Post: #251

(03-19-2017 01:31 AM)Deluge Wrote:  My current main girl is French. Her father is a retired army officer who lives in one of the wealthiest and most Catholic areas in France, in the western suburbs of Paris. He does not like Muslims at all, and I suspect he won't be over the moon to hear his daughter is riding this brown dick. Yet even he will be voting for Macron on the 2nd round against Le Pen (he is voting for Fillon in the 1st). If she cannot win over a man like this, it is a struggle to see how she could assemble a broad enough coalition to win over 50% of the vote. Le Pen needs the LR/UMP vote on her side. This makes me suspect this is not happening.

Of course - French movies, TV, media - all blast pro-Islam pro-diversity pro-immigration propaganda out of every nook, cranny and little extra asshole.

The only thing that can make Le Pen happen is when people say one thing to the pollsters out of fear of being called racist and do another.

But I have little hope for that. The French will go down in blood and tears, but at least they can be proud of the fact that they were not racists. They were just stupid fucks.

Post: #252

(03-19-2017 01:31 AM)Deluge Wrote:  a retired army officer

He does not like Muslims at all

, he won't be over the moon to hear his daughter is riding this brown dick.

"Yet even he will be voting for Macron on the 2nd round against Le Pen "??

I've got news for you: this father has lied to you and his daughter: He will certainly vote Le Pen against faggot Soros-banker Mac'ron. He just probably didn't want to tell it in your face, considering.

(Results of past elections in Satory proved that 85% of military or police personnel vote Le Pen, by the way)

Post: #253

(03-19-2017 04:40 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 01:31 AM)Deluge Wrote:  a retired army officer

He does not like Muslims at all

, he won't be over the moon to hear his daughter is riding this brown dick.

"Yet even he will be voting for Macron on the 2nd round against Le Pen "??

I've got news for you: this father has lied to you and his daughter: He will certainly vote Le Pen against faggot Soros-banker Mac'ron. He just probably didn't want to tell it in your face, considering.

(Results of past elections in Satory proved that 85% of military or police personnel vote Le Pen, by the way)

Trust me I was curious about this too. I've never met him so I can only relay what my girl told me. I pressed her on it and she says her father says Le Pen is too socialist and would be the bad for the economy. He did admit he would vote for Le Pen over Hamon or Mélenchon though. Her mother works in finance for one of the largest banks in France so if it's true it could be her influence also.

Post: #254

(03-19-2017 04:31 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 02:26 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  On the subject of the debates, the first one is on Monday at 9pm. Only the top five candidates have been invited and it is moderated by a pro-Hillary Clinton moderator.

Five candidates, and imbalanced: 3 leftist trash, against 2 patriot candidates.

It would and should have been 3-3, but MSM has refused to allow right-wing Nicolas Dupont-Aignan to participate in the debate. Dupont-Aignan's crime? Having said the inconvenient truth: that Sub-Saharan mass-migration should be the number-one obsession of the new French president (beating in urgency the euro or "Islam")...

It's all the better that Dupont-Aignan didn't make it, he would have taken votes away from le Pen, who has the same priorities. Asselineau, right wing anti-EU candidate, got his 500 signatures and official candidacy (not an easy feat) precisely because he takes votes away from Fillon/le Pen.

We'll find out after the first round if these small candidates are total pawns or not, based on their support level for le Pen.

Post: #255

Total list of the 11 candidates:

Post: #256

(03-19-2017 03:01 PM)balybary Wrote:  Total list of the 11 candidates:

^ guess who Hollande put in charge of the Constitutional Court (Council)... Leftist Fabius! ... not the casino-shark son mind you, the father, mister "contaminated-blood scandal" himself... such a parody of democracy!

Post: #257

2 women are candidate Lepen and Arthaud.

Everybody knows Lepen, Arthaud is a communist.

Arthaud's look in 2012:


Arthaud's look in 2017:

Post: #258

(03-19-2017 11:08 AM)911 Wrote:  We'll find out after the first round if these small candidates are total pawns or not, based on their support level for le Pen.

I disagree with most of what Hamon stands for, but I believe he is a genuine true believer.

He resigned from a prestigious cabinet position because he didn't like Hollande's anti-worker agenda. Despite winning the nomination, he received no real support from the party establishment, who obviously favoured Valls.

