Post: #1

Have you ever approached a girl who was in at least a 5+ person group and banged her? I don't mean approaching her when she is away from the group. I mean actually engaging a group then banging one of the girls.

This seems like one of the hardest things to do. You have to be a dancing monkey to the girls then find a way to isolate the girl without making her look slutty in front of the friends.

Post: #2

Sure, that's been my bread and butter since day one. What's your specific problem(s)? We can handle this shit in just one thread. Shoot!

Post: #3

(02-01-2017 11:53 AM)XXL Wrote:  Sure, that's been my bread and butter since day one. What's your specific problem(s)? We can handle this shit in just one thread. Shoot!

Whats the first 5 minutes of the approach like? The opener?


How are you choosing/isolating your eventual target.

Post: #4

I got a bang from approaching a group of 6 girls last summer in San Jose, Costa Rica.

I actually got the cutest one of the 6.
Only cost me U$70 + U$5 hotel room across the brothel.

Seriously, never gotten a bang in my life from approaching groups. I´ve gotten kisses but never a BANG. Too much hassle dealing with the hens and fatties cockblocking my latino ass.

Post: #5

(02-01-2017 12:40 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:53 AM)XXL Wrote:  Sure, that's been my bread and butter since day one. What's your specific problem(s)? We can handle this shit in just one thread. Shoot!

Whats the first 5 minutes of the approach like? The opener?


How are you choosing/isolating your eventual target.

Disclaimer: this is how I do it.

The first minutes of the approach

To me the first impression thing is bullshit. To me first few minutes do not count at all. There's nothing I can say or do to make any girl into me in first 1-15 minutes. I might hook a group but it's not like they like ME. They just like what I come with, whether it's a engaging question, comment, challenge or whatever.

First few minutes are all about breaking the ice and that's it. I don't want to attract anybody, or seduce. I can't because every stranger I talk to for 2 minutes is closed towards me. They might interested, intrigued, engaged, or feel to prove something to me but still, that's just knee jerk reaction to what I come with at them. It's not their affection towards me.

So first minutes might as well be stiff, weird and uncomfortable. That's fine. That's perfectly normal human reaction. The goal of the approach is to break the ice and stay there, without saying anything lame or idiotic.

Technically speaking, you might ask question or throw a comment and address whole group. Not just the girl you're interested in. Whole group. Engage them all with your bullshit.

Conversations flows cause you keep it fresh and steer it however you want. You change topics, fuck around with girls, challenge them, play them against each other, typical gamey gamey shit.

That's how you can express your intent and sexual side, just by touching on certain topics, without hitting on any girl in the group. You don't have to be romantically interested in a girl to do it. The effect is the same.

Once they are warmed up to you [literally they are heated up inside], ONLY THEN your game can work. Cause now they've lowered their defenses and opened themselves towards you. Before that waypoint any gaming is just useless, it doesn't reach them. It can only spike their buying temperature hard and quick, ok it can, but that's fake energy, it falls down quickly and cannot be maintained. You boil frog too fast and poof! she's gone.

You wanna work like a virus, from within, activate when you're IN, not when you're coming at them.

That's how first few minutes look when I do.

4+ girls in library.. hey I'm looking for this xyz book, do you know where it might be? you kind of look like a bookworm [point at one girl], am i right or she sending me mixed signals? [address the group. they respond conversation starts, you take it from there. key is that you have to talk a lot at the beginning, the more you talk the more content you give them to respond to, don't do that shit where you ask a simple logical question and wait for their response, that's bad move, you go in with almost nothing and demand their attention, fuck yourself. you get out what you put in. so put in at first, invest and reap benefits or your rap later.

the best opener is..
- addressing something about them [the most important topic to them right?]
- literally just going in talking about random thing [a story or whatever related to the situation, something them, place you're in, etc]
- challenging them from the start, playing some game


Choosing/isolating your girl

As you talk shit and they talk back you start screening who's who and what's what. this is actualle the most crucial thing in the whole fucking game and almost nobody talks about. BREAKING DOWN LOGISTICS ASAP. That's what gets you laid or makes you fail. You can be walking superman but without logistics handled you mighty dick will be watching different dicks in action online.

