just 2 months that he was already this serious about is pretty low.

If it is the same girl, why are we wasting our collective time discussing her, as the entire forum pretty much agreed she isn't shit.

If not, please confirm this is a NEW girl, and offer us more detail about her.

Post: #33

@Resolute - It's the same girl.

Sorry for the disconnect.

What had happened after that last thread was that I wound up breaking up with her and started moving on with my life.

Even started realizing all of the cool shit I could do now that I wouldn't be planning a family.

Then a few days later she called me, unkempt and bedraggled, saying she can't eat she can't sleep she'll do anything as long as we can stay together and she's committed to being a better girl etc etc.

I was skeptical but said OK fuck it because in my mind I'd already moved on and told her as much.

We could still hang out sometimes but the "serious" part of our relationship was over.

A month later she flew in to visit me and we had an amazing few days together with ZERO fights and zero drama of any kind.

A lot of the behavior that I told her isn't acceptable to me, she stopped doing.

That amazed me because she'd never done that before until the threat of losing me became tangible.

The self control she was showing and the change in her behavior impressed me and made me feel that she loves me enough that she's willing to go out of her way to change bad habits to please me.

Which I imagine must be important for a long term relationship that thrives over time: evolution.

I wondered whether it was an act but the good behavior continued as we kept in touch and video chatted most days mostly manifested in her respect for my time and emotional bandwidth.

In fact, up until the goings on of today, I was telling my business partner (and friend, who knows her pretty well) how diligently she's been applying herself to changing the behaviors that cause me grief and make me not want to be with her.

#####

Fast forward to today's thread.

I read everybody's replies (thank you gents, you are legends as always) and while I have no problems NEXTing her and I'm not hung up, I do see progress in this relationship and I see her putting in work.

A good friend of mine is married and has kids with a Thai.

His wife is a rockstar: she handles all of the family stuff with total calm and poise.

When I expressed my admiration my friend told me that she in no way resembled the woman I'm seeing now; he had to train her for years.

Let's not forget there is a cultural divide to negotiate here.

Back to my chick:

I do care about her tremendously but I WILL drop her in a heartbeat, as I would any girl, if enough is enough.

Regarding her latest transgression, I had a little chat with her and this was the convo:

ME:

so here's the thing
you can meet with Johnny and do whatever you want to do
or
you can be in a relationship with me
you can choose which one you want more
it's not normal for a woman who is in a serious relationship to go meet a strange man ALONE, who she met on Tinder
that's unacceptable to me
that's all I have to say about it

HER:

Vincent you know that I love you and I will never do anything to lose you.
So okay I wont meet Johnny anymore.
But this a little bit disappoint me.
I told you about this because I think you will understand me.
Do you think I'm going to meet him alone in his room?
No I just want to meet him in a restaurant ant talk.
And for me Tinder is not sooo bad.
It made me know 3 nice guys.
1 is friend who always warm and kind and always take care of me even he is far away and I almost not answer him.
And even I met him few times I never let him hold my hand or kiss me and last 2time he met me with my friends and we all are good friend now.
2 is friend who get so much a long with me and the last one is you who I really love and want to be with until I dieeee.
And last thing I dont have sex with any guy I meet.*

*Except for me, presumably.

#####

I'll spare you the entire convo but I essentially expressed much of what you guys have already said in this thread.

She cried a bunch, apologized profusely and said she'll never do something like that again.

So there's that.

The whole situation is more of a nuisance than anything else because I'm not in the position to take this relationship to the next level (kids, family) and I welcome the additional runway to see how she'll shape up (and myself for that matter).

Post: #34

(02-01-2017 09:53 PM)eradicator Wrote:  You live 400 miles from this girl and are having a long distance relationship with her of sorts.

My suggestion is that you start gaming other girls. You can still meet this girl and bang her but at least now you know she is meeting up with other men, and most likely banging some of them.

There is nothing else to say, you aren't there, it is not your territory. Next.

Post: #35

Kaotic and Dalaran killed it.