Post: #259

(03-19-2017 03:36 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 11:08 AM)911 Wrote:  We'll find out after the first round if these small candidates are total pawns or not, based on their support level for le Pen.

I disagree with most of what Hamon stands for, but I believe he is a genuine true believer.

Yes, indeed: a true believer in Jihadism: dude got elected in Trappes! Trappes (Jean-Marie Le Pen would add, horresco referens), the Yemen of suburbs, the cradle of Western Europe islamic terrorism...

Post: #260

IF* Hamon is elected I will have a nervous breakdown of the same magnitude that the leftards when Trumps win. Literally.

* it's a big IF

Post: #261

(03-19-2017 03:29 PM)balybary Wrote:  Arthaud's look in 2012:

Arthaud's look in 2017:

She's not a brazillian university student, but I guess Antes/Depois would make an exception
https://twitter.com/antesdepoisfede

(03-19-2017 04:01 PM)balybary Wrote:  IF* Hamon is elected I will have a nervous breakdown of the same magnitude that the leftards when Trumps win. Literally.

* it's a big IF

The scary thing is, he'd become the favourite if Melonchon endorsed him.

Post: #262

(03-19-2017 03:01 PM)balybary Wrote:  Total list of the 11 candidates:

Only 2 women out of 11? It's obvious all of France should unite behind Le Pen to protest such rampant sexism...

Post: #263

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/m...supporters Wrote:'We feel very close to her': can 'fake feminist' Marine Le Pen win the female vote?


In a room normally used for an evening bridge club, Christiane, 60, was clutching a plate of cured pork sausage with a mini French flag stuck in it at a pre-dinner drink for Front National supporters. Dressed in colourful knitwear and a chunky wooden necklace, she used to vote Communist and was a feminist who burned her bra in the 1970s. But she now wants Marine Le Pen to be president. Christiane, a former TV freelancer, said it was her “experience as a woman” that had led her to gradually shift to the far right.

“I was pregnant, single and in financial difficulty so I went to inquire about benefits, but I was entitled to nothing. Yet next to me there was a Pakistani woman with an interpreter who was entitled to everything. Something was not right,” she said. “We can’t give everything away without protecting our own. When I tried to get housing help, I was told: ‘Move back in with your mother.’ I raised my son on my own in a studio flat in a block in northern Paris; there was a rape below me, burnt-out cars.”

Christiane added: “My path to the Front National came from anger, disillusionment, disgust, revolt. This party brings together people who have been disappointed – that’s why they are progressing. I’ve got female friends who once said they would never vote Front National, but this time they are swayed. We don’t have rights and benefits any more; everything is given to outsiders.”


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Female voters are crucial for Le Pen’s bid to become France’s first female president. Polls currently show Le Pen reaching the final round in May, but unable to get the 50% needed to win the presidency. It is female voters who could boost her score. Traditionally, more women register to vote than men in France, but they are also more likely to abstain. Le Pen, who avoids the word feminist, is now pushing her feminine side in campaign videos and special pamphlets designed for female voters. She presents herself as a twice-divorced single mother who worked as a lawyer and had three babies in one year – a daughter, immediately followed by twins.

The Front National has a tricky history with female voters. For decades under Le Pen’s father, the macho ex-paratrooper Jean-Marie Le Pen, the party suffered from a gender gap. Far fewer women than men voted for a party which from the start vehemently opposed abortion rights – it called the legalisation of abortion “an anti-French genocide” – and pushed a traditionalist view of women as childbearers and homemakers. But in the last presidential election in 2012, when Le Pen had taken over from her father, the gender gap started to close (even though it emerged again during the local and regional elections of the past two years).

Le Pen has toned down the party’s stance on abortion and no longer wants to roll back its legalisation – even if her popular niece, the MP Marion Maréchal Le Pen, is staunchly pro-life and has talked about cutting subsidies for family planning. Marine Le Pen’s new campaign logo – a blue rose instead of the party’s traditional flame – was conceived for its supposed feminine appeal.

The courting of young women’s votes is all about not scaring them off – one recent survey showed more women than men still believed the far right was “dangerous for democracy”. Florian Philippot, Le Pen’s chief strategist, told the Guardian: “I don’t know how many times I’ve heard young women say they voted against us in an election second round because they were – wrongly – convinced we’re going to ban the pill or ban abortion. It’s totally false and it’s harmful for our second round vote.”