So as you chat chat chat you innocently try to figure out where they live, who they're with here, what's their plan for now/later/this day/this week, etc, typical boring [but useful] question, just like normal people do when they talk to someone new.

In the meantime you wanna figure out who's free and taken. Not that it's a sink or swim thing but it helps you to pick the right fight and makes you realize what's waiting for you if you choose this or that.

Then it's the time for the decision which girl is the lucky one.

Since you know more or less what's up with her and her friends now you decide how to game. That's the 2nd SUPER FUCKING CRUCIAL thing that nobody talks about. In short... it's the logistics that determine how you game a girl. If you find out she's a go that day/night and all it takes is to lead her towards your/her place then you can amp it up sexually, get her aroused more, etc, simply because there are no visible obstacles on the highway to the happy end.

Now you have 2 options:

1. Pull her - this is harder cause she's with her company while you want to take her away from them. I happens of course here and there but that's more a matter of a luck rather than actual skill. But still you can...

2. Stay with her till the end - This is better move cause it happens more organically. You just stay with her and her group. You have fun and all and just stick to her until everybody splits. Then you pull. That's how most of my pulls went down. We left all together to go somewhere then people start leaving one by one and you're with her at the end. It's way easier than trying to steal and deal with drama in the meantime, persisting, solving her unfavorable situation, etc.

If she's not available or shit is tough to solve then you go slower not to activate her asd now and buyers remorse when you contact her. so as you're boiling that frog slowly in fact, you talk about what you can do next day/week together and see if she's down. If she is then you set it up then and there when she is free and you are free so that there will be nothing on your way to pull her. At least in theory but still it is much better than taking number and gaming over the phone setting it up over text messages. Lame. So she's willing to meet up with and you orchestrate your masterplan how to meet up again in favorable time and place. Good. Now you take her contact [there's not point to do it earlier].

That's how you know "what to do now". You backwards engineer it. You figure out the situation, then choose what's the best move. And that is why everything that happens before knowing her logistics/availability doesn't mean shit. Without those details you're going blind. Literally.

With group of 5+ it's actually easier to have some private time with your girl cause there are 4+ people there so they can occupy themselves easily. Often times I did this mini isolation where we stood or sat just a bit on the side together while her group hung out together, only coming up to us once in a while. With a group 3+ it's tougher cause there are only 2 people left so once they stop talking they turn to you. The more people there the easier it is to have some privacy.

You can ask me more of course

Post: #6

My 2 cents.

If it's an all-woman group then it's pretty easy. It all lies in dealing with the shit-tests of the ugly/talkative girl in the group. She'll aggressively try to cockblock you. They honestly don't care/remember what your opener was and how you approached them. One important rule is that you should never directly talk to the girl you want to fuck, at least until a friendly environment is established.

If you have a wing or two with you then it becomes much easier. Those guys can be left to deal with the cockblocking chick.

Honestly I think it's a waste of time..especially if you don't have any social proof. You're basically dealing with 6+ women to just sleep with one. Bad investment!

Post: #7

Quote:
Honestly I think it's a waste of time..especially if you don't have any social proof. You're basically dealing with 6+ women to just sleep with one. Bad investment!

don't see how that's the case, often the best ones are in groups.

Post: #8

^ True that.

The girls you actually want hang with friends they don't go out alone. Good luck wandering around streets trying to find that hot one on her own who will have some time to talk to you.

Groups = hotties.

Post: #9

Yes. I guess this will be mostly during night time. Confidence and strong frame is key in these situation, and taking 'baby steps' towards your end goal. I think this kind of closing requires a lot more steps than normal approach->close.