Yeah, "Next" is the standard reply at RVF. It's not always employed correctly, but there's a reason it's so common:

In most cases, anything else is just. Not. Worth. It. Emotions trump logic so men often concede, but when you look at it from a distance it's obvious.

VV's case:

Your words say one thing, your actions say another.

Putting both of your last threads together:

The relationship is hard. Okay, agreed, there's always some give and take and it's not always rainbows and butterflies.

You met her on Tinder. "Meet her online, lose her online" - the profecy is about to come true.

You live far away. No need to elaborate here, chances of this working are LOW.

You already broke up with her before. Jariel's rule.

Quote:If a chick left you or you left her, there was a reason for it.

Regardless of which side of the table you're on, there is probably some of level of blame that can be shared as to how you got there.

With that being said, all that matters is that you got there.

And the only rule is, you can't go back.

You took her back. Keep in mind, things will never be the same, because deep down you both know that if you broke up once, you will most likely break up again. She can say she wants to be with you "until the day she dieeees" or whatever, but the fairy tales women have in their heads dissolve when you break up with them. This girl may be addicted to you, that's why she keeps coming back. But deep down you both know you won't be together forever.

You are trying to rationalize your girls behavior by comparing her with another woman who had to be trained. Maybe your friend has a point, but the way you put it is straight up rationalizing and justifying her bad behavior.

She already planted a seed a of distrust in your mind. There's minor things LTRs do that are hints of where their head is at. This girl is thinking of other guys and testing how far you're willing to let her go. She doesn't want to lose you, but she's thinking of other guys... she's buddies with dudes she met on Tinder... yikes.

Now, maybe some people advocate for not nexting her. Downgrade her, keep using her to your benefit. In some cases I could see that working.

But take a step back and read all of it again. You are inebriated with her. Regardless of what you say your actions show this girl has her hooks on you.

You are asking what to do, so we have to be honest.

Cut her off and don't look back. It sucks but anything else will just drag you down - it's only a matter of when.

Maybe it's not what you want to hear, but that's up to you.

With all due respect God knows what thread will be next if you do stay together.

Post: #36

If we look a little deeper there were some fundamental game principles at work here that seem to have been missed.

Sounds to me like she was likely/possibly running a little "girl dread game" on you VV. Trying to see if you'd commit or return, etc with the spectre of another dude...why else even tell you if its so "innocent"?

And it was working (hence the thread) until you called her bluff and fired back a bit of "dread" of your own.

Post: #37

The terms "Serious relationship" and "Long distance" do not combine with each other. It's just something that does not get into my mind and I do not understand how many guys combine them.

My advice to Vincent is just to be superior to the whole situation, and analyze things for what they are. On one side there is a girl who lives far away (because one hour flight with airport controls and commutes is always no less than 3 hours far), who met a guy on tinder, who is used to online dating, who texts the guy for one year, and that now wants to meet the guy in person. On the other side we have a guy who dedicates countless hours for one year writing to a girl somewhere on the other side of the world, who gives her a warm shoulder, and now he is going to visit her...I mean, what kind of a looser is he? and her btw?

Be higher, be above, just get over it, let them meet. And stop traveling to her city for the sole purpose of meeting her.

Post: #38

Women will always pretend things are entirely innocent.

The man she's meeting from online, or the guy she's letting do tons of shit for her?

He just wants to be "friends".

Stop being so cynical, right?

Any woman who suggests a man in these two particular categories just wants to be "friends" is using a kind of plausible deniability and intellectual dishonesty.

I would not be in a relationship with this girl.

I suspect you love her or are in a serious state of oneitis.

There is no self respecting man who'd put up with this.

Post: #39

I think you've already gotten some solid advice in this thread, but if I were in your situation there is no way this would be acceptable to me. Perhaps my response would be something along the lines of "....sure, I'm not going to tell you what you can and what you can't do, your a big girl, but realize I find it incredibly disrespectful and the way I deal with disrespectful people is to remove them from my life"

Post: #40

I think the problem is that she seems keen to meet him.

Also the comment about she can talk to him about everything, can't she do that with you?

You are caught in a rock in a hard place.

If you know when the guy is coming, I would make sure I was in town.

