Post: #26

I'm not completely sold on the concept of marriage and don't know if I'll ever be but I would try to help her out as a fellow human being who is in tune with the suffering of others.

Post: #27

You know how they advise you never to buy a car that's been a major road crash, no matter how much it's been patched up and no matter how much they tell you it's been "fixed," because invariably there's shit wrong with it you can't see, in the chassis or the structure of the car?

Same deal applies here.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #28

(01-21-2017 11:19 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  You know how they advise you never to buy a car that's been a major road crash, no matter how much it's been patched up and no matter how much they tell you it's been "fixed," because invariably there's shit wrong with it you can't see, in the chassis or the structure of the car?

Same deal applies here.

Exactly. There might be someone willing to take on such a restoration project, but I'm not one of those people. Most chicks are fucked up enough without having had something like that happen to them.

Post: #29

No. Emotional drama and instability will only hinder a healthy relationship, which is obviously impossible with tingle-powered Anglo women.

Post: #30

(01-21-2017 11:19 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  You know how they advise you never to buy a car that's been a major road crash, no matter how much it's been patched up and no matter how much they tell you it's been "fixed," because invariably there's shit wrong with it you can't see, in the chassis or the structure of the car?

Same deal applies here.

I bought two cars with rebuilt titles..... had no problems out of either.


I'm not advocating that girls who are raped are all fine and dandy and will present you no problems down the road. But there are exceptions to every rule...

Post: #31

If I were living in a society where polygamy was allowed I could marry a previously raped, widowed, and under certain circumstances divorced and abandoned woman as my second or third wife.

In pre Roman era - when monogamy and social security didn't exist the main reason for existence of polygamy was for someone to take care of such misfit women, for their fertility to not go wasted so that tribe would grow. The husband gets some legal sexual variety in return.

Under the current tyranny of Monogamy - no. I would never marry a woman who is not a virgin. The first and only wife must be close to perfection and physical and mental virginity is like 75% of that. I have married a woman who lost her virginity to me, btw so it's not an empty platitude.

Post: #32

No.

I learned a long time ago that there is no good to come from being "Captain Save A Ho".

It doesn't matter what kind of "Ho" she is, or how she became said "Ho". All that matters is that she is damaged merchandise.

You don't go into a Best Buy and purchase a display TV without a discount, do you? (If you do, you're not very smart). No, you get a discount because that TV has been on display, touched, played with, tapped, etc. Likewise, you wouldn't pay full-price for used furniture.

Why then would you pay "full price" (i.e. marry) a woman who has been raped? If you've dated women who've had any sort of legitimate sexual trauma in their past, you KNOW what kind of fucked up emotional issues they have. What the hell is the appeal of that? To feel like you're a super-hero? If you need to feel like you're doing good for the world, go to a third world country and help out needy children, I promise you, that feels a LOT more fulfilling than being in a relationship with a rape victim. (Spoken from experience)

Post: #33

I'm sure there are some women who are exceptions, who can accept responsibility for the health of their marriage and fulfill their husband's needs regardless of past trauma, but I doubt I have the skillset to recognize that one woman from the rest. I'd say no just because I doubt my vetting process in that regard.

Seems like it adds another layer to standard shit tests. If she does something unacceptable, she can just add some nonsense about being triggered and most people get sympathetic and cave.

Post: #34

Would not Marry.
Would not Date.
Would not Bang.

I have a couple of raped girls in my exes, not worth it.

Post: #35

No.

Post: #36

No. No goddamn way. Not if she was the last 8 or 9 on the planet. If a man reading and posting on this forum thinks otherwise then I question how red pill he truly is. Not just dangerous to marry a non-virgin, but one with violent trauma like that is a ticking time bomb. Someone will pay for that abuse and it'll be whoever she feels safest letting the angst out on. That would be Captain Save a Victim. It's no way to build a healthy family. I am a very compassionate man, but have dated at least a half dozen women with some kind of severe mental or sexual abuse. They never seem to recover from it. Especially if the perp is IN THE FAMILY why would you sign up to be around a psycho like that?! What about when YOU have kids and "uncle wants to babysit?! " or even auntie in this day and age of women who are so damaged by sex roles gone crazy.

Just...no.