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But the key focus of Le Pen’s wooing of women is to push her anti-immigration stance – emphasising what she calls the threat of creeping “Islamist fundamentalism” that is “rolling back women’s rights” in France.

After the mass sexual assaults and muggings by groups of men in Cologne in Germany during New Year’s Eve celebrations in 2016, Le Pen wrote an opinion piece in France describing immigration as a threat to women’s rights, saying it risked bringing “social regression” to France. She wrote: “I am scared that the migrant crisis signals the beginning of the end of women’s rights.” Le Pen has said she would like to ban the hijab, or Muslim headscarf, from all public spaces. On International Women’s Day this week, she said that every woman must be protected in their right, if they chose, “to wear shorts or a miniskirt”.

On a visit to Lebanon last month, Le Pen refused to wear a headscarf to meet a senior Muslim official and pointedly cancelled her meeting – sending a signal to her voters.

Far from women’s rights issues, the key concern of many women voting Front National remains immigration.

“The number one reason I vote Front National is Islam,” said Nicole, 80, a former art teacher from the smart 16th arrondissement of Paris. “Everything else can be resolved, but we have let Islam slip into this country. There’s too much Islam here.”

Sophie, 32, a well-dressed artist educated to postgraduate level, was breastfeeding her four-month-old baby as she listened to Le Pen’s campaign director address a crowd of supporters. She used to live in a diverse area of Paris. “As a woman I feel threatened by the rise in radical Islam,” she said. “I was fed up with cat-calls when I walked down the street in a skirt. For some groups of men, if your head isn’t covered and you dress as French, you’re a prostitute.” She added: “But it’s difficult because I come from a leftwing family. I feel I can’t talk to them about my vote.”

Among the female voters who choose Le Pen, retail workers stand out. She has gained a significant share of the vote among women in this sector, including supermarket cashiers and shop assistants, who often face poor pay and conditions.

In recent weeks, Le Pen has been ambushed by feminist campaigners outside events. At the Paris farm show, two feminists seeking to award her a prize “for being an impostor for the so-called defence of women” were removed by Le Pen’s security team. Last month, a topless campaigner from the Femen group stormed a Le Pen conference on foreign policy shouting: “Marine: fake feminist!”

The historian Valérie Igounet, whose recent book L’Illusion Nationale covers two years of research in towns currently run by Front National mayors, said: “Just as with other topics, when the Front National tackles the issue of women, it is really talking about immigration. It is immigration that underlies everything.” She added: “The Front National is far from a party that is feminist and respects all rights of women.”

Miriam, 63, a secondary school teacher who worked in a diverse neighbourhood of Paris said she felt more female teachers around her were becoming open to the Front National. “It feels like there is less security in the capital,” she said. “For me the problem of immigration is essential. We’re losing France and real French values.”

The fact that Le Pen was a woman meant “she has a certain sensitivity”, Miriam said. “There’s a community of spirit. We feel very close to her as a female candidate.”

Post: #264

"Mickey Mouse is standing outside of Paris." Let's see what the French do: This song fits the French Presidential Election:

Post: #265

This Monday evening, first debate beetween the 5 biggest candidates
François Fillon, Benoît Hamon, Emmanuel Macron, Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

Mélenchon has said that he will not withdraw to give his supporter to Hamon.
Mélenchon is a sly politician and knows that many of his supporter will not vote for Hamon and will call him a traitor if he withdraws. Mélenchon doesn’t want to be Hamon little bitch.

Mélenchon and Hamon have talked to each other and have agreed on a non-agression pact.

On this first debate, Emmanuel Macron will be the main target of the others candidate.

On my opinion, Emmanuel Macron is the candidate of the mainstream media, which are totally biased on his favor.
The polls are probably rigged, if the media say to the French people, “this candidate (Macron) is strong, he will beat evil Nazi Lepen”, clearly he will get many more real votes. In French it’s called “vote utile” (tactical voting), a choice that is been made by the voter because of the 2 rounds system.

Post: #266

(03-20-2017 02:38 AM)balybary Wrote:  On my opinion, Emmanuel Macron is the candidate of the mainstream media, which are totally biased on his favor.
The polls are probably rigged, if the media say to the French people, “this candidate (Macron) is strong, he will beat evil Nazi Lepen”, clearly he will get many more real votes. In French it’s called “vote utile” (tactical voting), a choice that is been made by the voter because of the 2 rounds system.