Post: #41

By the way...which one of you Tinder Trollers on here has been playing sleeper cell game for a year trying to swoop in on VV's girl?

Post: #42

Yeah, I called it.

The issue is not this guy, Tinder, or any of the shit you mentioned in this thread.

It's the girl, plain and simple.

She's not yours. She will never be yours. Others wiser than myself have mentioned in detail why that is in the previous thread.

You failed to mention in your post this girl was the same as the last epic 7 page thread. I'm sure this was intentional, as you're a wise enough man to recognize this is relevant to the situation. You didn't want to admit to yourself that the GIRL is the problem (as the overwhelming consensus of the forum agreed upon 2 months ago). Instead, because you are VERY EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED (you can say you'll drop her whenever, but deep down, you know it's bullshit and so do I) you don't want to believe it.

Vincent, I could convince you I was a Molecular Theologist for a 3 day period of time if I really wanted to, and i just made that term up. I don't even know if it exists.

My point is, it's not hard to fake a desired behavior for a few days, but your underlying personality/character will ALWAYS come through in the long run.

That's why you should never engage in any long-term commitments such as marriage or ESPECIALLY children with a woman you've dated less than 2 years, MINIMUM.

This girl is not special. She wasn't special 2 months ago, and she's not special today. She manipulated you, and she's playing you for a fool. Drop her. You can tell us how emotionally detached you are to this girl, but your actions SCREAM so loudly I cannot hear your words my friend.

You've wasted 2 months more of your time and who knows what kind of emotional roller coaster on a girl who isn't anything special. You're in Thailand. I PROMISE you'll find a better girl who gives you half the shit within a year if you even half-ass look.

Just trust the advice of your peers on this one man. Stop wasting your time. You deserve better.

Post: #43

I disagree with the knee-jerk-reaction insta-nexting that some many guys seem to subscribe to. It reminds me of WIA's saying "too much red pill not enough game" and it this insta-nexting isn't going to happen in real life as much as guys talk about it on here. Almost nobody is going to next 7s and above for things like wanting to meet a guy as a friend and asking her boyfriend for permission to meet the guy.

In this case I think the girl might need to be downgraded or nexted because she is a long distance relationship and VincentVinturi has had problems with her before. However, it isn't realistic to next a girl because she asks you if she can meet a guy as a friend when your relationship allows you to bang other girls.

I think this could have been a test. It could have been a shit test to see if VV would say no. It also could have been a test to see if VV cared about her enough to not want her to see other guys. I know some guys will disagree with this but don't forget that this girl was living with him recently and now has been downgraded to long-distance relationship. Girls do and say all sorts of irrational things to figure out where they stand with you.

(02-01-2017 10:30 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  I do meet up with other chicks and she knows about it although I never rub it in her face or even bring it up, but women know.

VincentVinturi - Can you tell us more about this? Have you had a conversation with her about it or is it something that is implied? Do you have explicit permission to bang other girls but she is not allowed to see other guys?

Post: #44

@birthday cat

It's implied.

And it's got nothing to do with permission because I don't ask for any.

She is NOT allowed to see other guys.

She knows explicitly that any kind of romantic dalliance on her part would immediately destroy our relationship.

The meeting as friends thing is a veiled version of that which is why it made me so uneasy and why I sought out the forum's counsel.

Post: #45

My advice: Trust that people are who they show themselves to be. People RARELY change. Women never do.

That's just been my experience.

Post: #46

A lot of replies, and they are as good as each other, but you should make this even simpler: just say no.

If you do the above, and she decides to ignore your wish and go anyway, then she doesn't give a shit about you, and should be dropped. Put this the other way: would you use Tinder (the #1 app to get laid), travel hours to go meet a girl, and not try any game on her, and let it be purely platonic? This guy won't. He'll game her, and if he doesn't fuck up, he'll get in her pants. She'll then come to you crying, because "he made her feel special".

He is traveling to the #1 easiest country to get laid, with the #1 app for getting laid, alone with your girl. It's just common sense that they'll bang. Just the fact that she dared to think about going should be grounds to let her go, but don't let her come back. You're the man, and she needs to know that.