One of the best girls I ever banged (SNL) came from an approach where she was in a group of 7-8 total, of which 3 guys. Went down like this (in a club) but think it's pretty the much the way to go at it for night game 5+ sets:
1. Position yourself next to her group where she notices you and had eye contact
2. Just basic approach 'nice club/song/' and some small talk/build rapport, 1-2 min. max to get a feel of her
3. Extract
4. Within 15mins-45mins approach again (all the time in-between don't give her any attention), if no.2 went good she will be open to you and give you a smile or any other good IOI
5. Talk some more and talk of her friends/group in order to try to get introduced. Talk with a few of them and give a good handshake (we need a good handshake sheet for all situations) to the 'most alpha guy'. Their radar will go down/stop.
6. Focus back on your girl, try to get in some deeper talk, tell her after 2-3mins you have a hard time understanding her with the music (at this stage you also have your arm/hand on her lower back/side), tell her to come outside to talk (club I was in had some good outside lounge so we still stayed in the club which is perfect as didn't require leaving the place completely. Might be tough if you're in some cold ass country/bad outside club area)
7. Sit(preferably)/stand outside and just do your game/closing as you're used to

No dancing monkey involved or other gimmicky stuff to impress her/friends.

Post: #10

During the day, hot girls are more likely to be alone or in a smaller set.

At night, quite unlikely.

Post: #11

No, but don't really recall opening a 5+ set either

Post: #12

Yes - a few times

Here is my formula:

1. I was in a very good / party mood, I wasn't going out for the sake of it but really had an urge to socialise

2. ZFG was set to maximum

3. I made sure the group could not figure out which girl was my target - I started by engaging the second least attractive in the group (the least attractive was a land whale so it would have been suspicious / highly dangerous to engage her) and switching around my attention randomly around the group, even throwing one or two crumbs to the land whale to throw the others off balance. Once this pattern started, the competitiveness came out and I used it to leverage the situation.

4. I was happy to bang the second most attractive and she was very happy to beat out the most attractive. The majority of times, that was the one I banged. Once the most attractive who was sluttier than average would not have it and froze out the competition and it was an easy home run from there

1 and 2 gets you through the approach stage to break into the circle, 3 and 4 keep the bitch shields at bay.

Not being too drunk on the night ensures that you don't wake up underneath the land whale.

Post: #13

XXL that was a great breakdown.

In terms of your "mindset" when approaching a group like that you really have to allow yourself to be thrown into the chaos of a group.

Walking in blind you have to realize there are essentially unlimited possibilities. Maybe the group is about to leave. Can you leave with them or are you tied to your venue? What happens if they want to have group sex? Do you have the proper amount of space for that? Etc, etc..

The point is that when you enter a large group you need to engage the whole group, and as XXL said already, you need to learn what is going on that night. This will tell you how much you can expect from the situation.

In my experience large groups are a lot of fun. They are just so unpredictable.

For practice you can enter large groups with no intention of gaming a girl. Just do it to be fun and social. Try it out, you will probably find that it isn't that bad.

Post: #14

(02-04-2017 03:38 PM)Spidey Wrote:  The point is that when you enter a large group you need to engage the whole group, and as XXL said already, you need to learn what is going on that night. This will tell you how much you can expect from the situation.

Yes.

Guys in the game who have learned a lot of attraction stuff often avoid "boring questions" and "get to know you" talk on purpose to stand out. On one hand it's understandable but on the other hand it's silly silly cause those typical formalities give a lot of information.

Where are you from >> Where do you live? Far away? Alone, roommates, family?
What do you do >> When you work? Which days? Shifts? How busy week?
Who do you know >> Who are you here with? How many friends? What occasion?
What are you doing today/tonight? >> What are you doing later? Tomorrow? This week?
What do you like to do? >> What we can do together?

People say those things almost every time they meet someone new. It's a universal thing. Why not use it to your advantage?

(02-04-2017 03:38 PM)Spidey Wrote:  In my experience large groups are a lot of fun. They are just so unpredictable.