My peace is too important to roll dice on that kind of PTSD resurfacing while I'm sleeping, or am out of town and she's alone with the kids (especially a son). Haven't there been stories enough of women flipping out and murdering children? With impunity? You don't just hit 'restore from last save' like some fucking video game! You have a fiduciary responsibility to provide the best possible mother for your precious children. You are the goddamn MAN! Act like it! Your manly beard and alphatude ain't worth shit when it comes to that kind of trauma. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of game.

Just... no. Pray for them, point them toward help, and back away slowly. Don't cause more damage by pump n dump either. Bad karma, BTDT.

#NoHymenNoDiamond

Post: #37

So just to put it out there, other than screening for medically confirmed virgins how is the "never" crowd going to screen for women that were raped if they don't come forward with that info?

Post: #38

Leonard:

Any man who has dated a woman who had previously experienced sexual trauma will tell you: There are always a minefield of red-flags.

As well dealing with women in general, the more experience you have and the more time you spend around them, the faster and more accurate your "radar" will become.

I actually will encourage my son, if I'm ever blessed to have one, to date a wide variety of women, from basket-case rape victims to beautiful "good girls" just so he can experience and understand the different types of women and how to deal with them and recognize them.

Just as there are different types of poisons in the Amazon jungle, so there are different types of crazy women. You have to be able to recognize the symptoms so you know what to avoid.

With experience comes recognition and wisdom. The only way to know is to experience it first hand.

Post: #39

(01-22-2017 08:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  So just to put it out there, other than screening for medically confirmed virgins how is the "never" crowd going to screen for women that were raped if they don't come forward with that info?

I'm in the same camp as you, I'd never willingly marry a woman who'd have been raped unless she never told me and I never found out.

My only defense, is that I'd try to date a woman I'd like to marry for at least two years, as a lot of people are on their best behavior for a year, and the more of my family I introduce her to (once I deem her safe for family), the more sets of eyes I have, other than my own, to spot any red flags or inconsistencies indicative of them.

G

Post: #40

Most RVFers will never be so beta to give to a woman so much power over everything they have.

Marriage holds a ton of advantages only for women.

99% of men who get married deeply regret such decision all their lives

Post: #41

(01-22-2017 08:21 AM)Resolute Wrote:  Leonard:

Any man who has dated a woman who had previously experienced sexual trauma will tell you: There are always a minefield of red-flags.

As well dealing with women in general, the more experience you have and the more time you spend around them, the faster and more accurate your "radar" will become.
...

I've got plenty of experience, but I'm under no illusions that I have some sort of infallible rape-dar technology.

The truth of the matter is that while rape certainly doesn't help a woman lead a stable life, crazy girls are gonna be crazy and stable girls are gonna be stable.

Rape is not some sort of universally soul destroying event. Some put it behind them much better than others, and I guarantee you you'll never know for sure.

Post: #42

(01-22-2017 09:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The truth of the matter is that while rape certainly doesn't help a woman lead a stable life, crazy girls are gonna be crazy and stable girls are gonna be stable.

Rape is not some sort of universally soul destroying event. Some put it behind them much better than others, and I guarantee you you'll never know for sure.

I'd argue quite the opposite. If we are discussing the same definition of "rape".

Let me state unequivocally how *I* define rape: A woman being forcefully and violently taken and sexually penetrated by at least one man against her will, despite her verbal, physical and mental protest.

Take the most stable, well-educated, loving "good girl", put her through the above, and I GUARANTEE she does not come out the same. Anyone with even a tiny amount of experience with women or psychology would be able to pick up signs that something was amiss within a few dates (usually within the first) and CERTAINLY after starting a sexual relationship with her.

Note that I'm only referring to girls who were RAPED per the above definition, not some girl who's uncle touched her once when she was a kid.

Post: #43

Would I marry a girl who'd been raped...?

Post: #44

I had an FWB who (and allegedly also her sister) were as children molested by an older male relative. This was some thing I found out a few years after the fact but looking back it sort of made sense.

And while I don't believe the '1 in 5 women will be raped' cannard, older relatives and family friends (male and female), diddling kids (male and female)...I think it's more common than we want to believe.

She loved her drugs (E, dope and ketamine), smoked a pack a day and could drink me under the table (despite giving up a foot and maybe 90 lbs to me).

Textbook bipolar disorder - light as a cloud one minute, despondent and contemplating suicide the next. I heard, but couldn't substantiate that she had made a few unsuccessful attempts in the past. Not something I wish to entangle myself in.