Post: #47

(02-02-2017 12:13 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  @birthday cat

It's implied.

And it's got nothing to do with permission because I don't ask for any.

She is NOT allowed to see other guys.

She knows explicitly that any kind of romantic dalliance on her part would immediately destroy our relationship.

The meeting as friends thing is a veiled version of that which is why it made me so uneasy and why I sought out the forum's counsel.

Quoting Apocalypse Now!:

Terminate with extreme prejudice. (Colonel Lucas)

Next her.

Agreeing with birthday cat second paragraph, also the most important reasoning behind my words is no other than the long distance.

If you are not around how do you know she wont meet other guys? Even when a guy is around he is not free that it happens, imagine a guy far away. And when you say she knows or its implied that you meet other girls, you think that if she has a slight temptation to cheat...she wont cheat? Of course she will, on her mind she will think that she is no different than you and is also allowed to fuck around, more so if you are not around.

It is already hard to keep an LTR when you live next to her, with the current status is much harder.

Long distance girls are to bang, or you can only consider a "serious relationship" if you already planned and are on the process of moving to her city or her moving to yours. Otherwise you just have to accept with sportmanship that she bangs other dudes. And to me it seems that she sees things this way relative to you, which is a more mature way of seeing things than the one you are currently applying.

Post: #48

Next is right. Next works. It clarifies, cuts through, and expresses the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Next - for want of a better word - is good.

Post: #49

Vincent, I've been where you are in the sense of having let go of a girl but then having her come back on 100% best behavior to open you up to her again.

My sense is she hates that you are so confident that you can a) let her go when her behaviors don't meet your expectations and b) you can implicitly see other women but she can't see other guys. I'm not going to pretend I know her psychology, but I'd bet she considers herself a smart girl - obviously conversations 'about everything' is important to her and the question that's been repeatedly asked is 'are you not providing that for her?' The smart girls are the closet feminists or have leaning about 'men and women should be equal' in some fashion. Or the inequity she perceives shouldn't be as dramatic.

'What's wrong with me wanting a beta orbiter guy friend who wants to come see me?'

'What's wrong with meeting guys who I knew from Tinder? That's how I found you, right?'

She is power tripping, finding the right moves and plays to both pull you in to get *your* compliance back (through 3 days of ms. perfect act when you dread/next-ed her) and also pushing you away testing you with behaviors / requests that you have already set an expectation about. Friendly meeting with guys is BULLSHIT and we all know it. Anything a woman in love needs, she will get from her man. She will actively push other guys away and make it clear she wants you and you alone, as others have said and I have experienced (and am experiencing).

I used to be a very 'good guy' and allowed far too much permissiveness - 'oh, you want to hang out with an ex boyfriend, or a guy you've known for ages? sure, no problem - have fun!' But my gut said it was wrong and I could feel the relationship suffer for my weakness. I hadn't created enough value, wasn't special enough in her mind and heart that she didn't see anyone else as really a viable option. Those relationships sucked and finally after probably 4 years of that shit with various women, I learned the power of IDGAF and abundance mentality and most importantly - having that frame and demonstrating it's not just an intellectual exercise.

No 7, 8, 9, whatever is worth that stress.

The dating world is very different today than in the 00s. The opportunity for temptation is 24/7/365 for a woman to push outside the expectations you've set. To a degree, I think all this dopamine surging from IM tones, seeing a new text, a new email, having a call 'with a friend' create neural pathways that affirm a mental/emotional feedback loop...

female mind Wrote:'having lots of guy friends is good! I won't ever be alone! And hey, maybe I can make VV want me more, get him to care more. I mean, I do care about him - a lot, I think - but I don't really like knowing he's able to fuck other girls and I can't even have a guy friend I just meet for coffee and talk. I mean, that's not fair. All these guys want to spend time with me, are so nice to me. Why isn't VV doing the same? I bet... I bet I can make him care more. And in the long run, it will be better for our relationship. After all, maybe if we did stay together, would he still be having girlfriends if we got married and had kids? He can do that now, but down the road no way, that's not something I'd want. I'd be embarrassed then! But I can't force him, so I will just .. try this thing... then try that thing. I know it'll work. He won't REALLY go away.. because I got him back last time!'