For practice you can enter large groups with no intention of gaming a girl. Just do it to be fun and social. Try it out, you will probably find that it isn't that bad.

True. That's not even seduction, that's social skills.

Anyone who wants to know how to game groups should be able to smoothly join a conversation people are having at some place or start new one and engage people around in it. Whether it's cantine at work, people smoking outside the college, in waiting line at some mall/airport, etc. This is exactly how opening "sets" is done. You go in social, make yourself welcome and take it from there.

Post: #15

XXL dropping bombs in here -- one thing to add, re: breaking into the groups with social energy: eavesdropping + pithy quip that sparks more conversation.

I.E. maybe they are complaining about some guy issue with an acquaintance; I'll wait until their convo reaches a crescendo thematically and volume-wise, and at the next opp, jump in with "couldn't help but overhear -- hah, I've been That Guy before, I bet your girl [whatever funny prediction]". Usually each girl will jump in with her contribution, excited to keep the convo going and seeking validation from handsome stranger who just "read their minds" on the heels of them realizing they were being pretty loud in public.

It's like the perfect exchange of social value and fits the aforementioned vibe of avoiding lame q's (though this can segue into nice logistics questions), delaying targeting the specific girl (get them competing), and keeps the party going.

Disclaimers: this is something I use if I'm not already in my own whirlwind, jumping into sets with my own self-amused musings.

You MUST calibrate the eavesdrop + pithy remark so as not to be creepy. As usual the best comes from toeing the line -- commenting on a personal "I know that feel [from the other side]" level, but being so "OMG he's so right" about it that it negates any creepiness the personal nature would otherwise risk.

So, don't jump in on a "OMG why are they late".... jump in on a "sometimes we have a great weekend together, and then I don't hear anything from him on Monday! Is he avoiding me?" kind of moment. Formula kind of being "oh man, gotta interrupt you guys, I'm usually that guy, never realized how it came off! Let me guess: [cold read / tie it back to their night out / etc.]"

Whichever girl was waxing on the topic you speak on, and whatever it was, they can all probably relate to it. Use it is a springboard -- some times the convo can really stay on that topic for a bit (while you drop bait), other times it's an immediate springboard to a here-and-now focused convo.

Pro-tip: this kind of strategic eavesdropping-for-chick-crack game works wonders on the subway train/platform. Go and overhear tourists in your city musing about the wrong way to get to X, or how they got so lost today, or SETTLE their argument about where to eat dinner and get them to take you out to drinks in exchange for showing them around.

Post: #16

Yes. Not really an approach, the last one was almost by pure fluke.

Was walking past the club and saw a group of 5 or 6 standing around. I recognized them from a larger group of maybe 12 a few days earlier who were in Vegas for a bachelorette party. Locked eyes with one of them and as I walked past said to the group in general Where's the rest of the hen party? They said something or another and the one I locked eyes with asked if I'm going in. Told her no I'm not dressed properly. She said no you're fine come with us. That was literally it. Right place at the right time type of deal.

The rest of the night was standard. What I found really interesting this time around was that isolating largely took care of itself. For most of the night the group would splinter on their own for long stretches and regroup. The girl mentioned their flight was next day at 1pm so I told her to tell her friends she's tired and I'll meet her outside. And that was that.

Post: #17

I have always assumed that it was virtually impossible especially as Roosh and I believe Krauser really didn't like approaching girls not by themselves or in pairs.

Here in NZ most of the few hot girls(or even mediocre girls) that exist are in groups. I'd always been counting them out since I assumed they were really difficult. XXL has really opened my mind to the possibility...

Post: #18

Decided to grow balls over the weekend and approached 2 5 sets. I went up to them and ask their opinion on an issue. I had a decent conversation with them. 5 minutes or so. The only issue is that there are too many parts that the convo fizzles out. Its so hard to keep the attention of 1 21 year old girl, let alone 5 of them in a loud environment with a ton of distractions. I give props to anyone who got laid off a 5 set.