The sex was amazing though, I'll give her that. Some of the stuff I did to her was my first (and last) time doing it, and she wanted it constantly - like 4 or 5 times a day, which sounds awesome but eventually you get exhausted with it, you ever have so much sex your dick actually hurts? That happened. Sometimes I still rub out a nut thinking about the times.

I know two other guys who fucked her.

She had some hot shit job and a rich mommy, so she was always flush, had a nice car and I heard she bought a house cash a few years later. When I would go to her place, always drinks, drugs and food in the fridge, when she would come to mine, she'd always pick up a pizza or some takeout.

I ran into her when I was home 2 summers ago at a friends barbecue. Married and has 2 beautiful kids, quit the drink and the drugs but still smokes (I like to see people go all the way) and she still looked good and seemed happy, and I was happy for her.

I could maybe have seen myself ltring her, but marriage fuck no. Waiting around for her to put her life together would have killed me but I'm glad she was able.

Even if, personality-wise, they seem 'okay', you'll still probably be dealing with drug and alcohol abuse...

But you know what? These days, how can you even trust what a woman says? Women are raped every day, sure, I bet at least as many women play the 'if I say I was raped but I wasn't, I can get money/attention/sympathy/an excuse to act like a bitch' card, too.

Post: #45

What's the point of paying full price for damaged goods?

In my opinion, this question is similar to the all-to-common "would you date a single mom"?

My answer: Of course. Not seriously, obviously. But I'll spin single moms as plates. Why? Because I can get more bang for my buck. Single moms will try harder and be hotter than the average girls I can pull with my current looks and game, all other things being equal, simply because they are aware that their SMV is low. Sure, there are downsides to it, but I follow simple rules: I never meet her kid(s), I ALWAYS use condoms, I never see her more than once a week, and the "relationship" never lasts longer than 3 months.

By following the above, I'm able to fuck hotter girls with less investment than otherwise. But the key is I'm getting a DISCOUNT on the damaged goods. In the scenario the OP describes, you're investing MORE and getting LESS. It's an utterly poor investment. There is ZERO upside into marrying a girl who was raped. Fucking one because she screws like a porn-star? Sure. But marriage? Hell no.

Post: #46

(01-22-2017 11:04 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  I ran into her when I was home 2 summers ago at a friends barbecue. Married and has 2 beautiful kids, quit the drink and the drugs but still smokes (I like to see people go all the way) and she still looked good and seemed happy, and I was happy for her.

The problem is that a safe, happy, normal life is too boring for her after all she's been through. She'll start seeking drama eventually and destroy everything she's built.

Post: #47

(01-21-2017 01:58 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  Your stats are coming from MSM.
One could say that 20% were sexually harassed (there is a very broad definition to that).

In any case, let's talk about actual rape victims.
A rape victim had a major trauma. She may be cured of it, but I highly doubt it.

There are enough women in the world, why would you, being on the red pill, want to marry one?

I avoid women like that. You never know what may trigger them.

Rape victims in the West are 1 in 2000-2200. I am talking about real rape of a woman being dragged into the bushes or tricked in an appartment and then raped or gang-raped.

The post is almost on MSM fake news level if you take the official rape stats seriously.

I had a girlfriend who was raped, though it wasn't traumatic, because she was black-out-drunk. The perps got prison sentences and she was able to have a normal relationship, though she was a strange person anyway.

Post: #48

Two exes I found out later in the relationship had been raped. One at 16 when she passed out drunk at a party. The other one was raped by her maternal grandfather at age 7. Pretty fucked up. The former had zero hangups with sex and was actually a sweetheart non-feminist. The other ex was a bit of a feminist and that drove us apart after a while. That and our politics. But she had no hangups about sex either. Would I marry? Hard to say. As long as I knew she didn't hate all men and turn to hardcore feminism as a result I'd consider it.

Post: #49

Will bang for as long as possible if she is hot. Will never consider marriage.

Post: #50

To answer that question of the OP, depends on how much physiological damage she has before the rape occurs. Rape is loss of power and control for a women who have subjected to such an action. Its going to damage a person regardless of the mental fortitude that person has. We livid in the world where a lot of girls do not have proper family, rampart child abuse, or lack any support to developed into healthy female adults. Add in the toxic culture that RvF seem to fighting against, there is going to be an increase in the amount of girls that are going to break after a rape.