As was said, effectively 'live by the sword, die by the sword.' This is why I'm giving up on online stuff and focusing on in person. It also makes screening for LTR qualities a lot easier. With online access to guys, a girl can be even more lazy than usual - just have a couple cute pics and get insane attention, no need to get cleaned up, dress nicely, go outside and be pleasant. If she's online attention whoring, even in the past, she's got reward mechanisms set up and like having a hit from a favorite drug, those cravings don't go away.

You're part of her drug rush, highs and lows included. It might not qualify as a 'toxic relationship' but by getting roped back in and her trying to set the frame through whatever hamster logic she's spinning, she is testing for how much power she has while professing her undieeeeeeing love for you. I care about you, man. I know you can see all this. This shit gets into our heads, especially once we've made a decision to end it and a girl finds the right buttons to push to rope us back in. You're not a bad guy for ending it, you're protecting yourself from a manipulative chameleon who can turn on the dazzling charm when she wants then play the 'he's just a friend' game. I wonder if she has some borderline or at least narcissistic personality disorder and you're intuitively picking up on that. How much time have you already devoted to this girl and how much anguish have you put yourself through?

Take care of YOURself, Vincent. You did the right thing before, you will do it again - and know even more clearly WHY you're doing it. So, for another girl you meet if you see this pattern show up you'll either demand she correct it or you're out. This is why the gut-level NEXT makes sense and being in the frame of willingness to walk the fuck away when a pattern of bad behavior shows up that game won't fix. The implementation of abundance mentality, but more importantly the need to be at peace with oneself.

Post: #50

(02-02-2017 11:51 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  I disagree with the knee-jerk-reaction insta-nexting that some many guys seem to subscribe to. It reminds me of WIA's saying "too much red pill not enough game" and it this insta-nexting isn't going to happen in real life as much as guys talk about it on here. Almost nobody is going to next 7s and above for things like wanting to meet a guy as a friend and asking her boyfriend for permission to meet the guy.

I've had plenty of scenarios where a girl was a cool, but some of her actions were off putting and I nexted her without hesitation. It's possible to have enough game and experience to call things how you see it.

Show me a 7 and I'll show you a guy who dumped her and was sick of her shit, this is pure pussy worshiping.

Just the other day a girl got upset at me via text because I got confused about her trip, and she thought it meant I was texting another girl and got mad and said "bye", this girl has a BANGING body, whatever face, she was pretty cool too, possible mini LTR material, I basically her told her she's throwing away something over an assumption and it's ending because of her.

She gave me some weak ass response and you know what I did ? Deleted her messages and number.

It wouldn't of gotten better, she wanted more of my time and attention, and this bitch lives only 30-45 minutes away.

Quote:In this case I think the girl might need to be downgraded or nexted because she is a long distance relationship and VincentVinturi has had problems with her before. However, it isn't realistic to next a girl because she asks you if she can meet a guy as a friend when your relationship allows you to bang other girls.

Exactly, a few mentioned it here, she should be downgraded, but VV has other girls as well, so why bother wasting your time and leading another girl on who has now proven she probably isn't LTR material and she's an hour flight away - which sounds like 500-600 miles away.

Quote:I think this could have been a test. It could have been a shit test to see if VV would say no. It also could have been a test to see if VV cared about her enough to not want her to see other guys. I know some guys will disagree with this but don't forget that this girl was living with him recently and now has been downgraded to long-distance relationship. Girls do and say all sorts of irrational things to figure out where they stand with you.

This is interesting, and it's probably partially true.

-Shit Test
-Dread Game (Papaya)
-Truth

It sounds like it's probably a mix of both and in all reality she probably did want to meet with that guy, afterall, she's met other dudes off there.


If you can't be with your main a few times a week, it probably won't work out, I've tried almost everyday with a girl years ago, fuck that. I've also tried once a week, fuck that. It's somewhere in the middle if you want a solid relationship.