Post: #19

Yea I met the best looking girl I've ever dated in a set that was 5 or 6. She was at a local night club watching the show in order to prepare for dancing at the venue for a popular artist.

I was at the night club with a tall, slim, stunner. The girl I was with was frankly more or less a girl looking for a sponsor which I had no intention of being. In the short term I was getting my fun in with her for a few weeks. A girl who was in a group seated behind me caught my eye. Honestly I have no idea why because in all the time I knew her it was the worst I ever saw her dress and we dated 8 months to put it in perspective.

Nonetheless when my date went outside for a smoke I looked at what I guess could be described as the group leader. (A tall fit black girl who clearly owned the conversation) Told her I wasn't feeling my date could you do me the favour of getting your friends number for me and passing it on to me. Now I realize talking to her directly would've been more ideal but when I tried she couldn't hear me and because of the venue set up I wasn't about to get up and sit at their table of move in a location where my date would have clear site of me.

A few minutes later when my date went to the washroom the girl I liked came back with a piece of paper with her number. The next time my date went outside for smoke she came back with the same number with a changed digit. (I guess originally she gave me the digit off cause she wasn't sure)

That was a pure example of just social proof by being their with a very attractive girl. There was no awesome game involved. Just social proof.

Post: #20

If she likes you enough, she will leave the group. I had incidents where her friend came back to her asking 'Are you OKAY?' couple times. She assured her she was OK.

Post: #21

(06-27-2017 02:58 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  If she likes you enough, she will leave the group. I had incidents where her friend came back to her asking 'Are you OKAY?' couple times. She assured her she was OK.

True story: I once met some 6' Amazonian blond with an epic rack off MySpace. She was out with some friends, both female and male, celebrating college graduation. She's moving out of town to start a new job offer this week. We moved to the bar quickly alone and things progressed fast, then she was drunk enough to knock over my whiskey. She felt so bad, I knew I had a submissive bang locked up.

I started to lead her outside to get back to my apartment, but her friends literally ran up and dragged her away while she was pleading "HE'LL GET ME HOME SAFE! I'LL CALL YOU IN A COUPLE HOURS! LET ME GO!"

I sighed and called it a night, but on the walk home I ran into her group coming around the corner the other way. With nothing else to do, I just grabbed her and angrily motorboated her low-cut top in front of all her friends. She loved it, her female friends were not impressed.

I went home and sad-fapped.

No joke, a year later she texts me that she's back in town. Got the bang. The power of networking.

Post: #22

The biggest mistake you can make is trying to game one girl of the group. That's a great recipe to be cockblocked. The one girl isn't going to abandon her friends for you unless you're an absolute prize.

You MUST game the entire group. This is a learned skill. You need to be funny, you need to tease, you need to project your voice, and you need to not sound too obnoxious otherwise their group mentality will kick in that they don't need you. You need to pay attention to all members of the group, even the ugly ones and fatties. This will win them over, and they'll be way less likely to cockblock you (it's usually the fatties that try to do that).

Once you've received an IOI from one, and you've made your choice, you can slowly focus your sights on that one. Keep gaming the group, but less and less as they get totally comfortable with you. Proceed to game your choice girl as usual.

Post: #23

Quote:Here in NZ most of the few hot girls(or even mediocre girls) that exist are in groups. I'd always been counting them out since I assumed they were really difficult

Its not that it is difficult per se. It is just different to have social approach than going in with sexual energy from the get go as you can do with a girl on her own.

Basically you go in socially at first and figure out things before you turn it more sexual. Although it is not like you act like a friend or some fag. You can come across very sexual the way you carry yourself and how you talk without hitting on any girl.

I remember I liked to say stuff like "omg i think im falling for your friend here very fast please help me get her, you know her better, tell me what she will like, Im very talented and humble..." which instantly introduced sexual vibe, put the girl the spot and engaged her friends. I wasnt hitting on her but I was conveying my intentions in indirect way.

Post: #24

Once, a bachelorette party in the Florida Keys.