Good point
If I was a globalist and was fabricating polls, I'd want both Marine and Macron to look strong but for Fillon to be enough of a threat to get the low polling socialists to vote for Macron.

In the second round, I'd want Marine ahead of Macron, as rubbishing Trump's chances reduced Clinton's turnout, but exagerating Geert Wilders chances helped boost opposition turnout.

You are right about the media being biased, but here's something ludicrious they've been officially chastised for allowing Fillon and his supporters to speak too much
http://www.lcp.fr/afp/le-temps-de-parole...lon-le-csa

Post: #267

How many leftist candidates are in the first round? If there's more of those against only two on the right, it could work to dilute Macron's vote so Le Pen and Fillon go through, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also wouldn't try to compare Trump to this too much. We have to admit Trump was a total rock star up against a very boring, uncharismatic, and corrupt candidate. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Wish I had more data but the Trump analogy some have been making doesn't seem very accurate here.

Post: #268

(03-20-2017 12:37 PM)Libertas Wrote:  How many leftist candidates are in the first round? If there's more of those against only two on the right, it could work to dilute Macron's vote so Le Pen and Fillon go through, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also wouldn't try to compare Trump to this too much. We have to admit Trump was a total rock star up against a very boring, uncharismatic, and corrupt candidate. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Wish I had more data but the Trump analogy some have been making doesn't seem very accurate here.

All of the candidates LePen is running against are corrupt as hell. Easily as bad as Hillary and would do everything she did if they could. But LePen does not have the gravitas to call them out like Trump, and I predict she will fall flat.

Post: #269

http://www.france24.com/en/20170320-top-...ate-france

France 24 will have English subtitles for the debate at 9pm

They also livestream their channel, but I'm not certain the debate will be on it.

Post: #270

http://www.france24.com/en/20170320-top-...ate-france

France 24 will have English subtitles for the debate at 9pm

They also livestream their channel, but I'm not certain the debate will be on it.

Post: #271

livestream news with this link:

http://www.lci.fr/direct/

Post: #272

First seconds of the livestream, before the debate.

Journalist : "Mr Melanchon, you're focusing right now?"
Melanchon : "Well, not thanks to you." (angry voice)
Journalist : "OK...the message is clear...".

It's gonna be a fun night.

Edit : Marine Lepen goes to all the other candidates to shake their hands, while they just stay at their place.
She's trying to establish dominance on the territory, I like it.

Post: #273

(03-20-2017 01:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 12:37 PM)Libertas Wrote:  How many leftist candidates are in the first round? If there's more of those against only two on the right, it could work to dilute Macron's vote so Le Pen and Fillon go through, but I'm not holding my breath.

I also wouldn't try to compare Trump to this too much. We have to admit Trump was a total rock star up against a very boring, uncharismatic, and corrupt candidate. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Wish I had more data but the Trump analogy some have been making doesn't seem very accurate here.

All of the candidates LePen is running against are corrupt as hell. Easily as bad as Hillary and would do everything she did if they could. But LePen does not have the gravitas to call them out like Trump, and I predict she will fall flat.

Fillon is fairly clean, as is le Pen. The scandals they've stuck on Fillon are relatively minor, politicians can hire any staff they wish with the budgets they have at their disposal. Given that this is the worst dirt the French deep state has been able to come up with, it tells you he's relatively clean.

On the LCi feed, the commentators are digging into Fillon, talking about his suit and his wife, while they are hyping their favorite Macron as "the politicians worst nightmare".

Post: #274

I don't want to be the vice-Chancellor for Angela Merkel

Post: #275

Opening statements quick notes:

-Fillon MFGA, wants to make France #1 in Europe within 10 years by reducing taxes, regulations and govt waste

-Melenchon wants to scrap and rewrite the constitution, and get out of NATO. Radical/anti-establishment program which might nibble at le Pen voter block.

-Le Pen: doesn't want to be Merkel's bitch or a corporate whore, French sovereignty, national program defending French industry and agriculture, fight against banks, globalists. Champion of the people.

-Macron: pure fluff, but with a nice smile.

-Hamon: claims to be for "peace", honest and fair. Wants to turn the page and take France into the future, and other platitudes.